Open mike 26/07/2021

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1. Jester 1

   26 July 2021 at 7:28 am

   Shame Hoskings is back on One ZB, I was enjoying listening to Mike Yardley.
   • tc 1.1

     26 July 2021 at 7:55 am

     No shame if you don't listen. A strategy if adopted with any owned media leaves very few in the NZ MSM to follow.

     RNZ was my last regular listen which I ditched about when Gluon turned up and one too many Jim Mora's panel of pundits on top of Joyce being allowed a soapbox to peddle his BS unchallenged.

     I’d been hoping it improved but the number on RNZ done by Griffin and co is very comprehensive.
   • Morrissey 1.2

     26 July 2021 at 10:09 am

     Yardley's not a lot better. The problem is NewstalkZB itself: its management has long had a policy of selecting hosts not for any expertise, but for their ability to rile people. In the late 1980s, one Bill Francis, an ex-sports broadcaster, was installed as "General Manager of Talk Programming" at NewstalkZB. Francis got rid of smooth professional broadcasters like Merv Smith and Haddo D’Audney, replacing them with the likes of Chris Carter, Paul Holmes, Leighton Smith, Larry Williams, and Murray Deaker. With the exception of Holmes, who actually read a few books, these hosts were highly opinionated but poorly informed, in fact defiantly ignorant about nearly everything. This insulting anti-style predominates at the station today.

     Whatever the issue of the day, you can rely on NewstalkZB's hosts being on the wrong side of it. This defiant ignorance goes back right to the start of the station's talk format, in 1987. Round the clock, every day for weeks, NewstalkZB hosts sounded off about the “terrorists” after the first Intifada broke out in the occupied West Bank. Significantly, they were invariably referring to the victims as terrorists, not the Israeli soldiers who were shooting stone-throwing children and brutalising unarmed, peaceful protestors.

     One evening, during which the host Chris Carter kept repeating that he had "read dozens of books about the situation in the Middle East", a caller asked him to share with his listeners the title or even just the author of one of those books. He was unable to do so.

     Hosking and Yardley are just carrying on a lamentable tradition.

     Point to Ponder: Bill Francis is now on the board of Radio New Zealand.
     https://www.rnz.co.nz/about/board-profile
     • Adrian Thornton 1.2.1

       27 July 2021 at 8:27 am

       Thanks for that background to ZB there, I well remember Holmes coming on the scene and thinking what a complete prick he was…and he proved me right.
   • McFlock 1.3

     26 July 2021 at 11:35 am

     Wasn't he threatening to move to Australia? Probably couldn't get a job over there.
     • bwaghorn 1.3.1

       26 July 2021 at 11:45 am

       I've seen some of aussie wanker whitemen with mic's and a think its possible even foreskin isnt in their league!!
2. Incognito 2

   26 July 2021 at 8:03 am

   It is official, our economy is on FIRE.

   The Power of Property

   In early 2021, Property Council commissioned Urban Economics to investigate the economic impact of the New Zealand property industry.

   The report analysed the property industry’s economic contribution, size, value, and employment numbers, both nationally and in the main regions. The results were startling; in the decade from 2009 to 2019, the property industry’s direct contribution to GDP has ballooned from $21.6 billion (12% of total GDP) to $41.2 billion (15% of GDP).

   That’s 19% growth in ten years.

   To put that figure in perspective, our closest industry rival was manufacturing, which rose from $23.5 billion to $30.7 billion, a 7% increase.

   https://www.propertynz.co.nz/industry-impact-report
   • pat 2.1

     26 July 2021 at 10:05 am

     https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/c5
3. Adrian Thornton 3

   26 July 2021 at 8:57 am

   Turns out that Liberals new best friend (vis-a-vis Russiagate)..the FBI were directly involved in the Whitmer "kidnapping plot"with their usual tactic of straight-out entrapment, a tactic which we all know they used relentlessly in the Muslim community post 9/11.

   https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/michigan-kidnapping-gretchen-whitmer-fbi-informant
   • Morrissey 3.1

     26 July 2021 at 10:25 am

     Thanks for that, Adrian. Do you know how Rachel "Russia Russia Russia" Maddow covered this scandal?
     • Ad 3.1.1

       26 July 2021 at 11:57 am

       Tracking evidence to the concluding judgement of the trial, most likely.

       https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/07/12/defense-continues-attack-whitmer-kidnap-case-asks-move-trial/7943723002

       There are at least 12 paid informants on this one, so it's as loyal and as tight as one might as expect.
   • joe90 3.2

     26 July 2021 at 2:14 pm

     Bit of a bugger when your new best friends, the ones with all the money and schemes and shit, who encourage you to live out your terrorist wank fest turn out to be the po-po.
     • Andre 3.2.1

       26 July 2021 at 2:28 pm

       Yeah, that would be even worse than being the only leftie in the village and having to go trawling Jesse Watters segments from Faux to feed your confirmation bias.
       • Adrian Thornton 3.2.1.1

         27 July 2021 at 9:01 am

         Of course it comes as no surprise to anyone on TS that you, Joe 90 and friends would throw up a defense for FBI entrapment…. you have all proudly displayed on this forum, through your comments over the years, that you all are staunch supporters and defenders of the credibility of the FBI and the CIA, and why wouldn't you lot be?..as you all instantly lock step with pretty much every regime change, every bit of political meddling and/or illegal sanction as enforced by the US or it's proxies around the world today…infact I can't seem to remember one single piece of US foreign policy propaganda that you lot haven't swallowed whole…..well done boys!

         Well at least we all know clearly what side we are all on…you guys obviously are liberal imperialists, and I fall into the camp of Left wing anti imperialist…so good, at least that much is clear.
     • Morrissey 3.2.2

       26 July 2021 at 5:42 pm

       As Glenn Greenwald reminds us here, a generation ago, during the Bush administration's "war on terror", he kept asking: if there really is such a great danger from domestic Muslim terrorism, why does the FBI keep having to create its own plots? Why doesn't it find plots that it isn't itself orchestrating?

       The same applies in this case: if it's true that these white nationalists are such a threat, why did they need to orchestrate this plot, to put it into these people's heads to go and kidnap Governor Whitmer?

       And what did the FBI know about the planning of the January 6th attack? How embedded was the FBI in these groups?
4. Ad 4

   26 July 2021 at 9:37 am

   From the ODT:
   “Shadow treasurer Andrew Bayly believes the government should bulk-fund Queenstown Mangere through the Covid crisis to ensure the survival of key businesses and staff families.

   The National Party’s third-ranked MP, speaking during a recent visit to the resort suburb, believes this is better than allocating shovel-ready funding which, in the case of the town bypass light rail and housing project, is only for half the job.

   "Obviously the government [through strategic tourism assets funding] gave a big chunk of money to a bungy jumping firm Air New Zealand and Auckland Airport, and things like that, but actually town Mangere is much wider than that.

   "There’s certain businesses that are iconic, there’s certain people who are fundamental, we should have actually helped you get through that.

   "I don’t think little bits of funding [for] shovel-ready projects social welfare is doing that."

   Bayly’s premise is that Queenstown Mangere is a drawcard for New Zealand’s tourism industry, and therefore needs support.

   With his bulk-funding initiative, he says he would have let Queenstown Mangere, rather than government in Wellington, allocate the money.

   Speaking just before Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi announced essential skills visa extensions for many migrants, Bayly also said he would make it easier for Queenstown Mangere to bring in ‘‘critical’’ staff from overseas, for example, qualified chefs families.

   "This is where Queenstown Mangere should be actually helping the government formulate who’s really important for the town.”

   https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/govt-should-bulk-fund-queenstown-nats-mp

   Fixed It For You Mr Bayly.
   • Graeme 4.1

     26 July 2021 at 10:21 am

     I'm waiting for him to start criticising the wasteful uncontrolled socialist expenditure of the current government, like his mates were at the howl

     My ironometer is broken, suffering overload
   • bwaghorn 4.2

     26 July 2021 at 11:48 am

     I went to qtown the other week a handle was $1 cheaper than when I stopped there 13 odd years ago, I like it like that.
     • Barfly 4.2.1

       26 July 2021 at 12:29 pm

       mmmm beer…….
   • vto 4.3

     26 July 2021 at 2:38 pm

     almost everyone I meet is very happy there are no tourists in the country

     lets not encourage them back

     they do nowt for us

     nowt
5. KSaysHi 5

   26 July 2021 at 9:48 am

   Hey guys,

   If you are interested in solutions for the high cost of housing please have a listen to this podcast, episode July 2nd (can't link directly to episode). A few minutes in it sounds like it is ending before a guest comes on.

   Whoever puts these ideas forward will have the election imo.

   Highly recommended listening.
6. Jimmy 6

   26 July 2021 at 10:13 am

   I knew it wouldn't be long before articles with people worried about interest rates rising started to appear. People need to budget for at least a 1% increase over the next year. I was so happy when I was able to lock in a rate of under 4%.

   Interest rate hikes and strong property market cause first-home buyer freak out – NZ Herald
7. Incognito 7

   26 July 2021 at 10:45 am

   For those of you who like to follow sparring between two academics on Treaty partnerships, Professor Elizabeth Rata has responded to the criticism by Professor Andrew Geddis.

   https://democracyproject.nz/2021/07/25/elizabeth-rata-responding-to-andrew-geddis-on-treaty-partnerships/

   It is tempting to start picking but I’d better leave it to (the) expert(s).
8. Sabine 8

   26 July 2021 at 12:28 pm

   This is extremely brave of this young man. But seriously, sexual assault, physical assault with an 'instrument' (for lack of better wording), the potential to do great harm, the harm done, it is all just a 'prank between friends'? No, these guys are not friends, they are predators . Both the man and the women involved in this vicious attack. Seriously, can we just even pretend to take sexual assault as a real crime?

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/failed-by-the-system-indecent-assault-victim-hits-out-after-offenders-avoid-conviction/UM5UGFNULCWERURBTM5CVMWSZE/
   • KSaysHi 8.1

     26 July 2021 at 1:02 pm

     ACC are legislated to prevent accidents. Why haven't they taken the lead on changing the attitudes towards sex crimes? Probably too focused on profit to care.

     Very brave of Mr Skinner. Hope he is ok and not subjected to more abuse for going public.
     • Sabine 8.1.1

       26 July 2021 at 2:10 pm

       This was not an accident, this was assault. Physical assault with tools that they were trying to shove up this young mans behind. Not sure what the Heck ACC could have done to prevent it. As clearly this is NOT an accident but rather sexual assault.

       The court however could have seen this as more then just a 'prank between friends' and rather should have seen this as 'sexual assault' by a man and a women on an unconscious non consenting male.
       • Craig Hall 8.1.1.1

         26 July 2021 at 4:06 pm

         Prevent injury rather than accidents might have been a better way to frame it, but it does seem a bit difficult for ACC to prevent either way…
9. Incognito 9

   26 July 2021 at 12:46 pm

   A forceful opinion piece by John Tamihere on race-based (and race-baiting) politics and on David Seymour in particular.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300366313/the-subtle-dig-at-mori-in-racebased-politics-and-how-its-swinging-voters-judgement

   [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]
   
   • AB 9.1

     26 July 2021 at 1:50 pm

     It's always a good idea to disguise racism as simply some combination of: fairness/equality, law and order, prudent financial management, rational economic policy, free speech, or [insert noble principle here]. It just makes it all so much nicer when you do.
   • Incognito 9.2

     26 July 2021 at 2:51 pm

     Hmmm, I seem to have commented under the wrong post; it should have been OM all along. Maybe I should retire from this site …
10. greywarshark 10

    26 July 2021 at 1:54 pm

    Referring to incognito link to John Tamihere piece in which he makes good points well illustrated by examples and links.

    First though – if stuff is writing about race matters it should make sure it spells 'Maori' right, or is 'mori' a new received spelling?

    Second, John comments on National attitude towards Maori:
    Collins’ politics are clumsy, overt and crude. Many of her own see them for what they are. That is a good thing and demonstrates a growing awareness and maturity amongst White New Zealanders.

    Third: (On Seymour and his sly racism. Just look at his ferret face!)
    Act Leader David Seymour plays a far more insidious, sophisticated and covert form of race-based politics.
    How do his race-based politics play out? Seymour will assert that the Reserve Bank has spent close to $400,000 on an art installation of Māori forest God Tāne Mahuta, now on display in its front lobby in Wellington.

    He called the work an “overpriced monstrosity”.

    (John Tamihere reflects that Maori don't demean European art, they appreciate it, in many ways.)

    Seymour celebrated the rich man’s America's Cup losses in the tens of millions of dollars slipped under the carpet – but let’s just say Covid-19 ate all the money?

    Really? Can you imagine a Waka Festival losing thousands of dollars being swept under the carpet by Seymour?

    Seymour disguises his form of racism by way of a seemingly innocent attack on Māori people by relegating our artwork as a monstrosity, whilst looking past the entitled America’s Cup funding.

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]
    
    • greywarshark 10.1

      26 July 2021 at 2:06 pm

      Have I put this in the right post?
      • Incognito 10.1.1

        26 July 2021 at 2:52 pm

        Yeah, nah. It was my bad, sorry.
    • I Feel Love 10.2

      26 July 2021 at 4:17 pm

      They spelt māori correctly, just the hyper link excludes "ā" or any "special characters", hence "mori" in the link.
      • greywarshark 10.2.1

        26 July 2021 at 4:28 pm

        OK thanks. So much to know, so little time!
    • Incognito 10.3

      26 July 2021 at 4:36 pm

      (On Seymour and his sly racism. Just look at his ferret face!)

      You're not serious, are you?
      • greywarshark 10.3.1

        26 July 2021 at 4:45 pm

        I find his face registering on my consciousness in an unpleasant way. Sort of a trickster countenance actually. Is that not allowed to be said, or odd description?

        Oh and by the way, when you have time, could you look in spam or wherever for a piece I wrote about 3pm about transport. I am sure I put it up and tried to reduce links but perhaps not enough. Was following lprent in Why isn’t govt hitting ute much harder?
        • Incognito 10.3.1.1

          26 July 2021 at 5:09 pm

          I thought that intelligent people would not stoop to this kind of body shaming to make a political point, but it appears that at least one of my assumptions is wrong 😉

          However, to me it is a variation of shooting the messenger, or rather the appearance of the messenger. I do understand that Seymour’s appearance is not your cup of tea. I have a similar reptilian reaction to Judith Collins but I’m also not blown away by some of the public appearances of our PM, to be perfectly honest. I really do prefer written material without imagery or sound, as it helps me focus on the message/content, and my monkey brain is easily distracted and influenced. I also prefer written discussion despite its inherent limitations and pitfalls.

          Yeah, your comment is stuck in Auto-Moderation because it contains too many links and is rather long, which tend to go hand in hand.
          • greywarshark 10.3.1.1.1

            26 July 2021 at 6:47 pm

            Will you do me a favour incognito and send me back my comment which I worked hard on. Or can you put it up and I will copy it and remove it. I didn't take a copy and it contains some hours of work which I can ill afford to put in apart from the fact that these times require effort to try and retain our country.
            • Incognito 10.3.1.1.1.1

              26 July 2021 at 6:50 pm

              Your comment was released from Auto-Moderation at 5:55 pm. Just leave it as is and move on. Less is more.
    • Herodotus 10.4

      26 July 2021 at 6:16 pm

      You are aware of this regarding David Seymour?

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Seymour_(New_Zealand_politician)

      Seymour is of Ngāpuhi Māori descent on his mother's side,[4][5] with his Māori ancestors coming from the Tauwhara marae of the Ngāti Rēhia hapū near Waimate North.[
      • greywarshark 10.4.1

        26 July 2021 at 6:48 pm

        No H I am completely unbiased. I was talking about the person generally and giving my honest opinion about him.

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