Greenpeace activism

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1. Paul 1

   5 July 2015 at 10:52 am

   Before attacking Greenpeace, Paul Little should ask himself what does he do to avert climate catastrophe?
   Wonder how much the fossil fuel industry paid him to write the article.
2. marty mars 2

   5 July 2015 at 11:03 am

   Greenpeace and their activists deserve our highest praise and respect and that is what they get from me. Paul Little – sounds like he is envious because he hasn’t done shit to help the planet.
   • Paul 2.1

     5 July 2015 at 11:07 am

     As just another captured member of the MSM, he is in fact partially responsive for restricting serious debate on the subject.
3. Bill 3

   5 July 2015 at 11:14 am

   If a message is getting out on an issue, but there is a gap between the volume of the message and the reaction to the issue, then that gap will be filled with people crying ‘fail’.

   I’m all for publicity stunts, they certainly have their place (small numbers of people getting fair media traction) .

   I might have doubts around using those tactics when the issue and the potential levels of participation and buy-in is large, unless they used in a series of high profile rolling actions.
4. Reddelusion 4

   5 July 2015 at 11:49 am

   Green peace do need a PR make over, they loose more people than they gain with their silly stunts, keeps the hard core happy like the above poster, but that’s about it
   • dukeofurl 4.1

     5 July 2015 at 12:42 pm

     Have you forgotten the old maxim about advertising, ‘50% is wasted but I dont know which 50%’

     Every group with limited resources has a target market. You just are too old or too conservative or both to matter for Greenpeace.

     I think greenpeace know exactly what they are doing, and Im sure it works for them. As an activist group they have to be seen as active in getting publicity about their issues. And it worked !

     Look at Nick Smith in his publicity stunt going around ‘vacant crown land’ to be used for housing. All it produced was an epic fail, and showed that he was incompetent, if you didn’t already suspect it.
   • Paul 4.2

     5 July 2015 at 1:34 pm

     As if you care about the environment.
     Shill for the 1%.
5. Enough 5

   5 July 2015 at 11:53 am

   Rather a “publicity whore” than a tow-the-Herald line whore!
   • dukeofurl 5.1

     5 July 2015 at 12:31 pm

     Dont you mean ‘No Herald journalists were taken out to lunch for this story’
6. red-blooded 6

   5 July 2015 at 12:18 pm

   Publicity stunts are not enough, by themselves, to solve entrenched problems, but can certainly be part of the mix – especially when so many people try to avoid thinking about the kinds of issues that Greenpeace focuses its energies on. Greenpeace represents care for our planet and each other. What does Paul Little represent?
   • In Vino 6.1

     5 July 2015 at 12:52 pm

     He represents a veneer of quasi-sophistication over a core of triviality combined with wilful ignorance.
7. Sable 7

   5 July 2015 at 1:39 pm

   Yep pretty revolting stuff but then what can you expect from what I consider to be a a turgid right wing rag. This is yet another example of why I don’t trust the MSM in general….
8. Charles 8

   5 July 2015 at 2:04 pm

   So further down the Herald article it gets into the central message from Paul Little, “Thou hast much volume”:

   Stephanie from Bootstheory blog has a post on “volume/tone control” when presenting opinions, it was posted here recently,

   “ “The tone argument is a form of derailment, or a red herring, because the tone of a statement is independent of the content of the statement in question, and calling attention to it distracts from the issue at hand. Drawing attention to the tone rather than content of a statement can allow other parties to avoid engaging with sound arguments presented in that statement, thus undermining the original party’s attempt to communicate and effectively shutting them down.”

   The irony is that these voices are already marginalized. Shouting is often the only way to get heard….”

   This obviously applies to tone of written or spoken word, inherent, she says, in the topic being disputed, and that’s true. But now Paul Little says an act, – a scientifically, measurably, quiet action – can have “volume”. That is also true. Climbing Parliament building was a fiasco, he says, “too loud”, it turns people off. All that moving around. All that actually being see in public. Children know better than to be heard. Adults shouldn’t be seen or heard.

   In actual fact Paul isn’t arguing volume anymore, at least not tone, because he contradicts himself:

   “…But if you want to make a real and dramatic change to someone’s life and you don’t need a fuss made of you for doing so, teaching people to read, so that when they get out of prison their chances of getting a job and functioning in society are higher, is about as good as it gets….”

   Here is a quiet act, with potentially “much volume”. So what’s the difference between quietly climbing something and quietly teaching prisoners to read*?

   Culture.

   Children should be seen and not heard.
   Adults should not challenge symbols of authority.
   Parliament buildings are a symbol of authority.
   Only a child would challenge authority so brazenly.
   Those protestors aren’t adults, they’re worse than naughty children.
   They aren’t one of us.

   Greenpeace transgressed the values of a very specific culture. That’s where the volume came from. A bit like using the dessert spoon for your soup course. It’s terribly disconcerting. The lie inherent in the claim is that the members of the culture Paul Little belongs to never were and never will be interested in Greenpeace’s message. They miss the biggest part of the message entirely.

   In quietly and creatively protesting their message the way they did, not only did they shout in the face of the right people (they knew both sides of their potential audience), they presented a way for Stephanie’s “marginalised voices” to out-shout the absurdly restrictive culture of the NZ Herald set.

   No one ever believed that a banner on parliament building was going to end Climate Change, influence National Party policy, or change John Key’s mind. What it did was change the current climate of protest, in irreversible immediate ways. That’s what scares the establishment. No one can stop the various ways to quietly undermine culture. Greenpeace emphasised how to loudly protest the culture that is the root of the problems in NZ: Quiet is the new Loud.

   *There’s another wee catch to his theory of simple quiet success in his example: he does not point out (but certainly illustrates) that the most substantial hurdle standing in the way of ex-cons reintergrating into society isn’t their reading age.
   • George Hendry 8.1

     5 July 2015 at 11:11 pm

     Thanks Charles. Beautifully and subtly put.
9. Facetious 9

   5 July 2015 at 4:25 pm

   The big multi-national corporation called Greenpeace is very adept at political stunts to attract gullible people to donate money to its coffers. Nothing wrong with their business smarts.
   • stever 9.1

     5 July 2015 at 9:09 pm

     Yeah…sadly being effective costs money.

     I guess you’d prefer they had no money and were therefore ineffective.
10. Heather Grimwood 10

    5 July 2015 at 5:32 pm

    Greenpeace activities over the years remind us that to be responsible global citizens, ensuring we move out of our comfort zone and work in whatever ways we can to enable a viable existence for those that come after us. Denigrators have heads in the sand ( quicksand !).
11. maui 11

    5 July 2015 at 9:11 pm

    Greenpeace are definitely leading the way in NZ in getting this message out there, the other protest groups are a bit behind but catching up. Who can forget a Lawless up a rig in Taranaki, the cutesy polar bear that gets itself into mischief in more temperate climes -(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/article-1342460620360-14153dbe000005dc-16005_636x402.jpg), and now the latest action taking it to government.

    The selfless will keep on getting society to where it should be while the selfish will keep getting in their way. But the tide is turning and there’s nothing they can do to stop it.
12. The Real Matthew 12

    5 July 2015 at 10:29 pm

    Paul’s piece was enlightened and bang on the money.

    We need more pieces like this to expose these organisations for what they are whilst focussing on the people who actually make a difference in their day to day lives yet don’t receive the accolades.

    The fact you respond quoting Greenpeace propaganda says it all.
    • In Vino 12.1

      5 July 2015 at 11:12 pm

      “Paul’s piece was enlightened and bang on the money.”

      It was a trite load of cacklemush.

      I do not believe that you understand what ‘these organisations’ really are, nor what is worthy of what you call ‘accolades’.

      And since what Greenpeace says is ‘Propaganda’ in your view, you obviously also approved of French Nuclear tests in the Pacific, as well as the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior. and the wholesale destruction of whales…

      When people take a simple, vague piece of waffle like ‘Greenpeace Propaganda’ and claim that it ‘says it all’, it simply indicates that they really like to over-simplify everything to suit their fantasies.

      Or have I misunderestimated you?
    • Anno1701 12.2

      6 July 2015 at 11:17 am

      “We need more pieces like this to expose these organisations for what they are’

      ok then smart guy

      what exactly ARE Greenpeace ?
13. Robert Atack 13

    7 July 2015 at 7:16 pm

    Even Captain Paul Watson thinks Greenpeace have lost the point of why he helped set them up.
    I had my doubts about them when they were protesting the nice little baby fur seals being clubbed to death, yet nothing about the cows, chickens or pigs, etc ?
    Then they gave the Anti Vivisection Socity zero support, as if ‘we’ didn’t exist?, AVS managed a 500 ish strong march through Wellington, and a shit load more thanks to mainly one womans efforts (can’t remember her name sorry) And a 100,000 + petition.
    Not that burning bunker oil for the sake of whales is much better.
14. Save NZ 14

    7 July 2015 at 8:44 pm

    Go Greenpeace.

    Who bother’s to read the herald these days, anyway. Like TV3, they have gone too far down the propaganda line to be credible, and soon it will be embarrassing for decent journo’s to be associated with them.

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