Generational astrology

Written By: - Date published: 10:00 am, March 25th, 2020 - 25 comments
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There are still a few people around playing the inter-generational blame game, although I am relieved to see it has dropped way down. The horrendous ‘bye-boomer’ meme earlier in the pandemic seems to have disappeared, and I’m not seeing regular ok boomer dismissals online. 

There are a few people who don’t seem to get it, including one prominent left wing blogger I am not linking to but the gist of which is that millennials and younger are locked down with severe restrictions to save boomer lives and given how boomers have fucked everything up, they should remember this when it’s all over. Assuming they’re not dead I guess. Reading accounts from medical staff in Italy and the US of the conditions under which people are dying tells me immediately that we have to stop giving older people grief.

It’s not hard to react and counter with tales of all the stupid shit some young people are doing right now or how millennials don’t vote out austerity goverments, but that just keeps us in the cul de sac of political impotence against neoliberalism. 

Instead,

 

Recently I tweeted this,

I miss my old people something fierce. When I was growing up I spent a lot of time around old people, my grandparents and their friends and extended family. They weren’t boomers of course, the boomers were still in their 20s and 30s, millennial-esque. All those old people are gone now and the boomers have taken their place. The first boomers are in their mid-70s, and I am going to miss them something fierce when they are gone too.

Mainstream society treats old people pretty badly in many ways. Ageism is real, and institutional ageism is not well discussed in political circles. I contrast this with Māori and other cultures who value their old people highly, because aroha, and because older people hold institutional wisdom that cultures need to survive and be well. Part of how humans evolved was because we had older people to help with raising kids and tending to the tribe.

For many of us it is clear that there is no going back to how things were, the coronavirus has changed everything. Neoliberalism has been momentarily stopped in its tracks, and we just demonstrated in a few short months that if we want to, when it’s actually important to us, we can drastically reduce GHG emissions.

What we do next matters. We’re not going back, but what we are going forward into isn’t set in stone. We have some choices here, and I’m hoping that over the next four weeks we can have a wide discussion about what those choices are and where we want to go. The potential for change is here, in our hands, in a way I’ve not experienced in 50 odd years. 

How do we want to function collectively as a society? If socialists, progressives, left wingers want to talk about how our values and politics are good and useful right now, then we have to get this stuff right. Practice what we preach and actively create the society based in kindness and connection we say we want, here and now. This is no longer theoretical nor political aspiration. We are in the time when we get to make it real.

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  1. Carolyn_Nth 1
    25 March 2020 at 10:34 am

    Thanks weka. I posted a reply to that elder-bashing blog post that you are not linking to. I thought it was a very mean-spirited comment for that blogger to make at a time when we should all be pulling together.

    I have gotta say I have had nothing but kindness, friendliness and support from my millennial nephews. The one who is currently living in Auckland reached out to me last week to offer to do anything for me that I need. He was the one came to collect me from hospital after a minor sinus operation a couple of years back – always cheerful and sociable.

    I suspect, like his parents, he is more likely to vote National than Labour. I have always been the known leftie in a more neoliberal family (socially liberal, economically conservative).

    That post that shall not be linked, followed the line that all us boomers are selfish right wing voters – in keeping with the line that we are all property hoarding, property owners who have left nothing for subsequent generations . Well, my millennial nephew and his partner have bought a house & section in recent years (with a bit of help from boomer parents), and I am the lifetime renter.

    But still the stereotype prevails! In all generations, it is the low income people who suffer most. I am financially better off than most renters – unless the banks crash!

    When you look at the NZ stats so far, it's mainly people in their 40s, 50s and 60s that have tested positive to Covid-19, with very few people in their 70s and 80s. There are more people in their 20s that have tested positive than the 70 & 80 yr olds; more positives in their teens than in their 80s. This is probably because they are still mostly related to overseas travellers.

    And if there is an increase in severe cases, likely mostly but not exclusively older people, this will overload out health system, and cause problems for people of all ages in need of health or injury care.

    • weka 1.1
      25 March 2020 at 11:47 am

      So glad I haven't seen the post, I just saw the tweet which was bad enough.

      It's so horrible seeing people shitting on old people right now. We are better than this, hoping it's isolated, but really disappointing to see it by someone with such a big platform.

      Thanks for the link, good to see some early analysis in a NZ context.

      • Carolyn_Nth 1.1.1
        25 March 2020 at 12:05 pm

        I have noticed that this blogger has no empathy for anyone except those who are part of his/her group – so only has good things to say about their own generation, and finds fault with every other one.

        Similar self focus re socio-economic class, sex, etc.

  2. Ad 2
    25 March 2020 at 11:00 am

    I absolutely get the point of smoothing intergenerational discord. I have a lot of them and did a round of visits last weekend.

    But the two bigger strifes at the moment occurring around the place is:

    1. Who gets the kids? Family ex-es who thought they had access and now just don't.

    2. Looting. It's gonna happen .

    • weka 2.1
      25 March 2020 at 11:43 am

      1. I feel for the people that have acrimonious set ups around shared care. I hope others can step up and provide support to deal with that. Generally I think it's 4 weeks right now, it's manageable for most given so many have ITC.

      2. Probably, although apparently in the UK they're saying the authorities expected it to be worse and instead lots of people are helping each other out.

      I think our low population is a boon right now (easier for the state to respond). Some people are going to get caught up in this wrongly (remembering what happened in Chch post quake), and being considerate to police and others set to manage this would go a long way.

      • Carolyn_Nth 2.1.1
        25 March 2020 at 12:02 pm

        The UK have left the lock down til community transmission is quite rampant. I am seeing on social media younger people talking about having got quite a strong and debilitating bout of Covid-19 from social activities.

        NZ has moved to it much earlier.

        • weka 2.1.1.1
          25 March 2020 at 12:06 pm

          I'm hearing people still doing lots of gathering together in the UK, so I'm guessing that the earlier fuck up and messaging has confused people. We are so lucky here, despite the lapses in some things.

          • Carolyn_Nth 2.1.1.1.1
            25 March 2020 at 1:04 pm

            It's shocking how some people just don't get the seriousness of the situation.

            Some seem to think the rules/guidelines are there to break. They are there for all our good and for the collective good.

            This "Don't pop the bubble" on RNZ lays out the importance for us all to limit our circle of contacts. eg it could mean the difference between a short or long lock down period.

    • Cinny 2.2
      25 March 2020 at 12:24 pm

      The Director General of Health has given guidelines re shared care of children during lockdown:

      • Parents with shared custody of children were able to move between two homes as long as they are in the same community.
      • If a child spends time with a parent in Auckland and a parent in Christchurch, it is likely that travel restrictions will see that child spending the lockdown period with one of the parents.
      • This is to minimise the risk of Covid-19 spread.
      • However, if both parents live in the same city or town, then care arrangements should be able to continue as normal.

      Our plan is… in two weeks time we will make the call whether the girls can spend time at their dads. If they can, we will ask if they can stay there for a week. However it's all up to him, and as the girls catch the bus to their dad's he will instead need to collect them and return them. So their dad and his partner in theory would become part of our bubble.

      In the end it really depends on whether one of the parents is going to be an arsehole or not.

  3. Cinny 3
    25 March 2020 at 12:12 pm

    Yesterday in Spain the military went to disinfect a resthome, what they found was deeply disturbing.

    The elderly at the home had been abandoned, they found some of them dead in their beds.

    This should never ever happen, please NZ don't let it happen here.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/corpses-elderly-abandoned-spanish-care-homes-200324141255435.html

    • Carolyn_Nth 3.1
      25 March 2020 at 12:19 pm

      Geeezuz! Words fail me! That surely is a pandemic and then some.

      • Cinny 3.1.1
        25 March 2020 at 12:34 pm

        Spain appears to be the new hotspot, but that story….. fork!

        • riffer 3.1.1.1
          25 March 2020 at 1:03 pm

          meanwhile, USA looks on and says "hold my beer." Things are going to get really bad for the USA in the next week. I'm so glad we're in lockdown. I am starting to wonder if we are going to see the start of a Soviet-Union style breakdown in the USA over the next few months.

          • Carolyn_Nth 3.1.1.1.1
            25 March 2020 at 1:08 pm

            I have thought the US has been in slow decline since the time of Bush Jrn. Their current president is the WORST one to have at this time, but many USians will probably still vote for him.

          • Cinny 3.1.1.1.2
            25 March 2020 at 1:16 pm

            Makes sense why some tourists have decided to stay on here. Our government is looking after us, we are so freakin lucky.

            Carolyn, I wonder if USA citizens are having a ‘Bernies free health care plan sounds pretty good right now’ moment.

          • halfcrown 3.1.1.1.3
            25 March 2020 at 7:18 pm

            A great article which shows how America and others have armed themselves for the wrong enemy.

            Having read this novel I find the comparison
            ironic

            https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/23/covid-19-prepared-for-the-wrong-war/

  4. Roy Cartland 4
    25 March 2020 at 1:03 pm

    That 'left wing blogger' I suspect you're referring to is not so left; if it's the same one, he's literally advocated fascism:

    • in the form of mob beatings for those perceived as racist, and

    • bitch-slaps and backhanders for people like Simon Bridges to make him see sense and not say stupid things, and

    • panic as an appropriate response to the virus threat, which he knows more about than all the doctors, governments and psychologists.

    And btw, he told us so.

    • Carolyn_Nth 4.1
      25 March 2020 at 1:10 pm

      Yes. that "I know better, and I have been ahead of it and saying what to do about this virus for months" panic is just going to wind some people up to more unhelpful panic responses.

    • weka 4.2
      25 March 2020 at 1:13 pm

      there are left wing people that hold those views unfortunately.

      • Roy Cartland 4.2.1
        25 March 2020 at 1:22 pm

        *Sigh* too true. In any case, yes it is the same blogger. Most of his commenters are pretty f'd off by that ageist post of his too, btw.

        • weka 4.2.1.1
          25 March 2020 at 1:27 pm

          good to hear, hopefully he will learn from the feedback.

          • peterlepaysan 4.2.1.1.1
            25 March 2020 at 10:57 pm

            Not sure about learning from feed back.

            Sent a response regarding the use of "boomer". Response was never posted. He is a gutless wonder.

            To be fair I did compare him to simon bridges, but only in terms of dog whistle

  5. peterh 5
    25 March 2020 at 2:13 pm

    yesterday we had people on this site, raving on about the warehouse, and other outlets to be left open, they put comments on here because they heard something that was not official, please do not rant on, until you hear the daily update, and even then try not to be too critical as we are all in this together

  6. Dennis Frank 6
    26 March 2020 at 10:17 am

    Interesting choice of a headline, riffing off the twitter guy's unreliable memory of the 1980s. If corporate marketers really did lift the concept from the new-agers, and run with it, I bet they never told their clients!

    The theory that outer-planet transits through the signs of the zodiac create generational affinities originated in Dane Rudhyar's later books (1970s) as far as I can recall. It got traction to the extent that the sixties rebels actually were all peace love & woodstock (Neptune in Libra) and exploded the nuclear family (Uranus in Cancer). You can look back into the early 20th century and see correlations too: Hollywood came from the Neptune in Leo generation, elimination of empire from Pluto in Leo, motherland nationalism from Pluto in Cancer earlier.

    Younger generations since have failed the intellectual challenge involved in matching theory to reality. Not that I'm suggesting astrologers are any less clueless on the topic than the media, mind you! All they ever do is recycle the crap in astrology books ad nauseum. Can't tell the difference between what's valid and what isn't.

    Relevance to real life is established by utility value. If a belief system makes sense to them, people will use it because humans need meaning in life. Best to cut the crap though – believing invalid stuff breeds poor mental health, makes folks delusional. I have a circle of astrologer friends from the '80s, around a dozen or so, who have completed professional careers in various different fields. Usually intelligent discourse at gatherings, but I always have to steer it away from the platitudes…

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    As everyone who watches television or is on the mailing list for any of our major stores will confirm, “Black Friday” has become the longest running commercial extravaganza and celebration in our history. Although its origins are obscure (presumably dreamt up by American salesmen a few years ago), it has ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago

  • In Defense of the Media.
    Yesterday the Ministers in the next government were sworn in by our Governor General. A day of tradition and ceremony, of decorum and respect. Usually.But yesterday Winston Peters, the incoming Deputy Prime Minister, and Foreign Minister, of our nation used it, as he did with the signing of the coalition ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Tuesday, Nov 28
    Nicola Willis’ first move was ‘spilling the tea’ on what she called the ‘sobering’ state of the nation’s books, but she had better be able to back that up in the HYEFU. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • PT use up but fare increases coming
    Yesterday Auckland Transport were celebrating, as the most recent Sunday was the busiest Sunday they’ve ever had. That’s a great outcome and I’m sure the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    4 days ago

  • The very opposite of social investment
    Nicola Willis (in blue) at the signing of the coalition agreement, before being sworn in as both Finance Minister and Social Investment Minister. National’s plan to unwind anti-smoking measures will benefit her in the first role, but how does it stack up from a social investment viewpoint? Photo: Lynn Grieveson ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • Giving Tuesday
    For the first time "in history" we decided to jump on the "Giving Tuesday" bandwagon in order to make you aware of the options you have to contribute to our work! Projects supported by Skeptical Science Inc. Skeptical Science Skeptical Science is an all-volunteer organization but ...
    Skeptical Science
    5 days ago

  • Let's open the books with Nicotine Willis
    Let’s say it’s 1984,and there's a dreary little nation at the bottom of the Pacific whose name rhymes with New Zealand,and they've just had an election.Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, will you look at the state of these books we’ve opened,cries the incoming government, will you look at all this mountain ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • Climate Change: Stopping oil
    National is promising to bring back offshore oil and gas drilling. Naturally, the Greens have organised a petition campaign to try and stop them. You should sign it - every little bit helps, and as the struggle over mining conservation land showed, even National can be deterred if enough people ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago

  • Don’t accept Human Rights Commission reading of data on Treaty partnership – read the survey fin...
    Wellington is braced for a “massive impact’ from the new government’s cutting public service jobs, The Post somewhat grimly reported today. Expectations of an economic and social jolt are based on the National-Act coalition agreement to cut public service numbers in each government agency in a cost-trimming exercise  “informed by” head ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    5 days ago

  • The stupidest of stupid reasons
    One of the threats in the National - ACT - NZ First coalition agreements was to extend the term of Parliament to four years, reducing our opportunities to throw a bad government out. The justification? Apparently, the government thinks "elections are expensive". This is the stupidest of stupid reasons for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago

  • A website bereft of buzz
    Buzz from the Beehive The new government was being  sworn in, at time of writing , and when Point of Order checked the Beehive website for the latest ministerial statements and re-visit some of the old ones we drew a blank. We found ….  Nowt. Nothing. Zilch. Not a ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    5 days ago

  • MICHAEL BASSETT: A new Ministry – at last
    Michael Bassett writes – Like most people, I was getting heartily sick of all the time being wasted over the coalition negotiations. During the first three weeks Winston grinned like a Cheshire cat, certain he’d be needed; Chris Luxon wasted time in lifting the phone to Winston ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • Luxon's Breakfast.
    The Prime Minister elect had his silver fern badge on. He wore it to remind viewers he was supporting New Zealand, that was his team. Despite the fact it made him look like a concierge, or a welcomer in a Koru lounge. Anna Burns-Francis, the Breakfast presenter, asked if he ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • LINDSAY MITCHELL:  Oranga Tamariki faces major upheaval under coalition agreement
     Lindsay Mitchell writes – A hugely significant gain for ACT is somewhat camouflaged by legislative jargon. Under the heading ‘Oranga Tamariki’ ACT’s coalition agreement contains the following item:   Remove Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 According to Oranga Tamariki:     “Section ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • BRIAN EASTON:  Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record. Brian Easton writes – 1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • Cathrine Dyer's guide to watching COP 28 from the bottom of a warming planet
    Is COP28 largely smoke and mirrors and a plan so cunning, you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel? Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: COP28 kicks off on November 30 and up for negotiation are issues like the role of fossil fuels in the energy transition, contributions to ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Monday, Nov 27
    PM Elect Christopher Luxon was challenged this morning on whether he would sack Adrian Orr and Andrew Coster.TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am on Monday November 27, including:Signs councils are putting planning and capital spending on hold, given a lack of clear guidance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the new government’s policies of yesteryear
    This column expands on a Werewolf column published by Scoop on Friday Routinely, Winston Peters is described as the kingmaker who gets to decide when the centre right or the centre-left has a turn at running this country. He also plays a less heralded but equally important role as the ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    5 days ago

  • The New Government’s Agreements
    Last Friday, almost six weeks after election day, National finally came to an agreement with ACT and NZ First to form a government. They also released the agreements between each party and looking through them, here are the things I thought were the most interesting (and often concerning) from the. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    5 days ago

  • How many smokers will die to fund the tax cuts?
    Maori and Pasifika smoking rates are already over twice the ‘all adult’ rate. Now the revenue that generates will be used to fund National’s tax cuts. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The devil is always in the detail and it emerged over the weekend from the guts of the policy agreements National ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • How the culture will change in the Beehive
    Perhaps the biggest change that will come to the Beehive as the new government settles in will be a fundamental culture change. The era of endless consultation will be over. This looks like a government that knows what it wants to do, and that means it knows what outcomes ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago

  • No More Winnie Blues.
    So what do you think of the coalition’s decision to cancel Smokefree measures intended to stop young people, including an over representation of Māori, from taking up smoking? Enabling them to use the tax revenue to give other people a tax cut?David Cormack summed it up well:It seems not only ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago

  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #47
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science  Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Nov 19, 2023 thru Sat, Nov 25, 2023.  Story of the Week World stands on frontline of disaster at Cop28, says UN climate chief  Exclusive: Simon Stiell says leaders must ‘stop ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago

  • Some of it is mad, some of it is bad and some of it is clearly the work of people who are dangerous ...
    On announcement morning my mate texted:Typical of this cut-price, fake-deal government to announce itself on Black Friday.What a deal. We lose Kim Hill, we gain an empty, jargonising prime minister, a belligerent conspiracist, and a heartless Ayn Rand fanboy. One door closes, another gets slammed repeatedly in your face.It seems pretty ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    7 days ago

  • “Revolution” is the threat as the Māori Party smarts at coalition government’s Treaty directi...
    Buzz from the Beehive Having found no fresh announcements on the government’s official website, Point of Order turned today to Scoop’s Latest Parliament Headlines  for its buzz. This provided us with evidence that the Māori Party has been soured by the the coalition agreement announced yesterday by the new PM. “Soured” ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 week ago

  • The Good, the Bad, and the even Worse.
    Yesterday the trio that will lead our country unveiled their vision for New Zealand.Seymour looking surprisingly statesmanlike, refusing to rise to barbs about his previous comments on Winston Peters. Almost as if they had just been slapstick for the crowd.Winston was mostly focussed on settling scores with the media, making ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago

  • When it Comes to Palestine – Free Speech is Under Threat
    Hi,Thanks for getting amongst Mister Organ on digital — thanks to you, we hit the #1 doc spot on iTunes this week. This response goes a long way to helping us break even.I feel good about that. Other things — not so much.New Zealand finally has a new government, and ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 week ago

  • Thank you Captain Luxon. Was that a landing, or were we shot down?
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Also in More Than A FeildingFriday The unboxing And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago

  • Cans of Worms.
    “And there’ll be no shortage of ‘events’ to test Luxon’s political skills. David Seymour wants a referendum on the Treaty. Winston wants a Royal Commission of Inquiry into Labour’s handling of the Covid crisis. Talk about cans of worms!”LAURIE AND LES were very fond of their local. It was nothing ...
    Bowalley Road
    1 week ago

  • Disinformation campaigns are undermining democracy. Here’s how we can fight back
    This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article. Misinformation is debated everywhere and has justifiably sparked concerns. It can polarise the public, reduce health-protective behaviours such as mask wearing and vaccination, and erode trust in science. Much of misinformation is spread not ...
    Skeptical Science
    1 week ago

  • Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record.1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is not even an entry in Wikipedia. ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago

  • The New Government: 2023 Edition
    So New Zealand has a brand-spanking new right-wing government. Not just any new government either. A formal majority coalition, of the sort last seen in 1996-1998 (our governmental arrangements for the past quarter of a century have been varying flavours of minority coalition or single-party minority, with great emphasis ...
    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand welcomes European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement
    A significant milestone in ratifying the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) was reached last night, with 524 of the 705 member European Parliament voting in favour to approve the agreement. “I’m delighted to hear of the successful vote to approve the NZ-EU FTA in the European Parliament overnight. This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Further humanitarian support for Gaza, the West Bank and Israel
    The Government is contributing a further $5 million to support the response to urgent humanitarian needs in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, bringing New Zealand’s total contribution to the humanitarian response so far to $10 million. “New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of civilian life and the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago

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