Election autopsies

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1. Angel Fish 1

   13 November 2017 at 12:56 pm

   It’s astonishing that she might still be potentially considered as a candidate for the next election. Someone that lost to Trump shouldn’t get a second chance.
   But that said, there is no doubt that democrat voters are to be blamed for the most part. Bernie Sanders didn’t lose by a small margin, he got utterly thrashed by Hillary Clinton! I don’t think the fraudulent tactics alone can explain that difference.
   • james 1.1

     13 November 2017 at 2:59 pm

     “he got utterly thrashed by Hillary Clinton!”

     You’re wrong. He closed an enormous gap, in spite of the shenanigans and being ignored and trashed by the MSM for most of the primary.
2. Puckish Rogue 2

   13 November 2017 at 2:02 pm

   She lost to Obama, lost to Trump and i wouldn’t be at all surprised if Clinton was Trumps preferred choice
3. Matthew Whitehead 3

   13 November 2017 at 2:55 pm

   Regarding the comment around National’s progress with the LGBT community and Māori- I think honestly you’re giving them just a little bit much credit there. These are areas where National’s “progress” was either forced by opposition/support parties, or simply a result of continuing good work starting with the Clark government after they ate their dead rats and decided not to oppose treaty settlements or queer rights.
   • mickysavage 3.1

     13 November 2017 at 7:06 pm

     Compared to 2005 they made remarkable progress. Under Brash they really were a retrograde party. Under Key they changed tack significantly.
   • marty mars 3.2

     13 November 2017 at 7:22 pm

     + 1 yep it is drawing a long bow to say the gnats have done more for government-Māori relations than labour even with the Labour debarcles in that area. The Māori party may try to say it but the results speak for themselves.
4. Sparky 4

   13 November 2017 at 5:16 pm

   Here’s what Lee Camp has to say:
5. UncookedSelachimorpha 5

   13 November 2017 at 5:41 pm

   They should have just gone with Sanders.

   Simple.
   • Andre 5.1

     13 November 2017 at 6:30 pm

     One of these days someone like Sanders will actually get elected.

     Then we’ll probably find out that they too have the choice of either making the same shitty compromises the centrists make, or achieving nothing because they can’t bring enough others along with them.
     • marty mars 5.1.1

       13 November 2017 at 7:29 pm

       Yep – the sanders would have won line just seems so wishful, I just can’t see it. And if he did get in then the machine would have chewed him and his morals up imo. Good bloke but yeah nah.
       • Macro 5.1.1.1

         13 November 2017 at 7:45 pm

         The real “action” (if there is to be any at all) gets done in the House and the Senate. We can see just how much of Obama’s programme he was able to achieve when opposed by a Repug dominated Congress – virtually nothing. Even with a Repug majority – the Chump has been unable to pass one major piece of legislation, and his hopes of a wonderful, beautiful, and the greatest tax break of all time, being passed before xmas grows more remote by the day.
         Of course the executive does get a say in who is to be appointed to significant public office – and Chump’s Scott Pruitt is doing a “fine job” in looking after global warming. And on the “education” front Betty De Vos is making sure it doesn’t happen
         • Andre 5.1.1.1.1

           13 November 2017 at 8:09 pm

           Kim Jong Orange’s problem with passing legislation is he won’t do the work needed to forge the necessary compromises and sell it to hesitant lawmakers. Previous presidents worked their asses off to shape things into a form that could get enough yes votes. Even dear doddery Ronnie. But Grabba the Hutt prefers just insulting the people whose support he needs.
       • UncookedSelachimorpha 5.1.1.2

         13 November 2017 at 11:12 pm

         I wasn’t thinking so much that ‘Sanders would have won’ (although he probably would have). Winning the presidency doesn’t count for so much.

         More that Sanders was leading a genuine shift in the public dialog and thinking – and being the candidate (and maybe the president) would have given even more weight to a widespread and popular mood change. A large change in public sentiment could have led to even bigger things (like a progressive congress that actually supported a progressive agenda).

         Instead the Democrat establishment thought their power hierarchy was more important than supporting actual social progress.

         I thought during the primaries that Hillary would have gone down in history as one of the greatest leaders ever, if she had recognised the importance of what Sanders was saying and stood aside for him.
6. Colonial Viper 6

   13 November 2017 at 5:58 pm

   Jimmy Dore (of Young Turks fame) explains what the Donna Brazile (former DNC head) revelations mean, including how the Hillary Campaign controlled all the DNC’s finances and approved all key staff hiring for the “impartial” DNC.

   Bernie never stood a chance.

   [lprent: Hi CV. As you have a login attached to that handle/email, you’ll need to login to stop your comments going to auto-moderation. Just part of the wordfence security against identity theft. Let me know if you want me to generate a new password. ]
   • mickysavage 6.1

     13 November 2017 at 7:06 pm

     Hello CV!
     • Colonial Viper 6.1.1

       13 November 2017 at 9:37 pm

       ms, greetings, it’s a new era 🙂
   • gsays 6.2

     13 November 2017 at 7:17 pm

     Hey cv, welcome back.
     • Colonial Viper 6.2.1

       13 November 2017 at 9:37 pm

       chur gsays, just dropping by 🙂
     • mosa 6.2.2

       14 November 2017 at 9:51 pm

       HEE HEE HEE Its C.V
       Good to hear from ya mate.
   • McFlock 6.3

     13 November 2017 at 7:20 pm

     Well, it doesn’t explain why more people voted for clinton than sanders, but whatevs.
     • Colonial Viper 6.3.1

       13 November 2017 at 9:39 pm

       The Hillary campaign controlled all the key posts, recruitment and budgets of the DNC during the organisation and running of the primaries. You can work out the rest.
       • McFlock 6.3.1.1

         13 November 2017 at 10:00 pm

         and running of the primaries.

         Nope, not all of them. You’d be able to point out a massive Sanders swing in the primaries that were administered by state election commisions, then?
         Nope
         • One Anonymous Bloke 6.3.1.1.1

           13 November 2017 at 10:04 pm

           Funny how the saying “don’t believe everything you think” springs to mind. 😉
         • Colonial Viper 6.3.1.1.2

           13 November 2017 at 10:15 pm

           The Clinton operatives would not have needed to be that obvious. They didn’t need to win the Primaries via a one sided landslide. They just needed to do enough to win the Primaries.

           Which they did.

           The fact is that the Hillary campaign controlled the supposedly neutral DNC during the Primary period, both budget, personnel and recruiting.

           No better source than Donna Brazile, former head of the DNC has revealed such.

           Not a coincidence.

           btw I suspect that lots on the Clintons, their team, their little fundraising foundation is about to come out.
           • McFlock 6.3.1.1.2.1

             13 November 2017 at 11:13 pm

             You’re ignoring the point that with a 20-25% lead over sanders in the popular vote (15mil vs 12mil) they didn’t “need to” do a damned thing.

             They won by a landslide in the states they didn’t “control” the elections in.

             But even better, look at the actual caucus results. The ones the DNC suppoosedly rigged.

             Not only did Sanders win those, but to draw with Clinton based on the votes the dnc supposedly rigged he’d have needed something like 530 of the 537 caucus-voted delegates, give or take single digits.

             Your conspiracy just doesn’t add up.

             I suspect you’ll keep us abreast of Mueller’s Clinton grand jury indictments, lol
             • Colonial Viper …

               13 November 2017 at 11:49 pm

               The conspiracy was there.

               The “neutral” DNC could not spend a bean without Clinton campaign approval, via secret agreement.

               Not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.

               Donna Brazile, as head of the DNC, had to pass all DNC spending decisions and recruitment decisions by the Clinton campaign for approval.

               Not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.
               • McFlock …

                 14 November 2017 at 12:06 am

                 Oh, I get those bits. I’m just trying to figure out the connection between this “conspiracy” and your statement that “Bernie never stood a chance.”

                 If anything, you should wish that this “conspiracy” had controlled all the primaries: the caucus elections this “conspiracy” rigged gave proportionately more delegates to Sanders than the primaries administered by state electoral commissions. Shouldn’t the Democrat-controlled elections have favoured Clinton?

                 To extend the autopsy analogy, you’ve noted a smudge on this corpse’s left hand and a neck free of blemishes, so have pronounced the cause of death as suicide by hanging. Please, take us through your reasoning, oh esteemed election pathologist.
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               14 November 2017 at 12:16 am

               A Breitbart Exclusive!
   • Colonial Viper 6.4

     13 November 2017 at 9:36 pm

     thanks lprent, managed to figure it out 🙂

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