Open mike 13/10/2022

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  1. Karl Sinclair 1
    13 October 2022 at 8:10 am

    Just wondering how’s it going for all those Joe Biden supporters out there?

    Out of the frying pan into the fire?

    Nuclear War anyone

    https://youtu.be/52jwdrH0n-E

    • Shanreagh 1.1
      13 October 2022 at 9:13 am

      Lost me really with the avowed support for Trump, who is actually not the President.

      The most sensible person in the interview, Admiral Mullen, has had his words & thoughts mangled and jangled by these two commentators. A view that Biden was at the top of the language scale and Mullen's words about getting people around the table were zoomed over by Dore/Metzger in their 'woe, woe poor Trump if this had happened to him'. Refs to diaper wearing……

      I have all the time in the world for those with a critique about the response of any Government but on the basis of how the/an opposition party would handle it. Trump is a failed politician/idiot but I am sure that the Republicans generally or a Rep Foreign Affairs shadow person will have some sort of view.

      Noting also he slips into the 'the Ukraine' a couple of times. A bit too shouty for me.

      Admiral Mullen looks to be someone worth watching though.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore

      Ostensibly he is a comedian working often in a satirical manner. As Churchill is reputed to have said ‘The US and the UK two great countries divided by a common language’ We add Comedy to this as well. I’ve always had a lesser regard for US slapstick than US satire but this is not slapstick and neither is it satire nor adroit political commentary to me.

      • Shanreagh 1.1.1
        13 October 2022 at 9:24 am

        I’ve always had a lesser regard for US slapstick than US satire but this is not slapstick and neither is it satire nor adroit political commentary to me.

        Doh UK satire…..sorry.

      • Karl Sinclair 1.1.2
        13 October 2022 at 10:04 am

        Hi Shanreagh,

        The issue for me is how the left are doubling down and supporting issues typically ascribed to the right.

        Focus on the frying pan while the house burns (now the mutated lefts woke mantra)

        But hey, it’s only nuclear war and clearly Trumps fault

        https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1520751923355398144

        Full interview here

        https://youtu.be/6YeRX6ZYXH0

        • weka 1.1.2.1
          13 October 2022 at 10:16 am

          Karl, I've tidied up your comment so that it's clear what is a quote and what are your words.

          When linking to a tweet, don't link to the person's twitter account, as the tweet will disappear in short time. Instead, click on the date/time stamp (bottom of every tweet), then copy the URL from the address bar and paste it into the TS comment box. This will embed the exact tweet in your comment here.

        • Shanreagh 1.1.2.2
          13 October 2022 at 10:16 am

          I am afraid Karl I am of the view that if Trump is the answer then the question must have been truly weird.

          I think many in the West would take Noam Chomsky's view that Trump is a man of stature from the West with a choking grain of salt. .

          Though going by the interview earlier if someone had said Admiral Mullen is/has the answer then I'd be happy to explore things further.

          Not being complacent, Admiral Mullen was correct about the temperature of the words going up, the West had this too during the Bay of Pigs episode, when Kennedy, had to use end of scale words and manoeuvres.

          I also have an opinion that it is about time we gave up on encouraging the US to be the world's policeman.

          Probably all rather naive and mired in 1980s anti Americanism.

          • roy cartland 1.1.2.2.1
            13 October 2022 at 11:05 am

            Chomsky is employing the "stopped clock" parable. Even awful people sometimes say sensible things. Dumb ad-hominem opposition won't save us from a nuclear winter. Lesser of two evils, you might say.

          • Karl Sinclair 1.1.2.2.2
            13 October 2022 at 11:14 am

            Hi again Shanregh,

            You said “I am of the view that if Trump is the answer then the question must have been truly weird.”

            Could not agree more with your comment.

            Is down the new up? or is up the new down? Or is it all just a swirling mass of obfuscation designed for defying gravity with the same old agendas being pushed.

            Both republican and democratic parties support this war. I wonder why…. could it be the massive geopolitical and economic gains? or are they all just “good guys”?

            Just one example below you won’t see TVNZ or RNZ chattering about in there news feeds

            https://countercurrents.org/2022/04/ukraine-and-the-profits-of-war/

            The Pentagon Gold Mine

            For U.S. arms makers, however, the greatest benefits of the war in Ukraine won’t be immediate weapons sales, large as they are, but the changing nature of the ongoing debate over Pentagon spending itself.

        • AB 1.1.2.3
          13 October 2022 at 12:09 pm

          The opportunities for a negotiated solution are diminishing – because there is no imaginable territorial compromise that both sides will agree to after sacrificing so much blood, and in Putin's case, political capital.

          With Ukraine likely to win – even the wisdom of a negotiated solution is in doubt, given the message it would send about rewarding blatant aggression. It is only the nuclear threat that might push the world towards negotiation – but the temptation is to give aggressors the bloodiest nose you can and push the risk to its limit. Let's hope someone, somewhere can reliably detect exactly when the risk is too great, but such a person probably doesn't exist.

          These I think are the brute facts – and there is no separate Left or Right interpretation of them.

    • Barfly 1.2
      13 October 2022 at 9:49 am

      Drivel pal that's all it is.

  2. Ad 2
    13 October 2022 at 8:33 am

    On multiple counts I hope they throw the book at this guy, and ideally all the way to the Supreme Court given the argument he's running.

    Tio Faulkner built a piggery on illegally reclaimed land, now he says he's exempt from the law – NZ Herald

    • Shanreagh 2.1
      13 October 2022 at 9:23 am

      Yes agree and what a mess he has made, looking at the aerial photographs.

      Just need the Sov citizen movement to get alongside him and we will have nutters running in all directions.

  3. Ad 3
    13 October 2022 at 11:05 am

    Interesting to see the Minister of Police supporting the Police to take pictures of people, after the practise was considered illegal.

    Parliament may change law after report deemed police photographs, fingerprints of young people 'illegal' – Police Minister | Stuff.co.nz

    The usual suspects in the Maori Party and Green Party cry racism and mental health and every other bullshit, despite young people rapidly destroying any public concept of privacy on TikTok and every other social platform, and check out all the 80 year olds doing ram raids.

  4. Molly 4
    13 October 2022 at 11:17 am

    Homelessness is a result of bigotry? Or could it be something else?

    A satirical look at some of the arguments used to justify a pre-determined solution:

    https://excelpope.net/2021/08/03/easy-way-in/

    Obviously there’s a solution here. If everyone just left their doors unlocked at night then anybody in the area without a home could just let themselves in and crash out on the sofa. One of our major social problems could be solved at a stroke, and for no cost at all.

    I’m not naïve, I can see that some people from the privileged class (those with a home) might object, but these legitimate concerns are really just punching down against a marginalised community (the homeless).

  5. Anker 5
    13 October 2022 at 1:09 pm

    Very interesting satire Molly. I guess the one thing they left out is if you are worried about a homeless person having free and easy access to your house and you want to complain about this new approach, then we will offer you counselling (Penn university changing room scenario anyone?) but do shut up or you will be called a bigot.

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