Mana enhancement – fail

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1. the sprout 1

   2 April 2009 at 10:51 am

   Sell outs indeed.
2. Tigger 2

   2 April 2009 at 11:19 am

   Dead rats – swallow hard guys.
3. Daveski 3

   2 April 2009 at 11:41 am

   It must be tough for you guys seeing the Maori Party in the Treasury benches.

   Let’s have a look at their options – they could have ministerial posts and ask the odd patsy question (you’re telling me Labour politicians have never asked patsy questions).

   Or side with Labour and … and … tell me – what exactly did the MP get from Labour??

   I think you’ll find that Hone Harawira said he’d rather be stabbed in the front that the back so he’s pretty much nailed it.
4. the sprout 4

   2 April 2009 at 12:32 pm

   ah… yeah Daveski. I think you’ll find what Hone Harawira said was:

   “He’s a smiling snake, that’s how I see John Key… None of his policies in respect of Maori have changed since Don Brash’s time”

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipmtupBjWw4

   he certainly is an astute judge of character. and one Maori Party MP that isn’t a sell out.

   is that what you meant Daveski?
5. George Darroch 5

   2 April 2009 at 1:08 pm

   Hone’s a genuine character, one of the people I trust most in Parliament, and I don’t think he’s having an easy time with this Government.

   We’ll see what happens.
6. Daveski 6

   2 April 2009 at 1:09 pm

   You know what I meant but a good attempt at diversionary tactics.

   Part of politics is patsy questions – your lot do it too.

   Have the MP got enough from their relationship with the Nats? Time will tell.

   It’s a little strange this far into MMP that you still think every coalition partner should agree with every policy.

   I’m still not sure how being stuck in opposition or being referred to as the last cab off the rank is particularly mana enhancing.
   • Daveski 6.1

     2 April 2009 at 1:16 pm

     “Mr Harawira has responded, saying there have been more positive approaches from National in the past three days than from Labour in the past three years. He says he does not “give a stuff’ what Labour’s position is. Mr Harawira has responded, saying there have been more positive approaches from National in the past three days than from Labour in the past three years. He says he does not “give a stuff’ what Labour’s position is.”
     • George Darroch 6.1.1

       2 April 2009 at 3:14 pm

       That was November.

       The Labour Party certainly alienated many sections of Māori, acting as if they had the rights to their votes and support, and if they want them back from the Māori Party they’ll have to work for them.

       This doesn’t mean that the Māori Party shouldn’t be criticised however when they fuck up – as they clearly have here.
7. Shona 7

   2 April 2009 at 1:15 pm

   And what have the majority of Maori gained from the Maori Party crawling into bed with Nact Daveski ???? A promise for a ” review ” of the seabed and foreshore act that we all know will amount to 3/5th’s of F**k All. The resulting huge loss of mana by the MP from their inept deal with National has embarrassed and appalled many of their followers.
   • Daveski 7.1

     2 April 2009 at 1:25 pm

     As I said, time will tell. I suspect your comments reflect your political affiliations rather than a genuine MP perspective.

     Keep in mind that it benefits Labour to undermine the MP so I take any comments here about the MP with more than a grain of salt.
     • Pascal's bookie 7.1.1

       2 April 2009 at 1:32 pm

       That should be the mP Daveski (and others). Just saying. Small m.
       • Daveski 7.1.1.1

         2 April 2009 at 1:37 pm

         http://www.maoriparty.org/

         Some diverging opinion pB 😉
         • Pascal's bookie 7.1.1.1.1

           2 April 2009 at 1:45 pm

           heh, yeah, fair enough, and there’s the logo.

           I was talking to someone before the election, fairly close to tthings, who was fairly adament that it’s all a small ‘m’. The idea being that it’s not about the ethnicity, and that maori also means normal. But maybe they’ve changed, or my friend was wrong.
       • Daveski 7.1.1.2

         2 April 2009 at 1:54 pm

         Just responding to your point above which is one that I wish more people would understand.

         As you say Maori means “normal” in the sense that that was what Maori/maori were before Europeans. Indeed, the tribe is and always paramount.

         It is also why I take no offence at Pakeha – it’s a perfect foil for Maori.

         End of linguistics 101 and nice joint diversion PB (I have to be consistent and criticise myself now!)
         • ripp0 7.1.1.2.1

           2 April 2009 at 3:14 pm

           linguistics 101

           What maoris were there before europeans?

           I have a global interest.. besides which calling your accuracy to account is deserving a forthright answer.
     • the sprout 7.1.2

       2 April 2009 at 2:28 pm

       it benefits ACT a lot more to undermine the Maori Party
       • Dean 7.1.2.1

         2 April 2009 at 7:51 pm

         I think you’ll find that the party who benefited the most from undermining the Maori party was – drum roll please – Labour.
8. George Darroch 8

   2 April 2009 at 1:16 pm

   Actually, it’s worse than you’ve made out, Eddie. There’s a four dollar an hour wage gap between NZers on average and Māori.

   The stats I have (pdf) are from 2007, but that gap isn’t likely to have changed in real terms since then, as that four dollar gap persisted for most of the decade. (Of course, in percentage terms Māori are improving, thankfully).

   Given that the Māori unemployment rate is double that of the rest of the population, there are going to be plenty more as a percentage who get absolutely nothing.

   So, tax cuts for Pākeha, much much less so for Māori.

   No wonder Māori have been going to Australia in such numbers, where there’s the chance to earn decent wages.
9. Tim Ellis 9

   2 April 2009 at 1:42 pm

   Come on Eddie. Labour’s record of appointing Maori MPs to non-existent ministerial positions was hardly mana-enhancing either.

   The one question Mahara Okeroa asked during the entire last Parliament is here at http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Debates/Debates/6/6/b/48HansD_20060314_00000017-Questions-for-Oral-Answer-Questions-to-Ministers.htm

   There you will see a number of Labour’s Maori Caucus engage in “mana enhancing” patsy questions.

   George, you make very good points. The incomes, health and educational outcomes and unemployment levels of Maori are significantly worse than non-Maori. That doesn’t stop Labour from allowing its Maori MPs to stand up in Parliament and give Labour Ministers the chance to crow about how well they are doing for Maori.
   • Matthew Pilott 9.1

     2 April 2009 at 1:53 pm

     “Labour did it too” defence. Instant fail.

     Post had nothing to do with Labour, Labour have nothing to do with “mana enhancement” deals as such. Strawman argument. Epic fail.
     • Daveski 9.1.1

       2 April 2009 at 2:36 pm

       You can’t denigrate someone for doing something you do – line 2 patsies. You did read the original post, didn’t you?
     • Dean 9.1.2

       2 April 2009 at 7:39 pm

       “”Labour did it too’ defence. Instant fail.

       Post had nothing to do with Labour, Labour have nothing to do with “mana enhancement’ deals as such. Strawman argument. Epic fail.”

       How about the “we won, you lost, eat that you chinless scarf wearing feral last cabs off the rank” defence?

       Honestly MP, you’d give an asprin a headache.
       • Matthew Pilott 9.1.2.1

         2 April 2009 at 9:44 pm

         Can you please try and make your point again, Dean. That really makes no sense at all, maybe I’m just tired but it seems you couldn’t give anything to anything with nonsensical statements like that…

         Out of interest, I like your subtle support for Labour. Such an obstinate type, yet the only things you use in attack are from 3 and 5 years ago, apart from the other two bits from another millenium. Should I start attaking National based upon Muldoon’s drunkenness to make them look good and balance out your inadvertent support? I could try and find some equally relevant select quotes from the 30’s if you’d like.

         Daveski, tenuous at best I reckon. Remember who’s enhancing their Mana by asking those patsies.
10. gobsmacked 10

    2 April 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Daveski

    “Part of politics is patsy questions – your lot do it too.”

    Quite true. But the Maori Party claimed that their deal with National enabled them to maintain their independence. ACT have the same deal, and have asked plenty of critical questions in the House (e.g. Douglas, Garrett). This does not threaten their support for the gov’t on confidence and supply.

    The problem is not that the Maori Party did a deal with National (who already had the numbers to govern). It’s that they’ve done a dumb deal. They’re betting everything on National delivering the Foreshore & Seabed. They’re going to lose.
    • Daveski 10.1

      2 April 2009 at 1:56 pm

      I agree – the real acid test will be what the MP has got out of being part of government. To that end, it serves National’s purpose to deliver MP objectives and that’s where it gets interesting.
      • George Darroch 10.1.1

        2 April 2009 at 3:15 pm

        I reckon they won’t lose on that matter. Not without leaving the Government, anyway.
        • the sprout 10.1.1.1

          2 April 2009 at 3:51 pm

          i predict the Maori Party will get what concessions they can then withdraw from the coalition by the end of year 2.
          they won’t get bugger all out of the seabed and foreshore review, it’d be too costly to National to allow them any meaningful concessions.
11. Dean 11

    2 April 2009 at 7:36 pm

    “I don’t get what Hone Harawira is doing hanging around these sell outs.”

    It could be because the last time a government had a chance to have him help form a government he was called a hater and a wrecker, along with being the last cab off the rank.

    You people have such short memories that you honestly do Orwell proud.
    It’s like you actually can’t remember what’s been said or done in the past. It’s either that or push some party line while being willfilly ignorant.

    “She was too ashamed to defend tax cuts she had voted for.”

    That’d be like every Labour MP being ashamed of the EFA, or S92a.

    Get a grip.

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