Asking your members’ opinions? Outrageous!

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1. lprent 1

   21 April 2010 at 11:33 pm

   I got that e-mail. Thought it was interesting and filed it for the weekend to peruse.

   What exactly do those dipshits in the media think that this is? We get asked this at virtually every conference in workshops. We get stuff through the LEC’s asking this.

   All that has happened is that Labour is using more direct methods finally. I’m from the internet generation. At the bleeding edge of it for most of my life. The first time I remember suggesting this as an approach was in the mid-90’s.

   The greens have been doing this type of thing for a while. I suspect that a niece of mine got me added to their mailing lists some time ago. It is about time that the Labour party did it.

   I guess that the journos are either technologically illiterate or just have a slow news week. In either case, they’re just stupid f*ckwits if they’re getting excited about this..
   • Rohit C 1.1

     22 April 2010 at 11:45 am

     Am I ever going to get paid for that horse betting software we wrote for you?

     [lprent: 🙂 Yeah right – like I bet. And I wrote that code in 1981.
     BTW: How is the chop shop going? Keeps cluttering up my facebook. ]
2. Mac1 2

   21 April 2010 at 11:50 pm

   The media find conspiracy where there is none and are blind to those who do conspire.

   Got that e-mail, too. Democracy, consultation? Foreign words nowadays with the NACT government in autocratic, ‘dealing’ mode. The media have not had examples of open democratic politics for a year or more.

   We opened tonight with Roger Hall’s “Four Flat Whites in Italy”. The character Adrian has the line, “That’s bloody National Party voters for you!’ Brought the house down. heh!
3. gingercrush 3

   22 April 2010 at 12:01 am

   I don’t know I saw the survey and thought it was rather pointless. Labour already has a good brand.

   And Eddie in regards to the three strikes. I didn’t see Labour ask a question about it today nor from what I saw was it mentioned in the General Debate.
   • Marty G 3.1

     22 April 2010 at 12:39 am

     “I didn’t see Labour ask a question about it today nor from what I saw was it mentioned in the General Debate.”

     yeah, pretty bloody slack. But look at the Chauvel story etc. Doesn’t need to be picked up by a party to get coverage.
     • bobo 3.1.1

       22 April 2010 at 12:51 am

       Seems to lost the element of surprise with the 3 strikes question, shame it would have been interesting if Labour had asked it as a supplementary to a more benign primary question… like to see some more traps set for National in the house, is all a bit too predictable lately and easy for National with open ended political questions that they can woffle any old answer to. Hopefully they ask it soon.
4. Jenny 4

   22 April 2010 at 3:27 am

   This is fantastic and should be encouraged.

   It is great that the Labour Party leadership are asking their members what they think.

   I didn’t get polled because I am not a member, but this sort of thing encourages me to want to join up.

   Do the members get to see the results?
5. tsmithfield 5

   22 April 2010 at 6:29 am

   I look forward to seeing the new sexy, funky, retro Labour brand. I guess Phil and co will be jiving into parliament from now to “Stayin Alive”.
6. Lazy Susan 6

   22 April 2010 at 6:50 am

   Have just watched Francesca Mold’s TVNZ story on the web. So what was so “secret” about this survey Francesca? It was a survey put out to all members for goodness sake. I got one, like thousands of other Labour party members, by email. It wasn’t marked “secret”, “embargoed” or “off the record” it was just a simple request to complete a survey

   If Mold considers herself a journalist she could have at least asked Labour, Labour members and other political parties their thoughts about why this survey was being conducted and what use it might be. Oh no, that was in the too hard basket for her – not one single searching question in her 2 minute story. She was presumeably too busy trawling through the library to find clips that supported her “wiitty” beat-up. This comes on the back of her hatchet job on Phil Goff’s reference to John Key being a slick operator.

   While these stories will sit nicely on Mold’s showreel when she applies for that job at Fox they have nothing to do with journalism. Shame on TVNZ for allowing such partisan tripe – but I guess we know who’s calling the shots for that institution right now.

   Good on Labour for consulting it’s members.
7. ghostwhowalksnz 7

   22 April 2010 at 7:00 am

   The info was obviously a National party beatup that TVNZ used to fill some sort of local news quota on their unwatched evening news- there being a dearth of court ‘stories’ to pad out the day
8. Mike 8

   22 April 2010 at 7:08 am

   Huh? I don’t understand
   The most opinion-poll dependent government of all time is bitching about Labour doing a survey, and this is news?
9. Pascal's bookie 9

   22 April 2010 at 7:23 am

   This is no where near as funny/humiliating as this was:

   The leaked copy of National’s proposed marketing plan says ”we must make National cool” by associating with younger New Zealand bands.

   Labour managed to get hold of the plan, which had been prepared by National’s recently-resigned general manager Greg Sheehan.

   Labour minister Trevor Mallard was then able to give the public a rare glimpse into National’s thinking about how to position itself.

   The strategy includes funking up its image with hip-hop clothing label Dawn Raid.

   Mallard says using Dawn Raid is “laughable given the dawn raids were carried out by a National government and were a lowpoint in relations between National and Pacific Island communities.”

   But the party has has been getting criticism for suggesting it supports charities such as Canteen, Women’s Refuge and Rape Crisis Centre to boost votes.

   “Charities should be supported because they back worthy causes – not because they will give National MPs political mileage,” says Mallard.

   National is also pushing for its female MPs to do their bit by offering tell-all stories to glossy magazines – but whether Judith Collins and Jackie Blue can knock Angelina Jolie and Nicole Kidman from the front pages remains to be seen.

   http://tvnz.co.nz/content/791971
10. Patrick Baron 10

    22 April 2010 at 7:27 am

    I responded to the survey as soon as I came across it in my Labour email box. It was quite lengthy and demanding survey. Nevertheless it provided a forum for a f’oot and rank’ member such as myself to provide candid feedback on the format and style of imagery that Labour could be employing in its communications in the future (plus it really forced me to clarify my own ideas on the subject).
11. mickysavage 11

    22 April 2010 at 7:39 am

    Seen it and filled it out. The words discussed were amongst a large list designed to let members state where their party should be positioned. What is wrong with this? I went for the environmental/progressive/competent/compassionate end of the spectrum.

    Scandal, scandal. Major party consults members on where it should be positioned.
12. tsmithfield 12

    22 April 2010 at 8:02 am

    To get the right image, the Labour caucus need to watch re-runs of Ali-G. Especially appropriate would be the movie “In da house”.
    • Draco T Bastard 12.1

      22 April 2010 at 1:11 pm

      http://tvnz.co.nz/content/791971

      Just in case you missed it in PB’s comment. It’s National that are planning to be “jiving into parliament from now to “Stayin Alive'” and planning to use more Dawn Raids.
13. tc 13

    22 April 2010 at 8:04 am

    TVNZ displays yet again it’s knows where it’s bread buttered…….good boy Rick, play nice and remember Labour = evil, Nat = good……now off you go or we’ll let Jono choose a new CEO.

    IF Q+A is the top of the tree, in depth offering……….the bar’s not been set high at all has it.
14. Adrian 14

    22 April 2010 at 8:09 am

    If it is’nt secret as Mold claims, is that not an untruth and therefore a possible case to take to the broadcasting complaints committee. If everytime bullshit masquerading as news was officially complained about the MSM may change its attitude.
    • Draco T Bastard 14.1

      22 April 2010 at 1:24 pm

      I’m not sure if complaining to the BSA will achieve anything

      http://www.bsa.govt.nz/complain-start.php

      (Note: broadcasting standards complaints must be dealt with by the broadcaster before they can be referred to the BSA).

      Yeah, I’m pretty sure that the broadcaster will do SFA….

      And here’s me thinking that an independent standards authority was supposed to be looking after our interests – not trying to avoid their responsibility.
      • Lazy Susan 14.1.1

        22 April 2010 at 2:25 pm

        I don’t think that this means the broadcaster has a right to veto any complaint. Just that it goes to them first and if a resolution cannot be found between complainant and broadcaster it is then referred to BSA.
15. Lew 15

    22 April 2010 at 8:30 am

    It’s just a glimpse at how the sausage-factory works. That’s the story — behind the curtain, etc. Not news, and nobody who knows anything at all about it is the slightest bit surprised, but people who believe that politics is an earnest, organic thing are the target here. Still, this is minor stuff. The Nats had to wear (and rightly, in my view) the release of The Hollow Men; a much more thorough study of how the system turns all the nasty bits into something which appears wholesome and tasty.

    L
    • Eddie 15.1

      22 April 2010 at 8:37 am

      there’s nothing remotely controversial about polling your own members. This is nothing like the Hollow Men.
16. Lew 16

    22 April 2010 at 8:39 am

    I completely agree, and I’m not trying to draw any equivalence. The only similarity is that it’s a look at how the political system works behind the scenes. One an utterly mundane glimpse, the other a book-length scandal.

    L
17. Bored 17

    22 April 2010 at 9:02 am

    Funny to the media perhaps…..but to echo Iprent who says he gets this stuff at his LEC its a huge advance. When Dodgy Roger and his crew of corporatist revolutionaries held sway the Electorate Committees I was on were never polled or asked,our opinion was neither wanted or appreciated, only our money and vote. So we voted with our feet. This is a huge advance on where we were then. Well done Labour.
18. Bill 18

    22 April 2010 at 9:52 am

    I don’t think the poll was what the media was focussed on per se. The poll merely provided another springboard for a clutch of twisted, but on their own and treated in isolation, harmless sound bites of the Nats taking the piss.

    The point is that it feeds into and reinforces other negative takes on Labour while simultaneously neutralising some of the negative perceptions of particular National MP’s ( Brownlee in this instance.)

    The bigger problem is that msm will naturally be hostile towards Labour. Labour blew its game plan with the corporates. Now the corporates have ‘their man’ in the seat they will seek to keep him there. That means making sure that Labour remain ‘off- putting’ to enough voters. ( The powerful extra parliamentary corporate interests only had to deal with Labour for as long as it took them to erode Labour’s voting base…which they finally managed this past election)

    There is a reason that employees of msm are not noted for left leaning politics. Those ones were weeded out at journo school or local paper level.

    Labour ( and the rest of the left) needs to employ methods that do not rely on the media to strengthen their support base. Use the media where they can be used, but understand that the msm is essentially on John Boys side and that that’s not by accident and will not change unless and until Labour gets its potential vote up again.

    Catch 22?
19. Olwyn 19

    22 April 2010 at 5:29 pm

    I agree Bill. After the 2008 election, Gordon Campbell said, and I am paraphrasing here, that the cries of delighted approval from the media following on John Key’s election had the ring of job applications about them.
20. Jenny 20

    22 April 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Long may this polling of the Labour Party membership continue.

    But rather than questions of image, maybe the next poll could be on more substantive matters.

    The next poll of Labour Party members could include questions like;
    Do you think that on regaining the treasury benches the Labour Government should reverse the increase in GST and replace the drop in revenue with a Financial Transactions Tax (FTT)?

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