Daily Review 28/08/2018

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1. adam 1

   28 August 2018 at 5:52 pm

   Mooo
   • corodale 1.1

     28 August 2018 at 11:03 pm

     That sweet heifer is on the money.
     Good if the task force green can come up with organic grow tents to feed the dairy workers through the winter.
2. joe90 2

   28 August 2018 at 6:06 pm
3. joe90 3

   28 August 2018 at 6:08 pm

   Nope, I ain’t eatin’ no stinkin’ broccoli!

   https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dlocr9-UUAA6tHA.jpg
   • ianmac 3.1

     28 August 2018 at 9:58 pm

     Hoots joe. So apt.
   • joe90 3.2

     29 August 2018 at 12:55 pm

     Updated.

     https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DltXdjMUcAANJKe.jpg
     • Macro 3.2.1

       29 August 2018 at 1:16 pm

       hehehe
       And he is like a 3 year old – constantly throwing tantrums.
       Of his latest whinge – “google doesn’t like me” – maybe – just maybe – all the negative press is because he is such a crap president.
       What other “leader of the free world” gets banned from 2 funerals and a wedding?
4. AsleepWhileWalking 4

   28 August 2018 at 6:59 pm

   Americans are bombarded with chemicals in water, prescription drugs/vaccines, and bad food. All those drugs dumb the population down but are probably the only reason certain States have not yet devolved into civil war.
   • McFlock 4.1

     28 August 2018 at 8:57 pm

     So… thank goodness we have lizard overlords, then? Lack of civil war is a good thing, right?
     • corodale 4.1.1

       28 August 2018 at 11:06 pm

       We’re only suggesting to conscription of school leavers for a year, with the chance of a second year in exchange within ASEAN.
       • McFlock 4.1.1.1

         29 August 2018 at 12:27 am

         But only to defend peaceful and healthy people against the unfluoridated, who resort to violence much more quickly than the subjects of our great lizard king.
         • corodale 4.1.1.1.1

           29 August 2018 at 6:07 am

           They can live in tents, it will reduce demand on housing, that’s the trump card.
           • McFlock 4.1.1.1.1.1

             29 August 2018 at 1:11 pm

             Don’t you know that the next stage of the plan is to give everyone houses or apartments? Makes them easier to find when the lizards want food, and of course plumbing lets you pipe the pacification meds straight into their homes. Socialism is lizard-dominion by stealth!
5. Herodotus 5

   28 August 2018 at 7:15 pm

   If you wonder why teacher tomorrow are wearing black, it may have something to do to those so called valued primary teachers pay negotiations have broken down.
   Thank you Jan Logie, Chris Hipkins and the other MP’s in Govt , sounding off their support for teachers demands but giving what ??? 2.1%.
   And under National over 9 years they received 17% isn’t that almost 2% p.a. ??
   The actions speaker louder than words
   https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=202177
   https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/q-and-a/clips/q-a-with-chris-hipkins
   • Bill 5.1

     28 August 2018 at 9:36 pm

     Somewhere, I flicked past a headline suggesting that mid-wives are well pissed off too.

     “Fiscal responsibility” – gotta love it. 🙂
     • The Chairman 5.1.1

       29 August 2018 at 11:21 am

       “‘Fiscal responsibility’ – gotta love it”

       Yep.

       Failing to get on top of issues tends to lead to them worsening, thus will result in them becoming more difficult and more expensive to correct moving forward. As after nine years of being govern by National has largely shown.

       Yet, when Labour do/offer similar, they class this as being fiscally responsible. Go figure?
6. joe90 6

   28 August 2018 at 8:07 pm

   So, a Kenyan dude tweeted “The land in South Africa belongs to black people they are the native owner and not white people.”

   Actually, the Dutch (Afrikaners) we’re there first. https://t.co/2VXiZcpFMx— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) August 24, 2018
   • In Vino 6.1

     28 August 2018 at 8:15 pm

     Joe – unless you’re an Afrikaner, you mean “were”, not “we’re”.
     • joe90 6.1.1

       28 August 2018 at 8:21 pm

       Whoever financed Coulter’s degrees in art, history and law must be disappointed.
       • In Vino 6.1.1.1

         28 August 2018 at 9:45 pm

         Unless they were also the proof-readers.. lol
         Or were they Afrikaners too?
   • Muttonbird 6.2

     28 August 2018 at 8:49 pm

     God, that was an ugly thing to read.
7. adam 7

   28 August 2018 at 8:21 pm

   Ah liberalism is such a great economic model. Gangs, a legit outlet within the broken economic model dominating society.

   Have to say the Granny is quite upset that people see gangs as a refuge from the economic terrorism that is the daily occurrence for too many kiwis with this broken economy.

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12114101&ref=CE-NZH-TOPSTORIES-EDM
   • joe90 7.1

     28 August 2018 at 8:37 pm

     Refuge from economic terrorism my arse.

     They’re a refuge for the parasites who choose to rob, bludge off, and terrorise ordinary folk in one of the most deprived communities in the country who do their very best for their families.
     • Bill 7.1.1

       28 August 2018 at 9:29 pm

       They’re a refuge for….

       A bit like bankers and financiers throwing their lot in with various “esteemed” institutions then? Which, let’s face it, is the wiser and far more effective route to take (in terms of self preservation and institutional protection) in a world given over to the snarling rabid dog mentality of liberal capitalism.

       Hmm. Except the poor and the disadvantaged, done over and terrorised are meant to meekly accept their place in the world, or in the scheme of things, and simply soldier on, nobly doing their best within an all pervasive economic culture that’s hard set against them and theirs.

       Meh. Some join gangs – and in many ways simply act out a parody of the very shit that fucked their lives in the first place.

       Not flash.

       But until middle class fucks give up their role as capitalism’s “house nigger”, the lack of other options for “the rest”, means that bullshit gang culture will remain as a reasonable, viable, and sometimes sole option for some.
       • marty mars 7.1.1.1

         28 August 2018 at 10:18 pm

         “In New York City, civil rights activist Rev Al Sharpton addressed the issue in his Saturday sermon.

         “Bill Maher decided to get on television last night and sanitize and normalize the N-word,” Sharpton said. “Just because Bill Maher is liberal and our friend, you don’t give him a pass … you never get the right to use that term.” ”

         https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jun/03/bill-maher-hbo-real-time-ben-sasse

         Worth thinking about imo
         • adam 7.1.1.1.1

           28 August 2018 at 11:40 pm

           You need some context of why the term was used marty mars.

           Malcolm describes the difference between the “house Negro” and the “field Negro.”
           Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan. 23 January 1963.
           Transcribed text from audio excerpt. [read entire speech]

           So you have two types of Negro. The old type and the new type. Most of you know the old type. When you read about him in history during slavery he was called “Uncle Tom.” He was the house Negro. And during slavery you had two Negroes. You had the house Negro and the field Negro.

           The house Negro usually lived close to his master. He dressed like his master. He wore his master’s second-hand clothes. He ate food that his master left on the table. And he lived in his master’s house–probably in the basement or the attic–but he still lived in the master’s house.

           So whenever that house Negro identified himself, he always identified himself in the same sense that his master identified himself. When his master said, “We have good food,” the house Negro would say, “Yes, we have plenty of good food.” “We” have plenty of good food. When the master said that “we have a fine home here,” the house Negro said, “Yes, we have a fine home here.” When the master would be sick, the house Negro identified himself so much with his master he’d say, “What’s the matter boss, we sick?” His master’s pain was his pain. And it hurt him more for his master to be sick than for him to be sick himself. When the house started burning down, that type of Negro would fight harder to put the master’s house out than the master himself would.

           But then you had another Negro out in the field. The house Negro was in the minority. The masses–the field Negroes were the masses. They were in the majority. When the master got sick, they prayed that he’d die. [Laughter] If his house caught on fire, they’d pray for a wind to come along and fan the breeze.

           If someone came to the house Negro and said, “Let’s go, let’s separate,” naturally that Uncle Tom would say, “Go where? What could I do without boss? Where would I live? How would I dress? Who would look out for me?” That’s the house Negro. But if you went to the field Negro and said, “Let’s go, let’s separate,” he wouldn’t even ask you where or how. He’d say, “Yes, let’s go.” And that one ended right there.

           So now you have a twentieth-century-type of house Negro. A twentieth-century Uncle Tom. He’s just as much an Uncle Tom today as Uncle Tom was 100 and 200 years ago. Only he’s a modern Uncle Tom. That Uncle Tom wore a handkerchief around his head. This Uncle Tom wears a top hat. He’s sharp. He dresses just like you do. He speaks the same phraseology, the same language. He tries to speak it better than you do. He speaks with the same accents, same diction. And when you say, “your army,” he says, “our army.” He hasn’t got anybody to defend him, but anytime you say “we” he says “we.” “Our president,” “our government,” “our Senate,” “our congressmen,” “our this and our that.” And he hasn’t even got a seat in that “our” even at the end of the line. So this is the twentieth-century Negro. Whenever you say “you,” the personal pronoun in the singular or in the plural, he uses it right along with you. When you say you’re in trouble, he says, “Yes, we’re in trouble.”

           But there’s another kind of Black man on the scene. If you say you’re in trouble, he says, “Yes, you’re in trouble.” [Laughter] He doesn’t identify himself with your plight whatsoever.
           • adam 7.1.1.1.1.1

             28 August 2018 at 11:41 pm

             http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/mxp/speeches/mxa17.htm
           • McFlock 7.1.1.1.1.2

             29 August 2018 at 12:32 am

             yet you managed to write all that without dropping the n-bomb.
             • adam …

               29 August 2018 at 1:20 am

               And you didn’t read it, obviously.
               • McFlock …

                 29 August 2018 at 1:08 pm

                 I’d read that speech years before you posted it, fucko. It’s hardly a secret.
                 • adam …

                   30 August 2018 at 2:10 pm

                   Woohoo more personal abuse from an angry little man. Get a blow job or somthing mate, you need it.
                   • McFlock …

                     30 August 2018 at 2:20 pm

                     Thanks for the offer, but I’d rather you tell everyone more about “context” that we obviously do not know or have not read.

                     For example, I have heard about slavery in America, did that cause problems as the industrial revolution progressed? If they weren’t cool with it, why did Africans land on Plymouth Rock? Why do so many cities in the USA seem to have streets named after protestant monarchs? Please, educate us poor peons with your powers of cut&paste, oh great one.
                   • adam …

                     30 August 2018 at 4:23 pm

                     The strawman hero strikes again.

                     Anything else you’d like to make up so you can knock it down?

                     Like your sex life – sure you could do a strawman on that topic for hours.
                   • McFlock …

                     30 August 2018 at 4:53 pm

                     Did the thought ever occur to you that people objecting to the use of the N-word by people without the cultural cache to use it were actually well aware of the house slave/field slave comparison, and had even read the speech, but still object to the use of that word by people who could never experience the full effect of being subjectified by it?

                     Or did you just assume that once you cut&pasted one of the most famous speeches from the period, people would accept that it was a perfectly apt description of the plight of the middle classes (because your average middle class affluence is totes like slavery)?

                     Or are you so thick that you genuinely thought you were contributing a rare piece of knowledge for the edification of others, when from another perspective it simply looked like a patronising distraction from the point?
                   • adam …

                     30 August 2018 at 8:53 pm

                     “when from another perspective it simply looked like a patronising distraction from the point?”

                     The irony is priceless.
                   • McFlock …

                     30 August 2018 at 9:19 pm

                     They weren’t rhetorical questions.
                   • adam …

                     30 August 2018 at 10:48 pm

                     As I said,

                     priceless.
                   • McFlock …

                     30 August 2018 at 10:59 pm

                     What you said was worthless.
                   • adam …

                     31 August 2018 at 1:01 am

                     Only worthless to smug self indulgent middle class tossers, but hey…
                   • McFlock …

                     31 August 2018 at 1:13 am

                     Well maybe someone will drink your watery piss and call it “wine”, then. Good luck with that. Keep looking.
                   • adam …

                     31 August 2018 at 3:38 am

                     Strawman, strawman it’s all you got. Making up stuff to make yourself feel better. Poor wee thing.
                   • McFlock …

                     31 August 2018 at 2:09 pm

                     How are my last few comments in this thread “straw man” arguments? Do you even know what the term means?

                     A straw man argument is a misrepresentation of an opposing argument that is easier to rebut than the actual opposing argument. Calling your arguments “watery piss” is not a straw man argument. Therefore I also do more that create “straw man” arguments. Although most of the time that someone accuses me of creating straw men, all I’ve done is write their original words back at them – so, whatevs.
                   • adam …

                     31 August 2018 at 10:37 pm

                     I’m calling BS, you do strawman on a all too regular basis.

                     https://thestandard.org.nz/australia-bans-manning-but-lets-in-au-pair-for-rich-liberal-donors/#comment-1519390
                   • McFlock …

                     31 August 2018 at 11:50 pm

                     Focus, dude. You literally wrote “Strawman, strawman it’s all you got.” Not that I merely do it “on a all too regular basis. ” Personally, I think that I merely directly quote the key elements of someone’s stupid comments, and they get all pissy and accuse me of straw-manning rather than actually pointing out the all-important qualification that makes their previous statement insightful and accurate. But that’s merely by-the-by.

                     But I can also, call you either a “stupid moron” or a “patronising shitheel” for suggesting that a commenter with the commenting record of Marty Mars had never heard of Malcolm X or that particular speech (is that not what you meant by “you need some context” before cut&pasting the speech? Surely he would only “need” that if he had never read or heard it before, as if it was already in his memory he would already have it). Would that be a “straw man”?

                     Maybe your head’s too far up your arse to bother reading other people’s comments properly. But yes, I can do things other than quote people’s words back at them and thereby be accused of strawmanning them.
                   • adam …

                     2 September 2018 at 4:50 am

                     When he accused Bill of using house negro in the same context as Maher he was wrong imho. So begs the question did you actually read marty mars comment? Because Bill was not being self deprecating, and he was definitely not using the term to describe race in any way.

                     As for your usual b.s sideshow make shit up attempt, I do read comments. By the way, you saying people should react and think the same as you, is truly quite odd assertion to make. Or was it your usual way to get some more abuse in, so you can feel better about yourself?
                   • marty mars …

                     2 September 2018 at 7:48 am

                     bill didn’t use ‘house negro’ – THAT was the problem. You went off down the road and didn’t actually read what my original comment said because you then proceeded to quote irrelevant bits back to me. as McFlock says I am more than aware of the term house negro, where it comes from, who gets to use it and who doesn’t.

                     my quote ““Bill Maher decided to get on television last night and sanitize and normalize the N-word,” Sharpton said. “Just because Bill Maher is liberal and our friend, you don’t give him a pass … you never get the right to use that term.” ””

                     The N word is NOT negro!!!

                     btw – my response to bill and initially you was respectful – go and reread. You dropped the tone with an angry young man impression.
                   • adam …

                     3 September 2018 at 9:25 am

                     In the context of race I agree with you. In the realms of class I think you can use the word. Bill made a comment in relationship to class, not race.

                     BTW

                     Your delusional if you think I abused you first. ie: ” and try either putting a point or shutting up” just to quote you. And then the classic full on abuse from you because you can’t control your rage.
                     “You’re a turd mate. Get fucked you sad shitface.”

                     What abuse did I throw at you – Oh yeah that right.

                     “Are you writing off 1% of the population with a long history.

                     Here is summer happy song, from one of those 1%”

                     Yeah I really abused you there…
                   • McFlock …

                     3 September 2018 at 9:54 am

                     That word only has one context. And it ain’t class.
                   • marty mars …

                     3 September 2018 at 10:28 am

                     No Adam. I thanked you for your comment and in your next comment you attacked me by saying “are you writing off the 1% etc” and put a fucking video of a song up, I then started to get pissed off. YOU or bill DON’T get to change the context of that word. Try eating humble pie bud – take 2 fucken slices.
                   • adam …

                     13 September 2018 at 3:25 pm

                     So you got angry and threw out abuse. Good to see you can’t think of another response.

                     As I said, at least you’re constantly narcissistic marty mars.
                   • marty mars …

                     13 September 2018 at 3:33 pm

                     Lol what a jerk.
           • marty mars 7.1.1.1.1.3

             29 August 2018 at 7:28 am

             I know the context thanks Adam. Bill ain’t Malcolm x and no Scotsman or any other non person of colour is justified imo in using that term. Use negro like Malcolm did.
             • Bill …

               29 August 2018 at 10:36 am

               I get your point marty, but the term’s is the only descriptor of that particular political relationship I’m aware of. If you or anyone else has such a universally understood term that could be used in its stead, then I’ll happily use it.

               There’s a Spanish term that describes the exact same relationship (the favoured peasant being given privilege – and yes, it was a house and a plot – and ‘tasked’ with keeping the rest in line), but I don’t recall what it is, and very much doubt anyone else in the English speaking world would be familiar with the term.

               edit – and using an odious term to describe something that’s odious (though usually veiled or hidden by ‘polite society’ and its norms) is apt
               • McFlock …

                 29 August 2018 at 1:11 pm

                 “slave”?
               • marty mars …

                 29 August 2018 at 4:15 pm

                 try negro – it’s not that hard if you really try. Malcom x could do it and so can you bill.
             • adam …

               29 August 2018 at 11:58 am

               Are you writing off 1% of the population with a long history.

               Here is summer happy song, from one of those 1%
               • marty mars …

                 29 August 2018 at 4:14 pm

                 try reading – and try either putting a point or shutting up cos I can’t understand your wee digs.
                 • adam …

                   30 August 2018 at 2:16 pm

                   What don’t you understand, I thought I hit you with a sledgehammer of blindly obvious. You keep saying you understand when things are said, then this comment from you makes me think you don’t.

                   p.s. great job at a derail – the right wing trolls here will be loving your style. You always derail economic discussions, is that becasue you’re now completely in bed with liberalism?
                   • marty mars …

                     30 August 2018 at 2:26 pm

                     You’re a turd mate. Get fucked you sad shitface.
                   • adam …

                     30 August 2018 at 4:00 pm

                     Get a life marty mars. Your personal attacks are getting out of hand.
                   • marty mars …

                     30 August 2018 at 4:09 pm

                     Your little digs are tedious as are you. Build a bridge buddy you don’t fool me 😁
                   • adam …

                     30 August 2018 at 4:19 pm

                     Your relation to reality is slipping marty mars.

                     To little a dig, let me put it this way then, you struggle to take responsibility for your actions when you get abusive to anyone who disagrees with you.

                     Then you couple it at some point with an apology. Which are official now a bad joke, because you keep repeating your behaviour.

                     Too soon.
                   • marty mars …

                     30 August 2018 at 4:27 pm

                     Lol cry me a river sad arse
                   • adam …

                     30 August 2018 at 8:51 pm

                     True to form.

                     Well at least you’re a constantly narcissistic.
8. Fireblade 8

   28 August 2018 at 9:01 pm

   The National Party has engaged the services of PWC and Simpson Grierson to lead their investigation into the leak. The investigation will be funded by the National Leader’s Office (funded by the taxpayer). Simon Bridges said he’s unsure wheather the investigation’s findings will be made public.

   So Simon’s spending more taxpayer money to investigate the leak of his high traval expenses and if the investigation findings aren’t convenient for him, they won’t be made public!

   FFS Simon YCMTSU
   • ianmac 8.1

     28 August 2018 at 10:04 pm

     If he says they found the culprit what else will he say?
     It was a Nat MP?
     It was not a Nat MP?
     It was/was not a Staffer?
     Not telling?
     We will just have to guess but I bet if it was someone outside Nats he will certainly say so?
     Leaders/taxpayer money? Naughty boy!
   • Muttonbird 8.2

     28 August 2018 at 10:46 pm

     Remember Key used the PM’s budget to pay off the woman Bill English sent hundreds of texts to. The same woman, a National Party employee, Todd Barclay tried to bully.

     That was an employment matter for the National Party yet Key used taxpayer money to silence the victim.

     And here the massive expenses leak is also a National Party matter and Bridges is determined to use taxpayer money in the form of the Opposition Leader’s budget to confirm what the entire Wellington set already know.

     What a grubby bunch of corrupt, born-to-rule troughers the Nats are.
9. Ed 9

   28 August 2018 at 9:14 pm

   New Zealand needs proper tenancy laws.
   To prevent this awfulness.

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12114555
10. joe90 10

    28 August 2018 at 9:36 pm

    Oh dear.

    Tina Ngata graphed what 1080 opponents thought was "the real agenda" behind 1080 use. Didn't know it was the cause of kauri dieback, did you? pic.twitter.com/xC4ALd0rEP— Naomi Arnold (@NaomiArnold) August 28, 2018

    https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/14d9709b-4b81-44ab-a2ea-ed6067838f57.png
11. Cynical Jester 11

    29 August 2018 at 1:29 am

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106620364/national-wants-chelsea-manning-barred-from-new-zealand weren’t national the champions of free speech last month?

    I guess they don’t like her cos she exposes governments instead of scapegoating minorities
12. Ed 12

    30 August 2018 at 9:02 pm

    Professor Stuns MSNBC Panel On Syria
    • joe90 12.1

      30 August 2018 at 9:15 pm

      Posting dated video of a third rate comic in a dead thread doesn’t mean Assad isn’t a murderous despot.
      • corodale 12.1.1

        31 August 2018 at 7:37 am

        Sometimes the best we can do is simply eat our greens and drink our milk.

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