The Future of Work Commission report

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1. millsy 1

   6 November 2016 at 10:25 am

   The voluntary work proposal sounds interesting, but it will need to come with a benefit increase.
   • infused 1.1

     6 November 2016 at 2:42 pm

     Why? Do you not understand what voluntary means?
2. Ad 2

   6 November 2016 at 11:07 am

   Can’t understand why they aren’t just tweaking immigration policy instruments. Far more efficient and targeted than a new tax.
   • Enough is Enough 2.1

     6 November 2016 at 11:11 am

     And that is the one things the Nats will (and are) focussing on.

     They are simply calling this a tax on small business. It is an easy and effective one liner for the Tory scum
     • Stuart Munro 2.1.1

       6 November 2016 at 1:30 pm

       Labour need to flip it back – “Small businesses will only face more tax if they don’t hire New Zealanders – but tax evader trusts? They’re going to be taxed so hard they’ll be bleeding black ichor from their eyes.”
3. Stuart Munro 3

   6 November 2016 at 11:43 am

   So far the future of work initiatives look top down. This limits the speed at which they could grow. In Asia the traditional approach to stimulating small business has been to build markets where people can sell things – typically produce – with very modest rents. This benefits consumers and small producers – and it’s bottom up.

   Clusters sound promising but need an a strong growth imperative rather than a tenuous subsistence.

   Some thought should be given to axing Treasury, whose profoundly dodgy math we have to thank for mistakes like Compass, which supplanted local meals on wheels with an inferior service and has already demonstrated that no savings will be achieved. Treasury is the most expensive mistake in New Zealand.
   • greywarshark 3.1

     7 November 2016 at 12:32 pm

     @Stuart Munro
     thought should be given to axing Treasury, whose profoundly dodgy math we have to thank for mistakes like Compass, which supplanted local meals on wheels with an inferior service and has already demonstrated that no savings will be achieved. Treasury is the most expensive mistake in New Zealand.

     Agree 105%. Treasury would know how to absorb such a figure!
     And it pays to remember that their counterpart in USA is privately run, and has watcher/auditors that ensure it is kosher, but the watchers have themselves been captured and face rebuke or dismissal for exposing bad behaviour.
4. fisiani 4

   6 November 2016 at 4:10 pm

   Why did no one check out Jacinda’s dodgy arithmetic
   10,000 people at $15,860 is clearly $158.600,000
   How can she claim is would cost just $60,000,000
   My theory is that Grant Robertson gave her the script to read and he wants her discredited so that he can assume the leadership after next year’s election humiliation.
   Minimum wage of $15.25 an hour for 40 hours for 26 weeks is $15,860 per person.
   • Craig H 4.1

     6 November 2016 at 4:52 pm

     That assumes it’s 40 hours per week, and not 30 (full time for benefit and immigration purposes is 30). Also, they will pay tax as normal which will decrease the net cost to government, and they are already receiving a benefit, so that amount does not have to be budgeted for either.

     More indirectly, they will pay GST on most of their spending, so the government will get that back as well.
     • fisiani 4.1.1

       6 November 2016 at 4:54 pm

       Add in the cost of mentors and the administrative costs and she is still wrong. Minimum cost would be $120M . Twice what she claimed. Surely she is not that innumerate?

       PS No one on minimum wage pays tax!!!!

       Her costings are so badly wrong that the policy will be scoffed at. I still blame Grant Robertson. He wants to burn off any competitors.
       • Craig H 4.1.1.1

         6 November 2016 at 11:18 pm

         Not sure where you get the “no-one on minimum wage pays tax” from – NZ does not have a tax-free threshold, so people on minimum wage most certainly pay tax. People on minimum wage with children may receive more in Working for Families than they pay in tax, but that’s not the same as no-one on minimum wage pays tax.

         Following on from above, since you failed to cost it properly, here is my basic costing, assuming 30 hours per week work (full-time as defined by the Social Security Act):

         Minimum wage is $15.25/hour x 30 = $457.50 per week = $389.93 net (less PAYE) per week. I used the PAYE calculator on the IRD website to calculate this.

         Net Benefit for someone < 25 is $175.10 per week per https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/map/deskfile/main-benefits-rates/jobseeker-support-current.html .

         Actual net weekly cost to the government is $389.93 – $175.10 = $214.83 per week x 26 = $5,585.58.

         Multiplied by 10,000 = $55,855,800.

         Admin will add to that, as will holiday pay, public holidays, Kiwisaver employer contributions, sick pay etc – somewhere between 12% and 20% typically. On the other hand, there will be some amount of savings in accommodation supplements through abatement, and increased GST (15% of the net figure of $214.83 is over $8,000,000 when multiplied out over 26 weeks and 10,000 people).

         All in all, $60 million is a reasonable estimate for a headline cost, given the complexity of the analysis involved.
5. Tony Veitch (not the partner-bashing 3rd rate broadcaster 5

   6 November 2016 at 5:27 pm

   I haven’t had a chance to read the whole document yet – can’t read off a screen – need a hard copy.

   But, from what I saw at a glance, of Andrew Little’s introduction, the first line is patently untrue:

   “For our entire 100-year history, Labour has been the party of work and of working people.”

   There was a period in the not too distant past when the Labour Party was decidedly not the party of work and of working people.

   As a starter, would it not be a good move to specifically repudiate the Rogernomic era and get it out of the way? Or are there still too many neoliberals within the party?
   • Chess Player 5.1

     6 November 2016 at 8:33 pm

     Goff’s gone now – he must have been one of the few remaining.
     He’s got himself a whole new trough to swill out of.
     • greywarshark 5.1.1

       7 November 2016 at 1:09 pm

       Tony Veitch not etc
       Yes I am the same needing hard copy.

       And the patently untrue of Labour’s latest man-infestation. Which needs repudiating the Rogernomics toxic cocktail that Labour introduced to NZ, of which the malady lingers on. Anthony R had a pertinent post on that – link below.
       https://thestandard.org.nz/post-truth-post-ethics/

       It is popular lately to observe that we are living in a world of “post-truth” politics. In so many cases (and Donald Trump is the obvious example) the truth of what is said by politicians just doesn’t seem to matter at all. Gut affiliation / existing prejudice is much more important.
       Less remarked on, but obviously an aspect of the same phenomena, is that we are also living “post-ethics”. Ethical behaviour, ethical standards, they don’t matter either.

       That NZ is dangerously far along the road of post-truth post-ethics has been obvious since the limited electoral impact of the revelations Dirty Politics. The popularity of Key / National is eroding slowly, but was not as disinfected as it should have been by the sunlight shone on that particularly sordid swamp. Key is now on record as being “morally flexible” and a believer in “a wide definition of ethics”.
       • aerobubble 5.1.1.1

         8 November 2016 at 2:45 pm

         Thatcher was zombie zero. The groaning that passes as news is clearing that of the zombie horde. And Trump is the new bad guy on walking dead, he can kill anyone, he owns everything, just like Trump who says he could shoot someone, pays no tax, etc.
   • Michael 5.2

     8 November 2016 at 8:28 pm

     Good question, well asked. Unless and until Labour has an honest reckoning with the people over its actions during the Rogernomics years it will continue to lack legitimacy as a progressive political organisation. No sign of that happening any time soon, AFAICS.
6. Michael 6

   8 November 2016 at 8:26 pm

   The FOW report does not propose “the tentative implementation of a universal basic income”, as you say it does. It merely kicks for touch and says we might look at it after other countries adopt if first. Hardly a ringing commitment to Labour’s once proud record of leading the world in socially just policy. There are other, even more egregious, instances of the report falling short of the political rhetoric. The much-trumpeted retraining grants for workers made redundant by technology (and rapacious bosses) are remarkable chiefly for their lack of substantive detail (like: when? where? how often? how much?) plus a near-total omission of how a future Labour government expects to pay the costs of its largesse (borrowing from financial markets at the going interest rate, increasing taxes, or cuts from somewhere else?). Once again, Labour’s pathological desire to be best friends with everyone leaves its flagship policy for 2017 looking like a sick joke. It’s just as well nobody believes a word of it.

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