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1. Ad 1

   29 June 2021 at 9:32 am

   They have been doing this since Rugby World Cup 2010.

   Catch up Inspector General.
   • weka 1.1

     29 June 2021 at 11:20 am

     oh that's alright then 🙄
   • esoteric pineapples 1.2

     29 June 2021 at 2:43 pm

     They had cameras in the scrums and rucks
2. Noel 2

   29 June 2021 at 9:55 am

   “My review found the service uses CCTV in a targeted and specific way, not for general surveillance … It does not retain or record footage,” Horsley said in a statement."
   • weka 2.1

     29 June 2021 at 11:19 am

     Please supply a direct link if you are going to quote.
     • Noe; 2.1.1

       29 June 2021 at 4:15 pm

       “Overall, I’m satisfied the service’s current use of access to CCTV is lawful and carried out in a responsible and proper way.”

       Stuff Jan 28.

       Noel
       • weka 2.1.1.1

         29 June 2021 at 7:01 pm

         please fix the typo in your user name on your next comment. Your comment was caught in the filter and had to be released manually.
     • Noel 2.1.2

       29 June 2021 at 4:36 pm

       Found it

       https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125581442/spies-have-roundtheclock-access-to-cctv-network-in-major-city-centre-watchdog-says

       For most there was already a warrant and Horsley didn't think the law was breached.
3. RedLogix 3

   29 June 2021 at 10:15 am

   Surveillance is with us to stay. As much as I miss the more innocent era which I grew up in, nobody is going to rip the cameras out.

   The problem is the asymmetry of power here; the govt gets to watch us, but we remain blind to what they do with it.

   Perhaps the most extreme scenario I can imagine is one where every human from birth onward is recorded 24/7 with no exceptions for anything private. And all the data is recorded and made public permanently. That way we can examine everything anyone ever does or says to ensure they're being safe. It would pretty much eliminate all crime for a start.

   I know that looks like a mad strawman, but it's where the trend is taking us. Already we're at a place that two decades ago would have seemed crazy, and still the momentum is firmly in the direction of more surveillance not less. Unless we're willing to collectively say no and change direction in another two decades my extreme scenario might not be so crazy.

   Clear definitions around an expectation of privacy, regardless of setting public or private have to be the first step.
   • Craig Hall 3.1

     29 June 2021 at 12:24 pm

     Not to mention how much more common photos, selfies and videos are now with mobile phones, so even without CCTV cameras, people are giving it away on Facebook etc.
4. Tiger Mountain 4

   29 June 2021 at 10:16 am

   Agree with Idiot/Savant on this–more accountability would be good, even if many New Zealanders seemingly do not give one about such matters. NZ Police trialed various facial recognition software and techniques without full Govt. permission

   https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/police-commit-new-rules-after-unauthorised-trial-facial-recognition-technology

   And Auckland Transport was investigating intersection cameras that would capture both drivers and front seat passengers! For what purpose you might ask…outstanding fines…yeah right.

   Nicky Hager and Martyn Bradbury to name two recent episodes, have proven that sometimes the judiciary and legal profession can come through when State authorities push their luck and stretch the law.

   But wouldn’t it be great if we did not have to put up with these arrogant bastards cruising on the fat increases they gained during the Key years surveilling because they can.
5. Descendant Of Smith 5

   29 June 2021 at 11:22 am

   We'd be better off going the way of Estonia. I like the way you can revoke any departments access to your info when they no longer need it e.g. you can give them access when you apply for a benefit and then when you no longer need that benefit take it away again.

   Branding itself the first “digital republic” in the world, Estonia has digitised 99% of its public services. And, in an era when trust in public services are declining across the globe, Estonia persistently achieves one of the highest ratings of trust in government in the EU. The Estonian government claims that this digitisation of public services saves more than 1,400 years of working time and 2% of its GDP annually.

   https://theconversation.com/estonia-is-a-digital-republic-what-that-means-and-why-it-may-be-everyones-future-145485
   • Craig Hall 5.1

     29 June 2021 at 12:21 pm

     In theory, the Privacy Act does that now, in that holders of one's personal information aren't supposed to retain it beyond legal requirements to do so, although with government departments, working that out can be difficult in practice because of archive requirements and general financial record-keeping requirements.

     That said, one of the great frustrations of W&I bureaucracy around benefits was (is?) having to provide everything for every application for a benefit, whether MSD have previously held it on file or not e.g. a person's IRD number only changes if they are bankrupt, but evidence of the IRD number is still required at each subsequent application. Agree that people should have the option, but for many (most?), their judgement may be that the convenience outweighs the potential downsides.
     • Descendant Of Smith 5.1.1

       29 June 2021 at 12:34 pm

       Part of Estonia's approach is that you only provide your info to the government once then you control which ones can see it as required. I've been following what they have been doing for a while and it seems to work.
       • Craig Hall 5.1.1.1

         2 July 2021 at 2:02 pm

         Sounds like a more organised approach than ours which would be nice…
6. Descendant Of Smith 6

   29 June 2021 at 2:40 pm

   This is a good example of why Estonia's highly secure citizen based approach is needed.

   "A new report by New York Attorney General Letitia James has revealed that the US broadband industry funded millions of fake comments – impersonating real people – to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in 2017, opposing net neutrality. The report, titled “Fake Comments: How U.S. Companies & Partisans Hack Democracy to Undermine Your Voice”, revealed that a non-profit called Broadband for America – made up of senior officials from broadband companies and trade groups – spent $4.2 million on over 8.5 million fake comments."

   "these companies simply used customer identities to fake comments."

   https://www.iflscience.com/policy/millions-of-fake-antinet-neutrality-comments-to-us-regulator-funded-by-broadband-industry/
7. RedBaronCV 7

   29 June 2021 at 5:15 pm

   They want more cohesion? And to give the cops the right to make criminal charges for insulting language???

   Maybe the government needs to stop spying on us and lying to us. When did it become acceptable to see every ordinary citizen as a potential criminal that needs to be spied on in public places. And just how many billions are we wasting on this useless surveillance. To collect a few traffic tickets maybe – it is completely nuts. And the cops keep crying poor and wanting more money – while they do this and run all over the likes of Nicky Hager.
8. Paul Campbell 8

   30 June 2021 at 10:59 am

   A few years ago I was pissed off by the police saying they were trialing facial recognition software without any public discussion so I publicly declared the rest of my life to be "performance art".

   Now under section 171 of the copyright act everyone who wants to record my performance must obtain permission and a license before they do so …..
   • Phil 8.1

     30 June 2021 at 2:34 pm

     I am 100% certain your daily life is simply not sufficiently interesting or intentionally creative enough to be declared an artistic work, as defined in s2 "artistic work" of the Copyright Act… so any complaint made on that basis would be laughed out of court, regardless of what you think s171 says.
     • Paul Campbell 8.1.1

       1 July 2021 at 5:19 pm

       The act describes an "artistic work" as a made object and distinguishes it from literary, dramatic, and musical work and expects that these lat 3 might be performed (unlike and "artistic work"). The definitions of a dramatic work is left open though the act makes sure that it could possibly include a dance/mime/film script. It doesn't require it to be interesting – I'm sure it covers Cage's "4:33"

       Section 171 is however now about 'works' per se but performances of them
       • Phil 8.1.1.1

         2 July 2021 at 10:42 am

         Haha, no.

         https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/business/intellectual-property/copyright/copyright-protection-in-new-zealand/

         Artistic works: Graphical works such as paintings, drawings, plans and maps, irrespective or artistic "quality" or merit; photographs, sculptures and models; buildings and models of buildings; and works of artistic craftsmanship that must have some artistic quality or level of skill.

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