Daily Review 26/04/2017

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1. Muttonbird 1

   26 April 2017 at 6:58 pm

   Poor old Mike Bush. Not 10 days after he re-enforced his intolerance for people with mental health challenges, one of his own no doubt mentally sound troops murders his own wife.

   The timing for Mike could not be worse. Him pretending his policy maintains a ‘strong, robust, and safe’ police workforce, when the opposite now turns out to be true.

   Perhaps this particular cop might have benefitted from some antidepressant medication, Mike.

   Perhaps Mike might like to review the policy of recruiting 35 year olds into the police as, in my opinion, anyone who joins the police at 35 has done so because of existing career problems and has done so as a last resort. Anyone who joins the police at 35 has a high risk of mental health problems of one sort or another, I would have thought.

   Mike Bush though won’t admit that, nor allow them to get treatment which might help them be good cops.
   • Gosman 1.1

     26 April 2017 at 7:39 pm

     Are you a trained psychologist with experience in policing?
     • Muttonbird 1.1.1

       26 April 2017 at 8:05 pm

       No. I’m just an observer who took issue with Mike Bush’s policy of bashing people with any history of mental health challenges.

       I also know this killer cop joined the police at the age of 35 and that that is a red flag for risk as much as, if not more than, someone who might have had a course of prozac in the past.
       • Gosman 1.1.1.1

         26 April 2017 at 8:54 pm

         Do you have any evidence for that opinion (e.g. statistics which suggest çops joining the first after 35 have a proportinate higher rate of social issues)?
         • Muttonbird 1.1.1.1.1

           26 April 2017 at 9:06 pm

           I do. Constable Ben McLean, 47.
           • Gosman 1.1.1.1.1.1

             26 April 2017 at 9:08 pm

             That is anecdotal not statistical.
   • marty mars 1.2

     26 April 2017 at 7:51 pm

     Using one example to prove or put a case is just the same as what they did when they said no to police with mental health challenges (nice descriptor). I agree that actually those seeking help for their mental health challenges, including ongoing med management, are better able to deal with stresses in general or on average.

     This case may be related to mental health challenges or not – who knows at this stage – but whipping the police with it is premature and wrong imo.
     • Muttonbird 1.2.1

       26 April 2017 at 8:01 pm

       I find the stance by Mike Bush that his cops are above reproach because of his banning of anyone with a mental health issue to be misguided and totally ignorant of the roles people with mental health conditions place in a health society.

       With his stance he has marginalised the very groups of people he is supposed to protect while his supposed mentally sound new cops murder their wives…
       • marty mars 1.2.1.1

         26 April 2017 at 8:04 pm

         I agree with you mate I really do – I just am a bit overwhelmed with emotion on the events from down south – so terrible, so much pain and suffering.
2. Muttonbird 2

   26 April 2017 at 7:06 pm

   What a weird world David Farrar and other government pimps live in. They claim the reason for such high immigration numbers is that Kiwis are not leaving.

   Newsflash, numbnuts – Kiwis not leaving New Zealand is not immigration, they are already here.
   • Gosman 2.1

     26 April 2017 at 7:36 pm

     I think you will find it is net immigration they are discussing.
     • Muttonbird 2.1.1

       26 April 2017 at 7:40 pm

       I know what they are pretending to discuss – it’s net migration in fact, but the spin from them is that the reason for the pressure is New Zealanders not leaving and that they are the ones at fault. This is a lie.
       • Gosman 2.1.1.1

         26 April 2017 at 8:57 pm

         Fair enough – net migration. Do you disagree that total number of emigrants from NZ is now very low historically?
         • Muttonbird 2.1.1.1.1

           26 April 2017 at 9:02 pm

           No I don’t. All the more reason to monitor and control the prospective immigrants to NZ relative to demands on infrastructure and housing.

           Like I said, it’s not that New Zealanders are not leaving which is the problem, it’s that despite this, immigration policy has only been more open tap.
           • Gosman 2.1.1.1.1.1

             26 April 2017 at 9:04 pm

             Quite possibly accurate, although I disagree. However you must at least give the current government credit for turning around emigration.
             • Muttonbird …

               26 April 2017 at 9:17 pm

               I don’t give them credit for that because of the cost paid for it.

               Declining water quality. The sidelining of planning and science on dairy intensification. Increasing homelessness. Families living in cars. House un-affordability. Decrease in home ownership. Increase in suicide stats and Maori prison population. A peak in domestic violence stats. Congestion in Auckland and Wellington. Continued fighting with councils instead of working with them. A continuation of low wages. I could go on…

               That fewer working people moved to Australia because of increased restrictions against them there and the slow down in Chinese demand of Australian iron ore can hardly be credited to the current government.
               • Gosman …

                 27 April 2017 at 1:56 am

                 Suicide and domestic violence statistics are not increasing or peaking.
                 • Draco T Bastard …

                   27 April 2017 at 12:07 pm

                   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11731394
                   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/83058580/Increasing-family-violence-cases-are-New-Zealands-dirty-little-secret-police-say

                   As I’m pretty sure you’re aware of both of those as I am as it’s been mentioned many times both here and across the MSM that would make you just another liar.
             • Draco T Bastard …

               26 April 2017 at 11:47 pm

               However you must at least give the current government credit for turning around emigration.

               No, for that we’d probably have to give Australia credit as they clamped down on NZers living there and kicked many of them out.

               And then there’s the effect of the GFC as well. Other countries economies have been stumbling along since then and so and so some NZers would be returning home because of that as well.

               The only thing that this government has done for immigration is open the flood gates for anyone who wants to immigrate.
               • ropata …

                 27 April 2017 at 12:28 am

                 Correct DTB the government has basically been running a “visas for education” scam, so that tertiary providers can make a killing, bankers get a cut, wages are driven down, and house prices go through the roof as the foreign student gets residency and imports their whole family
   • Gosman 2.2

     26 April 2017 at 7:37 pm

     This is something National promised to reverse in 2008. Seemsime they were successful.
     • mickysavage 2.2.1

       26 April 2017 at 7:50 pm

       The Global financial crisis and the environmental crisis the world is facing is playing its own part …
       • Muttonbird 2.2.1.1

         26 April 2017 at 8:13 pm

         Yes, the immigration policies of the two countries AUS and NZ alone have had a big effect. Conditions for Kiwis over there are not good right now so they don’t go. We have an open door policy for cheap foreign labour to prop up a false, low wage and low value economy and immigration is high.
       • Gosman 2.2.1.2

         26 April 2017 at 8:59 pm

         The GFC was around 10 years ago. What countries have been influenced by climate change to the extent it is putting off NZers going there (example please)?
         • mickysavage 2.2.1.2.1

           26 April 2017 at 9:29 pm

           Syria … tore the country apart …

           And talk to all Pacific Island states …
           • Gosman 2.2.1.2.1.1

             27 April 2017 at 1:57 am

             Yes lots of Kiwis were emmigrating to Syria before /sarc
   • Poission 2.3

     27 April 2017 at 2:35 am

     Farrar is full of shit again.

     There was a net loss of 1341 New Zealand citizens over the 12 months, with 31,995 New Zealanders arriving back on the country after long term stays overseas, while 33,336 departed long term.

     Always check his statistics as his analysis is usually inept.
     • Gosman 2.3.1

       27 April 2017 at 3:56 am

       What part is ‘full of shit’ and how does that detract from his point about having very low net outflow of NZERS.
3. Muttonbird 3

   26 April 2017 at 7:31 pm

   Go Winston. There is a lot of misinformation around record immigration numbers from interested parties – namely employers of cheap labour, and recent immigrants who have residency and want to get the rest of their huge families in.

   Winston is pretty bold here, and vocal, and might pick up a lot of votes on this, an issue which the government has developed tin-ear.

   http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/04/winston-peters-slams-immigrant-reporters.html
   • marty mars 3.1

     26 April 2017 at 7:46 pm

     winnie is a dirty prick with dirty politics and dirty agendas. The sooner he fucks off out of politics the better imo.
     • The decrypter 3.1.1

       26 April 2017 at 7:56 pm

       Like key did?
       • marty mars 3.1.1.1

         26 April 2017 at 8:04 pm

         key who?
         • garibaldi 3.1.1.1.1

           26 April 2017 at 8:16 pm

           Yeah, let’s all vote for the NZF warmongers! (ref. TDB today)
           • Muttonbird 3.1.1.1.1.1

             26 April 2017 at 8:21 pm

             TDB is down at the moment. How do they claim the the child in the video is a NZF supporter? Does he say that in the video?
             • Gosman …

               26 April 2017 at 9:07 pm

               He’s the son of the Chief of staff for the party I believe l. Although I also agree he is too young to be politically labeled.
         • The decrypter 3.1.1.1.2

           26 April 2017 at 8:17 pm

           Sorry, meant Max’s father.
           • marty mars 3.1.1.1.2.1

             26 April 2017 at 8:25 pm

             lol
   • ropata 3.2

     27 April 2017 at 12:24 am

     Finely tuned political instincts, this is THE issue of the election. National has lost control… Winston may be populist but he was also right. Mike Treen of TDB writes

     Migrant labour sytem is broken and needs radical change not tinkering
     We have 150,000 workers here at any one time on a temporary work visa. We have 100,000 fee-paying students. The government issues 250,000 temporary work visas a year.

     We have been issuing around 40,000 permanent residence visas a year for the last several decades. Changes to how people qualify for these visas under the skilled work category makes no fundamental difference to the temporary visa scam.

     Immigration has become a political hot potato and the government is desperate to be seen to be doing something without changing the fundamentals.
4. marty mars 4

   26 April 2017 at 7:54 pm

   btw – not funny cartoon showing violence against teens and younger relatives.
   • ropata 4.1

     26 April 2017 at 8:31 pm

     Then you have 0 sense of humour. Batman and Robin are fictional, fyi.
     • marty mars 4.1.1

       26 April 2017 at 9:01 pm

       ha methinks it is YOU without a sense of humor – fictional? ffs what next
5. Muttonbird 5

   26 April 2017 at 8:59 pm

   Funny how the cops and the media keep pushing the fact the killer cop was off duty at the time of the murder. If you’re a cop, you’re a cop no matter what time of day or night, surely.

   Or are they borrowing from John Key’s, ‘I was leader of the National Party when I pulled those ponytails’, strategy?

   Does this cop become less of a cop when he is off duty? How many other NZ cops when off duty are as psychotic and murderous as this? Only Mike Bush knows for sure.
6. peterlepaysan 6

   27 April 2017 at 9:42 pm

   Ageism has long been alive and well in this country.
   At what age should the police recruit at at?
   What age is safe from mental health issues?

   I have young relative (now aged 15) who was approached , aged 14, to join a professional overseas ball playing club. We all told the recruiter what we thought.
   My relative is still safe and still at school in NZ. Still safe from professional ball player mental health issues.

   Your opinion of the age someone makes a career shift is your opinion that has no bearing on the very real tragedy that occurred in Invercargill.

   Would Muttonbird have posted if the killer had been a bank teller.

   This is an anti police rant.

   Obtw I have had more than one encounter with the nz police (not always friendly).

   I view all power wielders with some scepticism But put blame on the the police for the tragedy speaks volumes about muttonbird.
   • Muttonbird 6.1

     27 April 2017 at 9:55 pm

     I don’t think the set up of the police in New Zealand under the current commissioner is any good. They are reckless bullies in my opinion and I don’t think they can get good young people to join. Also the vetting process for older recruits leaves something to be desired and you can ask Verity McLean’s family about that. Particularly as no one with a history of mental health challenges is even considered according to the current commissioner. As if he is a mental health expert.

     Lets face it, he’s not!

     Oh and by the way, I’m not putting the blame on ordinary, reasonable cops, I’m questioning the power structure within the police and the way they produce bullies and allow psychopathic killers into their ranks.

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