Hone Harawira’s speech

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1. grumpy 1

   10 March 2011 at 4:17 pm

   Good at making speeches but can’t be bothered voting?
   • Carol 1.1

     10 March 2011 at 4:40 pm

     Probably not so much that he couldn’t be bothered, but he’s used to someone else lodging the votes on behalf of the Maori Party. Put all his efforts into the speech.
   • Craig Walsham 1.2

     10 March 2011 at 4:44 pm

     And practically the difference it would have made to the outcome if he had cast a vote against it 00000000.
     So back to the issue the Maori Party has sold out and Hone knows it foreshore.
     • Rob A 1.2.1

       11 March 2011 at 1:10 pm

       Going by that theory its a bit pointless having an opposition then isn’t it
2. SHG 2

   10 March 2011 at 4:36 pm

   Shame! Dumb! Doh!

   — Hone Harawira
3. bbfloyd 3

   10 March 2011 at 4:43 pm

   well said hone…. i hope it resonates around the chamber…. not likely considering what you’re up against, but one can hope….. hopefully you won’t have to put up with idiots ignoring you simply on the basis that you didn’t vote when it would have been a futile gesture anyway… they’re just reactionary dittoheads,,, but there’s a lot of them..
4. higherstandard 4

   10 March 2011 at 5:28 pm

   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10711225

   The different parties views on the legislation is worth a look
5. neoleftie 5

   10 March 2011 at 5:38 pm

   one wonders if this issue is nothing more than a kicking bag, slowly deflating, that will get a kick and some more air from every successive government.
6. ianmac 6

   10 March 2011 at 5:50 pm

   At times Hone has pointed out the odd and unjust rights that some (rich?) folk have to own beach and foreshore, onto which you enter at your peril. The wharf and industrial needs are understood but some rich chap with a flash house can buy full and complete ownership? Can understand the fury of Hone with the Bill.
   • neoleftie 6.1

     10 March 2011 at 7:50 pm

     That ianmac is something that i find distressing – private individual ownership of the foreshore. I say honor the treaty, at least in maori iwi community ownership it cant be sold to overseas interests and sold and resold as a commodity.
7. Descendant Of Smith 7

   10 March 2011 at 9:57 pm

   The whole approach to this since Labour passed their silly piece of legislation has always bemused me.

   I saw absolutely nothing wrong with Maori going to court to test their rights to the foreshore and seabed in the first place and saw Labour’s move as completely unnecessary.

   And as to having prove continuous use since 1840 WTF is that about. I thought Maori were here before 1840 – did not realise they arrived here when we did. Surely use prior to 1840 is much more relevant – you know before their land was taken through legal or often illegal means.

   Before some of the traditional areas used were taken or sold, before the locals were displaced, before land was taken from hapu that resisted the colonisers and was given to those that supported the colonisers for their own reasons, before private ownership rather than collective ownership became the norm.

   And if we are going to deprive one part of the population of their ownership of land such as the seabed and foreshore to place that land in common use for all to use in perpetuity then lets deprive them all – private landowners as well.

   The hypocrisy of those who are concerned that Maori won’t allow them usage when all over this country there are private owners who already don’t is just astounding. I have much much more faith in hapu/iwi willingness to share than I do in wealthy landowners who have their own private little beach – often not because they own the beach but because they own the access points.

   But then that is part of the racism inherent in this whole thing isn’t it – that Maori rights are somehow less important, that the treaty was with a defeated race bowing to the white conquerors cause they had no choice – you know such as with American Indians – rather than a treaty with a race of local indigenous people far more numerous than the settlers with whom the treaty was made. Racism that assumes that Maori while much larger in number bowed to the superior white man intelligence and cultural superiority – the whole taming of the savage beast.

   The same Victorian moral superiority that sees charity as better than welfare, that same moral superiority that says you are poor because you want to be, the same moral superiority that says women are responsible for pregnancy – why it’s reared it’s head again in this much more knowledgeable, enlightened world puzzles me – though I know deep down it’s because the congruency between the wealthy and the fundamentalist religious right has re-birthed in globalisation – having lost much of it’s power and influence in the post colonisation period.
   • Adele 7.1

     11 March 2011 at 8:54 pm

     Teenaa koe, Descendant of Smith

     This is such an excellent post. Thank you.
8. todd 8

   10 March 2011 at 9:57 pm

   I can’t help but feel a bit sad that the Maori party is disintegrating. A lot of good people put a lot of effort into getting that party on their feet and now they look like they wont be around after the next election. What a waste. All because National has divided and conquered like the bad old days. Haven’t they learned anything?
   • felix 8.1

     10 March 2011 at 10:43 pm

     You get in bed with the Nats, you’re gonna get fucked.

     It’s not like we didn’t all warn them. I’m just glad the Greens got out with little more than a treatable STI.
     • chris73 8.1.1

       11 March 2011 at 6:16 am

       I think you mean any minor party that get into bed with a major party is gonna get fucked
   • Marty G 8.2

     11 March 2011 at 12:21 am

     I think a lot of people on the left supported a left Maori Party having a crack but the first worries came early when Turia said they weren’t left or right, those were Pakeha constructs and they were for all Maori.

     You can’t get far attempting to ignore the materialist divide that is the fulcrum of politics, the internal contradictions have ended up tearing them apart …

     but not before they had done a lot of harm to their people, to the idea that a Maori party can be successful, and to their supporters’ belief in the parliamentary process as an avenue to effect change.
   • the pink postman 8.3

     11 March 2011 at 4:31 pm

     I agree Todd ,a golden opportunity for Maori to have an effective voice has been scuttled by Turia and Sharples. The vain showmanship and slimy behavour of Turia has show her up for what she is , a self interested social climber.This woman with her unnatural hatred of Helen Clark has put the Maori Party on the skid. The blame for their demis is due entirely to this nasty woman. Its very sad and I for one am not only sorry but angry . The trouble is its beyond repair now and the chance for a better Aotearoa for both Maori and the rest of us has been blown. I just hope that the Maori population will remember this traitorous action by just a few .
9. deemac 9

   11 March 2011 at 12:12 pm

   It is irrelevant that HH’s vote would have made no difference – on that basis no-one would ever take a stand unless they were sure of winning. Remembering to vote is a key part of an MP’s job and as far as I’m concerned this episode just epitomises Hone’s lack of suitability for the role.
10. Treetop 10

    11 March 2011 at 3:14 pm

    There is no place for window dressing when it comes to the Marine and Coastal Area Bill. The vote has to be 99 % in agreement. The bill in its current form is divisive.

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