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Middle east Teenagers

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Recent news from Israel makes you wonder about the State of Israel.

The first is about Palestinian teenager Ahed Tamimi.  She recently celebrated her 17th birthday but unlike most teenagers she did this from behind bars.  Why is she there?  Because she hit and kicked Israeli soldiers.  The blows were not hard and no injury was caused.

Why did she do this?  To protest the continued illegal occupation of Palestinian land by Israeli forces.  And there are some very personal reasons.  Her 14-year-old cousin Mohammed Fadl al-Tamimi was shot in the face a couple of days before the incident and badly wounded.

Israeli propagandists have accused her of engaging in performances designed to discredit the state of Israel.  Funny really but shooting kids in the face and subjugating your people to tyranny and oppression can have an adverse effect on the way teenagers feel about a neighbouring state and make them behave in unusual ways.

She is still in custody.

The second is about three Israeli teenagers wanting to engage in legal action against a couple of Kiwis for urging Lorde not to play in Israel.  The request was successful although proving causation would be very difficult to achieve.  From Radio New Zealand:

Jewish New Zealander Justine Sachs, and Nadia Abu-Shanab, from a Palestinian family, wrote an open letter to Lorde last year asking her to join the artistic boycott of Israel.

The singer later cancelled her concerts there.

“If Lorde had the guts to come here … she’d see Israel is the most democratic state … in the Middle East.” – Nitsana Darshan-Leitner

Law firm Shurat HaDin was filing a case under an Israeli law allowing civil lawsuits against anyone calling for a boycott of the country, its lawyer Nitsana Darshan-Leitner said.

She said it would seek $US15,000 for “mental harm” to three 17-year-old teenage girls who were hurt by the cancellation of the show.

However, the two New Zealanders said in a letter they had not formally heard anything about it.

“As far as we are concerned, this ‘case’ has no legitimacy,” they said.

Strange that a supposed democratic state would pass a law purporting to make people in a foreign country liable in damages for exercising their right of freedom of expression guaranteed in that country.

The law centre involved, Shurat HaDin-Israel Law Center, has close links to the Israeli Intelligence agency Mossad.  From Vice:

The centre, which works under the tagline “BANKRUPTING TERRORISM—ONE LAWSUIT AT A TIME” pursues cases in international courts against Israel’s enemies. It has previously named Palestinian authorities, Iran, Lebanon’s Hezbollah and North Korea as defendants in lawsuits it has brought.

The organisation has close links to Israeli intelligence organisation Mossad, according to the Law Centre’s head Nitsana Darshan-Leitner.

Darshan-Leitner told Reuters last year that after her law centre began suing Palestinians over attacks during a revolt in 2000, she was invited to Mossad headquarters for a consultation.

“I explained to them what we do, how and where lawsuits are filed, what evidence and jurisdiction is required, the general rules,” she said. “Their response was: What do we have to do to file more lawsuits? What do you need?”

Darshan-Leitner told Reuters that contact evolved into regular briefings with the agency.

Andrew Geddis in his clear scholarly way has analysed the legal issues.  His basic advice is that the law is problematic and that it is best for Justine and Naida to do nothing.

The contrast is juddering.  Israeli teenagers can sue for compensation for not being able to go to a music concert.  Palestinian teenagers can expect to be shot or detained if they stand up against Israeli tyranny.

If Justine Sachs and Nadia Abu-Shanab are approached by Israeli lawyers can I suggest to them they use the response pioneered in the case of Arkell v Pressdram.

Update:  A response from Justine and Nadia has been brought to my attention.  They say:

With our open letter to Lorde we joined a chorus of millions of people across the world who are calling for justice and peace in Israel/Palestine. People who know the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign is a legitimate, non-violent strategy to pressure Israel into ending its occupation and apartheid regime. No intimidation tactics can or will stifle this growing movement. The reality of the situation speaks for itself. Today we’ve been overwhelmed with supportive messages from across New Zealand and the world. New Zealanders value fairness and being able to think for ourselves as a country. We won’t be told what to say. Instead of scaring us, these bullying tactics only embolden us and make it self-evident that there is a right and wrong in this situation. We are proud to stand for what is right.

60 comments on “Middle east Teenagers ”

  1. One Anonymous Bloke 1

    From what Prof. Geddis says, the last thing Justine Sachs and Nadia Abu-Shanab should do is make contact with anyone connected to this little stunt.

    …if the case is ever brought before an Israeli court, those authors should simply ignore it, because if they do try to participate then they run the risk of enabling any judgment to be enforced here in New Zealand.

    …but that passage doesn’t do the whole piece justice.

    Israeli Defence Forces now appear to be relying on poor snowflakes so, so very much disappointed they didn’t get to see a music concert that they now need lots of money to feel better…


  2. Keepcalmcarryon 2

    Gods chosen people at it again.

  3. esoteric pineapples 3

    A lot of Lorde fans who have never given a thought to Israel before will get a negative impression of the country from this

  4. Bill 4

    If a 17 year old punched and kicked a cop in NZ, they’d likely be arrested and charged. At trial, I doubt extenuating circumstances would carry much weight. If the 17 year old had a history of goading cops or such like and securing international coverage off the back of it, then I’m thinking the supposedly impartial legal system would be pissed.

    Maybe instead of a NZ context, think a photogenic Irish Catholic kid in Belfast during the troubles “going” British soldiers and being subjected to British court system.

    And then, what if the same 17 year old had been adopted as a “poster child” by international NGOs critical of British occupation?

    Regardless of my opinions on the rights and wrongs of individual actions and state responses, I’m going to be pissed at the NGOs for creating a vulnerable target for the state; for creating a martyr to better peddle their cause.

    And I am.

    The second issue about Justine and Nadia – this was commented on yesterday on “Open Mike” by Adrian Thornton. To expand a little. The broad argument presented to the public by the Israeli state (one of being victimised) was and is entirely predictable and comes down to leveraging off the core demands of the BDS movement.

    They (BDS) want Israel eliminated. The BDS movement calls for boycotts to push its demand for a “Right of Return” which, given we’re talking an influx of millions, guarantees the destruction of the Israeli state one way or another. And Israelis are never going to sit back and let that happen or agree to it (understandably) and are going to point to how fucked up the proposition is (which it is).

    And there goes the wider public support.

    Creating a Muslim state of Israel doesn’t fly. If you think it would result in a secular state, you might want to look to the fact that western governments have been busy destroying secular states in the Middle East and North Africa.

    BDS also calls for a boycott as a way to end to the situation of there being “second class citizens” in Israel…as though there are no “second class citizens” in the US, Germany, UK, NZ, Canada…(So, why not a boycott of those places too?)

    I guess I’ll probably attract mis-guided opprobrium off the back of this comment. So just to be clear, all I’m pointing to is the fact that those rightfully opposing the actions and policies of the state of Israel have stupidly and unnecessarily handed the state of Israel a loaded gun or two with which they can shoot down any stirrings of broader public support.

    • Paul Campbell 4.1

      but these are not cops, these are soldiers taking part in an illegal occupation going into people’s private homes, shooting their relatives.

      If we were occupied, say by Japan in WW2, you would be cheering those brave souls who stood up to the occupiers, just as we now lionise the Free French, and the Jewish partisans, who fought against Hitler

      • Bill 4.1.1

        Yeah okay Paul. They ain’t cops. But like I said – consider Belfast, an Irish Catholic kid and British soldiers.

        I thought my comment was clear. My comment (the second part) is about fairly predictable and obvious political machinations around gaining/losing wider public support for pressuring Israel on its policies.

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          It’s a double edged sword: extreme positions can affect the credibility of a wider movement, while also dragging the Overton Window in their direction. In these cases, people are just as if not more likely to see the Israeli actions in a poor light, well before they learn all the details of BDS’s position.

          • Bill

            Calling for a boycott over illegal settlements and occupation works and will succeed in terms of garnering widespread public support.

            Calling for a robust two state settlement process and underpinning it with a boycott movement would also probably enjoy widespread support.

            But the same can’t be said for a position that entails the destruction of Israel, or for a position that singles out Israel among all other nations for having second class citizens.

            It’s beyond me that those last two things are “gifted” to the state of Israel in what is essentially a battle for hearts and minds.

        • Paul Campbell

          The real problem was that Israel was founded on the pushing out of a whole lot of people from their homes into refugee camps, and they’re still there 70 years later, what was a short term thing that should have been resolved within a decade has become a multigenerational thing, something that has become an important part of Palestinian culture … it’s why we have Palestinian refugees being resettled in NZ right now.

          Conflicts that become multi-generational are particularly difficult things to finish – Belfast is a wonderful example (and a wonderful example of how to solve it), if only Tito’s Yugoslavia could have kept a lid on their solution until the older generation passed away we wouldn’t have seen the Balkan war – that one still isn’t finished.

          Israel isn’t going to make this go away by sending troops into people’s home, there needs to be some genuine give and take on both sides, and so long as Israel keeps on electing right wing governments they’re just digging their hole deeper – they need some pressure on them from somewhere .

          Boycotts worked well on South Africa, eventually their government realised that their position was impossible, as kiwis we’re still proud of what we did in ’81 (and the economic boycott before and after, I still own some now useless wine wholesaler shares). Of course we should be doing the same for Israel – it’s obvious that it has an effect even if it’s from this bizarre reaction.

          • Rosemary McDonald

            “…what was a short term thing that should have been resolved within a decade…”

            What would resolution have looked like?

            • Paul Campbell

              recompense for people whom lost their houses and land, citizenship, voting, equality, civility …. apologies …. all the usual stuff we expect in the western democracy Israel pretends to be

              • Bill

                My understanding is that Palestinians within Israel’s borders were and are offered the right to Israeli citizenship. Citizenship confers voting rights. (I don’t know the number of countries that allow citizens, but not permanent residents to vote.)

                Palestinians within Gaza and the West Bank vote for their own governments.

                Compensation? Absolutely.

                But then (as has been pointed out to me) what about compensating Jews who were expelled from Arab/Muslim countries following ’47? These people are/were also innocent pawns and victims of geo-political bullshit (~850 000 between ’48 and the early 70s)

                • Paul Campbell

                  Many Palestinians were expelled from Israel as it was created, others escaped from the terrorism by groups who’s leaders who later became leaders of the Israeli government … only to find that their homes and land were taken, without compensation … they became refugees and didn’t get citizenship in the country where their stolen homes were located.

                  Yes of course people Jewish, Palestinian, everyone should receive recompense if their property is stolen, if they are deported, their lives turned upside down, there’s nothing special about being Palestinian, or about being Jewish …. after all isn’t that what all the Treaty settlements in NZ are all about, it’s never too late to make things right

      • Wayne 4.1.2

        The occupation is not, of itself, illegal. It is the result of Israel winning the 1967 war, which is not regarded as an illegal war. In fact Jordan attacked Israel, and then lost, to the extent that Israel took over that part of the West Bank which had been part of Jordan. Jordan did not want it back when it did its peace deal with Israel on the basis that it would become the future state of Palestine.

        Israel does have to conduct the occupation according to international law regarding occupations. That means not incorporating the occupied territories into the state of Israel. Many of the settlements would be in breach, but not all. However Israel has not legally incorporated the West Bank into the state of Israel. They don’t because they know they will be in serious breach of international law. Which does actually matter to them.

        Clearly occupied people will resist an occupation, so it will never be policed in a normal civil way. Hence the use of soldiers. However their activities are governed by international law.

        As for the law suit. My experience of Israelis (on my visits there) is that the great majority of them will not tolerate for a moment the BDS movement. They see it as the first step in the destruction of Israel. And they raise example of the Holocaust as to to why anything that threatens Israel must be resisted right at the outset. So they (or at least some of them) will publicly take action against BDS supporters. And it seems to me that Israelis have become more militant on this and other issues in recent years. Hence why they keep electing Netanyahu.

        Obviously the law suit has no effect in New Zealand. But if the law suit is successful (which is not a given) then if Sach and Abu-Shana visit Israel, they may have to pay any damages awarded. However, Israel is also adopting a policy of not giving visas to the most active supporters of BDS. So a visit might be moot anyway.

        • lprent

          In short, a publicity stunt.

          The problem with the ‘occupation’ is that Israel seems over decades to have had no real intention of actually withdrawing. In fact all of their actions from the way that the occupation is ‘policed’ with the internal security harassment into effective ghettos (I guess that comes from their history) to the way that they actively extort land illegally or with dubious legality, that they have defacto illegally taken the land rather than occupying it.

          As far as I am concerned the best things that could be done at present to resolve the west bank occupation are to provide money for arms for resistance to the occupation and a widespread boycott. In other words, I can’t see the Israelis ever giving up the land – they need to be removed forcibly by making it too costly in terms of life and economics.

          Otherwise I suspect at some point the Israelis look to me like they will indulge in even more ethnic cleansing and probably even resort to real concentration camps.

          That is something that I’d go a long way to prevent. Basically Israelis to me look increasingly like uncivilized barbarians.

          • Stunned Mullet

            ” Basically Israelis to me look increasingly like uncivilized barbarians.”

            Perhaps you should visit the region and have a chat to the locals before finalising your opinion.

            • Morrissey

              Perhaps you should visit the region and have a chat to the locals before finalising your opinion.

              Indeed. One of the most respected of those locals was in Auckland two months ago…

              Israel has three regimes. First, there is the “liberal democracy” which is the privilege of its Jewish citizens, but there are many threats to this. The second regime is aimed at the Palestinians—the “Israeli Arabs” who comprise 20 per cent of the population, and who have formal civil rights; they are deeply discriminated against in every way. The third regime is very different from any “liberal” posturing—this is Israel’s dark heart, the regime in the Occupied Territories. This is one of the most brutal tyrannies on Earth today, no less than that.

              —-Gideon Levy


          • Wayne


            So you have decided to support a war against Israel, since you advocate “providing arms for resistance”. Presumably a personal view. I wonder how many other regular commenters on this site are of the same view?

            And you wonder why so many Israelis are militantly against BDS? You have just proved why they see it as the thin edge of the wedge. And for many Israelis, they see it as a reminder of the 1930’s in how these things start.

            Too many BDS supporters are so militantly against Israel and their basic right to exist as a Jewish state, that the Israeli response to BDS is equally militant.

            When Israelis are given a reason to see BDS as the thin edge of the edge, then no amount of pressure is going to persuade them to listen to to an alternative view.

            Your call of war against Israel makes resisting BDS an existential issue for many Israelis. And given their history as soon as it becomes an existential issue, they will do everything in their power to defend themselves against BDS.

            • McFlock

              I support self defense against Israel, which is not the same thing as wiping it off the face of the map.

              You brought up the 1930s – seems to me that too many Israeli politicians are intent upon ghetto-ising the 1967 occupied territories. That never ends well – I’m surprised the Israelis who supposedly learn from history don’t learn that.

              To flip it around, how do you see this situation ending? People in a confined and underresourced area, alienated, beaten, mistreated, and with a growing population.

              Things will come to a head in some manner. I think the resolution will be one of liberation, negotiation, or elimination of that population (probably more towards forced evacuation rather than extermination, but even that will kill many).

              The Israelis’ behaviour strongly suggests to me that they’re after option 3.

            • mickysavage

              My take Wayne is that the Palestinian state is now running on fumes and relying on the adverse international publicity generated by the Israelis totally overreacting to teenagers doing symbolically powerful things that in practice mean very little. And the Israeli thinking the BDS is some sort of thin edge of the wedge is weird. They have won the military war but they seem to think they should occupy the moral high ground as well.

              What will it take to make Israel stick to any of the past two state deals that it signed up to and stop grinding the Palestinian state into the dust?

              • Et Tu Brute

                Remember Ariel Sharon, hardly a liberal and a horrible person at that, pulled Israel out of Gaza. All the settlements were removed. All the Jewish population relocated. Then some idiot in the Israeli government decided to destroy the Jewish businesses so Palestinians couldn’t use them. But that aside, the point is Israel withdrew from the occupied territory.

                How do we get it to do that now in the West Bank?

                And then once Israel withdraws from the West Bank, how do we keep the peace? What happens the next time a small splinter group fires a rocket, as happened in Gaza? It’s rarely Hamas or the PA engaged directly in violence.

                And one reason the West Bank is so precious is the high points which can be used to fire across the border into Israel.

                Money talks though. Just as Israel bought out the Jews in Gaza, how much would it cost to buy up every settlement in the West Bank? Sharon’s government was pounded in the polls for the cost of it, but what if there was an international peace initiative that paid for the total relocation of Jewish settlements, and a Waitangi-esqe tribunal to pay Palestinians for land lost in Israel.

            • Morrissey

              And you wonder why so many Israelis are militantly against BDS?

              They are militantly against BDS in the same way so many white South Africans were militantly against boycotts of that apartheid regime. Some people—especially politicians like you—used that “thin end of the wedge” analogy to defend that racist state as well.

          • One Anonymous Bloke

            to provide money for arms for resistance

            Instead, instruct the GCSB to disrupt and expose the racists, warmongers, and other representatives of the centre-right on both sides. We’d have enough allies on both sides, too. Throwing money and guns at the problem is what arms dealers do.

          • Venezia

            Lprent – well said.

          • Et Tu Brute

            What conflict has got better by getting worse? One day Israel and Palestinian will have to live together.

            In the meantime those arm shipments will harden Israeli voters, and be an excuse for blockades, blowing up tunnels and raids into occupied territory.

        • solkta

          “However Israel has not legally incorporated the West Bank into the state of Israel. They don’t because they know they will be in serious breach of international law.”

          More the point they would then have to give the inhabitants citizenship of Israel which would make it hard to sustain it as a “Jewish State”.

          No better for them to just systematically steal land and ghettoize the Palestinians.

          “Which does actually matter to them.”

          What they are already doing is a serious breach of international law so obviously not.

        • red-blooded

          Wayne, you know there are differences in opinion as to whether the occupation is legal or illegal. The only way Israel manages to finesse this is by claiming that these are “disputed territories” rather than occupied territories (hence the settlements to establish a claim).

          Part of the problem is that Israel sees itself as a state under siege, even if the suffering and hardship and loss of life in Palestine is hugely out of proportion to any actual harm they manage to inflict on Israel. I have taught several teenagers who would be returning to serve in the army and they simply accept that this is part of what they must do for their country. They’re often really shocked by the way most NZers see Israel and regard its government and its actions.

          It’s a hugely sad situation, and I don’t think there’s any way to resolve it perfectly. It’s not reasonable to expect Israelis to cede what is now their country – where would they go? Would they then become a stateless people again? It’s perfectly reasonable to expect them to return the occupied territories to Palestine, though, and to provide compensation and aid to help a country that’s been actively oppressed and kept in poverty to develop and find a level of economic sovereignty. A two state solution is the only way there’ll ever be a semblance of peace in the Middle East.

          In the meantime, I absolutely support boycotting Israel, even if it does tie into the siege mentality. There has to be a way to send them a message that what they are doing to their neighbours is just plain wrong.

          • Et Tu Brute

            As an honest question what were the political dynamics that enabled the then government of Israel to withdraw from Gaza? I understand they suffered terribly for it, and maybe it’s a case now of ‘once bitten, twice shy’ in regards to the West Bank. But as I remember it they paid out all the settlers, razed the settlements, and forced all Israeli’s in Gaza back into Israel.

          • Et Tu Brute

            Maybe the way forward – and the big barrier in the way is Israel’s relationship to Hamas – is to focus on an independent state of Gaza. At least they have the territorial independence. Not sure what the rules would be if one side hit the other. Israel can’t be expected to do nothing if missiles started flying again. But, neither could Gaza be expected to do nothing if Israel blockaded them again.

            BUT if there was a functioning independent Gaza – and we can’t expect both Palestines to become independent at the same time anyway – Israeli voters might start to see the benefits of peace on that border, and West Bank residents might start to see how it could work and want to move towards it.

    • Tracey 4.2

      Remember the Dunedin man, Delegat who hit a police woman and continued punching her while she was on the ground? Do not be so quick to assume we punish people who hit cops

    • Et Tu Brute 4.4

      Well said.

      I support an independent Palestinian state, or more than one if it comes to it. But I also see Israel as there, and there are generations that have grown up there, so regardless of legitimacy in the past, it is a state now – a well established, democratic state for all it’s failings. Rhetoric aside, we can’t just eliminate a state. The citizens would fight to the death. And if they didn’t, they know they’d die afterwards. So for lasting peace, Israel has to exist. Exit the BDS movement.

      Palestine (1 or 2) has to exist as a sovereign state. And it has to live in peace with Israel, and Israel has to live in peace with it.

      How do we get there? I’m not sure – but I know both sides are responsible to ratcheting up tensions. While I understand Ahed’s anger, and she’s been protesting soldiers and police for a decade or more on video – the parents film it in case something happens. I hope they do it out of fear, and haven’t prodded the daughter to risk her life like that. But I DON’T see this as helping. What does a 16 year old achieve by punching a soldier? Make them look bad? On the video the armed soldier turned around and walked off. What would Germans or Japanese have done in WWII?

      This then comes down to “jus in bello”. Palestinians have a right to resist the occupation. But we also need to look at how such a war is conducted. Children provoking soldiers isn’t a ethical military strategy. It comes down to leadership. The Palestinian Authority needs a strategy and it needs to get it’s citizens behind it, a bit like Hamas has a good leadership hold on the Gaza Strip. And this might be controversial, but if Hamas controlled the West Bank things would be different today.

      Anyway this could go on forever.

  5. Paul Campbell 5

    By saying that their goal is bankrupt terrorists through the court and then suing the two kiwis I think they are calling them terrorists for exercising their free speech rights – it’s obviously libel ….

    Really though the real thing here is the hubris that the Israeli govt can make laws to control what people do in NZ, that their sovereignty extends outside their borders, it’s the same attitude that makes them think they can send spies to NZ to steal the identities of dead babies, or as we see above occupy other countries and send their soldiers into people’s homes and take away their children

  6. red-blooded 6

    I find it amazing that any country that regards itself as a democracy would have a law such as this on its books. It’s not a crime to disapprove of Israel! Imagine if the South Africans had tried to do this during the apartheid years – their courts would have been endlessly tied up with useless cases that were just gobbling up their resources while having no effect on the people supposedly being sued. It’s a farce.

    I do take Bill’s point above, though. Isreal sees itself as under seige and they are going to try to protect their own soldiers (who, let’s remember, are also mostly teenagers – all of whom are expected to serve in the armed forces). Most people who try to work on this issue support a two state solution as the only even vaguely realistic or positive outcome. No, it won’t return all of what has been taken, but it could stop this festering on and on and destroying more people along the way.

  7. Morrissey 7

    I note that in all the “Me Too” blather at that awards ceremony last week, not one of those rich celebs pretending to be concerned for women’s rights uttered a single word in support of Ahed Tamimi.

    Not one.

    • red-blooded 7.1

      First off, the issue for the “Me Too” movement is sexual abuse (with a bit of a sideline in exploring how sexism impacts women’s lives). It’s not every bad thing that ever happened to every female person. (And “blather”? Really?)

      Secondly, how widely known is this story (and especially in the Us, which tends to run a very pro-Isreali view)?

      • Morrissey 7.1.1

        First off, the issue for the “Me Too” movement is sexual abuse (with a bit of a sideline in exploring how sexism impacts women’s lives).

        Of course Palestinian girls and women are not routinely harassed, terrorized, raped, and murdered by Israeli soldiers and settlers. Of course not. What the hell are all those Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights groups going on about?

        It’s not every bad thing that ever happened to every female person.

        Of course you’re correct. Palestinian girls and women don’t count. Of course a young woman and her family being persecuted by heavily armed soldiers has no relevance for the “Me Too” crowd. Of course not.

        (And “blather”? Really?)

        I guess you’re right. When they speak so sonorously about women’s rights, there is no reason why a Palestinian nobody should feature in their heartfelt orations. Of course those rich and privileged celebrities didn’t mention the persecution of this Palestinian girl for very good reasons. I’m sure you’ll remind us what those reasons were.

        In the same way, in 2013 RNZ National’s U.S. correspondent Jack Hitt was too busy to even mention the show trial of Bradley (now Chelsea) Manning. Really important things like Game of Thrones took priority….

        Open mike 04/06/2013

        • red-blooded

          And I’m sure they didn’t mention sharia law or genital mutilation, either, Morrisey. Women are abused in multiple ways and in all cultures. The people speaking at the Grammys were Americans, speaking to other Americans about their own culture.

          Complaining that they didn’t mention Palestine is like complaining that Women’s Refuges don’t also campaign about body image and the mental and physical harm it does to many women. They do their bit – they can’t do it all.

          • Morrissey

            Idiot. As I suspected, you are viciously prejudiced, not merely ignorant.

            • SPC

              What category of abuse of power does exercise of free speech to verbally bully others on a blog come under?

            • red-blooded

              Excuse me? Where the hell does that come from? Prejudiced against whom? You’re the one calling women speaking out against sexual harassment “blathering”!

              As it happens, I’ve always supported the right of Palestinians to their own, free state. Can you point to a comment from me in the thread above that has shown me to be “viciously prejudiced”, please? How about one that’s shown me to be “ignorant”? Because I’d take your “blathering” label and say that shows a fair amount of both of those qualities.

              • Morrissey

                Sorry, red-blooded, I realize I made a terrible mistake in imputing those motives to you. I saw the words “sharia law” and “genital mutilation” and assumed you were accusing the Palestinians of advocating those things. The mistake was all mine, a result of my tendency to skim read and react, rather than carefully checking.

                I apologize to you for my hasty and foolish actions.

                • red-blooded

                  Thanks for being big enough to reconsider and apologise, Morrissey. It does make a difference. I have no problem with disagreement and argument (it’s at the heart of most discussions on this site), but I don’t like it when things get personal, so I appreciate you pulling back from that.

                  Go well.

      • Secondly, how widely known is this story (and especially in the Us, which tends to run a very pro-Isreali view)?


    • Thirdly, people who take a stand on one particular issue aren’t thereby obligated to take concurrent stands on other issues that Morrissey might feel they ought to.

      • Morrissey 7.2.1

        No, of course not. Why should the persecution of a young girl even trouble the minds of people making fine speeches about the persecution of women and girls?

  8. mary_a 8

    The actions of Lorde and Ahed Tamimi, have once again exposed the ongoing tyranny of Israel.

    Israel has to be reigned in and held accountable for its atrocities against the Palestinian state, as well as threatening legal action against any foreign nation which exercises free speech daring to point out how barbaric Israel really is.

    Zionism has been, still is and will always to be a threat to international peace if it is allowed to continue in its current aggressive form.

  9. SPC 9

    Listen to the views expressed by the MK in this video, and understand the quite evident ambition to end Palestine.


    The strategy is to depopulate areas around Jewish settlements (use them to provoke fight or flight (resistance/resulting in imprisonment) and then reduce remaining Palestinians into a few catchments. With the economy strangled and foreign aid diminished then wait for people to migrate from the WB itself. At which point they will regard the remaining Arabs as Jordanians and deny them the vote when they annex the entire area.

  10. Keepcalmcarryon 10

    Well I’m counter suing because pretzels don’t actually taste like anything.

  11. Eco Maori 11

    Many thanks to Rihanna for getting the Australian government to donate $90 million to the cause of educating the mokos /grandchildren of OUR Papatunuku /World .Ka pai
    All the mokos of Papatunuku need a education and a lot of girls miss out on education because of the dominance of idiotic Men Kia kaha

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  • Arts and heritage venues get helping hand
    A new round of funding to support capital projects will help keep our arts and heritage sector alive and vibrant, Associate Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Kiri Allan announced today.  “Communities work hard to raise funds for arts, culture and heritage related capital projects as they add significant value ...
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  • Foreign Ministers welcome opening of New Zealand High Commission in Colombo
    New Zealand and Sri Lanka’s Foreign Ministers, Nanaia Mahuta and Dinesh Gunawardena, have welcomed the opening of the New Zealand High Commission in Colombo next week. The Foreign Ministers, who met virtually yesterday, spoke about the opening of the High Commission as a major milestone in the bilateral relationship. Both ...
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  • New Zealand to increase NZDF commitment to the United Nations Command, Republic of Korea
      The New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) will deploy three additional personnel to the Republic of Korea, increasing the size of its contribution to the United Nations Command and its Military Armistice Commission from nine to 12 personnel. “Increasing the size of our deployment to the Republic of Korea ...
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  • Wages up, unemployment down
    The Government’s efforts to secure the recovery has seen more Kiwis in jobs and higher wages, with unemployment falling to pre-COVID levels and more people in work. Stats NZ figures show unemployment rate fell to 4 percent in the June quarter from 4.6 percent in the March quarter, the lowest ...
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  • Government support screen industry with funding for sound stages in West Auckland
    Auckland Film Studios in West Auckland has received funding for a major expansion through the Government’s Infrastructure Reference Group’s (IRG) COVID-19 Response Fund. The Government is investing $30 million of a total $35 million project to construct two 2,000sqm sound stages and development of further workshops and offices, to expand ...
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  • Protecting unique land for generation next
    The Government is boosting legal protection for critically important natural habitats on private land, Minister of Conservation Kiri Allan says. “An $8 million investment over four years will see Queen Elizabeth II National Trust Ngā Kairauhī Papa (QEII) work with government agencies, councils and others to provide legal protection of ...
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  • New Zealand’s support for Fiji’s COVID-19 response continues with vaccine delivery, operational ...
    Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta has announced further support for Fiji, including funding support for nursing staff and 100,000 doses of vaccines due to arrive in country today. “Our thoughts remain with Fiji during this incredibly challenging period,” Nanaia Mahuta said. “New Zealand has funded 100,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine ...
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  • Finance Minister and RBNZ Governor agree to update MOU on macro-prudential policy
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson and Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr have updated the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on macro-prudential policy to further protect the financial system and support the Government’s housing objectives. “This change will ensure that the Reserve Bank has the flexibility to respond to emerging financial stability risks ...
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  • Government commits further assistance for drought and flood-affected rural communities
    Farmers and growers affected by this year’s drought or floods in Marlborough, Tasman, West Coat, Canterbury, Otago and the Chatham Islands will have access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPs) from today, Social Development and Employment Minister Carmel Sepuloni has announced. “The Government is committed to easing the financial pressures on ...
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  • Cook Islands youth lead Language Week
    The Cook Islands Language Week theme for 2021 highlights the vital role language plays in maintaining young people’s links to their Pacific home, said Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio.  “The Epetoma o te reo Māori Kūki ‘Āirani – Cook Islands Language Week – theme is ‘Ātuitui’ia au ki ...
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  • Progress in establishment of Aged Care Commissioner
    Recruitment for an Aged Care Commissioner will start next month, to ensure greater oversight of New Zealand’s aged care sector. “This sector is responsible for supporting a large and often vulnerable population. While most people are able to access quality care, there have been cases where that care has fallen ...
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  • New record number of homes consented
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  • Communities backed to tackle wilding pines
    Twelve community projects across New Zealand will receive a share of $2 million to carry out wilding pine control, Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor announced as part of Biosecurity Week. “Wilding pines are a serious problem that threaten many of the unique landscapes that New Zealanders value. Community groups and trusts ...
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  • Health Minister Andrew Little responding to the New Zealand Nurses Organisation's rejection of ...
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  • Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation introduced to Parliament
    Legislation has been introduced to Parliament to protect against practices intended to change or suppress someone’s sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression. Introducing the Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation Bill, Minister of Justice, Kris Faafoi, said the measures proposed were aimed at ending conversion practices which don’t work, are widely ...
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  • New kaupapa Māori mental health and addiction services to support people in central North Island
    New mental health and addiction services rolling out across the central North Island will improve outcomes and equity for Māori, Associate Minister of Health (Māori Health) Peeni Henare says. Today the Minister met with providers of the new kaupapa Māori primary mental health and addiction service, Poutama Ora, which will ...
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  • New school site for booming West Auckland
    The Government will build on a new school site in West Auckland to cope with rapid population growth in the area, Education Minister Chris Hipkins says. The Ministry is working with existing local schools to determine how the 1.5-hectare site at 279 Hobsonville Point Road will be used to support ...
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  • Trans-Tasman travel window to close at midnight tomorrow
    A further 500 MIQ rooms released for managed returnees from NSW Further Government actions announced today are balanced to provide more certainty for Kiwis wanting to return from Australia, while continuing to protect New Zealand from COVID-19, acting Minister for COVID-19 Response Ayesha Verrall says. The actions were foreshadowed last ...
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  • Govt investing millions in Hawke's Bay and Tairāwhiti schools
    Napier Boys’ and Girls’ High Schools are among those set to benefit from a $16.5 million investment in the Hawke's Bay and Tairāwhiti region, Economic and Regional Development Minister Stuart Nash announced today. The Government has set aside money in Budget 2021 to accelerate five projects in Napier, Hastings, Havelock North ...
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  • Game changing Jobs for Nature investment for Northland
    Conservation Minister Kiri Allan has announced Jobs for Nature funding for a portfolio of projects that will create ‘game changing’ gains for nature and communities across Northland/Te Tai Tokerau as part of the Government’s acceleration of the economic recovery from COVID. “This portfolio of 12 projects will see over $20 ...
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  • Third COVID-19 vaccine receives provisional approval
    New Zealand’s regulatory authority Medsafe has granted provisional approval of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine for individuals 18 years of age and older, Acting Minister for COVID-19 Response Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. New Zealand secured 7.6 million doses (enough for 3.8 million people) of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine through an ...
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    More than 1000 New Zealanders have had bowel cancer – New Zealand’s second-most-common cause of death from cancer - detected under the Government’s National Bowel Screening Programme, Health Minister Andrew Little said today. More than 1200 New Zealanders died from bowel cancer in 2017. The screening programme aims to save ...
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    The Commerce Commission’s draft report into the retail grocery sector is being welcomed by Government as a major milestone. “I asked the Commerce Commission to look at whether this sector is as competitive as it could be and today it has released its draft report for consultation,” Commerce and Consumer ...
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  • Christchurch’s Youth Hub ‘set to go’ thanks to further Government funding
    Construction of New Zealand’s first, purpose-built centre for youth well-being is ready to get underway thanks to an extra $2.5 million of COVID-19 response funding, Housing Minister and Associate Minister of Finance, Megan Woods announced today.  “The Christchurch Youth Hub is about bringing together all the things young people need ...
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  • Next step to protect Milford Sound Piopiotahi
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  • Funding for projects to reduce waste from construction and demolition
    The Government has announced funding for projects in Auckland and the lower North Island to help reduce construction and demolition waste. “Construction is the main source of waste sent to landfill, and much of this could be reduced, reused and recovered,” Environment Minister David Parker said. “The Government is funding ...
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  • Speech at the launch of the National Hepatitis C Action Plan
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  • Plan to eliminate hepatitis C as a major health threat by 2030
    A plan to eliminate hepatitis C in New Zealand, reducing liver cancer and the need for liver transplants, has been released today by Associate Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall. “Around 45,000 New Zealanders have hepatitis C, but only around half know they have it,” said Ayesha Verrall. “Symptoms often ...
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  • School upgrades and new classrooms for West Coast, Tasman and Canterbury
    A funding injection from Budget 2021 to complete four shovel ready projects and new classrooms at six schools and kura will provide a real boost to local communities, Minister Dr Megan Woods announced today. “This Government has committed to providing quality fit for purpose learning environments and 100,000 new student ...
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  • Warmer Kiwi Homes smashes annual target
    The Government's highly successful insulation and heating programme, Warmer Kiwi Homes, is celebrating a key milestone with the completion of more than 38,000 insulation and efficient heater installs in the year to the end of June, smashing its target of 25,000 installs for the year. “The Warmer Kiwi Homes scheme ...
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  • Exemption granted for Wallabies to enter NZ
    Bledisloe Cup rugby will be played in New Zealand after the Australian rugby team received an economic exemption to enter New Zealand. Travel between Australia and New Zealand was suspended on Friday for at least eight weeks following the worsening of the COVID outbreak across the Tasman. New Zealanders have ...
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  • Minister of Foreign Affairs makes three diplomatic appointments
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced three New Zealand Head of Mission appointments. They are: Mike Walsh as Ambassador to Iran Michael Upton as Ambassador to Ethiopia and the African Union Kevin Burnett as Ambassador to Indonesia Iran “Aotearoa New Zealand has a long-standing and constructive relationship with Iran, despite a ...
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  • Enhanced Task Force Green Approved for West Coast and Marlborough
    The Government has activated Enhanced Task Force Green (ETFG) in response to the West Coast and Marlborough floods, Social Development and Employment Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced today. “To assist with the clean-up, up to $500,000 will be made available to support the recovery in Buller and Marlborough which has experienced ...
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  • Govt support for upgrade of Eden Park players facilities
    Minister for Sport and Recreation Hon Grant Robertson has announced funding to upgrade the players facilities at Eden Park ahead of upcoming Women’s World Cup events. Eden Park is a confirmed venue for the Rugby World Cup 2021, the ICC Women’s Cricket World Cup 2022, and a proposed venue for matches of ...
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