National gather fuel for their political dumpster fires

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1. weka 1

   2 September 2019 at 11:24 am

   So many headline/title options but I think Idiot/Savant nailed it:

   http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2019/09/is-national-party-of-climate-arson.html
2. Tony Veitch (not etc.) 2

   2 September 2019 at 11:46 am

   We can but hope National will follow the Collins lead and go full out climate change deniers – and therefore become irrelevant.

   A rump party of a few disgruntled industrial farmers – whoop de do! A fate they so richly deserve.
   • weka 2.1

     2 September 2019 at 11:51 am

     I was thinking that for a while. Now I'm more worried because of Peters and the farming lobby. If National go fully committed here, the full power of their PR machine will be in it too.
     • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 2.1.1

       2 September 2019 at 12:24 pm

       I respectfully disagree, Weka.

       We are entering, or are already in what could be called 'an age of anxiety.' The realisation that, unless we do something pdq we could be swept away by the sheer magnitude of climate change. This is making people worried about the future and the children are leading the way – demanding, shouting for change and response. This has seeped pretty deeply into out conscious minds!

       Look to 20th September for a response which will shake the halls of power – particularly on the right. National are on a hiding to nothing as climate change deniers, notwithstanding their PR machine.
       • weka 2.1.1.1

         2 September 2019 at 12:28 pm

         what's happening on the 20th?

         I hope you are right. It's the damage that they can do in the meantime that bothers me, and how they intersect with anxiety and the people who get mean or more conservative when they are stressed.

         Remember how Chch voted post-quake? I'm going to be really interested to see what they do with the Ecan election this year.
         • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 2.1.1.1.1

           2 September 2019 at 1:09 pm

           I may have the wrong date but isn't the 20th the day of protest at the lack of action or any coherent plan to counter climate change?

           Or is it the 27th?
           • weka 2.1.1.1.1.1

             2 September 2019 at 1:13 pm

             Yep, I just didn't have the dates in my head. Pulled these from a post. SS4C probably the most active in NZ.

             Sept 5th is a Global Day of Action for the Amazon.

             School Strike For Climate on the 27th of September. This is an intergenerational general strike, which means all of us can be involved. SS4C is active in NZ and building momentum.

             Extinction Rebellion UK’s next round of actions 7 – 19 October
             • Tony Veitch (not etc.) …

               2 September 2019 at 2:18 pm

               The 27th is the one I mean.

               Perhaps a post closer to the date, urging ALL to get out and register their urgent call for political action across parties.

               Or, as one Labour politician told me, actively work for a Labour-Greens government next year (and apply the blowtorch to their posteriors!)
               • weka …

                 2 September 2019 at 2:26 pm

                 I'm hoping to write some posts.

                 That cheered me up, hearing a Labour MP talking about a L/G govt.
                 • Sacha …

                   2 September 2019 at 10:58 pm

                   The poor buggers who have to put up with Winnie gazumping them might want adults to work with instead.
       • SHG 2.1.1.2

         2 September 2019 at 7:22 pm

         Look to 20th September for a response which will shake the halls of power – particularly on the right

         Of the current Government who would you describe as being on the right?
       • Ken 2.1.1.3

         4 September 2019 at 11:11 pm

         Can we expect a renaissance 'age of Valium' to ease our passage into oblivion?
   • Psycho Milt 2.2

     2 September 2019 at 12:26 pm

     We can but hope National will follow the Collins lead and go full out climate change deniers – and therefore become irrelevant.

     They won't. Their strategy of paying lip service to the need to mitigate climate change while quietly opposing any action to mitigate it is working very well for them. When Matt King recently outed himself as a denier, he was in the Herald shortly after making a humiliating attempt to pretend he hadn't meant it – no doubt on the orders of his superiors
     • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 2.2.1

       2 September 2019 at 1:12 pm

       Then maybe we can hope that Collins will split the party – she might lead the rump, and Soimon the remainder?

       I can't see Crusher coming quietly back into the fold if she can see some political gain from espousing climate change denial.

       The end justifies the means with that woman (and with every Nat politician, for that matter).
     • mike 2.2.2

       2 September 2019 at 7:27 pm

       remember national used bogus carbon credits i think there is fat chance national will ever except there is even such a thing as climate change funny insurance industry and the us military do there is no chance new zealand will do anything the farmers will not allow it
3. Kevin 3

   2 September 2019 at 11:57 am

   National. Happy to burn down the house so they can rule the ashes.
4. Stuart Munro. 4

   2 September 2019 at 1:32 pm

   NZ businesses – the larger ones at least, have often had that "I wanna be the last dinosaur" mentality.

   Now is the time when a few long term matters have to be revised, inappropriate industries avoided or tapered off, and new ones that will form the basis of a sustainable future carefully nurtured. But the bovver boys don't want to play.

   This is the price our country pays by giving political credence to the fool who shouts the loudest. It's the ideological free market proving yet again that markets cannot be relied on to produce public good.
5. observer 5

   2 September 2019 at 1:48 pm

   "As frustrating as this is for lefties and greenies we need to resist the tendency of the left to eat its own."

   To spell it out: there is a better than even chance of a Labour-Green majority in the next term, without Winston. And after 20+ years of MMP that is the best deal we will ever have. So we can either work to get them to 61, or complain that they should be pretending they already do.

   Throwing toys out the cot is sheer self-indulgence, and the biggest gift National could ask for. Anybody who does that deserves the same contempt as the deniers.
   • weka 5.1

     2 September 2019 at 2:28 pm

     sorry, who is throwing their toys out of the cot?
6. AB 6

   2 September 2019 at 2:00 pm

   1. Say it's not happening/a hoax
   2. Say it is happening but it's natural cycles not anthropogenic
   3. Say it is anthropogenic but the scientists are alarmists and it doesn't need urgent action
   4. Say it is serious, but there are/will be technology solutions and we need to invest in those and not 'crash the economy'
   5. Say it is serious and requires urgent action but within a market framework (i.e. austerity and resource scarcity for the poor/middle class and protection for the rich)
   6. Repress the resulting protest and resentment through mass surveillance, police action and internal detention camps for the displaced

   That is likely to be how it plays out in Natland. Up to stage four and counting.
7. SHG 7

   2 September 2019 at 3:04 pm

   Australia:

   https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/02/agforce-backs-calls-for-review-of-consensus-science-on-great-barrier-reef

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