Good luck, David

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1. carol 1

   13 December 2011 at 8:35 am

   Thank you Zetetic – I totally agree. Give us a good leader … and the support will be behind you 100 percent!
2. lprent 2

   13 December 2011 at 8:39 am

   There was a bit of scratching amongst the various supporters here. But it never got too far out of hand – at least not in my view. Of course my standard was set in the late 80’s and early 90’s bloodletting.

   It is going to be interesting to see the outcome of this. In a lot of ways I suspect that it has a lot less importance to labour than the review Moira Coatsworth is initiating. But I suspect the two things are interrelated.

   At present I find myself questioning why I bother exerting effort inside Labour at all. Efforts outside it like this one are a lot more effective. Perhaps that is a question that the new leaders would address?
   • Colonial Viper 2.1

     13 December 2011 at 8:51 am

     Efforts outside it like this one are a lot more effective.

     On a return on investment for progressive politics in NZ and for the Left in general, it’s not hard to reach the same conclusion.
3. mickysavage 3

   13 December 2011 at 8:45 am

   I agree that the debate has been conducted with dignity and I also think that the debate on the Standard has been healthy and welcome.  Instead of this being a beauty parade the online discussion and the leaders debates have brought out and developed many interesting and important themes.
    
   There has been some skullduggery in the background which I am sure David S has not approved of or even is aware of.  But this person’s actions are beneath contempt and for the party to heal he will need to be reigned in.
   • Colonial Viper 3.1

     13 December 2011 at 8:53 am

     I know timeframes were short, but I wish David Shearer had also put a post up on The Standard.
   • Anne 3.2

     13 December 2011 at 10:02 am

     this person’s actions are beneath contempt and for the party to heal he will need to be reigned in..

     I think it’s going to need more than a reigning in mickey savage. I think the MP in question needs to be outed for his underhand behaviour. Especially since it is now clear that it’s been going on for a long time. It is bitterly disappointing. I feel betrayed.
     • Blue 3.2.1

       13 December 2011 at 10:08 am

       It’s not so much ‘reigning in’ that’s required – more like ‘needs to suffer the same fate as Chris Carter’.
     • eggonomics 3.2.2

       13 December 2011 at 11:20 am

       give us a clue….?
4. LynW 4

   13 December 2011 at 9:09 am

   A challenging yet conciliatory post. Might I add, as far as looking at the model for future leadership changes, the need for member voting rights, as proposed by DC at the Auckland meeting? This would certainly empower members far more. May the best David win!
5. King Kong 5

   13 December 2011 at 9:11 am

   [Deleted. Blatant trolling…. RL]
6. Craig Glen Eden 6

   13 December 2011 at 9:26 am

   KK National are so far up shit creek you have become immune to that nasty smell. Shitty policy delivers shitty results. National is bereft of ideas and policy it may look flash but sooner or latter your poor results become clear and smile and wave becomes glum and wave good bye.
   One cabinet minister has lost her seat, who’s next?

   [Flame war ends here…RL]
7. tsmithfield 7

   13 December 2011 at 9:58 am

   I have the inside word on Shearer’s first edict to all lefties:

   “er…um…ah..we..shouldn’t…um..ah…make fun of…um..K-Keys speech c-char-racter..um.ristics…ah..again.” 🙂
   • dazed & confused 7.1

     13 December 2011 at 10:26 am

     I know you’re talking in jest, but were the new leader to act along those lines, he’d be doing the best thing Labour could do. Key and how he speaks, the way he is perceived by his detractors and their constant commentary about him needs to stop. The leader of Labour’s main opposition should be irrelevant to a Labour going forward .

     Labour’s rebuilding needs to move away from personal attacks, the public hate it – it appears peevish, shows weakness and is translated as obsession with the other brand.
     • Colonial Viper 7.1.1

       13 December 2011 at 10:29 am

       I actually agree with you that personalised attacks on Key need to be reduced by about 50%, while focus on Labour’s on policy alternatives needs to be doubled.
       • s y d 7.1.1.1

         13 December 2011 at 11:41 am

         sigh….’the other brand’…sums it all up really….you may as well be talking about clothes driers, mobile phones, laundry detergent…I guess when the differences between what these two parties espouse is so small (and getting smaller and smaller smaller) then branding and smiling and who has the best face, best name, best back story is all that matters. Meanwhile back in New Zealand….
         • Bunji 7.1.1.1.1

           13 December 2011 at 11:54 am

           I can’t agree that the differences between the 2 parties is small or getting smaller.

           The policies promoted for the 2011 election were vastly different. National still obsessed with neo-liberalism, austerity and trickle-down; Labour wanting to stop Asset Sales to the rich, and make a fairer tax system where people pay their share with CGT and a $5000 tax-free income bracket. Labour with a big focus on the future with sensible savings and super policies, and educate and look after our young; National wanting to keep on with the inter-generational transfer and ensure a climate changed for future geneartions with continued subsidies for polluters instead of a real ETS.

           (Unless the 2 parties you refer to are Lab & Green – then yes, the policy difference is small and getting smaller…)
           • s y d 7.1.1.1.1.1

             13 December 2011 at 12:01 pm

             bunji, I’m really talking about a bigger time frame than this latest election…I see this change to shearer as part of a continuing shuffle off to the right (always couched in terms of becoming more centrist, of course)….don’t get me wrong, labour is far and away better than john keys party, but it sort of feels like labour are fluffing the pillow while we quietly slip away…
   • felix 7.2

     13 December 2011 at 3:28 pm

     lolz tsmithfield, that’s so not a valid parallel to draw.

     Shearer seems to have a bit of a confidence issue with public speaking so he stutters a bit, but he speaks in eloquent well formed concise sentences.

     Key on the other hand is brimming with confidence and has no trouble opening his mouth, but seems to have no idea what the words he uses mean, or how they go together. I also don’t believe he has either the intelligence, the basic level of education, or self-awareness to know this.

     If you genuinely don’t understand the difference I’ve outlined then I suggest that the previous sentence also applies to you.
   • drongo 7.3

     14 December 2011 at 2:53 am

     No it won’t – it’ll be an announcement that Labour’s doing a coalition deal with National, and he’ll say it really clearly.
8. Lew 8

   13 December 2011 at 9:59 am

   Good comment, Z.

   L
9. Ianupnorth 9

   13 December 2011 at 10:06 am

   On the radio this morning they were practically saying Shearer had won.
   • deuto 9.1

     13 December 2011 at 10:43 am

     Similarly this morning’s Stuff and Herald articles also suggest that but with some rebuffals included.

     The Herald article also states that the Labour-aligned blog The Standard supports Cunliffe.(quoting from (bad) memory. Its about halfway down in the article here http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772863
     • lprent 9.1.1

       13 December 2011 at 11:16 am

       Yeah, I think I will complain about that one. The Standard is a machine.
       • deuto 9.1.1.1

         13 December 2011 at 12:31 pm

         Thought you would want to, Lynn – hence my pointing it out in case you missed it. Watch that bp – mine’s not been the greatest in the last hour… But not my vote to make.
10. mickysavage 10

    13 December 2011 at 11:03 am

    And the winner is ….

    Drum Roll

    DAVID!

    (hehe) 
11. Trowlie 11

    13 December 2011 at 11:06 am

    The Labour party should have flown Jeff Probst down and held a Survivor tribal council style vote on live tv.

    Each MP could have written their vote down and then made a wee comment to the camera.

    The loser could have also had their torch snuffed out at the end.
12. mickysavage 12

    13 December 2011 at 11:09 am

    And the winner is …
     
    Shearer.  I must admit a personal feeling of being gutted.  I hope the reunification and rejuvenation process goes well.
     
    No one should put a Green party membership form in front of me for a while though …
13. sthnjeff 13

    13 December 2011 at 11:10 am

    Shearer and Robertson… let the bloodbatch commence!
14. LynW 14

    13 December 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Surprise surprise! And the point of the road show was?
    • The Voice of Reason 14.1

      13 December 2011 at 12:34 pm

      Hmmmm, the point of the roadshow? To lift Labour’s profile, to road test the leadership, to energise the caucus and the activist base and to increase membership. Excellent plan, well executed, and a boost to the party’s fortunes when, by rights, it should be down in the dumps.
       
      Big ups to Moira and Chris! You’ve already started us down the road to victory in 2014 (or hopefully earlier).
15. LynW 15

    13 December 2011 at 12:48 pm

    All valid points TVOR. It’s just that feeling of ‘fait accompli’ that irks. However, I guess it’s on with the show!

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