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Nat state house selloff in tatters

Written By: - Date published: 7:18 am, November 23rd, 2016 - 24 comments
Categories: housing, national, Privatisation - Tags: , , ,

Another fail in National’s plan to sell off state houses is good news for those of us who believe that it is the government’s responsibility to take care of society’s most vulnerable. From RNZ:

Govt backs away from Horowhenua state house sale

The proposed sale of 249 state houses to a community housing provider in the lower North Island has fallen through.

The government, together with the district council, investigated selling the Horowhenua state houses and 115 council-owned pensioner units as a package.

However, Housing New Zealand Minister Bill English said consultation with local iwi identified complications. The government had decided not to proceed.

Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford said it was time the government stopped selling state houses.

Mr Twyford said it was the second sale to fail, after the government could not find a buyer for 348 state houses in Invercargill.

“It is untenable for National to be flogging off hundreds of state houses when the country is in the grip of a housing crisis and communities are struggling to cope with rising homelessness.” …

24 comments on “Nat state house selloff in tatters”

  1. Paul 1

    Scum rises to the top.
    And that is what is leading NZ today.

  2. Muttonbird 2

    This is going real well for Blinglish, isn’t it? Being used to failure, he’ll shrug as if it means nothing, which begs the question – why do it in the first place?

    I wonder how many millions have been spent on this pet project so far.

    • s y d 2.1

      follow the money, it ends up in Tauranga…..

    • Draco T Bastard 2.2

      Two sales have failed but how many have already been sold at far below market value?

      • Muttonbird 2.2.1

        A decent journalist needs to get onto this.

        • tc 2.2.1.1

          Good luck with that !
          None of them bothered following the plunder that went on in akl over the GI/point england flog off so why would they bother now.

          Twyford’s pissweak, this is a red hot issue and he is way too polite and bland. Get some fire inya belly or is that safe seat too comfy now phil.

          • Muttonbird 2.2.1.1.1

            On Twyford, reckon he’d probably like to go harder but has his hands tied somewhat by the ‘don’t be too negative because it turns the voters off’ brigade which seems to have a position of strength at the moment, mostly backed by Farrar and co*.

            * wellstupidweta was gushing over the politeness of the questions and answers in parliament yesterday on the most recent EQs in parliament.

            I’d say the opposition needs to ask this government more forcefully why they have next to zero airlift capability in the face of increasing seismic risk, and have absolutely no idea what is going on in Wellington and even less desire to find out.

            • Cinny 2.2.1.1.1.1

              MuttonBird i didn’t know that parliament was sitting yesterday, didn’t say it was in the timetable.

              Click to access 2016-sitting-programme-calendar.pdf

            • tc 2.2.1.1.1.2

              Yeah the nice guys approach which has worked so well the last 3 elections.

              If labour want the treasury benches they have to motivate the third who didnt vote to show up.

              Politeness and overlong nerdy statements lacking punchy slogans or sound bites plays straight into nationals hands ffs wake up labour.

        • Cinny 2.2.1.2

          For sures and also combine it with the bogus P testing on state houses, I’m really fucked off about that. How many homeless and labelled as P users due to bullshit testing? How many taxpayer dollars wasted while potential revenue gathering state housing sits empty due to the crap testing?
          How much have we paid the p testers, and associated costs with refurbishing a state house from a false P contamination claim. How many private landlords have also been taken for a ride?

          115 pension units they were going to sell? WTF? That’s the oldies FFS.

          Sorries but I’m all meows over this

          • The New Student 2.2.1.2.1

            +1 Don’t be sorry Cinny

          • gnomic 2.2.1.2.2

            Good onya but have you had direct personal experience of the P people right next door? I can’t recommend it. Once you have heard two blowhards on P raving about violence against both men and women late at night as they puffed away, it doesn’t seem that great. The thieving and violence were also negative experiences.

            True the P thing is being exploited by alarmists and DrugTestsRUS, but perhaps the providers of state housing have the right to specify no use of P in housing provided by the taxpayers? It is a very nasty illegal drug, perhaps the worst of all.

            Or are you like saying P is good, or at least not extra wicked? A very dubious claim surely.

            There seems to be some dispute about how much P residue is bad enough to require extensive rebuilding, but how about none at all as a criterion?

            What about your dwelling? Had a test for meth done?

            • Cinny 2.2.1.2.2.1

              Hiyas Gnomic. No sorry I don’t have any P users living nextdoor, 3 out of my 4 neighbours are elderly. We brought our house 3 years ago. Sometimes the people down the road have a punch up, mostly alcohol related. Havent had the other properties in our portfolio tested either, because there is no way I’d waste money on a test that isn’t reliable. Happy to pay for things like an engineering report etc because I know it is accurate.

              No I don’t condone P at all, it causes huge suffering, so please don’t twist my words. And I’ve a very open mind.

              What I am saying is the Ministry of Health have come out saying the P tests are wrong, and this I feel needs proper investigating.

              See how do they know if the current residents have used P or the prior residents? They don’t.

              Some people will do anything to make a dollar from exploiting others paranoia.

              You say… “There seems to be some dispute about how much P residue is bad enough to require extensive rebuilding, but how about none at all as a criterion?”

              How about an accurate testing method? Don’t take my word for it, how about listening to the ministry of health? Or Fair Go whom did an investigation on how bogus the tests are?

              For example someone could have handled money with a trace of P on it while working at the local dairy, they come home and those traces are then transferred to the light switch as they turn on the light, P testing company comes in the next day to test the house and boom the test is positive. See how easy it is? Person gets kicked out of the house and they have never ever even taken P. Now that would suck yes?

              https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/p-properties-fair-go-investigates-nzs-toxic-homes

              The out going government won’t be making a big deal about it, because obviously they would either be embarrassed for wasting so much money on bogus testing and clean ups. Either that or they have friends whom own the testing companies.

              Do you think the tests are accurate? If so please provide evidence to back it up.

  3. save nz 3

    Good news – but is anybody following how many the Natz have already sold, and more importantly who is benefiting (name and shame) from the ‘consultation fees” and the “sales and transfers’?

    • shorts 3.1

      there were a number of stories around this earlier in the year or last year… it didn’t look good – i.e. cronyism seemed rife or at least open to allegations of… but that was a long long time ago

      • save nz 3.1.1

        It’s a good set of stats to have around come election debate time. I’m sure Key would love to answer how they spent $4 million on consultants to sell state houses and who actually bought them if they actually got sold.

        It would be a good set of statistics to have on hand for the opposition.

  4. DH 4

    I’d like to know more about the sales that have gone through or will go through.

    The price of houses has skyrocketed in Tauranga since they started negotiating the sale of state houses there. Cheaper housing has probably more than doubled, the market value of the 1000 Tauranga state houses has likely gone up by hundred of millions of dollars. Who is making out of the deal, who gets that capital gain?

  5. mary_a 5

    Another fail for golden boy, along with his (treasonable) expensive failed flag change referendum and now his dead TPP. Not a good year so far for Johnny.

    He’s become an expensive liability for the country!

    Get him out!

  6. Treetop 6

    249 homes could have tenants in them in no time, were these homes to be returned to HNZ where they belong.

    Do the right thing National and return all the taken HNZ homes.

  7. Rae 7

    I expect that a number of these houses will have reached their use by date and have little real worth other than the land under them. If they are unoccupied and unlikely to be occupied because of location, no-one is going to want them. We probably have to suck up the loss on the buildings themselves and sell them for land value only – BUT only to first home buyers and with few or no covenants so that small, very affordable houses can be built on them. I’d put a restriction on them that they could only be rented as holiday homes or if you are away for a period of time, they could not become parts of portfolios.
    What money comes from the sale, which would be comparatively small, would have to go in its entirety, to new social houses where they are needed.
    Public purse is going to have to be seriously tapped for the true amount of social housing that is required in this country. I reckon the best part of 30% of the population could really do with housing that is not crazily overpriced.

    • Treetop 7.1

      These state homes are still habital, were they not habital they would not be sold. The criteria to live in a state home is the main problem.

  8. UpandComer 8

    I agree.

    What we really need is a situation like HNZ’s own admission in it’s 2010-11 Annual Report.

    Lets do a Labour job, and have one third of NZ’s largest asset class unliveable – rotten and eroded, uninsulated, the wrong size, in places no one wants to live. Because $5billion worth of asset wastage is fantastic. Especially when Labour had complete control – no nasty developers, or assertive Maori, or evil bankers to deal with, after all the caring intellectual Labour government was in charge.

    Lets keep state houses state owned no matter how ludicrous it is in the circumstances, because what matters is that the state owns all the houses. Even if no one is ever going to live in the house, lets keep it for the rats and the rot because in Labour, that’s what we do, and we do it well.

    National do understand it’s the government’s job to take care of the most vulnerable. They’re just one thousand times better at it then Labour.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 8.1

      As someone who remembers your first effluent on this forum, I’d just like to say that it’s nice that you’ve finally decided to be honest about your opinion.

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  • More support for Sarjeant Gallery
    Whanganui’s Sarjeant Gallery will receive an investment of up to $12 million administered by the Provincial Growth Fund to support its redevelopment, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. The project is included in a $3 billion infrastructure pipeline announced by Finance Minister Grant Robertson and Shane Jones yesterday. ...
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  • Funding for training and upskilling
    The Provincial Growth Fund is investing nearly $2.5 million into three Te Ara Mahi programmes to support Manawatū-Whanganui jobseekers and employees to quickly train and upskill, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “Up to 154 local people will be supported into employment within the first year by these ...
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  • Statement from the Minister of Health Dr David Clark
      This morning I have formally tendered my resignation as Minister of Health, which was accepted by the Prime Minister. Serving as Minister of Health has been an absolute privilege – particularly through these extraordinary last few months. It’s no secret that Health is a challenging portfolio. I have given ...
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  • Scholarship placements for agricultural emissions scientists doubles
    Scholarships for 57 early-career agricultural emissions scientists from 20 developing countries is another example of New Zealand’s international leadership in primary sector sustainability, says Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor. Mr O’Connor, announcing the scholarships today, says hundreds of applications were received for this fourth round of the CLIFF-GRADS programme (Climate, Food ...
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  • Funding for Foxton regeneration
    A project to help rejuvenate the Horowhenua town of Foxton will receive a Provincial Growth Fund investment of $3.86 million, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This funding for the Foxton Regeneration project will be used to make the well-known holiday town even more attractive for visitors and ...
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  • Plan to improve protection of moa bones
    Moa bones and other sub-fossil remains of extinct species are set to have improved protection with proposals to prevent the trade in extinct species announced the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage today. “We have lost too many of our native species, but these lost species, such as moa, remain an ...
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  • Free lunches served up to thousands of school children in the South Island
    The Government’s free and healthy school lunches programme moves south for the first time creating jobs for around 30 people in Otago and Southland. “Eighteen schools with 3000 students are joining the programme – 11 have already begun serving lunches, and seven are preparing to start during Term 3. This is ...
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  • Screen Sector recovery package protects jobs, boosts investment
    Thousands of Kiwi jobs and investment in New Zealand productions will be protected through a screen sector support package announced today by Associate Minister for Arts Culture and Heritage Carmel Sepuloni, Minister for Economic Development Phil Twyford and Minister for Broadcasting Kris Faafoi. The package also includes investment in broadcasting ...
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  • New fund to help save local events and jobs
    The Government has established a new $10 million fund for the domestic events sector to help save jobs and protect incomes as it recovers from the impacts of COVID-19, Minister of Economic Development Phil Twyford announced today. This funding from Budget 2020 follows talks with the event sector designed to ...
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  • Bill to improve fuel market competition
    The Government has taken another step in its commitment to making sure New Zealanders get a fairer deal at the petrol pump with the introduction of legislation to improve competition in the retail fuel market, says Energy and Resources Minister Megan Woods. “The fuel market study that this Government ordered ...
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  • New Zealand joins global facility for pre-purchase of COVID-19 Vaccine
    New Zealand has joined a global initiative that aims to enable all countries to access a safe and effective Covid-19 vaccine, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters announced today. The COVAX Facility was recently launched by Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance. The Alliance includes the World Health Organization, UNICEF, the World Bank ...
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  • Right to legal representation in Family Court restored today
    From today new legislation takes effect to both restore the right to legal representation at the start of a Care of Children (CoCA) dispute in the Family Court, and allow parties to those proceedings to access legal aid where eligible. During a visit to the Family Court in Auckland today, ...
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  • Transitioning to a fully-qualified home-based ECE workforce
    Home-based early childhood education (ECE) subsidised by the government will transition to a fully qualified workforce by 2025 to ensure better and more consistent quality, Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. “Quality early learning helps provide children with a strong foundation for their future,” Chris Hipkins said. From 1 January ...
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  • Criminal Cases Review Commission gets to work
    The new Criminal Cases Review Commission | Te Kāhui Tātari Ture (CCRC) has started work and can now independently investigate claimed miscarriages of justice. “Even though we have appeal rights and safeguards against unsafe convictions, from time to time our justice system does get things wrong. The design of the ...
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  • Speech by the Minister of Defence to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs
    E ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā karangatanga maha, tēnā koutou Ki a koutou Te Āti Awa, Taranaki Whānui, Ngāti Toa Rangatira, ngā mana whenua o te rohe nei, tēnā koutou Ko Te Whare Wānanga o Aotearoa ki ngā take o te Ao (NZIIA), Ko te Rōpū Tohu Tono ...
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  • Six months with baby and $20 more a week for new parents
    The Government’s increase to paid parental leave kicks in today with another 4 weeks taking New Zealand up to a full 6 months (26 weeks, up from 22 weeks) leave for new parents, and the maximum weekly payment will increase by $20pw, Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. ...
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  • Infrastructure investment to create jobs, kick-start COVID rebuild
    A new package of infrastructure investments will help kick-start the post-COVID rebuild by creating more than 20,000 jobs and unlocking more than $5 billion of projects up and down New Zealand. Finance Minister Grant Robertson and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones today outlined how the $3 billion infrastructure fund in the ...
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  • Statement on passage of national security law for Hong Kong
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters today expressed the New Zealand Government’s deep disappointment at the passage by China’s National People’s Congress Standing Committee of a national security law for Hong Kong. “New Zealand has consistently emphasised its serious concern about the imposition of this legislation on Hong Kong without inclusive ...
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  • July 1 marks progress for workers, families
    More jobs and more family time with newborns are the centrepiece of a suite of Government initiatives coming into effect today. July 1 is a milestone day for the Government as a host of key policies take effect, demonstrating the critical areas where progress has been made. “The Coalition Government ...
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  • Auckland water consent referred to Board of Inquiry
    Environment Minister David Parker has today “called in” Auckland’s application to the Waikato Regional Council to take an extra 200 million litres of water a day from the lower reaches of the Waikato River for Auckland drinking water and other municipal uses.  The call-in means the application has been referred ...
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