Guest post – Democracy and debate in the suburbs

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1. vto 1

   13 August 2014 at 1:14 pm

   That is sad on so very many fronts
   • aerobubble 1.1

     13 August 2014 at 5:00 pm

     The internet, by allowing access to the world, destroys local politics and culture. It doesn’t have to, it should be just as easy to connect to the person one street over as on the other side of the planet. Just the internet does give that control, well, except to the aggragators (collectors of identity and usage patterns).
     • vto 1.1.1

       13 August 2014 at 5:17 pm

       Absolutely it does. Couldn’t agree more.

       But this … “It doesn’t have to, it should be just as easy to connect to the person one street over as on the other side of the planet” …… is not right, as much as it seems better to be so..

       It is in fact easier to email or text or social network, than it is to physically approach the person one street over.

       Where will it go to next? Will we humans ever peak, or stop, or pause? I don’t think so… so ….
2. Draco T Bastard 2

   13 August 2014 at 1:27 pm

   One cannot help but regard the bigotry of the writer of the “internal memo” from the local Rotary Club

   The letter from said writer indicates that said writer is, as a matter of fact, a radical RWNJ who refuses to hear anything other than what supports his own delusional beliefs.
   • Roflcopter 2.1

     13 August 2014 at 2:20 pm

     Pretty much you then, but from the other side of the fence… we all have to put up with this kind of stuff in some form or another.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1

       13 August 2014 at 2:40 pm

       Yeah, sure, jumped up little gate-keepers at Rotary are totes what the organisation is all about.
3. Big Blue Al 3

   13 August 2014 at 1:28 pm

   As a long term and committed right winger, I only occasionally have a look at the Standard.
   I rarely (in fact, I believe, never) have made a comment, and found little to agree with on your site.
   However, I must agree totally with Old Irascible on this one. It’s not just local and community papers which have shied away from the opportunity of robust debate, but, as you say, community, social and local organisations as well. We unfortunately appear to have become a community of neutrals when it comes to “showing our colours” or taking a stance. The movement towards Presidential style elections have certainly enhanced this, but I believe the Political Correctness attitudes in both New Zealand and around the world have now denied us the right to publicly hold and express strong views, lest we “offend” some section of our community.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1

     13 August 2014 at 2:29 pm

     What has partisan bigotry to do with neutrality? The technical illiterate suppressing debate at the Rotary isn’t afraid to express their extremist hatred are they?

     I agree that racists and other right wing types aren’t quite so open with their hate-speech these days; they always did pay lip-service to good manners after all. It’s revealing who complains about it.

     PS: the real “problem” with “political correctness” is that people had a gutsful of low-IQ bullies ruining public discourse, so we pushed back, and the Right lost, and you’re still bumming out 🙂
     • Tracey 3.1.1

       13 August 2014 at 2:52 pm

       pc was a label invented to mock those who stood up to people disrespecting others based on ignorance and to replace coherent, mature discourse.
   • McFlock 3.2

     13 August 2014 at 2:34 pm

     I agree with everything except what you attribute it to. 🙂

     I think the reluctance to take a stance goes hand in hand with a singular lack of nuance, the lack of any effect a stand might have, and the use of offense as a weapon (as distinct from “political correctness”, which to my mind means simply having enough respect for someone to avoid causing needless offence).

     Presidential style politics are a byproduct of the lack of nuance, as is paul henry either being vapid or grossly offensive (rather than using the full range of territory between the two).

     Ordinary people tend to not be listened to any more, I think. The polly/decision maker makes the right sounds to indicate that their shit doesn’t stink, then continues on business as usual.

     And the hypocrisy of using offense as a weapon has been well demonstrated in the last few days when some folk who probably hadn’t even heard the word “Shylock” before (unless they were in a class that studied MoV at school) expended great effort being outraged by supposed anti-semitism. Some might well have been genuinely upset, but I doubt it. It was just another attack weapon. I’m not saying that both sides don’t do it to greater or lesser degrees, or anything like that – just that I don’t think that that many folk gave a shit.
     • Draco T Bastard 3.2.1

       13 August 2014 at 5:29 pm

       Ordinary people tend to not be listened to any more, I think. The polly/decision maker makes the right sounds to indicate that their shit doesn’t stink, then continues on business as usual.

       QFT
   • Tracey 3.3

     13 August 2014 at 2:50 pm

     i agree with everything you wrote until the comma on the third last line.
   • Clemgeopin 3.4

     13 August 2014 at 3:04 pm

     Our democracy and freedom of expression now seems to be given a serve by a bunch of fearful, biased, controlling, dictatorial, cowardly, politically correct, humourless, thin skinned, egotistical self important little nit wits infesting MSM and various avenues and entities of political discourse….just because they have the ‘power’ to frame an issue as they want, to twist it as they desire and feel smug doing whatever they want, no matter how unfair.
   • Draco T Bastard 3.5

     13 August 2014 at 4:24 pm

     I believe you need to read this.
4. One Anonymous Bloke 4

   13 August 2014 at 1:38 pm

   This story deserves a wider airing. The Rotary club in question needs a chance to publicly distance itself from the trash currently mismanaging it.
5. Macro 5

   13 August 2014 at 1:44 pm

   Mind you, if there is the chance to publish a photo of the incumbent National MP holding a pussy cat – well what more is there to say?!
6. weka 6

   13 August 2014 at 1:44 pm

   Thank god for admin mistakes.
7. Johnny on the spot 7

   13 August 2014 at 2:31 pm

   Having left West Auckland over a year ago, I am impressed with the Opunake Coastal News coverage
   http://www.opunakecoastalnews.co.nz/Elect_Mag/August%207%202014/index.html
8. Tom Jackson 8

   13 August 2014 at 3:00 pm

   My mother belongs to Rotary. I cannot understand why she, as a lifelong Labour voter would, as it seems to be composed of ignorant, elderly fascists.
9. just saying 9

   13 August 2014 at 3:10 pm

   About five years ago a friend in Auckland became politicised around a couple of issues that had touched her personally, and which she came to know a lot about. She disagreed with the editorial line in The Herald on the issues and started writing letters to the editor in which she presented an alternative point of view argued clearly and backed up with facts. She writes a lot with her job and she writes very well but she never had a letter published. She noticed that the few letters published that disagreed, as she did, were badly written and incoherent while the many letters in agreement with the Herald were usually much more cogent and literate.
   After a while, she tried an experiment. She wrote a truly dreadful letter which didn’t make much sense at all, in support of her opinion. Sure enough the Herald published it.

   Balance – Herald style
10. TightyRighty 10

    13 August 2014 at 4:02 pm

    from one email you assume all suburban broadsheet editors are quivering in fear? you lot see a conspiracy everywhere don’t you?

    so pathetic. just another example of pot calling the kettle black and then having a moan as its against the left.
    • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1

      13 August 2014 at 5:04 pm

      No: from one email it’s clear that a typical National Party supporter thinks they open and close the gate, which funnily enough, is about all they’re good for.
11. tricledrown 11

    13 August 2014 at 4:16 pm

    Tighty almighty your just the prospect street thug who needs to be seen defending the indefensible!
12. Glenn 12

    13 August 2014 at 4:55 pm

    I belonged to a service club (not Rotary) for 15 years The local national party M.P. was a regular speaker. No other party candidates or MPs were considered and none were invited.
    When I first joined the club was a good mixture of folk, manual workers (like myself), teachers and professional folk. By the time I left only the latter were left. 4 years after I left the club folded.
    I left because I could no longer stand the bigotry and racism that was more suited to what one would expect in a 1950s Gentlemens Club. I suspect those that had left felt the same.
    I regret I had never quit years earlier.
13. vto 13

    13 August 2014 at 5:03 pm

    You know, this shit doesn’t occur all over the place. Local rags I consume with great vigour generally because they can have more flavour and more guts than the bland big daily daisies like the Press.

    The best example of this is the Greymouth Star and its cuz the Hokitika Guardian. They are the best way to get the full flavour of the community. Funny, accurate, forgiving, informative, knowledgeable, funny,,, such great waze to start and end the daze.

    I’m sure there are more around the country.

    The demographic reflected in the interchange expressed in this post has its place in the world, and that place is well known now. It affects nothing.

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