Swimmable standards that aren’t for all of our rivers except most of them

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1. Draco T Bastard 1

   5 March 2017 at 9:02 am

   Typical National: A policy that achieves nothing but to make it look like they’re doing something and their backers in the farming community happy by allowing them to remain the dirty, polluting, fuckers that they are.
   • dukeofurl 1.1

     5 March 2017 at 9:32 am

     Its a Fonterra First policy
     • marty mars 1.1.1

       5 March 2017 at 9:36 am

       + 1
     • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2

       5 March 2017 at 10:32 am

       +1

       Pretty much.
2. Keith 2

   5 March 2017 at 9:17 am

   Another lie from the Nats demonstrated with crystal clarity yet again begs the question, how can anyone trust National?

   How can you take anything said by them or any statistic quoted by them as accurate?

   Everything is a facade under National because we are told our economy is growing rapidly and everything is rosy and with that fairytale comes Nationals standings in the polls. But as Nationals clean water lie shows what is more likely is our economy resembles many fingers blocking holes in a crumbling dyke.

   The latter would explain the dire situation of many government departments, the ones they can’t sell like mental health, CYFS, the police, and hospital boards to name but a few that are genuinely struggling with quite severe under funding. Why, if our economy is the envy of the world according to propoganda, is the above even a reality?
   • Draco T Bastard 2.1

     5 March 2017 at 10:35 am

     Another lie from the Nats demonstrated with crystal clarity yet again begs the question, how can anyone trust National?

     If people were rational no one would because National always lies.

     People aren’t rational.
3. marty mars 3

   5 March 2017 at 9:35 am

   Yep Smith is a disgrace – thanks forest and Bird.

   Lots of articles news stories and petitions – NZ water forum – Bung the bore facebook

   Lake Tutira in hawkes bay video is great and sad and anger inducing
4. Jenny Kirk 4

   5 March 2017 at 9:48 am

   Totally agree. Rivers and streams up here in the north are in the same shocking state as everywhere else – and although some locals are doing the hard yards in helping vegetate some buffers, not enough is being done.
   It shouldn’t just be up to volunteer locals to do the job – it needs proper funding from govt – and soon.
5. red-blooded 5

   5 March 2017 at 10:17 am

   Most kiwis swim in small, local rivers. The bigger, more strongly flowing waterways aren’t safe and lives are lost. We want to be able to swim in local swimming holes and camp in the summer holidays by wee rivers with the kids. That’s the kind of NZ I want and this lot just aren’t interested.
6. Keith 6

   5 March 2017 at 12:57 pm

   Lets call this what it is, good old Deception!

   This absolutely reeks of the few’s interests being attended to whilst the majority suffer. Could it be the farmers have told their National Party that they do not want any part of farming with consequences. They will have told them their margins are too thin as it is and if you want us to control sewer into waterways then the donations cease and you guys are out of power.

   Nek minute policy spokesman and resident wind up idiot Nick Smith is fronting the latest exercise in smoke and mirrors/lying policy on the hoof because the Nat’s know people are getting tired of our open cesspools masquerading as waterways? You know, poison a whole towns drinking water with farm effluent doesn’t go down well does it, even if the rigged investigation into it tried to cover up the facts. So they have to come up with some kind of fraud pretending to care when they don’t.

   Look at those maps, they could be anywhere in this country and a lot of the tributaries to those major waterways or the sea will have some form of farm somewhere around them. How can any workable policy on maintaining clean waterways not include those? Answer it cannot.

   One way of cleaning up waterways oddly enough is to clean up political donations and bring all donations and their donors into the cleansing light of day and show the public who you are. Maybe then a lot of donors will shy away and the influence brought to bear on the likes of National who care more for their donors than the public may be deflated, stopping this corruption!
   • solkta 6.1

     5 March 2017 at 1:50 pm

     I don’t think National have ever been serious about cleaning up waterways and have always been onside with farmers. This pretend policy change from National is simply to try and take some wind out of the Greens sails as they know they have been taking a big hit on this issue.

     National first announced their national water quality standards on 3 July 2014 ahead of the election to be held on 20 September. NOW with another election approaching they are trying to make it appear that they have beefed up those standards again in response to the Greens Swimmable Rivers campaign. 100% bullshit!
7. rhinocrates 7

   5 March 2017 at 7:43 pm

   Where’s Wayne Blimp to reassure us that everything’s all right and raw sewage is actually Champagne?

   Or do even the Nat cowards know that they’re seen by everyone to be craven liars on this issue and are running away?
8. AB 8

   5 March 2017 at 11:29 pm

   I expect Nat Grandees don’t go anywhere near their local rivers. They have overseas holidays.
   As long as there are some iconic, clean high-country rivers on the tourist trail that’s all that matters, economically-speaking.
   Local rivers used by local plebs can all go to sh*t.
9. Antoine 9

   5 March 2017 at 11:45 pm

   These water quality standards are a bit uninteresting.

   Setting a standard doesn’t make water any cleaner or dirtier.

   What is interesting is what the parties are actually going to _do_ about water quality.

   A.
   • McFlock 9.1

     6 March 2017 at 12:22 am

     Setting a standard implies that something needs to be done (it doesn’t meet the standard), or it implies that nothing needs to be done (in this case, the standards being wider and applying to fewer waterway mean that a waterway that makes someone sick either meets the standard or doesn’t have a standard to apply).

     The nats want it to look like nothing needs to be done in their political future, purely in order to justify their intention to not do anything.
     • Antoine 9.1.1

       6 March 2017 at 3:22 am

       Right so if they don’t do anything, I agree that’s bad.
     • Antoine 9.1.2

       6 March 2017 at 3:23 am

       But if they came out with a really stringent standard covering all bodies of water, that would be no better – unless they actually did something about it!
       • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.2.1

         6 March 2017 at 8:16 am

         You really need to have a think about the way standards are enforced and by whom. Consider Horizons vs. Fish & Game for example.

         That also should provide you with a clue to what the National Party;s PR exercise is designed to achieve: nothing. Fish and Game were successful in court because Horizons were missing the targets they set. No chance of Nick Smith ever missing his target, because it formalises the status quo.
         • Antoine 9.1.2.1.1

           6 March 2017 at 12:03 pm

           > That also should provide you with a clue to what the National Party;s PR exercise is designed to achieve: nothing

           I’m agreeing with you! I don’t think these standards are very interesting or important.

           A.
       • McFlock 9.1.2.2

         6 March 2017 at 12:47 pm

         Well, it would be better even if they chose to do nothing about it because the standards will be there for all to see, the failure will be there for all to see, and voters would be able to make an informed choice.

         The only reason the nats are tinkering with standards is because this is an issue voters care about, after years of campaigning by the Greens, Forest&Bird, and a variety of other organisations.

         The widening of standards isn’t a plan to help the nats achieve improvement, it’s a plan to hide their inactivity about worsening water quality.

         If doing nothing while failing narrow standards meant nothing, they wouldn’t even draw attention to the issue by trying to hide their bad performance. So yeah, doing nothing with narrower standards is better than doing nothing because your standards are so wide you’ve already met them.
10. Philj 10

    6 March 2017 at 6:59 am

    If it wasn’t so tragic it would be a Monty Python comedy sketch. Good work Forest and Bird. Now if only the Mainsteam Media would report this. TVNZ, RNZ? Calling Giles Beckworth or Phil Pennington?

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