Relationships Aotearoa to close today

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1. OMBE 1

   9 June 2015 at 9:09 am

   RA was poorly run, and obstuctive. It did not co-operate with Audit NZ or MSD in terms of use of funding requriements ie. so how many people did you actually provide counselling to ? (look at the RA annual report and teh numbers they claimed now). The sense of entitlement from RA management has not been supportable by any verifiable facts for the money they received. Murray Edridge provided a very informative and factual analysis on Duncan Garner Drive/Radio Live which makes me believe that the SFO will likely get involved once the receivers have started their job tomorrow.
   • mickysavage 1.1

     9 June 2015 at 9:26 am

     Edridge is the person who has been trying to beat up RA for refusing to hand over clients information.

     If you have a look at its funding over the past few years it has suffered significant cuts which it has managed. It still had reserves according to its last annual return. My very strong impression is that it has made responsible decisions in the face of overwhelming pressure. And the last return has a multitude of figures in it.

     Funnily enough I cannot find a link for your Garner-Edridge interview. When did it happen?
     • OMBE 1.1.1

       9 June 2015 at 10:00 am

       Try the audio link for yesterday at 5.15pm
       http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio.aspx

       Look through teh annual reports of RA http://relationships.org.nz/?s=annual+report
       and look at the chnages in cost overheads. Last yeat they claim they helped 27,600 people. During the media recently the number was just 7000. MSD have been trying for some time to get a verification for on teh numbers and have been stonewalled by RA managment.
       • mickysavage 1.1.1.1

         9 June 2015 at 10:11 am

         I listened to it and I do not agree with your analysis.

         RA had legal advice which they followed. They should not be criticised for doing this.

         The organisation has been in crisis because of the Government’s actions. That it has not been able to respond quickly is not surprising.

         Your SFO comment is specially disingenuous. A liquidator is to be appointed and Everidge said that he did not know what the results would be. There was nothing that he said which could even be implied as indicating the SFO would get involved.
       • tracey 1.1.1.2

         9 June 2015 at 10:14 am

         How long have MSD been concerned?
     • mpledger 1.1.2

       9 June 2015 at 12:47 pm

       If you look at Murray Edridge linked in profile
       https://nz.linkedin.com/pub/murray-edridge/5b/79/787
       you can see he was chief executive at Barnardos before going to MSD. I guess we must judge it a conincidence that Barnados was one of the groups supposed to take over part of RA’s job.
       • Sirenia 1.1.2.1

         9 June 2015 at 2:03 pm

         Barnados does not generally do counselling, so it was strange that they were on the list, unless they were considering a whole new counselling business. But there could be some historic antagonism going on between RA and others. Stand, which has got the bulk of the contract, is the old Children’s Health Camps which also seems strange. Not known for counselling expertise for adults.
   • tracey 1.2

     9 June 2015 at 9:31 am

     Thanks OMBE, can you link to the pertinent parts of the report?

     Do you know how long MSD have been worried about RA?
   • One Anonymous Bloke 1.3

     9 June 2015 at 11:06 am

     “Verifiable facts.”

     Well we know that no-one else is prepared to do the work they were doing, so it looks like the only person with a fact-free analysis is you. Do you often allow yourself to be duped like this?
2. Sirenia 2

   9 June 2015 at 9:16 am

   This is very serious mishandling by the Minister and MSD. There are hundreds of vulnerable children and families involved and relationships developed with counsellors over a long time. There are also complex relationships between those vulnerable families and other agencies such as family court, CYFs, schools etc. Relationships Aotearoa counsellors often played a facilitation role among people and agencies around that family. Some files will be large and complex. People are not widgets to be shipped around.

   We are risking lives and deaths with this mess. If there really were governance issues with RA then governance help could easily have been provided and the organisation could have continued. I am astounded at how badly this has been handled by government.
3. Charles 3

   9 June 2015 at 9:19 am

   MSD actively engaged in undermining social development
   MSD misrepresenting views
   MSD trying to measure specific psychological indicators with unrelated material acquisitions…

   “Sounds like they’re out of touch, or incompetent, or both. Ra ra ra! down with MSD, who needs the Orwellian named MSD anyway? Labour created that mess! Who needs the government involved in social development of anything..?”

   Now who would benefit from promoting that mindset? Hmm. I wonder. Expect to see the end of MSD, should National win another election, maybe sooner.
4. AsleepWhileWalking 4

   9 June 2015 at 10:47 am

   Sorry, but as someone who has been involved in seeking funding from MSD this bit is incorrect:

   “MSD’s view that as funder it has full rights to clients’ information is clearly not correct.”

   It is written into the contract that they have full access to client files. (Of course the Privacy Commissioner is correct to express the horror of that, given that clients have NO IDEA that this is the case, and given that the information belongs to the client, not the contracting NGO….it’s not as if they are asking their clients to agree to sharing of personal information with funders in most cases…ugh. No doubt if clients were presented with a form *consenting* to info sharing this would be framed as “their choice” to share information with the funder in exchange for critical assistance – double ugh).

   This was one of the reasons I resigned last year from an organisation who was about to agree this type of funding out of desperation in an ever tightening funding environment. Clients with *extreme* backgrounds deserve better than to be placed in this predicament.
   • mickysavage 4.1

     9 June 2015 at 11:22 am

     Thanks AWW. I see similar forms quite regularly. It is fascinating what the Privacy Act can do to the even apparently clear forms and the ethical obligations that counsellors have makes this a much more difficult issue than MSD thinks.
5. mac1 5

   9 June 2015 at 11:11 am

   I get the feeling that I am seeing another potential debacle like the teacher pay system changeover whereby the change was made before ensuring that the new systems were capable of handling the change.

   A similar case is in the situation of the sale of community housing to the Salvation Army who ended up not wanting a bar of it.

   This government calls itself good managers?
   • Sirenia 5.1

     9 June 2015 at 11:25 am

     Although this time we have no Campbell Live to champion it on behalf of those wronged. We are also talking about some of the most vulnerable, traumatised and at risk children and adults in the country. Unless this is sorted quickly there will be consequences.

     It is really tough being a contractor to government these days with huge and moving hoops to jump through as well as a constant requirement to do more with less. Bullying is not unknown.
6. Sirenia 6

   9 June 2015 at 2:04 pm

   $1m would have kept RA open. Yet Stand, the old Children Health Camps, gets $3m to take over some of the contracts. Something not right in this equation.
7. adam 7

   9 June 2015 at 2:48 pm

   Now who are Serco again?

   Do MP’s own shears?

   Opps nothing to see here… move along.
8. heather 8

   9 June 2015 at 4:58 pm

   I have to say the old Children’s Health camps would have to be the most peculiar organisation to take over Relationship Services work.
   What do we know of this organisation? what experience have they in providing the complex work of Relationship Services?
   What is happening to those people who do not have a councellor to work with at the moment? Is the Government going to say sorry, again, if someone dies?
   Did the contract for Relationship Services change with MSD, did they, Iike other organisations have to provide more services for less funding?
   Why did all the other organisations turn down the work? possible for the same reason Salvation Army turned down the State Housing.
   There are so many unanswered questions in this sorry saga.
9. Seal 9

   12 June 2015 at 7:04 am

   MSD has a stated aim to reduce the number of NGOs that it funds. It is going to be very specific about targeting. Expect massive cuts to many agencies and services.

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