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Folks ought to check out the interview Kim Hill's doing at 9.05 with an online news expert. Buzzfeed was an epic success story.
Why? No doubt Kim will elicit the answer…
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I included it in comment #1. I flagged that by reference to the wiki. Since wikis have featured in commentary & politics for the past couple of decades, I'm confident that readers can reach them easily when such pointers are included.
I cannot see the alleged link to Kim Hill’s interview in your comment @ 1!?
That was because the link I inserted was to her topic for the interview. The link you want wasn't available due to my posting the notice 55 mins prior to the interview actually occurring.
However the interview is now available via their website player at https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday
why haven't you linked to the actual piece?
When I brought up the interview player, it didn't have a web address included. However I have just gone back into RNZ and found this page they've posted subsequently: https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018898496/ben-smith-how-clicks-likes-and-shares-ruined-digital-news
thanks. By the time you commented at 11.26am, the page was available.
Earlier than that (ie before RNZ have the live link up), please link to the episode pages of the show and copy and paste the title. eg in this case,
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/20230715
This makes it much easier for people to find the article and audio later.
Your link to Saturday Morning's page means people have to work more to find the relevant bit and in a week it will have dropped down the page, making it even harder to find.
The key point here is that we want the piece to be as easily available as possible, so that people have the context and can debate from that. All pieces, all the time.
Yeah sure, I'm aware of ideal practice – but as I just pointed out to Incognito, I see others onsite here regularly not providing such links when they comment, with no moderating consequently…
go on then, show me three examples of other people posting without links, so we can hash out what is going on.
None evident today so far. I'll check later.
There was no link! Why do you continue lying about this?
You spend more time on spamming this site and editing/altering text copied & pasted from Wiki pages.
This is turning into an exercise in time-wasting because you act as an obnoxious little child.
The link Dennis is referring to is the wikipedia link in comment 1. This is the link to KH's topic before the interview was aired.
I don't see Dennis as lying here, more that the two of you are talking at cross purposes.
Fair enough, I withdraw and apologise for the lying bit.
This still leaves the Q why an intelligent commenter is being obnoxious about providing a link to an interview that hasn’t aired yet and “Folks ought to check out”. The first time (in this OM) he was asked was @ 10:25 am, after the interview had aired. And after that, it was pulling teeth. And then he starts digging in by making allegations about others who don’t link (it does happen) as if this should let him off the hook.
And there’s another instance last night of him not linking and making very little or no effort to show some courtesy and respect of the rules of engagement of this site.
I will admit I had to bite my tongue at the accusation that other people get away with it, given how much of our time is spent on this simple thing chasing up regulars who should know better.
Apparently we are in the election proper now with parties and candidates needing to put authorisation statements. Game on lefties 🔥
If site owner/operator configures chatGPT into the system here as an autonomous module, best to give it the username Lefty.
I posted something last night noting that it had been found to have a leftist bias. That can be tweaked via consensus of moderators and owner/operator. You could, for instance, give it Che Guevara charisma to leverage the icon effect, Trotsy's tactical nous to get results in (ideological) warfare, Marx's class framing, Stalin's machiavellian expertise as shapeshifter. You'd have to include the integrative holism from Smuts for it to ground sensibly though.
A positional generator of generic leftist thought and advice would have a mentoring effect. It would also be oracular when prompted to opinionate on the likeliest outcome of situations, so it would have tactical application on a utility basis.
You might enjoy this. It's a short short story about AI, humans and ethics.
https://qntm.org/mmacevedo
Some days I can’t decide if it’s better for a hard climate crash so nature takes this shit out of our hands once and for all. By our hands I mean tech culture run by men with little social or community or nature intelligence. Don't know why we do that, but I don't understand why we are allowing catastrophic CC either.
It's interesting, but. Uploading a brain scan while assuming one can thereby simulate a mind features at least conceptual flaw. You can indeed achieve mimesis by getting AI behind the simulation, but resemblance to an actual human is slight.
Thinking is mostly driven by feeling. Neuroscientists now collectively acknowledge this (paradigm shift in the 1990s). People evolve as individuals on that organic basis. Neuroplasticity is now proven. We evolve via interaction with circumstance. AI does that without feelings.
Now women have always known that due to their different organic connection to Gaia but men are mostly slow learners so the gnosis is still percolating through…
Sadly human nature puts us on a hard landing as far as climate change is concerned. On one hand we look at say farming and ruminant animals but at the same time our appetite for fossil fuels increases.
https://news.paxeditions.com/news/airline/radar-shows-record-breaking-number-flights-one-day#:~:text=That%20record%2Dsetting%20day%2C%20the,it%20tracked%20134%2C386%20commercial%20flights.
Poot's new Gulag Archipelago.
Thousands of Ukraine civilians are being held in Russian prisons. Russia plans to build many more.
[…]
Thousands of Ukrainian civilians are being detained across Russia and the Ukrainian territories it occupies, in centers ranging from brand-new wings in Russian prisons to clammy basements. Most have no status under Russian law
And Russia is planning to hold possibly thousands more. A Russian government document obtained by The Associated Press dating to January outlined plans to create 25 new prison colonies and six other detention centers in occupied Ukraine by 2026.
In addition, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree in May allowing Russia to send people from territories with martial law, which includes all of occupied Ukraine, to those without, such as Russia. This makes it easier to deport Ukrainians who resist Russian occupation deep into Russia indefinitely, which has happened in multiple cases documented by the AP.
Many civilians are picked up for alleged transgressions as minor as speaking Ukrainian or simply being a young man in an occupied region, and are often held without charge. Others are charged as terrorists, combatants, or people who “resist the special military operation.” Hundreds are used for slave labor by Russia’s military, for digging trenches and other fortifications, as well as mass graves.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-prisons-civilians-torture-detainees-88b4abf2efbf383272eed9378be13c72
Finally….the facts are beginning to be recognised.
https://thekaka.substack.com/p/matariki-special-interview-danyl#details
A brief discussion well worth the listen.
Deplorables are so infectious they can get in anywhere. They've gotten into Labour:
Better get Hilary Clinton onto the situation, with her laser-like identification abilities she'll spot them & root them out. We can but deplore the contamination.
This appears to be the `suckers will always vote Labour' theory. Covert support for National is not really a leftist thing, and the PM does it to seem centrist instead.
If I can get a word in here in the Dennis Frank Open Mike, this is a weird article by Luke Malpass today. He takes a series of shots at Hipkins, Robertson, and Labour (as usual) but concludes that Hipkins got it right in ruling out a WT and CGT.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/132546724/changing-the-tax-system-was-not-an-electionwinning-strategy-for-labour
For instance:
"But of concern was the weird competing mish-mash of objectives which the Treasury identified itself and said that Robertson prioritised. These included raising enough revenue, being considered fair and helping social cohesion. The system would also have to meet Robertson’s “distributional objectives for progressivity, horizontal equity and reducing inequality”, and “the revenue strategy needs to align with your economic goals (high wage, low emissions, economic security."
All of those objectives look entirely sensible to me and not in any way out of the ordinary. They are not a "mish-mash".
The below is particularly interesting, and should boost the Green's party vote:
"Polling seen by Stuff and commissioned by the Green Party before the revelation of Labour’s abandoned tax plans, did show potential Green voter reaction to a tax-free threshold. More than 87% of potential voters sitting on the fence whether to switch to Green were favourably inclined towards a tax-free threshold (or zone as Robertson called in on Thursday) and 68% of the same group were keen on a wealth tax."
But Malpass is off-beam below because TPM has ruled out going into a coalition that contained ACT. (The Coaltion of Cu*ts)
"What will be worrying Labour a lot more is the fact that Te Pāti Māori is now more or less assumed to need to be part of the mix for Labour to win power again in virtually all polls, while National and ACT will not necessarily need the party if the numbers fall the right way."
What's the theory about Labour worring about needing TPM? The kinds of concessions post-election? Or losing votes as the election campaign period shows TPM as necessary?
His main point is that past polls had given Labour hope that they would have been able to govern with just the Greens for support, but now the polls are showing that they will need both the Greens and TPM to govern.
Some people may prefer not to vote for a coalition that includes TPM, but then other people (just as many, if not more IMHO) will prefer not to vote for a coalition that includes ACT.
From the article
both
If you are genuinely worried then you better vote labour so they don't need tpm,
Tpm will be a minor party under a strong leader with Hipkins so I'm not to worried 😉
But Labour and TPM are diametrically opposed on a number of key issues, good luck running that.
So Alan, you are by inference saying Act and National are more aligned? Tui
Luxon won’t want to share.
Black Adder(Luxon)” I am leader!!”
Baldrick (Seymour) “I have a cunning plan”.
Without doubt they are more aligned. Both know who they are there to look after.
Labour is closer to National than TPM and probably the greens as well.
Wot??? So National would have supported businesses and workers through covid lockdowns and the fallout? "Na mate ya dreaming"
They would most definetly supported business… workers not so much. But the point remains Nat and Act know who they are governing for.
Labour on the other hand seem conflicted hence Hipkins ruling out cgt wealth tax etc
Care to elaborate?
Here's a scientific appraisal of the new El Nino: https://www.newsroom.co.nz/climate-changes-dangerous-new-fires
That's their operational triad strategy for firestorms. Reportage of these globally ought to hone in on an analytical framing based on regional vulnerability flagged by repetition.
The experts were forecasting lots of snow down here in the Southern Lakes when El Nino took effect. Certainly not happening at the moment.
Too soon, I assume. Think we're in the transitional phase, the switch-over of the oscillation. Remember that's driven by an immense ocean current. Inertial.
Yes it seems to be taking longer than they predicted…the skifields will be tearing there hair out. Still, they sold masses of season passes.
17 degrees lurking round in the wellington sunshine yesterday, that can't be normal for july
15 here in Dunedin mid afternoon, barmy hot night too.
Too soon BG.
We're still in a bit of a limbo between La Nina and El Nino. Climactic changes on a world-wide scale take time to bed in.
What we can look forward to in NZ is a much drier summer than the last one (phew) but with slightly cooler temperatures and westerly quarter winds, The big stand out will be the west coast of the Sth. Island which will have a higher than normal rainfall.
Sorry Coasters, its your turn now.
Thanks Anne….my timing was probably off, though I could have sworn I heard El Nino would influence the weather and bring snow this year. Maybe they readjusted their forecasts.
BTW (you will hate me for this) it was an incredibly dry and lovely summer down here in Wanaka. Even the farmers aren't too bothered when it is so hot and dry these days as they have large-scale pivot irrigation in place.
I was one of the thousands of Aucklanders whose home was flooded. Fortunately I'm two-storied so was able to continue to live upstairs but it hasn't been pleasant – at times stressful. Finally after a six month wait the rebuild downstairs has begum in earnest and should be completed soon.
I can count myself lucky because the workload is so enormous they will still be repairing and rebuilding for another year or two – and that is just Auckland.
God's mill grinds slow but sure
(17th century proverb with its source in Plutarch)
Periods of unusually warm air aloft in the mid latitudes have limited new snowfall and partially destroyed what has fallen earlier. Very poor for snowmaking as well. Forget trying to forecast by using historical seasonal snowfalls. It's a new paradigm.
Hope they get a couple of one-off events to get things going.
Wait for when snow is not forecast-that is when we get the blizzards.
Don't be too hard on them
Wednesday.
Damn. Low enough but precipitation fizzed out, barely a few cm. No use to anyone, but at least colder for snow making.
Coronet Webcam:
https://www.queenstownairport.co.nz/WebCam/coronet.jpg?dt=2023-07-20-12-41
Who will care for our water…if NAct get control? I fully get that things ARE bad now. I know some, are fighting to undo many generations of poisoning our water. A very hard road.
But, IMO, the Nats…led by Act (and Groundswill et al) will just ignore any and all danger signs. Climate Change, Nitrates in water, River Health…all will be dismissed as "unnecessary distractions" !
And on that….if those creeps do scrape in….who will care about this?
IMO it would be…"Nothing to see here, move along". The creeps ignore the fact…there is ALWAYS a cost. That Someone in the future has to pay.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/493742/high-levels-of-toxic-nitrates-in-water-moving-under-and-through-south-auckland-to-harbour-research-shows
Will Wayne Brown fix it?
How many buckets has he got?
Buckets are not in Wayne’s job description, apparently.
His mandate is to ‘fix Auckland’. Indeed, he’s been very busy neutering local democracy reporting and slagging off democratically elected Councillors. Luckily, he’ll be gone long before those nitrates.
Aye. Some people have a Greater Good thought …"I would like to make/have made, our Earth a better place, when I go ".
Wayne Brown…only fulfils the specific minimum of that sentiment.
I know there are many more who actually care for, and about, our Earth.
Why..are we ruled by the (very) small people who dont? I know…age old, unanswerable really.
A terrible fact…
Anyway…when i was looking for who cares… I found this? Anyone on the Standard know if they do?
I think he fulfils even less……in that sentence only one word applies 'I'.
People stopping eating animals/bye-products will 'fix it'..
But much easier to just point fingers elsewhere…eh..?
Please read the linked article before you pollute this site with your high levels of nonsense.
What exactly is 'nonsense' in my comment…
This whole country is a fucken toxic mess..as a direct result of animal/flesh farming..
And those who eat that flesh pontificating about nitrate pollution..and ignoring what they do that directly causes that nitrate pollution..
What would you call that..?
Some call it cognitive dissonance.. don't they..?
And some of these nitrates comes from over fertilised councils parks..?
Well that makes me an effing liar then doesn't it..
And/or it gives you an overlay of pedantry..on top of yr cog-diss..
..doesn't it..?
Your denial of what you do..
Makes what you say a 'nonsense'..
And he comes back with even more nonsense!
You’re barking up the wrong tree.
Who’s bleating on about cognitive dissonance? Read the article, the linked study in it, and the comments and switch on your brain!
Take your hobby horse somewhere else instead of hijacking the conversations of others.
Nice bit of denigration there…
And my 'hobby-horse'..?
You call my arguing against what is fucking our country/world/future a 'hobby horse'..?
Your disconnection from your own role as part of the problem is epic…
And I don't have a hobby-horse..
I have a stampeding fucken herd of hobby-horses..
How long have ya got..?
Whoa! You’re pissing in the wind so much that your nitrates seep into the groundwater of South Auckland.
I post a comment about nitrates coming from horticulture and you start accusing me of cannibalism and scorching the Earth.
Your ‘stampeding fucken herd of hobby-horses’ is heading for a Mod note. Just saying.
Where did I accuse you of cannibalism..?
And my initial comment was addressed to flesh eating/finger pointing readers of this thread..
It was not directed at you per se..
The first word was ‘people’…how is that in any way directed just at you..?
Appears to be from growing veges and fruit🥵 here's the embarresd emoji you'll be looking for
Being a vegan does not mean I support drenching fruit/veges in poisonous shit.
..save that emoji for yourself..
Julian Batchelor came to town yesterday, accompanied by provocateur Lee Williams, who stalked about trying to encourage bad behaviour amongst the counter protestors, shoving cameras into their faces and filming constantly .
Batchelor had a tiny audience, mostly elderly or getting there, probably NZ first supporters .Frail and worried , not sure whats going on , scared Mãori are taking over
The counter protest was orderly,gentle, fun with wonderful waiata , a brilliant wahine toa performing with actions
Lee Williams got into a scuffle and was I think arrested.Unbelievable that his level of racist toxicity has a following
Nasty stuff
Just about got me voting for TPM.
Was puzzled by the Christian interest in this horrible road show
Batchelor is an evangelical preacher, and claims to have been given 80 reasons by his god why most christians do not actively evangelise. (From LinkdIn profile). His self-published book and his Treaty lectures include some of his evangelical material.
Nasty type. The Harangue reminded me of someone.
Been reading Michener's Poland and came across his description of a woman being crowned king in the 14th century. Since he was an historical novelist, thought I'd check he got the history right, and he did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_of_Poland
Also, her sister likewise:
Notice how the editors of Wikipedia have misrepresented this political reality by calling her Queen both in their page title and the link. Sexist!
If you read up on their mother you see she was daughter of a Bosnian king who became queen of three other countries when she married Louis the Great. Accession to the monarchy directly rather than via marriage is the difference between her and those two daughters, apparently. The English did that accession titling differently…
Thanks for the prod. That goes on my list.
I read several of his novels as they drew on actual events and characters, but woven into an interesting read. eg "Hawaii."
I enjoyed Asimov as his stories are based on Science facts to build more credible Science fiction. A great discussion vehicle was the short story "The Sentinel." Cheers.
Anyone in this current iteration of the Labour Party worthy of inheriting the mantle of Norm Kirk?
Not a damn one, as far as I’m can see.
newsense-see my post below re house policies. Labour not too bad on this?
Look at the loads carried by Andrew Little Nanaia Mahuta Megan Woods Grant Robertson and our current PM.
The world is an even more complex and dangerous place. Confronting the French / Atomic age and making a good speech measured against…
how do we confront climate change covid billionaires arms merchants the financial tsunami and AI?
Labour have taken a lot of stick over the last few days over the decision to dump both a WT and CGT, deservedly so IMO.
But in the article below there is a key point of difference between the Nats and Labour on housing policy, where Labour deserves much praise. IMO Labour has it right, and has been successful, on taxes related to houses (bright line test, interest non- allowable), housing density and not permitting houses to be purchased by foreign buyers. (In fact the bright line test is effectively a CGT). This has led to a fairly gentle drop in house prices, though they are still way to high in international terms.
The Nats have committed to scrapping almost all of this, and they will probably scrap the lot. It just refuses say what its policy is on overseas house purchases.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132544493/national-refuses-to-say-if-party-will-scrap-foreign-homebuyers-ban-if-elected
I think that this is an election issue Labour is on the right side of with most of the public, and so should be milked.
Congratulations Dr Jacob Ngaha on being awarded your doctorate. He may be Aotearoa's very first Māori quantum physicist.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/rising-stars/audio/2018898111/rising-star-quantum-physicist-dr-jacob-ngaha
From the link:
Absolutely true.
A big "boo" to the NZ academics who have publicly dismissed 'matauranga Maori' as a form of science. There is more than one way to express scientific material and they are to be respected not demeaned. Imo it indicates an elitist ignorance among those who should know better.
Brilliant work and oration.
I disagree
Me also.
It takes interpretations of knowledge and treats them as universal truths.
Which is deliberately manipulative.
The equivalent of including the Methodist stricture of cleanliness being next to Godliness in med school, instead of determining the science around contamination, and teaching how to avoid it.
Mr Cusack's on fire.
@johncusack
These execs make 30 40 million a year – and one even saying publicly “ we’re just gonna wait ‘em out – you know till people get evicted loose their homes – we gonna bust the union “ THIS is who they are – They are trying to break you – ruin you – for having the temerity to ask for your fair share – they want to punish – grind your face in the dirt for even thinking about it –
https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1679980757874274305
@johncusack
This is not about the entertainment business – or the coffee business Or the retail business Or any specific business – it’s about all of them – This is about the class war from above – being waged against labor across the board-
https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1680033522788990979
(mastadon should be available to all)
@stevenrosenthal@mastodon.online
John Cusack is tweeting out some of the dirty secrets of Hollywood accounting — and it's pretty illuminating.
https://mastodon.online/@stevenrosenthal/110713265829641262
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Jack Tame discusses the existential lesson to be taken from the PM's pragmatism: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jack-tame-three-waters-wealth-tax-is-labour-sacrificing-its-political-vision-to-try-and-win-an-election/6I6LXUAA3BHGHFLWOTOQHXTQSE/
To be a winner, obviously. It's a status thing. Nor is it a matter of the vision thing – a better world is only important to people who don't really matter. So the PM's gamble is based on assuming that his colleagues have faith in his ability to win, and won't deselect him as leader this close to the election, and he can win by citing the meagre achievements of this govt because the alternative is too unattractive to floaters.
I actually don't think they are meagre.
From BG above
‘But in the article below there is a key point of difference between the Nats and Labour on housing policy, where Labour deserves much praise. IMO Labour has it right, and has been successful, on taxes related to houses (bright line test, interest non- allowable), housing density and not permitting houses to be purchased by foreign buyers. (In fact the bright line test is effectively a CGT). This has led to a fairly gentle drop in house prices, though they are still way to high in international terms.’
I agree that the alternative is too unattractive to voters……the ACT policy/critique on school lunches is typical of what we may be in for if a NACT government gets in.
There is zero chance of Hipkins getting rolled Dennis.
Currently true. If the next poll shows Labour dropping further, below 30%, and/or Hipkins below Luxon as preferred PM, game on!
I reckon there's a divide between those within Labour who see it as a party for making progress in Aotearoa and those who see it as a place-holder for the Nats. Hipkins has revealed to us that he leads the latter group.
Bit late, fellas.
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Three former high-ranking Fox executives are blasting Rupert Murdoch for Fox News' role spreading disinformation in the public discourse.
In a joint statement published Wednesday, the executives — Preston Padden, Ken Solomon, and Bill Reyner — expressed profound regret for their roles helping Murdoch build Fox in its early days. Padden was Fox's chief Washington lobbyist; Solomon was the vice president of network distribution; and Reyner was the lead outside counsel.
While none of the executives worked on Fox News, the work they did on behalf of Murdoch decades ago established Fox as a national television force and helped pave the way for the birth of the right-wing channel.
"At the time of our work in the 1990’s, we all greatly admired Rupert Murdoch and his vision and bold efforts," the trio said in their statement. "We genuinely believed that the creation of a fourth competitive force in broadcast television was in the public interest."
"We never envisioned, and would not knowingly have enabled, the disinformation machine that, in our opinion, Fox has become," they added.
https://view.newsletters.cnn.com/messages/1689210125470ca4240ec3efd/raw
Thanks for that. Definitely significant – indicating that even establishment slow-learners can figure things out eventually, given enough time.
When three people adopt a unified political position, that's a triad. Triads generate process, so there will be a helpful effect on like-minded others. Few moderate Republicans have opposed Trump thus far but I see this as a real indicator of an emerging trend (even if it's too late to stop him getting nominated).
Maybe it's because of genuine fear of letting an Opposition in power ready to dismantle the country for harvesting by the rich.
Yes and this is a genuine fear from me, having been around when this was last done in the time of Douglas/Richardson.
We sold much of the family silver after low ball offers, the ones who gained either on-sold or asset stripped.
I agree we don't need this again tWiggle.
Interesting, for anyone who is interested in the problems associated with letting corporations run medicine.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13998
Lest we forget
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2023/02/22/there-is-a-worrying-amount-of-fraud-in-medical-research
Sorry pay walled, but the first two paragraphs which are not, offer a good insight to the whole piece.
Economist article has been archived:
https://archive.ph/p6eu9
Thanks for that Molly