Daily review 26/10/2021

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    • I Feel Love 1.1
      26 October 2021 at 6:08 pm

      Def support from me. Was there anything about schools? Like students over 12? My 13 year old is double jabbed as is all but one in her class.

      • pat 1.1.1
        26 October 2021 at 6:28 pm

        Vaccine mandates getting more confused…and counter productive.

        • Sacha 1.1.1.1
          26 October 2021 at 7:06 pm

          There, there. What's confusing you?

          • pat 1.1.1.1.1
            26 October 2021 at 7:11 pm

            There , there…

            https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018817895/workplace-relations-minister-on-vaccine-mandate-expansion

            The Minister is unwilling to specify how the policy will apply, but you apparently know all the ins and outs….congratulations.

            • observer 1.1.1.1.1.1
              26 October 2021 at 7:39 pm

              I have just listened to that link and it seems perfectly clear. Wood talks about 3 groups: 1) those to whom it already applies (health, education), 2) those to whom today's announcement applies, and 3) those where it doesn't apply yet, but is not ruled out in future.

              It's a major change to employment rights and it has to be more nuanced than the "certainty" of a blanket ban, which then falls apart in court.

              • pat …
                26 October 2021 at 7:51 pm

                "Businesses who choose to use vaccine certificates will have far more freedom to operate than those who don’t. And those who don’t will likely not be assured of payments under the wage subsidy scheme at the lower traffic light settings."

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300436239/covid19-nz-government-sets-90-vaccine-target-to-move-to-trafficlight-system-with-no-national-lockdowns

                Operative word being 'choose'….a Claytons mandate, and full of ambiguity…hence the Ministers reluctance to be specific. The Gov are playing a silly buggers game..they are trying to push people to vaccinate with unspecified threats that they are unlikely to implemented when push comes to shove….this will likely come back to bite them on the arse, which is no less than they deserve.

                • observer …
                  26 October 2021 at 8:02 pm

                  You've linked to a story from 4 days ago, not in response to today's announcement, so you're not really discussing this in good faith.

                  Watch today's press conference (it's online). Many Qs answered.

                  • pat …
                    26 October 2021 at 8:06 pm

                    Todays press release is based on the business 'mandate' released some days ago…which you would know if you listened to the Minister on Checkpoint tonight….enough qualification to drive a bus through.

                    • weka …
                      26 October 2021 at 10:26 pm

                      I only caught it on the 6 o'clock news and I didn't really get it either. The passport is mandatory in some places, but in others it's up to the business owner? Does that mean the staff in the places that aren't enforcing the passport don't have to fire their unvaccinated staff?

              • Brigid …
                26 October 2021 at 8:41 pm

                Will it apply to private health clinics though? e.g. those that jab people with botox

    • Andre 1.2
      26 October 2021 at 6:11 pm

      Wimpy little baby step it may be, but at least it's in the right direction.

      We just need many many more of them to get to somewhere useful, and at one step a week it's gonna take a while.

    • Ad 1.3
      26 October 2021 at 6:17 pm

      Curious that Minister of Workplace Relations Michael Woodhouse is going quite gingerly through mandates of the public sector. On RNZ this afternoon specifically ruling out a full vaccine mandate for the entire public service, or, when pressed, for 'people facing' entities such as MSD, NZDF, Police, and the like.

      I find it hard to believe that simply going through every work category in New Zealand one by one is really simplifying much if you are a worker.

      Still, hairdressing!

      • Andre 1.3.1
        26 October 2021 at 6:23 pm

        Looks to me like it's trying to just slowly ramp up the heat.

        But if you want the frogs in the pot to actually jump, a big splash of the hot stuff all at once is probably more effective.

        • Sabine 1.3.1.1
          26 October 2021 at 6:47 pm

          Well a good place to start would be to make sure that ALL of the public service is vaccinated as a good example of good citizenry. But then well…….maybe tomorrow?

          • Andre 1.3.1.1.1
            26 October 2021 at 7:02 pm

            At current rates of progress, late November/early December.

          • Ed1 1.3.1.1.2
            26 October 2021 at 11:05 pm

            Some workers seldom need to go to an office – they can work from home and use the telephone or video conference. If someone in a remote location works for the public sector and does not need to be face to face – why require vaccination?

            Personally I believe such 'hermit' type cases will be rare, but is it reasonable to require it now? – should it be OK to exempt a worker until they go to a location where they can get vaccinated?

      • alwyn 1.3.2
        26 October 2021 at 6:24 pm

        Do you mean Michael Wood?

        Michael Woodhouse is a National MP.

      • Sabine 1.3.3
        26 October 2021 at 6:46 pm

        The Union of our 'public' service might be better then the union for hairdressers that only get paid if they cut hair?

    • observer 1.4
      26 October 2021 at 6:25 pm

      Ardern and Wood were impressive in the post-Cab. Clear communication, questions anticipated and answered, good grasp of detail. The ability to do this really matters, not just for party politics but to get the public on board.

      The contrast with Collins and Bishop earlier today is stark.

      (PS I’d recommend watching the press conference itself not just a media version thereof. Original source).

  2. Tricledrown 2
    26 October 2021 at 6:23 pm

    But Collins is saying that mandates shouldn't be compulsory.

    So maybe the National Party should pick up the hospital bill.

    So who is she trying to impress the anti vaxxers who will be the largest majority of the unvaccinated. Saying it will be divisive where is her logic .allowing a small minority to hold the majority to ransome. If unvaccinated people want to be included test's should be made available at a reasonable price to get regular tests .People with underlying health conditions who can't be vaccinated need to be provided free tests on a regular basis.

    • observer 2.1
      26 October 2021 at 6:32 pm

      Collins/National are all over the place on this. Politics 101: if you try to ride all the horses, you fall off. They are pleasing nobody, including their own supporters.

      Example: see the replies here, and not just from "lefties" …

      National tweet, and the people reply

      • Ngungukai 2.1.1
        26 October 2021 at 7:24 pm

        Collins is trying to have a $1.00 Each Way and also covering the Field. We don't know how this is going to play out. If we had Collins and Seymour running the country I am sure we would have had more casualties.

  3. observer 3
    26 October 2021 at 6:55 pm

    More people in Auckland have now been vaccinated (min 1st dose) than the 88% who said they would, less than a month ago:

    Herald poll (paywall)

    • Cricklewood 3.1
      26 October 2021 at 7:47 pm

      Getting a sub to jab for you costs about $500 going by facebook.

      Gotta love capitalism…

  4. Ngungukai 4
    26 October 2021 at 8:41 pm

    COVID allegedly leaked into Te Awamutu, Waikato by drug dealers according to the NZ Herald, probably took the back roads to avoid detection by the NZ Police. Unfortunately gangsters don't play by the rules even under Lockdown. You just can't win with these people they don't care about the harm and misery they cause other people.

  5. Ad 5
    26 October 2021 at 9:11 pm

    With Auckland's 1.7million people out of a total of 5 million streaking away in vaccination rates, we won't need to take any crap about being a JAFA when it's the fools in the rest of the North Island holding us back. Quicker they fully mandate domestic flights the better for us all.

    • Ngungukai 5.1
      26 October 2021 at 10:17 pm

      All we can do is get our vaccination rates up, follow the rules and hope for the best. The Government has to have some strategy otherwise we would be a Basket Case especially if Judith Collins and David Seymour were running the show.

  6. Graeme 6
    26 October 2021 at 10:02 pm

    For those that think international tourism is a recent phenomena, form (I presume) the Otago Witness 26/10/1921 (reprinted in today's ODT) https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/100-years-ago/good-year-tourism

    The direct revenue from the Tourist Department last year — £42,2l8 — was a record.

    There were a large number of visitors from America. The net expenditure was £93,720, compared with £68,858 the previous year. In most of the resorts the expenditure exceeds the revenue. The principal excesses are: Te Aroha, £1433; Rotorua, £7190; Hanmer Springs, £2779; Te Anau and Manapouri, £643; Queenstown, £448.

    The Mount Cook Hermitage paid its way all but £6; Waitomo Caves showed a profit of £2813. The report contains a plea for an expansion of the spa work in New Zealand. In all 963 people visited the Hermitage. Of these 424 came from the South Island, 168 from the North Island, and 371 from overseas.

    People from England, America, Australia, China, and other countries made the journey from Te Anau to Milford Sound, the number being easily a record. It was unfortunate that when the heavy rush of visitors set in the arrangement made for the opening of Mrs Sutherland's house and the use of her launches at Milford Sound was unable to be kept. This resulted in a certain amount of congestion at Christmas time, and disappointment to some who were unable to see the Sound. The department has completed arrangements for the supply of a large launch from the Bluff, which will be in commission next season, and will accommodate all comers.

    That profit of £42,2l8 is about $4 million in today's money according to the RBNZ inflation calculator. They all came by sea and there probably weren't that many by today's standard, but the ratio of domestic to international from the Hermitage figures is not that different to pre covid visitor mix (apart from the north / south figure) And Milford was congested at the peak season….

    • weka 6.1
      26 October 2021 at 10:20 pm

      Congesting is a state of mind apparently. Queenstown tourism mogul (unnamed) once said something like that Milford should be opened up for major development because it's already ruined. There's a big difference in congestion at Mrs Sutherland's house, and 1,000,000 visitors per year.

      The big push for industrial tourism started in the 80s. It's gone way too far. So many people in the high tourism areas know that it's wrong, but there is little leadership out of the mess.

      • Graeme 6.1.1
        26 October 2021 at 10:43 pm

        The thing was that then it was profitable on very small numbers, and correspondingly high value visitors. It was a very high end industry in the '20's, probably the equivalent to the current top level operations. Queenstown was also every bit as wild as today, just on a smaller scale.

        But agree we lost a lot when Government mandated a volume over value focus in 80's and that on steroids from 2008. We'll see what happens as we come through the current situation, but those interests are trying hard to get it all back again.

  7. Pete 7
    26 October 2021 at 10:45 pm

    Hīkoi from Rotorua to Northland.

    I'm sure sane Northlanders don't want these mongrels in Northland.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-police-condemn-hikoi-from-rotorua-to-northland/3QVLPP3MHBSQAWSRV44HP6FXR4/

    • Pete 7.1
      26 October 2021 at 11:03 pm

      The big time organiser of the big time event from August last year:

      "And you think we are gonna stand bye up here in TE TAI TOKERAU and let this MUPPET of a GOVERNMENT back in for another term! YOUR A JOKE with your so called news report. NZPP and BILLY TE KAHIKA along with ADVANCE NZ and JAIME LEE ROSS……..huhARE MOST DEFINITELY GONNA WIN IN TE TAI TOKERAU!"

      https://thespinoff.substack.com/p/the-rapid-rise-to-prominence-of-billy/comments

      And more:

      “Chocky Hereora real name Carlene Hereora posted a dangerous video falsely accusing a school and their principal of covid testing an 8 year old. The vile video full of lies is still on it's fb page. It's no coincidence that Carlene and Karen Brewer are known to each other and both engage in false accusations against people or institutions their delusional minds invent as dangerous to children. Currently Carlene's video has recieved 343 reactions and 600 yes 600 shares!!!!! THAT IS INSANE!!!!!! She is trying to incite communities against their schools and their teachers. The school is innocent and the principal is innocent. DCA stands by schools trying to do their job the best they can in spite of this vile rubbish. Damien control your friends!!!!!"

    • Pete 7.2
      26 October 2021 at 11:09 pm

      The big time organiser of the big time event from August last year:

      "And you think we are gonna stand bye up here in TE TAI TOKERAU and let this MUPPET of a GOVERNMENT back in for another term! YOUR A JOKE with your so called news report. NZPP and BILLY TE KAHIKA along with ADVANCE NZ and JAIME LEE ROSS……..huhARE MOST DEFINITELY GONNA WIN IN TE TAI TOKERAU!"

      https://thespinoff.substack.com/p/the-rapid-rise-to-prominence-of-billy/comments

      And more:

      "Chocky Hereora real name Carlene Hereora posted a dangerous video falsely accusing a school and their principal of covid testing an 8 year old. The vile video full of lies is still on it's fb page. It's no coincidence that Carlene and Karen Brewer are known to each other and both engage in false accusations against people or institutions their delusional minds invent as dangerous to children. Currently Carlene's video has recieved 343 reactions and 600 yes 600 shares!!!!! THAT IS INSANE!!!!!! She is trying to incite communities against their schools and their teachers. The school is innocent and the principal is innocent. DCA stands by schools trying to do their job the best they can in spite of this vile rubbish. Damien control your friends!!!!!"

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