Reaction to harassed waitress story

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https://twitter.com/real_Deity/status/590655923724640257


https://twitter.com/DavidSlack/status/590657034791559169
https://twitter.com/danylmc/status/590660252187648000


https://twitter.com/bootstheory/status/590654521241640960
https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/590628228991168514
https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/590630183650127874


https://twitter.com/DavidSlack/status/590658570141720576
https://twitter.com/mikekilpatrick/status/590651580539674625
https://twitter.com/danylmc/status/590668704876257280


https://twitter.com/Norman_Penaia/status/590667821954244608


https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/590709317151629313

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  1. Stephanie Rodgers 1
    22 April 2015 at 12:33 pm

    I must correct my own tweet: I should have said primary school, not high school. The number of tweets I’ve had from parents saying “this wouldn’t be acceptable at my kid’s kindy” was significant.

    • Sabine 1.1
      22 April 2015 at 12:45 pm

      actually it is in kindergarten or the sand box where boys are usually told not to pull girls hair.

    • Melanie Scott 1.2
      22 April 2015 at 3:27 pm

      My godson’s little boy (18 months) pulled my granddaughter’s (2-and-a- half) hair when he stayed with us at Christmas. That boy is destined to become a prime minister I reckon.

  2. McFlock 2
    22 April 2015 at 12:47 pm

    I think we can all expect grumpy key for the next few weeks. How long before an MP like Winston uses the phrases “splitting hairs” in the House, I wonder?

    Actually, it’s personal enough to Key that such comments would really piss him off. I think he’s already down on the job, making mistakes.

    • aerobubble 2.1
      22 April 2015 at 12:53 pm

      He said sorry… not as pm… maybe for being a man…

    • Jim Nald 2.2
      22 April 2015 at 1:23 pm

      The weirdo has to go. But who will be his heir [pun unintended] apparent?

      • McFlock 2.2.1
        22 April 2015 at 1:43 pm

        some of my best friends are weirdos, of a variety of flavours.
        But they always are careful about consent.
        Feeding one’s fetish without the knowledge or consent of the other party is two kinds of wrong right there. Neither kind is the fetish itself.

  3. Jenn 3
    22 April 2015 at 12:48 pm

    I just couldn’t believe he would be so silly! Thought the guest blogger was being mischievous.

    • Bill 3.1
      22 April 2015 at 12:53 pm

      Not seeing it as ‘silly’. It’s a very creepy expression of entitlement, again….and again….and again.

    • Pat 4.1
      22 April 2015 at 1:26 pm

      now that comment is bloody funny

    • Bill 4.2
      22 April 2015 at 1:39 pm

      Hmm…’cept it’s about abusive, fucked up, creepy, immature behaviour; not about hair per-se. If the hair angle was to take off (effectively a belittling of the issues), the substantive matter of a PM’s repeatedly fucked up behaviour could get lost.

      He could have repeatedly sought to hold her hand, lay his hand on her, or any one of a number of things and it would have been the same shit . That he apparently has a hair fetish that many might find odd, is secondary to physically imposing one-self/violating someones space.

    • Alpha z 4.3
      22 April 2015 at 1:55 pm

      ‘ i pull your pony, you now pull my pony!’ krazy kreep.

  5. Jessica Parsons 5
    22 April 2015 at 1:11 pm

    Help me make “the RH John Kreeyp” nickname go viral 🙂

    “I’d be so not bored if I could touch that hair. How can I touch that hair?”

    RH John Kreeyp and his new twist on Dirty Politics

  6. Jim Nald 6
    22 April 2015 at 1:20 pm

    An idea for public protest especially for when John Kreeyp is around :

    Activists, protesters and other participants should all wear ponytail extensions.

    Imagine Kreepy going into a major meltdown, turning into jelly, because he can’t contain himself and want to tug at every ponytail ?!

    Get the cameras rolling and smart phones ready please.

    Hmm, on second thoughts, maybe not a good idea. This might normalise and legitimise his creepiness.

  7. Charles 7
    22 April 2015 at 1:31 pm

    The pouty reply by Hooten to Bradbury is intriguing…

    (interpreted for those unable to see)

    it’s not even good wine… everyone gets it… so don’t think you’re special, dont think you’re one of us, it doesn’t mean anything, don’t think it’s an apolo… DOH!”

    • Aaron 7.1
      22 April 2015 at 2:46 pm

      Love how Hooten managed to set himself up for a slam there.

      Our culture lives by the rule that you always believe the person with the high status not the other way around. How long will it take us to learn that the exact opposite is true?

      • Murray Rawshark 7.1.1
        22 April 2015 at 6:56 pm

        I’d learned it by the time I was 20. Most people never do. That’s why they get away with it. I doubt if Hooton actually believes or disbelieves. He just knows who has the money.

  8. saveNZ 8
    22 April 2015 at 1:35 pm

    My favourite

    Honeytrap. Labour, Dotcom and Hager placed a pony-tailed waitress there to tempt Key.

    and

    @CitizenBomber giving someone wine isn’t evidence of anything. the whole cabinet and press gallery gets that wine.

    Hello, JK just apologised definitely true. Sort of, maybe, I can’t remember but if I did, i think I would apologise …

  9. Tracey 9
    22 April 2015 at 1:40 pm

    Note Hoots goes from denial of veracity to was it against the law…

    No

    Moral

    Compass

    No

    Compassion for waitress

    • McFlock 9.1
      22 April 2015 at 1:55 pm

      No basic legal knowledge, either.

      Yes it was against the law: both the summary offences act and the crimes act define assault as: assault means the act of intentionally applying or attempting to apply force to the person of another, directly or indirectly,[…]

      It could count as common assault (the least serious offence) under the summary offences act, or male assaults female under Crimes Act, but it would probably just be treated with a police warning or a discharge without conviction.
      But it’s still illegal.

      • Tracey 9.1.1
        22 April 2015 at 2:16 pm

        Our police??!!???

        BUWAHAHAHAHA!

        maybe she could sue him under Tort Law

        “In common law, assault is the tort of acting intentionally, that is with either general or specific intent, causing the reasonable apprehension of an immediate harmful or offensive contact. Because assault requires intent, it is considered an intentional tort, as opposed to a tort of negligence.”

        “first, the plaintiff apprehended immediate physical contact, second, the plaintiff had reasonable apprehension (the requisite state of mind) and third, the defendant’s act of interference was intentional (the defendant intended the resulting apprehension). But intent for purposes of civil assault can be either general or specific. Specific intent means that when the defendant acted, he or she intended to cause apprehension of a harmful or unwanted contact. General intent means that the defendant knew with substantial certainty that the action would put someone in apprehension of a harmful or unwanted contact.”

    • jackp 9.2
      22 April 2015 at 9:30 pm

      Hooten is an idiot. Key walks into a restaurant and gives the waitress 2 bottles of wine…. she isn’t the press nor the cabinet…Mathew Hooten not only gets his facts wrong, he defends the indefensible.

  10. Jim Nald 10
    22 April 2015 at 1:50 pm

    Guess which lines would have been experimented/recycled and rejected by Chief of Staff Wayne Eagleson and Crosby Textor:

    * Labour did it too.

    * I did not pull the ponytail in my capacity as Prime Minister.

    * The PM’s Office did it.

    * I can’t recall.

    * She’s one ponytailer, and like lawyers, I can provide you with another one that will give you a counterview.

    * There’s probably a general view that ponytails are not overvalued.

    * I would not take everything these [people] say literally by any stretch of the imagination.

    * Well, look, at the end of the day, achually [insert whatever you like here] …

    • Bill 10.1
      22 April 2015 at 2:03 pm

      Oops. Just heard JK on Radio NZ. Selling it as one incident that occurred in the context of general mucking about. He needs better heads ups from his minders.

      • freedom 10.1.1
        22 April 2015 at 2:14 pm

        In that comment, he also said the woman said “thanks and (mumbles something)” after he gave her the wine but in the letter on TDB, the woman said he left before she had a chance to respond to him delivering the wine.
        ” Before I could say a word he’d already hightailed it out of there,”

        (odd there have been no new comments on TDB since about 9:30 a.m.)

      • dukeofurl 10.1.2
        22 April 2015 at 4:12 pm

        Campbell Live has tape from Key on campaign trail, where he does the same to a young girl with a ponytail.

        SHEES ABOUT 12.!!!!… This beyond creepy. A 50 year old man . hes no longer 14

        • Bill 10.1.2.1
          22 April 2015 at 4:44 pm

          Ive seen the very short clip. It has no audio. From what I can see JK is utterly fixated on that wee girl’s hair. I’ve no problem with him having a hair fetish if that’s what he has, but his compulsions…?

          I’d like to see a longer clip with audio to get a better idea of where JK’s head might have been at. On the short clip, it’s certainly not a good look.

          • rawshark-yeshe 10.1.2.1.1
            22 April 2015 at 5:14 pm

            What sweet utu it’s a Campbell Live clip and they must have the full item !

          • weka 10.1.2.1.2
            22 April 2015 at 7:12 pm

            “I’d like to see a longer clip with audio to get a better idea of where JK’s head might have been at. On the short clip, it’s certainly not a good look.”

            Yep, and it was probably edited to look the worst.

        • North 10.1.2.2
          22 April 2015 at 7:06 pm

          Ummmh……Yes……’Tail-Tugger-Key IS still 14 !

    • Tracey 10.2
      22 April 2015 at 2:20 pm

      * I will leave it to New Zealanders to decide”

      *It was a faked ponytail from an extreme left wing waiting person*

    • Melanie Scott 10.3
      22 April 2015 at 3:36 pm

      ..and anyway, she shouldn’t have had a pony’s tail in a restaurant. How unhygienic! I’m sure there’s something in the health regulations about ponies in restaurants..

  11. mickysavage 11
    22 April 2015 at 1:58 pm

    Interesting that as far as I can tell Slater has not responded at all.

    • Not Arandar 11.1
      22 April 2015 at 2:28 pm

      [lprent: someone hijacking a email address. Adding to permanent bans. By the look of it some kind of arsehole from Lauda Finem astroturfing a post]

    • Hateatea 11.2
      22 April 2015 at 2:54 pm

      Post from Slater finally up timed at 2.45pm

      He obviously hadn’t heard the clip on RNZ where Key has been interviewed live at Auckland Airport because he thinks that all denials – comment are via spokespeople.

      Edited to correct location – recorded at Los Angeles International Airport

      • freedom 11.2.1
        22 April 2015 at 3:10 pm

        and he is not aware of the signed affidavit apparently

        Slater ranting all authoritative without the facts in place – what a shock 😯

    • dukeofurl 11.3
      22 April 2015 at 4:13 pm

      he supposed to in Dubai with family before going to Gallipoli. Probably travelling to Turkey by now. getting the like to run from Collins.

    • North 11.4
      22 April 2015 at 6:55 pm

      Slater’s sitting in his safe room grimly holding on to his beanie !

    • Murray Rawshark 11.5
      22 April 2015 at 7:01 pm

      He has now, with a piece fairly obviously not written by him. Along with attacks on Bomber (he cops it from all sides), he says that there are much worse things to get Key on.

  12. Tiger Mountain 12
    22 April 2015 at 2:09 pm

    “one tug over the line
 sweet Jesus
one tug over

    –apol to Brewer & Shipley

  13. Clemgeopin 13
    22 April 2015 at 2:16 pm

    Do you think that the Interpol should send an urgent message to warn the Turkish authorities to keep an eye out for women who might be sitting close to Key at Gallipoli? What do you think?

  14. Levi 14
    22 April 2015 at 2:17 pm

    Come on, give John Key a break. He just forgot that he was not at a Young Nat function where ponytail pulling is one of their more intellectual pursuits.

  15. Sans Cle 15
    22 April 2015 at 2:19 pm

    John Key: Hair today, Gone tomorrow

    • Tracey 15.1
      22 April 2015 at 2:23 pm

      chuckle

      but let’s none of us forget how this woman felt, each time he came into the cafe when she was there… for weeks… wondering if he would come in…lack of support from colleagues, manager, employer…

      • Sans Cle 15.1.1
        22 April 2015 at 2:30 pm

        Yes, agreed.
        Nor how plenty of brave women and girls have been so let down by our authorities, politicians and society in general.
        It really is sickening.
        Abuse of power at the WORST level.

  16. appleboy 16
    22 April 2015 at 2:20 pm

    Can’t wait to see that old hair puller from round here FISIANI spouting off to defend his hair pulling creep leader.

    Imagine if Helen Clarke was reported to have pulled at a waiter’s belt as a joke, 6 times? Just what, what the media , national party creeps and the Taxpayer’s Union would be saying.

    Funny how such a little slice of behaviour says so much about Key. there is no defence, it’s just fucking weird and creepy.

    Check Kim Dot Com who has a video clip on his twitter link of key pulling a little girl’s pony tail in an interview with John campbell. Ahh sweet karma

    • Tracey 16.1
      22 April 2015 at 2:21 pm

      Clark.

      She wouldn’t and that is part of the point, nor any PM before her. Just this one, of the setting higher standards than Labour mantra

  17. freedom 17
    22 April 2015 at 2:25 pm

    When was this “public apology”?
    Once again, words and reality are worlds apart
    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/27272485/nz-pm-apologises-for-hair-pulling/

  18. Tracey 18
    22 April 2015 at 2:47 pm

    As you read this, and please, read it, keep in mind the Prime Minister of NZ on multiple occasions pulled someones hair, someone he didn’t know and once told not to, decided it would be funny to pretend to.

    “”Talent without discipline is like an octopus on rollar skates. There is plenty of movement, but you never know if it’s going to be forwards, backwards or sideways.” H. Jackson Jr.

    “We have reviewed these rules four times, and have had lots of reminders within classroom time.

    1. Be nice (no hitting, kicking, pulling hair, biting or calling others names).
    2. Follow directions.
    3. No talking while the teacher is talking.
    4. Sit correctly.”

    Do we need these signs in parliament and in all MP cars, offices etc?

    What to do if they break the rules?

    “Although these rules seem simple to remember, we will have some students that have a difficult time remembering them. Reminders to do our best are placed in the card pockets at the front of the room.

    Each student has three cards, green, yellow and red. They work in a similar fashion to stoplights. A green card means that a student is remembering all of our classroom rules. If a student changes his/her card to yellow, they have had several reminders to (with the exception of violence) adhere to our classroom rules. Hitting, pushing, pulling hair, biting or the like is an automatic card change without reminders.

    If a student has a yellow card, they will walk for 5 minutes of recess time instead of playing. If they turn the card to red, they will need to walk for 10 minutes of their recess time. How will you know how your student’s behavior was on a daily basis?

    Each day in the green folder, I will mark a checkmark in green, yellow or red. I will try to write in the folder what reminders your child was given during the day. Since I wait until the end of the day to write in the folders, descriptions of the behavior will be brief. Your job as a parent is to initial the folder each day.

    Thank you for your cooperation! ”

    http://www.boetcherskindergarten.com/#!discipline/cee5

  19. Naturesong 19
    22 April 2015 at 2:50 pm

    Wow

    Audrey Young: Today I’m embarrassed John Key is Prime Minister

    Has comments section. Fill yer boots I guess.

    I’m off to make some popcorn 😆

    • Clemgeopin 19.1
      22 April 2015 at 3:23 pm

      From that link:

      * “Today I’m embarrassed that John Key is Prime Minister”

      * To learn today that he pulled a waitress’s pony-tail on several occasions at his local cafe makes me cringe.

      * “It is one of those stories that denigrates him and his office”

      * To learn about it just as he is about to represent New Zealand at the Gallipoli commemorations makes it utterly mortifying.
      It denigrates the occasion which has taken on a quasi-spiritual dimension”

      * “The only thing funny about it are the inventive little clips appearing on social media”

      * “Clips of Key saying they were just “horsing around” weren’t particularly smart either”

      * “The pony-tail story is already spreading around the world”

      * “We’ve already had Aussie radio stations calling our office to talk”

      * “He does things ordinary people might do but that have shock value because he is Prime Minister; such as walking flamboyantly down a fashion catwalk; talking about vasectomies at post cabinet press conference; hamming it up with drag queens at the Big Gay Out; and telling UN ambassadors about how Bronagh filed a tax-return with stud-screwer as her occupation.”

      ~~While he should not say that to anyone, I hope the UN ambassador was not a woman.

      • tracey 19.1.1
        22 April 2015 at 3:38 pm

        how Bronagh filed a tax-return with stud-screwer as her occupation.”

        WHAT?????

    • tracey 19.2
      22 April 2015 at 3:34 pm

      WOW… AUDREY YOUNG!!!!!!!

  20. greywarshark 20
    22 April 2015 at 2:57 pm

    Jokeyhen’s image is being constantly abraded – now with the hair clip his image is really abraided.

    But beware – remember Toronto’s clown Mayor. The modern public is so broad-minded about expectations of responsible leaders – he may not be all that great, but he makes me laugh – what a guy sort of thing. (I don’t know if women can get away with this type of thing, the old rules of being three time better than a male and still getting criticised would apply I think.)

  21. ianmac 21
    22 April 2015 at 3:00 pm

    Have you seen this on Stuff?
    “Key’s behaviour serious – employment lawyer. ”
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/67955124/keys-behaviour-serious–employment-lawyer

  22. ianmac 22
    22 April 2015 at 3:02 pm

    In the pic.twitter.com/hZugKgb7xp take careful note of the woman (mother?) behind the little girl. Restraining move? Change of expression?

  23. Pasupial 23
    22 April 2015 at 3:20 pm

    And now the story’s gone international – Manhire in the Guardian:

    Politicians are routinely upbraided for behaviour befitting a schoolyard, but the New Zealand prime minister has now become embroiled in a controversy that centres, quite literally, on hair-pulling…

    Key said when he gave her the wine and apologised, the waitress had told him, “that’s all right, no drama”…

    Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei called the behaviour “bullying” and “weird”.

    “New Zealanders know you can’t walk into a cafe and start tugging on someone’s hair, especially if they’ve told you they don’t like it,” she told media. “It’s a sign of how out of touch John Key has become when he can’t even monitor how inappropriate his personal behaviour is, and when people are not comfortable with how he is behaving.”…

    RadioLive talkback host Sean Plunket said he would not be discussing the hair-pulling controversy because it appeared to him “absolutely propaganda hate speech rubbish” and a “cheap little scummy political set-up”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/new-zealand-prime-minister-john-key-apologises-for-pulling-waitresss-hair

    Perhaps the anonymous waitress will be able to state at some point whether that was what she indeed said. “Before I could say a word he’d already hightailed it out of there”, was how she put it in the TDB post. Perhaps Key misremembers her saying; “I don’t want any more trouble”, at some point in the events as; “no drama”.

    • tracey 23.1
      22 April 2015 at 3:39 pm

      Why is NZ becoming a mean place to live?

      “RadioLive talkback host Sean Plunket said he would not be discussing the hair-pulling controversy because it appeared to him “absolutely propaganda hate speech rubbish” and a “cheap little scummy political set-up”. ”

      And yet he talks about national propagated smear and stories all the time?

    • Anne 23.2
      22 April 2015 at 3:41 pm

      Now we know why he wasn’t bothered by the antics of a certain MP and actually promoted the said MP to chairperson of an important select committee… and even claimed he was cabinet minister material.

      We’re just horsing around… no harm done… bit of fun ya know… at the end of the day everyone has enjoyed it. Move on… nothing to see.

      • tracey 23.2.1
        22 April 2015 at 3:47 pm

        Yeah, actually, to my chagrin, this has creeped me out much more by days end than beginning… it is a pattern, not just the pony tail fingering but all the other stuff…

        richard worth
        roastbusters
        I wont apologise for being a man in the context of sexual violence toward women being perpetuated by mostly men
        comment about his wife’s IRD form
        tania billingsley promised apology-apology retraction
        Chillean Leader
        Sabin
        Someone from PM’s office tacitly supporting Suttons version of events at resignation press conference

        Perhaps a former female employee or two may have the courage to speak up?

        • Anne 23.2.1.1
          22 April 2015 at 4:03 pm

          Perhaps a former female employee or two may have the courage to speak up?

          Very hard thing to do. If my own former experiences is any indication you are likely to end up being re-victimised in some other way over and over again.

          We ought to take bets on how long it will be before we are told that :

          It’s all a naaaaasty left wing conspiracy.

          • srylands 23.2.1.1.1
            22 April 2015 at 4:17 pm

            It is not a nasty left wing conspiracy.

            But it is a vast left wing over-reaction to a minor incident. People do stuff every day that offends. People apologise. Everyone moves on. Get some proportionality in your life. And in this case she actually got two bottles of wine plus an apology. Score.

            • Puddleglum 23.2.1.1.1.1
              22 April 2015 at 4:21 pm

              She didn’t want two bottles of wine and an apology.

              She wanted to be left alone.

            • Sabine 23.2.1.1.1.2
              22 April 2015 at 4:51 pm

              Dear Leader got to sexually harass a waitress and it only cost him two bottles of cheap wine. Go Dear Leader, all they waitresses Ponytails, and all the Ponytails of the little girls belong to Dear Leader.

              Score!

            • Murray Rawshark 23.2.1.1.1.3
              22 April 2015 at 7:08 pm

              How many bottles of wine would grabbing her bum equate to, SSlands? Is there a scale somewhere? How about a groin grab, which Tony Abbott was reported as doing to a female student politician? I’m guessing that would be 4 or so. FJK must be feeling lucky that he’s got a vineyard.

            • North 23.2.1.1.1.4
              22 April 2015 at 8:14 pm

              Brilliant SSLands ! What would ‘after-the-event’ 20 grand sanitise I wonder ? You’re akshilly such a vile thing SS !

            • mac1 23.2.1.1.1.5
              22 April 2015 at 10:33 pm

              srylands, there is one person who gets to say whether it’s a minor incident. Not you. Not John Key either. The waitress gets to define that. She after all had this shit happen to her, repeatedly, demeaningly, unwarrantedly.

              And if two bottles of wine and an ‘apology’ make up for what happened to her, then you have never had this happen to you.

              An apology requires these things. An acknowledgement of wrong done, sorrow for what happened, a commitment never to do it again and making amends.

            • linda 23.2.1.1.1.6
              23 April 2015 at 6:35 am

              srylands are you defending pervekeys harassment of a young women who could have been his daughter.

          • tracey 23.2.1.1.2
            22 April 2015 at 4:20 pm

            some will have long moved on from being his employees

  25. arkie 25
    22 April 2015 at 4:01 pm

    Hooton given an opinion piece on radioNZ website.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/271835/how-will-ponytailgate-hit-key

    Why?!

    • Sabine 25.1
      22 April 2015 at 4:16 pm

      chop chop the knifes are out.

    • tracey 25.2
      22 April 2015 at 4:22 pm

      especially when his immediate response was to assume the waitress was not telling the truth….

      he gets $110 for his appearance on Monday, are they paying him for this crap now?

    • freedom 25.3
      22 April 2015 at 4:23 pm

      “Inevitably, the question will be asked how the Prime Minister would respond were the same facts applied to, say, Paul Goldsmith, the local National MP in the cafĂ©’s electorate. Would Mr Key stand down his new Commerce Minister?”

      Perhaps a better question for Mr Hooton to ask is ‘How would the PM react if it was his own daughter who was being accosted by a fifty three year old man?’

      • tracey 25.3.1
        22 April 2015 at 5:00 pm

        Or if, say, a back bench National MP had bullied waiting staff at a restaurant. Oh wait…

      • Murray Rawshark 25.3.2
        22 April 2015 at 7:15 pm

        I suspect that FJK would want to know what the 53 year old man could do for his career and prospects of future wealth before he decided how to react. He really is that weird.

  26. Clemgeopin 26
    22 April 2015 at 4:10 pm

    Key said that when he gave her the wine and apologised, the waitress had told him, “that’s all right, no drama”.

    However, the waitress in her article said, : Key came with a big smile and two bottles of wine and said, “this is for you, sorry, I didn’t realise.” “Before I could say a word he’d already hightailed it out of there.”

    Two different versions. Obviously, now, one of them, Key or the waitress is blatantly lying!

    Who do you believe?

  27. srylands 27
    22 April 2015 at 4:14 pm

    “Obviously, now, one of them, Key or the waitress is blatantly lying!

    Who do you believe?”

    I believe the Prime Minister.

    • Anne 27.1
      22 April 2015 at 4:23 pm

      Most of us guessed it was the waitress who is telling the truth, but thanks anyway for confirming it.

    • tracey 27.2
      22 April 2015 at 4:23 pm

      I believe the Prime Minister who fondles strangers pony tails over and over including 12 year old girls”

      FIFY

    • Pasupial 27.3
      22 April 2015 at 5:03 pm

      These are Sryland’s first comments since February. When he melted down over Catton’s measured response to the vilification that was hurled her way. In true; can dish it out but can’t take it style, he took offense to being named as “Shitlands”, after calling Catton; “bitch”:

      http://thestandard.org.nz/eleanor-catton-responds/#comment-960976

      When the tories are in a whole land of shit, then we know who they call. I hope that your paymasters are providing double rates for your activity today. Because your line of misogynistic victim blaming is likely to meet with considerable abuse.

      In fact let me start by saying that; “shitlands”, is far too kind a designation for your repulsive nonsense. A well fertilised soil will bring forth bounteous crops, while your harvest will never be anything but withered misery. Arid dust flung into the gears is a more fitting metaphor for your contributions: Dryloins.

      • swordfish 27.3.1
        22 April 2015 at 6:19 pm

        Precisely my thinking. When srylands and gormless fool suddenly turn up after a very long hiatus, you know the Tories are running scared.

    • North 27.4
      22 April 2015 at 7:21 pm

      ‘What’ do you believe SSLands……that PMONZ didn’t behave as alleged ?

      Small prob’ here SSLands……the juvenile’s admitted repeated tugging.

      So now you DON’T believe the Prime Minister I take it ?

    • linda 27.5
      23 April 2015 at 6:50 am

      sryland of course beleaves the pervert who has admitted to being a serial tugger

  28. srylands 28
    22 April 2015 at 4:22 pm

    Oh and the “waitress” comes out of this very poorly indeed. Instead of accepting a gracious apology, she takes the wine AND runs to a hate-blog to make mischief. I know where the public will land on this.

    • Clemgeopin 28.1
      22 April 2015 at 4:25 pm

      Would you feel that way if Key did that to your girl friend, wife, daughter or mother? Do you think it is OK for a PM to behave in the manner he did over and over again in spite of being told to stop?

      • Sabine 28.1.1
        22 April 2015 at 4:56 pm

        He would drink the wine, and tell the girl that its an honour to have their hair fondled by Dear Leader. Also, girls like having Dear Leader fondle their hair especially if they get two bottles of wine for it.

        And don’t forget, Dear Leader owns all the Ponytails in NZ 🙂

    • freedom 28.2
      22 April 2015 at 4:32 pm

      Ummmmm, srylands, why do you have quotation marks around the word waitress?
      Are you trying to suggest the woman does not work at the cafe, even though John Key has admitted it is true?

      There is a sworn affidavit apparently, and video and the PM’s admission…..
      so please, do let us know what you are implying

      • McFlock 28.2.1
        22 April 2015 at 4:58 pm

        Srylands thinks she was an undercover greenie who kept waving her hair in key’s face to entrap him.

        All rather simple, really. In a libertarian paradise, if you don’t want to be touched by customers against your will, you should quit your job.

    • tracey 28.3
      22 April 2015 at 4:33 pm

      This is a warning: Stop blaming the victim or face a ban.

      [lprent: He got a short ban for hypocritically raising a “double standard” when I remember his previous reactions to various stories. ]

      • srylands 28.3.1
        22 April 2015 at 4:47 pm

        Good grief

        • Paul 28.3.1.1
          22 April 2015 at 4:50 pm

          What don’t you defend?

        • tracey 28.3.1.2
          22 April 2015 at 4:59 pm

          Charlie Brown had more class than you, don’t steal his lines without attribution.

          In the circles you move blaming victims may seem a perfectly valid way to construct an observation or even argue your view but it isn’t. It doesn’t create a safe environment for discussion and alienates many of those who would otherwise partake by posting or viewing. That you don’t get that is sad. If you need to be banned until you do get that, that is down to you, not me or this site. It will have been your choice to make.

          It’s always amusing to me when someone espousing libertarian views has appalling views toward women and especially female victims.

        • North 28.3.1.3
          22 April 2015 at 7:22 pm

          I understand your grief SSLands.

    • emergency mike 28.4
      22 April 2015 at 4:49 pm

      “I know where the WO faithful will land on this.” FIFY

    • mac1 28.5
      22 April 2015 at 4:55 pm

      srylands, read before spouting drivel.

      The waitress clearly said 1. she took the wine as evidence of her story and 2. she didn’t drink red wine.

      You provide even more evidence of your inability or unwillingness to engage with any debate since you don’t read what is being argued.

      The only one to create mischief is John Key. “Leave the poor girl alone”- Bronagh Key to her husband, if you won’t believe any other source.

    • North 28.6
      22 April 2015 at 7:50 pm

      What’s gracious about a creepy guy plying with a hundy’s worth of liquour in the hope it will all go away ?

      Stop whistling in the dark SSociopath-Lands about where the public will land. There’s the much more pressing issue of Tugger-Key landing fair on his arse. With you closely behind. Welcome to a hard landing idiot !

      With those two bottles the “waitress” as you pejoratively describe her could no trouble trump Donghua Liu’s fictitious single bottle. Daresay KimDotCom would relish the opportunity to remedy the Rape Crisis Centre’s funding cut in an auction for the benefit of the same.

    • linda 28.7
      23 April 2015 at 6:42 am

      the waitress is a victim of pervekey wondering hands

  29. freedom 29
    22 April 2015 at 4:42 pm

    National Council of Women pen open letter to the PM
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1504/S00203/open-letter-to-john-key.htm

  31. Bill 31
    22 April 2015 at 4:51 pm

    John just made the front page of The Guardian. The piece (a bit inaccurate) has a link to the Campbell moment included.

  32. Clemgeopin 32
    22 April 2015 at 4:52 pm

    Some Key thoughts:

    * I am wondering if, in an unbelievably strange way, Key’s popularity may actually go up, because every time people look at anyone’s pony tail, they may immediately think of John key!

    * Women with pony tails may often think of Key too.

    * Women, especially those with pony tails, will be weary of standing too close to the creep now, but may still vote for the creep as he is a good actor and is able to fool a lot of people all the time.

    * Can any one who addresses Key as ‘Rt Honourable’ honestly feel so?

    * Parliament should present Key with a pony tail wig as his farewell present when he leaves.

    * I think Key’s chances of getting a knighthood have diminished a little.

    * I think the i-predict movements will be interesting to watch.

  33. srylands 33
    22 April 2015 at 5:10 pm

    John Key did something unwise for which he apologised. But it was very minor.

    Where are left wing faux outraged comnetariat when left (ish) politicians engage in truly vile behaviour? Nowhere.

    Len Brown?

    Or the now departed very promising young Labour MP who truly went sexually OTT and had a young man running down the road in Wellington screaming and sobbing?

    I could go on and on.

    For God’s sake get a grip. Or if you can’t get a grip please at least acknowledge your double standards.

    [lprent: You mean those incidents that many years later get referred to by the sexually obsessed right wingers at EVERY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY? Often by the same hypocrites who are currently declaiming that we as lefties should ignore John Key’s little fetishes? That double standard?

    Banned for 2 weeks under the wasting moderator time rule. I’d run you for more, but I can’t be bothered actually digging out links to your previous comments on those subjects.

    You are welcome to appeal this sentence ina comment to spam if think that you haven’t done this in the past. However I will make it two months if I have to look and find that you are running a double standard. To qualify for your own double standard, all it takes is some over-reactive comments to either incident the day after the news was known. ]

    • tinfoilhat 33.1
      22 April 2015 at 5:42 pm

      I believe the vast amount of ‘lefties’ as you call us are not guilty of double standards as we have had the same response to Key, Len brown and Darren Hughes that their respective behaviour is utterly unacceptable.

      Are you happy that your PM has behaved in this way ?

      What would you be saying if it was someone from a political party you didn’t support..say a male Green MP ?

    • Clemgeopin 33.2
      22 April 2015 at 5:44 pm

      You fool! There were many comments decrying/condemning the goings on regarding both the instances you refer to. Do a search and check them out.

      Here is the clip of the Prime Minister trying to belittle the incident and justifying his despicable behaviour. Watch the video in his own words. I think he comes across as bullshitting again. Take a look:
      http://www.scoop.co.nz/multimedia/tv/business/104271.html

      Key seems like he is a pathological liar and a compulsive pony tail puller.

    • tracey 33.3
      22 April 2015 at 5:55 pm

      Wow, seelctive ranting. Many here discussed the Len Brown matter from all angles. Some lefties, including myself expressed major misgivings about his behaviour and the lack of some consequences… As for Darren Hughes he is now in London because he had to resign from politics in NZ. So your almost hysterical utburst, yet agin, just shows you for a fool.

    • Paul 33.4
      22 April 2015 at 7:45 pm

      Now I know.
      You would defend anything.

    • North 33.5
      22 April 2015 at 9:36 pm

      Yeah, a young political opportunist wannabee who, as always planned by those in the background of it, ran off down the street self-rendered naked. Were there any substance behind the ‘screaming’ and the ‘sobbing’ there would have been charges. There were none. It was a stunt, a set-up. So you can shut your foul mouth SSLands.

      You already do go on. You needn’t promise it.

  34. emergency mike 34
    22 April 2015 at 6:05 pm

    Let’s be clear: Aaron Gilmore walked the plank for being an arrogant prick. This is sexual harassment.

  35. freedom 35
    22 April 2015 at 6:09 pm

    bit odd that TV3 news ‘forgot’ to put up their live stream link for the 6pm broadcast

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/3NewsLiveStream for future reference

    and like magic it is now up

  36. Merrial 36
    22 April 2015 at 6:34 pm

    Reading this unfortunate young woman’s account catapulted me instantly back almost 60 years, to when, as a child, I attempted to dodge the unwelcome attentions of an elderly uncle. My deepest sympathies to her; she shouldn’t have to put up with this sort of thing at work – or anywhere else, come to that.

    And there he is in the video link on Stuff, doing the same thing to a child! Now that’s really beyond the pale.

    I’m aware that there’s a subset of the voters who won’t see anything exceptionable in this: he’s just having a laugh, can’t you take a joke?

    But here’s the thing: our hair is a part of our bodies. Nobody should presume to touch it without our permission. He might as well have fondled her breasts; the same principle applies. And – insult upon insult – he does it repeatedly in front of his wife. How humiliating for her, poor woman.

    I’ve long thought that he doesn’t have the gravitas for the job of Prime Minister, and here we see further evidence of that. He clearly has a ponytail fetish, but if he would be PM, he needs the character attributes which enable him to keep those urges under control. It’s very clear that he lacks those attributes.

    I know that he trades on his “everyman” image, but if being an everyman entails this sort of behaviour, I don’t want one such as PM. I want someone who can act with dignity, at least when he’s in public. He can’t credibly represent us now, either here or overseas.

  37. weka 37
    22 April 2015 at 7:24 pm

    “that’s all right, no drama”

    Now whose phrasing does that sound like?

    • the pigman 37.1
      22 April 2015 at 8:38 pm

      Heh, pity the waitress’ letter directly contradicts TRH J. Kreeyp’s account of events.

      You would think the MSM would follow that up but, having read the actual post by the waitress, it seems that instead the issues has been somewhat whitewashed/downplayed.

      Not surprised, but there’s still scope for the complainant to take it further, and JK’s attempts to minimise it/lie about it might be good motivation to do so.

      Then there’s the likelihood that there are some similar stories floating around, since this kind of behaviour is unlikely to be an isolated thing (especially in light of the Campbell Live video.. ew).

    • Stephanie Rodgers 37.2
      22 April 2015 at 10:43 pm

      Could only be more obvious if he’d claimed she said “At the end of the day that’s all right, no drama actually.”

  38. Murray Rawshark 38
    22 April 2015 at 7:48 pm

    It seems to me that he was incredibly spoilt as a child and was praised for everything he did. As soon as he started making a buck, he would have had sycophants licking his nether regions. He has probably never had anyone say no to him and thinks he can do whatever he likes. The true John Galt, exalted by the power of his own will, creating his own planet, and without limits.

    In other words, a deluded nutter.

    • Stephanie Rodgers 38.1
      22 April 2015 at 10:45 pm

      I don’t think it helps to ascribe Key’s actions and attitudes to mental illness. Plenty of psychologically “healthy” people can have massive egos, senses of entitlement, and lack of proper social mores.

      • rawshark-yeshe 38.1.1
        22 April 2015 at 10:58 pm

        His proven compulsive lying is hardly psychologically healthy or ‘healthy’.

      • Murray Rawshark 38.1.2
        22 April 2015 at 11:38 pm

        I don’t think it helps to equate calling someone a deluded nutter, which is quite a common expression among many people, with a diagnosis of mental illness.

  39. sabine 39
    22 April 2015 at 7:55 pm

    The bit that galls me, this man has enough cash to pay him a Lady who would come to his office/house/shed where ever, with her hair in a Ponytail, in Pig Tails, braided etc etc and he could fondle it to his hearts content until he feels satisfied.
    We all have our little kinks that make us go oh la la, but we don’t force ourselfs on unsuspecting and unconsenting people just because we can.

    Abuse of power and standing…whats the waitress gonna do to the PM, whats the little girl gonna say to the man who is old enough to be her father/grandfather….ack ack ack.

    • Alpha z 39.1
      22 April 2015 at 8:22 pm

      (‘whats the waitress gonna do to the PM,)

      may be she cd hve kicked kreep on his gonad nuts sack?

      • sabine 39.1.1
        22 April 2015 at 8:25 pm

        yes, sure ….absolutly thats what she could have done.
        But frankly no, if the ladies would knee every creep in the balls, there would be a lot of man rolling on the floor everywhere on this planet. Men are lucky that ladies are NOT tought how to fight or even just how to defend themselfs. Sadly so.

      • tracey 39.1.2
        23 April 2015 at 9:21 am

        the security team would have arrested her… but didnt arrest him for his assault. A clearer example of power disparity in NZ you could not get.

    • Murray Rawshark 39.2
      22 April 2015 at 11:42 pm

      I suspect he really gets off on the power aspect of it. The feeling that he can do whatever he likes because he’s so popular and such a great man. If he pays for it, there would always be a bit of doubt in the back of his mind about whether it was really his appeal and charm or something else. After all, why wouldn’t he expect a mere waitress to revere him to the same extent as Mike Hoskings and Simon Bridges do?

      • tracey 39.2.1
        23 April 2015 at 9:22 am

        He’s getting to be the popular kid at school… Except he is Prime Minister. It’s all a game and its all about Key.

  40. vto 40
    22 April 2015 at 8:58 pm

    I don’t see how Key can survive this

    • Clemgeopin 40.1
      22 April 2015 at 9:38 pm

      Going by the past where he has survived may lies, his dirty politics, destruction of freedom and privacy, asset sales, pro wealthy policies, anti worker moves, shady ‘blind’ trusts etc, he may yet survive this despicable behaviour with only a minor dent, unless other women, subordinates, cabinet colleagues, journalists etc come forward with new revelations.

      Today on TV3, 6 pm news, one woman even said that she likes Key so much, she would be happy for Key to pull her hair too! Go figure!

      I think that about half of his 49% vote comes from wealthy right wing people who are doing very well money/property wise. The rest of the vote comes from unthinking, easily gullible and ignorant nincompoops, like that voter in the tv3 news.

  41. North 41
    22 April 2015 at 9:26 pm

    Even Hooton’s onto the the twisted ‘power’ aspect to this. This powerful, immensely wealthy prick entitledly just does stuff because he’s powerful and wealthy. While pulling hard on the Everyman Fiction and shitty couple bottles of wine. OMG !

    Fuck they went catatonic over so-called SpeedGate and CornGate re Helen Clark and LetterGate and SorryGate re Cunliffe. What about InappropriateTouchingGate and CreepyGuyGate for Fuck’s Sake ?

    Where’s that FundingGate creep from Antoine’s ? Don’t ever take a waiting job there people !

  42. ianmac 42
    22 April 2015 at 10:08 pm

    http://inagist.com/all/590743559898324993/
    Another little girl with a ponytail and Key!

  43. felix 43
    22 April 2015 at 10:16 pm

    So on the matter of the “apology”, the waitress says this:

    “A short while later he reappeared holding not one, but two bottles of JK 2012 PM’s Pinot Noir. He scurried over to me in the very centre of the cafe and hurriedly handed me the bottles, with big smiles, really big smiles, saying “this is for you, sorry, I didn’t realise.” Before I could say a word he’d already hightailed it out of there, the grinning assassin appearing as if he was the nice guy, whilst no doubt following someone else’s advice to contain the situation before it really got out of hand, and I pretty much felt like in my hands was a bribe.”

    John Key’s version? She said “thanks for the wine, no drama”.

    BLiP, another one for your list.

    NZ media, hellooooooooo? Anyone hoooooome?

    • emergency mike 43.1
      22 April 2015 at 10:27 pm

      As said on the Daily Review thread:

      “Also I wish they would stop saying that Key apologized. Dumping a couple of bottles of wine saying ‘sorry I didn’t know’ with a big grin and legging it before she can reply is not an apology. It’s a butt covering PR exercise straight out of a Bret Easton Ellis novel.

      An sincere apology involves sticking around and make sure that your apology is accepted – i.e. facing up to whatever the other person might have to say to you in reply like an adult.

      As for Key’s conflicting claim that she said “It’s all fine” or whatever. Who shall we believe? The victim who has brave enough to come forward? Or Mr Pony Tail Lover the known reflexive liar?”

    • BLiP 43.2
      24 April 2015 at 6:57 am

      ‘

      Noted with thanks.

      • felix 43.2.1
        24 April 2015 at 7:30 am

        …although I think I got his lie wrong, should be “that’s all fine”, not “thanks for the wine”.

        Not that it matters, it’s all just mumbled bullshit gibberish in a language all of his own.

  44. Clemgeopin 44
    23 April 2015 at 11:19 am

    Key fiddles with locks.
    Protect locks. Throw out Key.

  45. Clemgeopin 45
    23 April 2015 at 12:23 pm

    A new design for Key’s other hobby horsing around, the new flag design:

    Either a single pony tail,
    or
    a dozen of them,
    or
    a single pony tail through a key hole.

    Now every one in the whole world will know it the NZ flag as long as it has a pony tail in it! Well done, creep!

  46. humPrac 46
    23 April 2015 at 9:29 pm

    When people who have supported “Key” realize just how psychotic he is, they should then evaluate their own methodologies of determining truth, because “Keys” nasty nature has been evident through what he’s implemented, and how he has reacted to accusations against him, ever since he first took on the role of PM.
    It’s that basic.

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