National’s civil war continues

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1. Enough is Enough 1

   9 August 2021 at 9:24 am

   With National everything is about the almighty $.

   Goodfellow guarantees them plenty of that. In their worst year in history, he still generated $3M in donations.

   That is how short sighted they are.
2. AB 2

   9 August 2021 at 9:49 am

   John Key was there saying MIQ was a failure and that vaccinated NZers abroad should be allowed in with just home quarantine. The 'journalist' concerned did not ask him if he was aware that vaccinated people could both catch and transmit the virus, and that therefore, if home quarantine was not secure (which it isn't) they could be transmitting the Delta variant to a partially vaccinated population.

   When he inevitably fluffed his response to that question and rambled about being "comfortable" with it (or some such meaningless greasiness), the next step would be to offer him the only three possible explanations for his comments: that he is ignorant/stupid and doesn't know the facts, that he does know the facts and is just reckless/insane and wants to put 'business' first, or that he is just mischief-making for political advantage. But none of that happened.

   Time for the Nats to fold their tent and disappear out the back door of history. Otherwise they are a constant menace – always lurking and waiting for their chance to make all the major problems we face even worse.
3. Tiger Mountain 3

   9 August 2021 at 10:00 am

   Fair enough Micky to detail NZ National’s travails–a party full of dirty filthy tories–now openly split into urban, rural, libertarian, old school reactionary, and religious nutter factions! Who could not quietly enjoy such a spectacle after what the Key years put this country through.

   Was “Merv from Manurewa”–former Board member Roger Bridge– anywhere to be seen?

   But…this current, first and likely last for a while, majority MMP Labour Govt. better get the steel caps on and start telling the senior officials where it is at. The Deputy PM has an Implementation Unit that at least tells us there is some awareness of the intransigence in certain Ministries.

   Likely too little (no pun etc.) too late though when WINZ/MSD remain as punitive and sadistic as they ever were. Sanctioning, standing down, moralising and instituting what are effectively life time debts on vulnerable working class people.
   https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018807392/beneficiaries-ending-up-in-dire-straits-unnecessarily-moroney
   • Michael 3.1

     9 August 2021 at 5:10 pm

     Great reply. Bureaucrats are still running the system on National Party settings, which Labour is either unwilling or unable to change. Public tolerance for BAU has worn thin. The Nats' know how to dog whistle and manipulate the very people (non-rich) they actively shaft while in govt themselves. If Labour can't deliver meaningful improvements to the lives of non-rich people, they will march off to the Right, with Crusher playing the part of the Pied Piper.
4. Chris 4

   9 August 2021 at 10:05 am

   Positive results from the Kahukura programme will help shut them up… Let’s hope we see some soon.
5. Hunter Thompson II 5

   9 August 2021 at 10:21 am

   I guess they figured that dumping their current President would be seen as yet more evidence of National's disarray? Better to keep PG on and retain what little cohesion is left.
6. Reality 6

   9 August 2021 at 10:22 am

   Collins and Bridges dancing on stage was bizarre! Trying so hard to "have fun" but like the praying in church episode it was staged and phoney.

   Interesting to read in Stuff Des Gorman was at the conference. No surprise there. He is National's best buddie, opposing everything the Government does re Covid.
   • Anne 6.1

     9 August 2021 at 11:17 am

     Collins and Bridges dancing on stage was bizarre!

     It was downright grotesque! And was that Luxon gyrating on the right? Yikes!

     I was also present at the 2012 Labour conference and recall talking about my observations on this site. For my efforts I was sent to Coventry by a few Labour luminaries and it was made clear to me I was no longer a member of their circle. It was not a tear shedding moment.

     Labour members have a habit of reminding their hierarchy that the party belongs to the members and they retain their exalted positions at the courtesy of those members. National members are like a herd of baaing sheep who are happy to be pushed and prodded in whatever direction their hierarchy wish to take.

     In other words the Nats operate from the top down while Labour is more into the bottom up approach. (which sounds vaguely rude but is not meant as such 😳 )
     • Michael 6.1.1

       9 August 2021 at 5:13 pm

       Labour's hierarchical too. It seems to have modelled itself on the nats, at least as far as power and control are concerned. Branches are largely a thing of the past, while LECs exist just to rubber stamp Head Office edicts. HO, in turn, is dominated by the Leader of the Parliamentary Wing's office. No space for genuine grass roots democracy.
7. tc 7

   9 August 2021 at 11:11 am

   Let them burn to the ground.

   Disgraceful mob looking for a 'leader' to con NZ into more terms of plunder whilst quaking in fear at the incumbent.

   Brown, penk, bishop, hipango, Stanford, brownlee, woodhouse etc is what passes for talent in national. Underwhelming at best dangerous if elected.
8. newsense 8

   9 August 2021 at 11:27 am

   So just to get this straight, Collins gave a speech announcing mass debate was the main thing the Nats wanted to do?
   • Paul Campbell 8.1

     9 August 2021 at 12:10 pm

     Yes, she wants everyone to mass debate
     • Jilly Bee 8.1.1

       9 August 2021 at 5:13 pm

       
9. Patricia Bremner 9

   9 August 2021 at 11:58 am

   National need an Andrew Little and a Jacinda Ardern.

   Thankfully they would not select them if they had, as their method would preclude choosing them on qualities recognised by the members.

   We look at Key and wonder how he dodged being exposed as a front, then we look a a number of journalists who fawned on him.. 'nuff said.

   Thank you Andrew, thank you Jacinda and Labour team, saving us from that lot.

   May you continue the good work and have at least two more terms to get projects completed. Righting many wrongs during a pandemic is difficult, but you are making progress in spite of recalcitrant ministry bods.

   We know we are in safe hands, and along with the Greens you will try to do what is best for Aotearoa and the people, unlike some who used their positions for selfish ends.

   I am a labour /green supporter, and am more proud of my choice every day.
   • Marcus Morris 9.1

     9 August 2021 at 7:36 pm

     With 100% Patricia.
10. Incognito 10

    9 August 2021 at 12:32 pm

    The new board members were leaked to a National Party meme page, which Stuff understands has prompted some upset.

    Collins defended the lack of rural members by pointing out she had a rural background herself, and that the National Party elected the best people for roles without quotas.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300377710/no-longer-the-party-of-rural-nz–national-members-furious-following-conference

    All is well on Planet Key.
    • tc 10.1

      9 August 2021 at 1:19 pm

      Surely she's been misquoted which's easy as 'bent' is close to 'best'.

      Let's not forget she's ace at faith also now.
11. Stephen D 11

    9 August 2021 at 12:36 pm

    The Nat Board no longer has a farmer on it.

    ACT are making inroads in rural communities.

    What chance that at the next election ACT and the Nats get about 20% each?
    • I Feel Love 11.1

      9 August 2021 at 3:29 pm

      I must say I'd prefer National any day over ACT.
      • Michael 11.1.1

        9 August 2021 at 5:14 pm

        There's very little difference under the Crusher/Badfellow regime.
    • mac1 11.2

      9 August 2021 at 5:29 pm

      If ACT takes over the role as a conservative rural party from National, then that leaves National to the other major right wing role of urban liberal at which it has very poor credentials at the moment with both its MPs and policies, instanced by its refusal to even see the recent Bill on gender reassignment go to a select committee to receive submissions and allow further debate.
12. Pete 12

    9 August 2021 at 9:24 pm

    Are people going to not vote for National because they are a rabble? Are they going to vote Act because The Boy Wonder is always so sensible?

    Are they going to not vote Labour because of poverty, housing, roading? And not vote for anyone? Or vote Act?

    As Stephen (above) says Act/Nat could cobble together 40%. They are marginally under that right now. They have plenty of time to get their crap together and most importantly, Labour has plenty more time to not impress.
13. RP Mcmurphy 13

    10 August 2021 at 6:32 am

    nationals are the party of snobs who think they are better than the rest of us and who want power to loot the treasury. pad the payrolls and break up the state for the preferment of their mates
14. newsense 14

    10 August 2021 at 6:52 pm

    If Collins falls hard she’ll get treated like Cunliffe. Both old party hands who pissed off people in and out of their parties. If she gets a bit of distance back she’ll be remembered more kindly than DC.
    Bridges getting sympathy. Cunliffe got a run and f-d it up. If Bridges had gone down in flames at the election the Nats and the media would have got him out of their system.
15. RP Mcmurphy 15

    11 August 2021 at 8:55 pm

    when hootgen was still persona grata at the nationals party his big meme was shambolic. now the the nationals are worse than that. they are on complete disarray. their greed is overriding any principles of decent behaviour that is if they ever had any.

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