The definitive voting guide for 2017

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1. Gosman 1

   5 May 2017 at 2:50 pm

   ACT has publically announced there is a housing crisis

   http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1703/S00293/fix-the-rma-fix-the-housing-crisis.htm
   • mickysavage 1.1

     5 May 2017 at 3:06 pm

     The crisis they are talking about was apparently created by the RMA. Still lala land stuff.
     • Gosman 1.1.1

       5 May 2017 at 3:29 pm

       Not really. The issue is there is not enough land being released for houses. Even Labour acknowledges that.
       • Matthew Whitehead 1.1.1.1

         5 May 2017 at 3:34 pm

         Except their fix won’t release more suitable land, it’ll release more unsuitable land. And we saw what that can look like in certain areas of Christchurch, so maybe we shouldn’t be so fast to talk about gutting the RMA as a “solution” just because we all acknowledge more land for housing is one step that will help.
         • Gosman 1.1.1.1.1

           5 May 2017 at 4:05 pm

           The Greens and Labour still require more land to be released (or at least re-zoned for greater density). Where are these 100,000 additional houses going to be built? That will likely mean greater demand for land AND then even higher housing prices.
       • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1.2

         5 May 2017 at 4:21 pm

         No matter how much land is released there will still be a crisis – especially once we run out of land.

         And that’s not even taking into account the economics of sprawl.

         It’s not the lack of land that’s the problem but the fact that we’re not building up and going for higher density but more liveable cities.
         • Gosman 1.1.1.2.1

           6 May 2017 at 7:34 am

           We are unlikely to run out of land. NZ people per hectare is low by World Standards for an urbanised society.
           • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1.2.1.1

             6 May 2017 at 11:04 am

             NZ people per hectare is low by World Standards for an urbanised society.

             And that would be because we keep adding to the uneconomic sprawl of our cities rather than building up which, of course, increases the amount of land used per person thus decreasing the amount of land available faster.

             So, yeah, under the delusional ideology of the right-wing we’d run out of land pretty quick.

             You can’t have your cake and eat it too
       • Muttonbird 1.1.1.3

         5 May 2017 at 5:07 pm

         No.

         The issue is an lack of central government vision on infrastructure (while importing huge numbers of people) which has led to the Auckland council not being able to release land for fear of making serious long term city design and transport mistakes.

         It is politically expedient for greedy RWNJs to concentrate the blame for a lack of housing development at Auckland Council when the real problem is poor management by the National government in infrastructure modelling which has been compounded by poor immigration management over the last 9 years.
       • lloyd 1.1.1.4

         5 May 2017 at 6:22 pm

         There definitely isn’t enough land for the 450 metre square ranch style dwelling with four car garage that the cabinets’ mates build. I mean you do need at least one hectare to put in a decent drive and a practice golf hole in the front yard.
       • saveNZ 1.1.1.5

         6 May 2017 at 7:12 am

         Yes as well as the mythical ‘land crisis’ which does not exist (it’s a building crisis stupid, or more to the point the cost of producing a building in this country is well beyond the wages of most people to afford, so we have to import people in and create an economy based on a ponzi construction model)

         – there is also the Natz and ACT idea that like pigs we fly around, because even if there were housing, then we can’t get around because some dimwits never put in public transport that people can afford that has links back to people’s houses so they can get home and works.

         And to top it off, somehow every time it rains, sewerage goes into our beaches. This was supposed to be stopped years ago, but apparently in spite of all the extra water charges, extra compliance for everybody with septic tanks – this was never solved.

         So for every person we now don’t have enough houses, they can’t get from A to B with absurd public transport and gridlocked roads and their shit goes into the harbour every time we have a huge down pour.
         • Gosman 1.1.1.5.1

           6 May 2017 at 7:42 am

           Ummm… no it isn’t a building crisis. Land by far makes up the majority of the rise in the cost of housing over the past few years
           • saveNZ 1.1.1.5.1.1

             6 May 2017 at 8:31 am

             so the right wingers keep telling us….funny though even the off shore construction companies are complaining about the cost of building here…

             And in Auckland for every house being demolished, another bigger one is coming up. (p.s. that’s not increasing housing, even though the figures record it as such).

             The council love it and rubber stamp every consent – but again, it’s making housing less affordable and blocking out amenity – like sun – which in the age of solar and oil crisis is not going to end well as well as making future houses colder and damper and having to spend more on artificial heating options that increasingly people can’t afford. I guess that’s capitalism!
             Apparently NZ has some of the biggest housing in the world. But even in Oz which has bigger houses, the cost of building is much less per square meter.

             With the unaffordable unitary plan there was removing democracy, rubber stamping consents, losing greenfield spaces, removing character, but increasing density and sustainablility was missing.

             In short there needs to be more homes that can be run cheaper allowed on the land not larger buildings.

             And if anybody trys to put on a granny flat – no stone left unturned for the council to try and stop it.

             Don’t even think about buying land and putting on a yurt to live in! You will be prosecuted even if it’s on a lifestyle block in the middle of nowhere.

             Sadly in this country the government, local and central and more and more lobby groups are more interested in stopping many people being able to have housing and controlling it for profit and political reasons, while allowing richer people and businesses to do what ever they like with public resources.

             The result. Auckland. Man made housing crisis and increasingly, less ways to solve it. We now have a pollution and transport crisis to go with the housing and job and wages crisis.
     • aerobubble 1.1.2

       6 May 2017 at 11:40 am

       Oz govt desperate to shoreup is banking industries exposure to the Auckland housing market. First crims, now families foloowing their kids forced to goto uni in NZ. Both Nats and Liberals dont want a housing collapse on their watch. Though niether will anyone bother to build homes, less the class stratification of society turns round.
2. Carolyn_nth 2

   5 May 2017 at 3:01 pm

   What’s the Greens favourite phrase? keep cup? eh?
   • ropata 2.1

     5 May 2017 at 3:31 pm

     Must be a Wellington thing?
     Apparently a green alternative to disposable coffee cups
     https://nz.keepcup.com/about-us/
     • Matthew Whitehead 2.1.1

       5 May 2017 at 3:36 pm

       They’re certainly a thing, but this Wellingtonian Green had never heard that name before, lol.

       Also, I’m rather fond of the term “Comrade,” but don’t think Labour’s socialist enough to vote for. 😉
       • mickysavage 2.1.1.1

         5 May 2017 at 5:29 pm

         A few of us still use the phrase. Some others would die if they were described in this way …
         • Karen 2.1.1.1.1

           5 May 2017 at 6:08 pm

           Martyn Bradbury has ruined the word “comrade” for me. He uses it so much, (often while attacking unions) that it has somehow devalued a term that I used to like.

           This is the first I have heard of ‘keepcup’ as a reference to the Greens, and I follow quite a number of Green supporters. I rather liked the chart though.
     • james 2.1.2

       5 May 2017 at 4:10 pm

       Thanks – that was lost on me as well. Never heard of them.
     • Carolyn_nth 2.1.3

       5 May 2017 at 4:55 pm

       Ah. Thanks.
   • indiana 2.2

     5 May 2017 at 3:40 pm

     Probably a plastic one too.
     • Carolyn_nth 2.2.1

       5 May 2017 at 5:01 pm

       The advertising claims the materials used make the cups are recyclable and sustainable.
3. Muttonbird 3

   5 May 2017 at 5:15 pm

   I’d be interested in Marty Mars’ view on this. According to the chart he has a soul but is happy with the current government.

   The two are mutually exclusive, I would have thought.
4. bwaghorn 4

   5 May 2017 at 5:23 pm

   you missed

   most people are idiots ]

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5. xanthe 5

   6 May 2017 at 1:39 pm

   Or just vote Internet Party
6. DS 6

   7 May 2017 at 11:50 pm

   The Maori Party *had* a soul. They sold it in exchange for ministerial limos.

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