National – Delivering no pay rises for NZ

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   17 August 2017 at 8:55 am

   +100 Anthony

   National is absent on this.

   Labour is focussing much on cumbersome collective instruments.

   Labour needs to head straight into the “I should have got more” territory after 9 years of this lot.
   • Ed1 1.1

     17 August 2017 at 2:40 pm

     I thought at least one of Labour / Green was pushing for an increases to the Minimum Wage – that would have a flow on effect to benefits, and reduce profits.
     • WILD KATIPO 1.1.1

       17 August 2017 at 7:26 pm

       I worked as security for a company that contracted to a well known iconic NZ firm about two years ago.

       So , … this company followed suit and relocated offshore to Thailand , Mexico , Australia , USA and sundry others. Obviously much of the production side was moved to semi developed country’s to take advantage of low waged , non unionized conditions . More profit.

       And with the result ? … about a year before I started there, several thousand staff in production were made redundant. By that I mean it was well above 2000. Far more It was in fact , a staggering number of NZ’s that lost their jobs. Following that , conditions deteriorated, and take home pay for the same hours plummeted. So too did overtime rates , weekend work etc . Around that same timeframe part of the company was sold to a mega Chinese company.

       With the deregulated ‘ free’ market economy , this has been the norm . Exactly and precisely the same sort of situation that happened in the USA , and around the west.

       Donald Trump has been successful in slapping on import tariffs on company’s that choose to locate offshore to take advantage of low wages and giving tax incentives if they stay in the USA and employ Americans.

       We once had a social democracy based on a Keynesian economy that prevented much of this gutting and privatizing of SOE’s and undermining of our workforce, when the private sector played by the rules and were by and large prevented from ‘ par for the course’ exploitation of workers, – a time when previous generations had built up successful state owned assets to serve the people of NZ and provide affordable service , – and employment.

       All we are debating about today is the fallout of Roger Douglas’s ‘reforms’ from the 1980’s , – without addressing the cause.

       I have no doubt whatsoever as to the veracity of the OP ‘s stated statistics nor the harmful effects of them, – particularly on low income earners. And one solution would be to have wages adjusted / reviewed biannually or annually and fixed to the rate of inflation and based on the Consumer Price Index, – similar to how it was 33 years ago , – pre neo liberalism.

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       Steven Joyce said at the time ,…of the company that made redundant all those NZ workers :

       ” They were relatively low skilled , low paid manufacturing jobs , acknowledging’ the pain of those laid off, it was a positive transformation’ overall ” …
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       Last year the same company used $15,000,000 of taxpayers money to shore up its flagging ventures…
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   17 August 2017 at 9:04 am

   There’s a good little reminder in here that politicians have to deliver stuff, for people, if they want to get re-elected. It’s not completely comparable, but there’s a useful line here from a Guardian columnist:

   “If Trump wins again, it will be by convincing voters “the system” still cares nothing for them. He will say that it will be an eight-year job to bring his anarchic rage to bear on a smug establishment, and let him “finish the job” ”

   https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/donald-trump-supporters-liberals-sneer

   While the columnist is railing most against standard liberal responses to race and identity issues, it can also be applied to New Zealand: it’s not enough to hate someone for hating – you have to respond to the interests of those who hate.

   We have plenty of repressed rage in this country. Part of is it simply that the system doesn’t pay enough.
3. greywarshark 3

   17 August 2017 at 9:44 am

   When it comes to push or shove, we are all ordinary workers aren’t we, it’s a free democracy isn’t it, and I’m doing all right. If people want to better their situation they just have to get the right skills, work harder and don’t waste their money. /sarc

   I bet that is the specious reasoning that is heard from those who regard themselves as balanced, reasoning and intelligent. Those who can’t cobble together a more reasoned rejoinder just say that the rewards go to the people who deserve them because of their effort, or getting down to the basic dog-fight level, bare their teeth and snarl ‘B…ger off, you w…ing drop-out.’
4. Herodotus 4

   17 August 2017 at 10:07 am

   In theory as I understand, a pay rise should in general terms include CPI/Inflation + what growth (GDP) has been achieved within NZ ( on a per capita basis). Otherwise every worker (be they the PM, nurse, police or on min wage) will not be reaping the gains of the economy.
   But IMO what appears to be happening is that coys are keeping an ever increasing share of the gains in profits, whist govt assistance in the form of: WWF , Accommodation supplements are needed to increase. If pay increases are being achieved and the increased wealth/productivity benefits being shared then the need for increased govt assistance would not be required, and all going well the need for such assistance would reduce.
   http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/key-graphs/key-graph-real-gdp
5. Craig H 5

   17 August 2017 at 10:41 am

   This is basically why National can’t run an economy for everyone – workers simply don’t share in the spoils unless they earn enough to purchase assets, which given the asset inflation National policies cause, isn’t much of a given.

   The problem with running an economy with nothing for workers long term is that it breeds discontent and anger, which can then be harnessed by more radical groups. People believe they should be able to see their kids leave school equipped for success, save for an OE, return to a decent career, buy a house and start a family without it being backbreakingly expensive, and finish off with a decent retirement at 65. Increasingly, that’s not happening at the pace people believe it should, or at all, and people are getting angry. Ideally, things change democratically, but if the major political parties continue on the same trajectory, we get increasing disillusionment with politics because voting doesn’t change things, and people have forgotten how to join political parties to influence policies.

   I don’t know if Labour policies of returning to awards (the Fair Pay Agreements), more Labour Inspectors to crack down on the BS, and cutting back on long term working migrants will be enough, but those in conjunction with large scale government activity (Kiwibuild, rail plans etc) seem like a pretty good start to me.
6. adam 6

   17 August 2017 at 11:06 am

   I love the word ‘flat’ – for poor people that is a economic term which really means – y’all going backwards and they laughing at you.

   Is it one of those sick Tory jokes, where by they us the term ‘flat’, instead of being honest and saying they are smashing us down with poor wages and poor condition.

   P.S.

   Love how rent is not part of the inflation figures. So think, how ‘flat’ that is for you now.
7. millsy 7

   17 August 2017 at 11:16 am

   Keep wages down but dish out credit like lollies so everyone thinks they are doing well when they arent.
8. Stuart Munro 8

   17 August 2017 at 12:01 pm

   They have a nice reminder of this in Confucian societies. Every spring and autumn the family gathers, and children and aged parents receive gifts of money, for which they bow. Of course, sometimes times are hard for some branch of the family, and they can’t contribute – which is fine – but they don’t get the bow. Similarly governments that don’t lift the material prosperity of their citizens are not entitled to respect.
9. Draco T Bastard 9

   17 August 2017 at 12:28 pm

   This is worth mentioning again in light of this post:

   New Zealand’s real unemployed/under-employed stands at 11.8% – over double the “official unemployment rate”. That figure is not what the msm will be showing the country any time soon.

   Which begins to answer the question why – when we supposedly have low unemployment – are wages continuing to stagnate?

   It really is important to note the reason why wages are stagnating.
   • In Vino 9.1

     17 August 2017 at 7:46 pm

     +1

     It strikes me that opposition parties should use National’s slogan as the headline does. Really publicise the fact that National is delivering no pay increases for most people over the next 4 years.

     Can National deny it? Tax breaks will not significantly help those not in the rich bracket.
10. WILD KATIPO 10

    17 August 2017 at 8:16 pm

    Chris Trotter makes a very pertinent point about any Labour party or National party detractors who try to advise Jacinda Adern away from dismantling the ‘ pay as you learn’ system we have currently resulting in massive student debt … and that these ‘neo liberals ‘ in Labour may try to cite the ‘ Financial Responsibility ‘ between Labour / Greens agreement to discourage her, – despite the fact that if Adern chooses to go ahead with her intentions Labour would accrue huge dividends at the ballot box from thousands of students, helping towards a decisive victory for a Labour led govt…

    Let’s Do This NOW, Jacinda – NOT “As Finances Permit” « The Daily …
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/08/…/lets-do-this-now-jacinda-not-as-finances-permit/

    Now while this is a separate issue from what the OP has written about , the facts that in the first few years of John Keys Prime Minister-ship , he deliberately offered a sweetener to his obvious Nat party supporters by offering massive tax cuts , – financed obviously from such as the Bank of America or such like ; he was careful to never mention exactly where he got the money to do that.

    Meanwhile , effective wage increases were absent for most of his 3 terms , – that DESPITE the fact that Australian Banks ( to which most of the banks in NZ are Australian owned ) were strong and the mining boom was made possible because of the massive markets for that produce from China.

    Nothing to do with either Key or English financial stewardship at all.

    Instead, we have had increased poverty , homelessness and degradation of our core social services under National. Obviously as a justification for privatization of the same.

    A particular statement from Chris Trotter’s article regards Aderns moves towards free education is thus , and can be extrapolated to other fields as well which will have a knock on effect on wage increases , – with the caveat being that there is a corresponding adherence to an overhaul of taxation and implementing a progressive tax system instead which seeks more from high earners and corporate’s thus providing greater govt coffers ;
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    … ” The First Labour Government’s state-housing programme could never have gone ahead had Mickey Savage and his colleagues not required the Reserve Bank to, in effect, grant their government a huge overdraft ”…
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    Much of the wealth is taken out of this country by foreign owned banks and various other corporate interests, jobs and work are outsourced offshore, and taxation is light on those who should be paying more to sustain our country and weighted heavily against P.A.Y.E earners , – and employers , – due to mechanisms such as the ECA /ERA have entrenched the low wage economy. It is the capitalists ultimate dream ripe for exploitation of workers wages and conditions to extract massive profit margins with little input in return.

    And it has been aided and abetted by successive govt’s for 33 years.

    It will not be until the unfairness and impracticality of neo liberalism , – that deceptive and pernicious ideology of the elite , – is overturned by popular consent such as the example set by Jeremy Corbyn ,… that we will see some semblance of a return to a balanced, equitable economy functioning correctly as a tool for all of society .

    Talk of low wages and the wringing of hands about ‘ low productivity’ is merely addressing one of the many symptoms of an economic ideology that even the International Monetary Fund has now admitted is a failure.
11. Michael Shanahan 11

    17 August 2017 at 8:39 pm

    National talks about giving hard working Kiwis tax cuts, better that they be better rewarded for their efforts by their employers than the government, they’d be getting more and it cuts out the middle man.

    Also, wages lagging inflation ultimately means more demand for Government transfers and services.

    They say they want to get the Government out of people’s lives, they’re actually doing the opposite.
12. Zeroque 12

    19 August 2017 at 4:36 pm

    The diminishing share of returns to workers is concerning. As far as I can see National have no plan or will to intervene to alter the situation. As I’ve said previously, Labours plan to turn this around with industry bargaining will be a big task and could take quite a number of years to turn the tide. I think though that Equal Pay has a place in the plan as well. Even the one settlement we have seen so far is having quite an impact on parts of the labour market with reports of some workers actively seeking aged care work where they once would not which is prompting employers in the mental health side to consider upping wages to stem the flow. If we can achieve a few more large Equal Pay settlements of the same magnitude in several different occupations it should help wages move along.

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