Open mike 18/11/2019

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1. Pat 1

   18 November 2019 at 7:39 am

   An excellent long form piece well worth the time ….he may not have been much as a PM but he does analysis well.

   https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/102607/kevin-rudd-explains-why-he-thinks-two-economic-superpowers-will-make-trade-war-deal
2. Buster12 2

   18 November 2019 at 8:14 am

   Minto supports terrorists, who would of thought it 🙄

   https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/11/18/one-minute-of-your-time-for-palestine/
   • aom 2.1

     18 November 2019 at 8:54 am

     Buster, some clarification would be of assistance. Are you illiterate, or just a red-necked racist. It is very obvious that Mr. Minto doesn't support terrorists – if he did he would be endorsing the MFAT communication. He would also be supportive of the retaliation of the Gazans who under international law have a right to defend themselves – which he isn’t.
     • Sacha 2.1.1

       18 November 2019 at 9:28 am

       Some things are better ignored than clarified.
   • Gabby 2.2

     18 November 2019 at 2:47 pm

     I've never heard him express support for Nuttyahoo, Buttster, 12.
   • Dukeofurl 2.3

     18 November 2019 at 4:52 pm

     Two terrorists became PM of Israel

     Yitzhak Yezernitsky also known as Shamir, headed terrorist group Lehi

     Menachem Begun , head of the Irgun.

     The terrorist acts against the British were too numerous , but the Bombing of the King David Hotel and Deir Yassin massacre are the best knowm
3. Peter 3

   18 November 2019 at 8:23 am

   I heard this morning that the fires in Australia are God's punishment for same sex marriages. Thank you Israel Folau.

   I think God's punishment for the range of terrible things we do is to have to keep hearing the lunacy of Israel Folau.
   • Jimmy 3.1

     18 November 2019 at 9:13 am

     Well said Peter
   • KJT 3.2

     19 November 2019 at 8:18 pm

     Earthquakes are God's punishment for fundamentalist's putting words in, her, mouth.
   • Karol121 3.3

     21 November 2019 at 4:33 pm

     Did his statement go something like; drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists, would all go to hell unless they repent?

     My understanding from engaging from time to time with many of a similar set is that these primary "sins" are just the tip of the iceberg, and that clear provision has been made that, in addition to the aforementioned evils, there is also punishment or damnation (as remedy) for not obeying authority in relation to legislation passed by humans, including laws pertaining to the political manufacture of consent, along with many hundreds of other rules, laws and regulations that are mentioned (or interpreted) as "God's Law, and being snippets or excerpts mentioned in or around the various "good books" circulating globally.

     Along with other ills as accused, I was also cursed as a child for eating meat on a Friday. I should have just stuck with fish and chips, so as to have kept me holy, devout and worshiping authority into adulthood.

     Most gleeful, encouraging, good hope words they utter, some might suggest.

     I guess there's just no room for the wicked who might continue to disregard these salvation warnings, as presented by Mr Folau, (apparently as some direct spokesperson for some god of his and others imagining or realisation maybe), and where, I guess, he and his will have it sweet and be sitting pretty forever in a heaven, which, given the repeated disobedience of "errants" such as I, (in part), will probably be quite empty.

     What a snapper of performance he and others have put on in relation to a spat over an Aussie footy employment contract.

     But in his (and their) favour, they have called out the organisation (Rugby Australia) in relation to what is seen by many as a; "Monday morning referee" approach pertaining to public expressions of belief or even political affiliation on social media, or any other publicly accessible platform, when (as employee) one is held as being representative of such an organisation.

     Perhaps for Aussie, in the future, terms and conditions of employment contracts may have to be very clearly and specifically spelled and acknowledged as understood in relation to the do's and do not's when engaging on social media, BEFORE any contact is entered into by the parties.
4. John Clover 4

   18 November 2019 at 8:45 am

   *1 Peter
5. Adrian Thornton 5

   18 November 2019 at 9:21 am

   Buster supports
6. Adrian Thornton 6

   18 November 2019 at 9:38 am

   I notice that the MSM appetite for this story has somewhat diminished now that it's becoming more likely that they where complicit in what looks like a elaborate fake news story orchestrated by the so call moderate rebels in Syria…

   Syria scandal: New whistleblower claims chemical weapons watchdog OPCW suppressed Douma evidence
7. francesca 7

   18 November 2019 at 9:46 am

   I think you'll find Adrian , that this is all Russian disinformation ….sarc..Putin's diabolical tentacles reach far..

   I'm looking forward to Nov. 25th to see whether the OPCW engineers are allowed to address the annual OPCW conference , as is their wish .

   The OPCW leadership(diplomats rather than scientists)will lose all credibility if they continue to suppress the findings of the team on the ground in Douma.
8. Karol121 8

   18 November 2019 at 4:28 pm

   Just by the way, and more for the interest of "muttonbird", who seems to have been a bit quiet since late August:

   Police Inspector Hurimoana Dennis (described by some as; "The Menace") is back in the news again.

   Apparently the IPCA appear to be a little disappointed by his conduct over the years, from the tone of their two reports.

   If the NZ Police Employment Rehabilitation Fund still existed in it's original form, he'd probably qualify for it. Mental illness, including dementia type condition can seriously impact anyone.

   Early retirement, less racing around and a quiet fishing spot with a water view might be just what the doctor could order for him.
   • Dukeofurl 8.1

     18 November 2019 at 5:02 pm

     Do try to keep up …he quite the police a year or so ago

     His side of the story here

     "But he felt that his intervention in the teenager and his relatives' cases was directly in line with the police's Te Huringa o Te Tai/Turning of the Tide prevention strategy.

     That initiative, introduced in 2012, uses alternative justice methods in a bid to reduce Māori over-representation in arrests and incarceration.

     "There were three young Māori men who had made some mistakes, who had put their hand up to be accountable, had strong whanau support behind them and had admitted their guilt," Dennis said.

     He still has national significance "Dennis as the chairman of Te Puea Memorial Marae, which housed nearly 500 people during the peak of the housing crisis."
     • Karol121 8.1.1

       19 November 2019 at 4:27 pm

       I am not damning him dukeofurl. He appears to have been well liked by many.

       I admit that I am remiss in not determining just when he left the New Zealand Police, and I do hope that his retirement package was adequate and sufficient to cover his other, latter pursuits.

       Thank you for the update.

       Notwithstanding, the difficulty as many see it, being that whereas most other residents of New Zealand without Maori blood in them are expected to accept a; "no excuses, no exceptions" position and conduct themselves accordingly (although many do not), for some Maori it is becoming apparent that they consider themselves to be exceptional, and so therefore, some form of determinable, separatists concessions must be accepted by all others, and must stand until who knows when.

       Using historic prison performances and community disruption as the reason, many Maori are gradually promoting that they will do things their way because they have some (imaginatively arrived at) politically promoted mandate of sorts to do so, based on their having been "victimized" or whatever by non-Maori for an eternity.

       Further, that few should even attempt to criticize their implied position with regard to this.

       This is positively awful for non-Maori, and hey, I do not manifest any racial bias.

       But I do understand the extent of culturally based excuse making that exists right here in god zone or whatever the frig this country is referring to itself as these days.

       As a Caucasian, I've been detrimentally exposed to the actions of many Maori and also a few other identifiable NZ communities in the past, which I personally choose not to go in to, but I'm not looking for special privileges or compensation associated with same.

       I have mixed in and with Maori for decades, and I've found that the more progressive Maori really do not want a bar of this exception making based on blame, bitterness and some uniqueness which really only extends to certain limited cultural aspects, and certain beliefs, which few would (otherwise) have any problem with.

       Personally, I congratulate any group of police who believe, that in the best interests of the wider community, they should take such reasonable actions so as to potentially avert a situation becoming any worse, and where, if left to manifest, such a matter might otherwise end up before the courts (already well and truly overloaded), and with little real, effective solution arrived at upon conviction.

       But what actions, and to what extent?

       With regard to the first IPCA complaint event, he (Hurimoana) and his colleagues appear to have sincerely attempted to mitigate a problem which may well have seen the young man left with a criminal record, plus the likelihood a permanent entry recorded on a sex offenders register somewhere, pertaining to pedophilia.

       I recall being made aware on a number of occasions where NZ Police staff had exercised certain discretionary powers in relation to a number of events they were presented with on a shift to shift basis.

       Most of these discretionary powers have been stripped out as a result of just a few within ranks pushing the envelope too often.

       Just one, was the removal of keys from a tipsy driver, and holding them at the station until someone sober arrived to uplift them, or until the driver him/herself had been given time to sober up.

       Rightly or wrongly as the case may be, many things have changed since the "olde" days, and ways of doing things.

       The black dot on the white sheet of paper risk associated with policing standards and conduct is accentuated these days by the voluminous amount of collection methods available to "catch" police staff off guard when they stray from the newer standards and revised protocol, even if or when the best interests of the wider community are considered by police staff with best intentions at heart.

       He, of all people should have known his, and he should have conducted himself accordingly, both on and off duty.

       I stick with what I said. That he was rumoured as being Dennis the Menace, not in relation to his attitude pertaining to dealing with some matters in-house, but for pushing the envelope in relation to rank, cultural excuse making and favouritism towards those he appeared make exceptions or excuses for, including himself.
       • Drowsy M. Kram 8.1.1.1

         19 November 2019 at 5:30 pm

         "Mental illness, including dementia type condition can seriously impact anyone.

         Early retirement, less racing around and a quiet fishing spot with a water view might be just what the doctor could order for him [Hurimoana]."

         Not damning him (maybe) Karol, but why impugn Hurimoana's mental health? Another rumour? Do you enjoy 'fishing'?
         • Karol121 8.1.1.1.1

           25 November 2019 at 4:39 pm

           Because surely he would have to have been nuts to try it on, knowing how closely watched New Zealand police staff now are, internally by those those further up the chain of command, and externally by the media.

           This, resultant of a rather disappointing series of management and misconduct issues by just a few staff or associated persons, and which for the most part, is being put behind them.

           Overt opinion in relation to what should or shouldn't be considered acceptable procedure by "lone star" types, and what (in their view) should or shouldn't be an exception provided to some within a particular demographic (and not to others) is usually acceptable as expressed, but ONLY as opinion.

           Whatever stress, distress or other influence exerted leading him to take the actions he took, it is reasonable to make a general, common sense assessment that there must have been some associative psychological illness associated with same, given his rank and length of service, and I reiterate that I AM NOT damning him.

           At one stage, police members who qualified were offered a form of early retirement package (PERF) for either physical or mental health issues consistent with job related "hangover" that was not adequately covered by ACC.

           Again, I wish him all the very best in his retirement, semi-retirement or just whatever else it is that he is doing with his post-service time, and I also hope that he has sufficient income to support whatever that is.
9. Cinny 9

   18 November 2019 at 4:52 pm

   Here's an idea for a new industry on the West Coast.

   A fossil fuel addiction treatment centre.

   Inspiration drawn from the Greta Thunberg helpline clip

   
   
   
   • Karol121 9.1

     19 November 2019 at 4:39 pm

     
10. mosa 10

    18 November 2019 at 6:12 pm

    Labour goes back too the future.

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/11/16/labour-goes-back-to-the-future-on-asset-sales-social-credit/
11. Grafton Gully 11

    18 November 2019 at 6:29 pm

    When young I stood for the long live the queen at the pictures and was proud to feel British then I lived in London and saw first hand many locals supporting the Falklands war. Someone I worked with said "she's your queen too" which I didn't like because it sounded condescending and unreal I read a history of the South African War and other books about colonial history. Now I am embarrassed to have the union jack in our flag and Charles and Camilla here and one day he or someone else in his family our head of state. I hope to live long enough to be able to vote for my own head of state.
    • McFlock 11.1

      18 November 2019 at 6:37 pm

      Dunno about electing presidents, but the flag: Laser Kiwi hits me in the heart every time.

      https://nzhistory.govt.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/laser-kiwi-flag.jpg
      • Grafton Gully 11.1.1

        18 November 2019 at 8:31 pm

        At least it gets away from the red white and blue, but I don't like all the black – too many associations with far right and death and all blacks. The fern is a throwback to the volunteers for South Africa and their WW1 and 2 successors. And keep the birds out of it – too much ironic contrast with imperial eagles. The GREEN is nice though. My personal preference is this one. https://nzhistory.govt.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/images/maori-national-flag.gif?itok=bBbyFYNN
        • KJT 11.1.1.1

          18 November 2019 at 8:36 pm

          That gets my vote, too.

          One day we may be mature enough to have it as our flag.

          Maybe when we are allowed to be Democratic?
          • solkta 11.1.1.1.1

            18 November 2019 at 8:57 pm

            Those who own the copyright don't want it to be for the whole country.
            • Grafton Gully 11.1.1.1.1.1

              18 November 2019 at 9:36 pm

              Has it been copyrighted yet ?
              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10624124

              It can be flown with the NZ flag as the preferred national Maori flag.
              https://nzhistory.govt.nz/page/cabinet-endorses-tino-rangatiratanga-flag
              • solkta …

                19 November 2019 at 7:48 am

                Don't know if it has formally been copyrighted. That is not really the point. All artists have copyright over their work. Musicians don't formally copyright every song they create but they still have rights over them. The point is that this is a flag that was designed by Maori for Maori and they want to keep it for Maori. It represents tino rangatiratanga.
            • KJT 11.1.1.1.1.2

              19 November 2019 at 6:09 pm

              Yet!
12. Eco maori 12

    20 November 2019 at 8:39 am

    Kia Ora Breakfast.

    Green Buildings Council

    Whare Health Checks and laws to put the conditions of a healthy home liability on the sellers is needed. A small investment to make sure your whare is good. One can not tell if a house is full of mould just quick visual inspection. A few hundred dollars will save one many thousand in the end.

    Having a online service that is there to help emotionally confused people is a great idea.

    There are a lot of thing associated with Wahine that have been ignored??????? You know that they have had problems on the Space station because everything was designed for Tane.

    Great that animals wellbeing is being highlighted our tamariki need to learn to respect all creatures.

    Ka kite Ano
13. Eco maori 13

    20 November 2019 at 12:37 pm

    Some Eco Maori Music For The Minute.

    https://youtu.be/LHCob76kigA
14. Eco maori 14

    20 November 2019 at 6:27 pm

    Kia Ora 1 News.

    Those are big hail stones down South Island Dan Global Warming.

    That's how the people who rip off Poor 3 World countries who can least afford it wash their money through shoddy bankers.

    Exercise is good for Te tamariki.

    Ka kite Ano.
15. Eco maori 15

    20 November 2019 at 6:53 pm

    Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News.

    Nancy was a great inspiration For Maori actors I see.

    Its good that everyone was well behaved at Waitangi today.

    I agree a Maori Governor General would be nice.

    Its great to see that not only Kiwi Rugby players are in demand.

    Cool 5G technology will increase Aotearoa tech economy greatly low carbon high revenue Ka pai.

    Ka kite Ano

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