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Went in for our ‘flu jabs today. A lady going to the Phillippines was having a measles jab as there have been 300 people* aprox die of it over there, and millions more are at risk.
But, but, patricia bremner freedom of speech in all its forms is far more important. People are entitled to surf the internet and read all manner of crackpot assertions like measle vaccine causes autism and any number of other conspiratorial pseudo scientific claptrap because that is their right. If children/people die because of their claims then well… that’s just unfortunate. (sarc)
In all seriousness, I’ve had it up to my eyeballs with these dumb bunnies of both sexes who have wielded so much power and caused such irreparable harm. I refer as well to the anti-fluoride gang and the CC deniers.
I think you’ll find that vaccine hesitancy in the Philippines has more to do with the Dengavxia whoopsie rather than Wakefield inspired woo.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6214489/
https://www.philstar.com/other-sections/news-feature/2019/02/09/1892266/commentary-growing-challenge-vaccination-campaign-philippines
But carry on with your wee rant if it relieves the pressure.
Take heart Anne, the day is fast coming when your side will win and any opinion not strictly adhering to the accepted narrative will be banned.
Because everything the government says is true, is, right?
I take it then that you are one of those who have fallen for the conspiratorial pseudo science so beloved of anti vaxxers and CC deniers etc? Perhaps you also don’t comprehend a little bit of tongue in cheek language.
Whatever… I was replying to patricia bremner and fully agreeing with her inferred premise.
Time you made an effort to curb your catty remarks Rosemary McDonald.
No, I’m not an avid anti -vaxxer, although I do very much understand where concern about MMR comes from after the the Urabe scandal/cover up of the late eighties/early nineties. You will of course remember that..there was scientific parers written about it and everything…much of the story was revealed only after OIA type requests.
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/165/6/704/63700
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1544592/Vaccine-officials-knew-about-MMR-risks.html
And you see that’s just it…the government deliberately ignored warnings from overseas jurisdictions about the Urabe strain of mumps virus and put children’s lives at risk. Complete honesty and transparency from Our Leaders would go a long way towards inspiring trust.
“Unfortunately, the crisis that we are dealing with now is based on results from clinical trials backed up by autopsies linking some deaths to Dengvaxia [6]. These findings may serve as proof against vaccine safety and might have a negative impact on other vaccination programs. With the news being widely circulated through media, this would not just affect Philippines but also other parts of the world.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6214489/
Some of us Anne choose to do our own research rather than blindly accept establishment approved ‘Science’. Keeping one’s mind open just a crack…let the light in?
“In all seriousness, I’ve had it up to my eyeballs with these dumb bunnies of both sexes who have wielded so much power and caused such irreparable harm. I refer as well to the anti-fluoride gang and the CC deniers.”
Meow.
I’ve had it up to my eyeballs with these dumb bunnies of both sexes who have wielded so much power and caused such irreparable harm.
And you respond with a Meow? Strange bit of cognition there.
And btw, I will always support the officially recognised scientific experts over any pseudo scientists who roam the internet spreading misinformation. Not surprising given my former career was in one of the sciences.
“…any pseudo scientists who roam the internet spreading misinformation.”
So, the problem with Dengvaxia is pseudo science?
So the wording of the article describing the effect the deaths from Dengvaxia have had on vaccine uptake does not concern you?
““Unfortunately, the crisis that we are dealing with now is based on results from clinical trials backed up by autopsies linking some deaths to Dengvaxia [6]. These findings may serve as proof against vaccine safety and might have a negative impact on other vaccination programs. With the news being widely circulated through media, this would not just affect Philippines but also other parts of the world.””
Seems to be implying that the greatest misfortune is not the proven deaths from Dengvaxia, but the fact that they were widely publicised.
And it is just that attitude that increases mistrust.
So, the ‘dumb bunnies’ in the Dengvaxia fiasco are? The media for reporting the deaths caused by the vaccine? The scientists for linking the deaths with the vaccine? The media accurately reporting that the scientists had found a link between the deaths and the vaccine? Members of the public who become less trusting of the drug company products because the media accurately reported that the drug company’s product caused people harm?
See, it’s a little more complicated than just ‘pro’ or ‘anti’. It is highly disrespectful to condemn people as being ‘dumb’ because they don’t happen to agree with one’s own views.
Bear in mind that despite what you perceive as an anti-vax propaganda epidemic on the internet….the vast majority of people are following state proscribed vaccination programmes….in most case more than enough folk are vaccinating to achieve the desired herd immunity.
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/immunisation/immunisation-coverage/national-and-dhb-immunisation-data
There are small pockets of those who refuse vaccines…these will be your anti-vaxxers…. but they are not the major cause of low uptake in in particular communities, according to someone who should know…
“Auckland University Immunisation Advisory Centre head Nikki Turner said said there was no need for a separate public health campaign against anti-vaxxers.
“I don’t think we should ignore the anti-vaccination lobby but I think we should put it into context.
“It is a very small percentage of the New Zealand population.
“We need to understand it and respond to it, and definitely put more resources and thinking into it, but it is a very small part of why we are not getting high immunisation coverage rates.”
Dr Turner said there were other problems with delivering immunisations, beyond what she called vaccine hesitancy, and New Zealand would be better off dealing with those.
“We need to systematically know which children are missing out and offer them services.
“And then respond appropriately in those localised communities that have got myth and rumour and social media stories rife within them.
“That’s where we need extra support.”
The Health Ministry said immunisation rates, which had been rising, reached a plateau and then began to fall in early 2017.
It meant immunisation coverage went from 93 percent on average at eight months, and 91 percent for Māori children, to 91 percent and 86 percent respectively.”
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/384112/hospital-bosses-want-anti-anti-vax-campaign
It is far too easy to blame a slight fall in immunisation coverage on those you refer to as ‘dumb bunny anti vaxxers’ Anne. As always, as a scientist should know, there are often multiple factors.
And btw, I will always support the officially recognised scientific experts over any pseudo scientists who roam the internet spreading misinformation
Anne, as I have previously stated…you are woefully underinformed and misinformed on this subject, that you are incapable of developing a rational opinion…it is not possible to achieve with such an inadequate data set…
There is a plethora of reports, studies and other ‘evidence’, including from the very same ‘officially recognized experts/establishments’ which illustrate the severe problems with the ‘industry/reglators’…that you’re obviously not aware of…
That only severe congnitive dissonance coud lead you to making such logically flawed statements…
Not a single one in the current CDC schedule of FDA licensed vaccines was tested against an inert placebo control group in pre-licensure testing…
Once a licence is approved it becomes legally unethical for a control group to ever be used…
Can you understand the gravitas of what that means…
Clear off and stop harassing us. Next thing you’ll be tell us you’re Jesus.
You have it twisted, Anne…
Those who post comments and dissmissive insults, such as you have repeatedly done…from a position of total ignorance…
…Are discriminating against every biological being that has been injured, damaged and killed by the ‘one size fits all’ industry which you explicitly and repeatedly endorse…
When confronted with counter information and commentary…you continue the same insulting, dismissive and discriminatory tactics…
Your comments are extremely discriminatory, they are deeply mysogenistic, they are flawed and without factual basis…
You, Anne…are doing the harassing…
I hope the lady traveling to the Philippines has checked her TB immune status.
28,000 deaths from TB in the Philippines…http://www.wpro.who.int/philippines/areas/communicable_diseases/tb/story_continuation_tb_area_page/en/
Perhaps this years flu shot may even be 10% effective…that’s an exaggerated figure…it’s one of the least tested least effective vaccines of all…
There is no measles vaccine in NZ…only the MMR vaccine which also contains a live virus…getting on a plane should be avoided…
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2015/03/03/globe-newswire-public-health-officials-know-recently-vaccinated-individuals-spread-disease.html
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/philippines-says-to-charge-officials-of-sanofi-government-over-dengue-deaths/ar-BBUez2W
sigh…
MMR vaccine is a measles + mumps vaccine + rubella vaccine it contains live attenuated virus which while providing an immune response does not cause the disease in healthy individuals.
Severely immunocompromised persons (undergoing treatment for cancer for example or with immune disorders) are at small risk of catching the attenuated virus from people immunised for a few days until the attenuated virus is cleared from the person immunised. This risk and severity of illness is far lower than if the immunocompromised individual was to come into contact with a person suffering from measles, mumps, chickenpox etc.
The flu vaccine is very effective against those strains which it is manufactured from – you can’t catch the flu from from the flu vaccine.
You either have not read…or failed to understand the issues around vaccine actual shedding and vaccine failure…including in highly vaccinated populations…proven to be responsible for communicating the disease…
The flu vaccine comment is equally uninformed…
10% ‘effective’…is highly innefective…useless…untested…year in year out…
I’ll leave you to it…
Where did you get the 10% from? Ex anos uno-dos?
You admit to getting the flu shot…presumably you’ve done some reading into it before you went the first time…
If not…your choice…as you said…if it fails…no harm no foul…not that you could know…because it’s untested…
We had this same convo a few days ago…if you recall…
Are you in an ‘at risk group’?
Dear Phil please go and gob off one of your vegan dogs
At first I was all “zouch that’s a zinger!”, but now I am genuinely curious as to whether vegans spit or swallow after fellating someone to completion.
Good questions.
That’ll be a good question for when
Paul Ed Jinxfinds a way back onsite.Unsurprisingly you find that a ‘good question’ Andre…
Didn’t take you long to turn up here…so very predictable…
Almost a full turn out of the angry little man group…
It’s not the size of the man that counts, it’s when he decides to stand up.
Almost a full turn out of the angry little man group…
Who’s missing?
Well, milt…you’re here…
I don’t include you in there though…
Not presently…Andre was scouting for recruits in the black hole thread…
You keen?
Well I went to your first link and read it and then went to the source of that doc – “Source:Weston A. Price Foundation” crew – read a wee bit on them and then found the counter position on them and this is what it said,
“Since I started writing for Science-Based Medicine almost 8 years ago, I have visited many, many websites offering questionable information about health. In my opinion, the Weston A. Price Foundation is one of the worst. It is full of misinformation and dangerous advice. It might be useful in reverse: if you read it on WAPF, it is probably wrong.”
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling-legacy/
I didn’t bother reading the other one one two – bit disappointed though with the quality of that link I have to say.
Marty I posted that link because it’s a mainstream news site referring to John Hopkins School of Medicine advice…
And if you don’t know or care about the denghi vaccine failures in Philippines…so be it…
But you’ve posted to David Gorski’s site…and then criticise the link I posted…ironic really…
Especially as you like to express how you stand up for human beings…
Spend some time reading Orac Gorskis site…get a feel for the…vibe…
Read…don’t read…your choice…
Post the vaccine certs…mouthy…
So you got it wrong again? I thought that was the case. Ta.
What did I get wrong…again…according to you marty?
Go ahead…ignore my comments…again…twist them…again…
But at least explain with some details about why I’m wrong IYO…and why you’ve failed to say why you posted to Gorski…it was the first returned search eh…closely followed by the Offit site..
No surprise marty…I’ve got your number every time…you’re so full of it…
Are you going to abuse me…and then apologise again…?
Maybe just the abuse this time…
Post your kids vaccine certs…
Didn’t you state that you absolved yourself of any responsibility regarding anything i do with vaccinations and my children?
If yes – it’s none of your fucken business.
If no – you’re a fucken liar.
simple enough for you bigfartbrain?
smarten up junior.
What I wrote was in response to your comment which essentially said you had previously not vaccinated your kids…but because of comments I had posted…you’d changed your mind and stated getting the shots the following week…this exchange was approx 3 weeks ago no more than 4wks…easily searchable…
What I then wrote was you were attemping to outsource your parental decision making onto my comments and that it was nothing to do with me…completely your choice to make…
I did ask you to post the certs as evidence you are true to your words…given you had made it my business … you did that…
You’ve failed to post the certs or admit you were and are utterly full of hot air…
Additionally since that time you’ve been abusive at my comments issuing at least two apologies as a result…
But still no courage to own up to what you did…or admit that you did not follow up and vaccinate your kids…
Yeah…but I’m the ‘liar’…
Liar and liar again – you’re a fucken piece of shit and a fucken coward. Oh and you’re a liar did I mention that.
A liar outed as a liar and a sad sack of nothing lol one two you are too fucken easy you useless arsehole haha
Where and how is my version of events…incorrect?
That’s what I said
That’s what you said.
so it’s none of your fucken business anymore is it numbnuts – it’s nothing to do with you as YOU YOURSELF state so fuck off. Do I need to get the crayons out?
14 March 2019 at 10:29 pm
Marty, your comment indicates that you’ve outsourced your parental responsibility, by using blog site commentary as a ‘rationale’ for changing your current perspective on a medical procedure…
Listen very carfully to my next comment…
Take responsibility for your own choices, and that of your children…
Don’t ever…ever seek to offload your medical choices to my handle, or anyone else…blog site, face to face…it doesn’t matter the interaction…
Own the choices..they are yours…and yours alone…
If you are actually serious…for the record I take no position, and bare no accountability for, or against your decision…nor could I be accountable for any possible outcome, positive, negative or otherwise resulting from your decisions…choices you make, marty…
I hope I’ve made that suitably clear…
It would be appropriate for you to respond saying you have received that messaging…
Should you choose to go ahead with the procedure…then post the dated scripts…and backup your comments with proof of YOUR actions resulting from YOUR choices..
He’s bats mm. I’ve told him as much.
Best to leave him now with his fantasies.
thanks Anne yep you’re right – it’s my birthday so I’ve certainly got better things to do lol.
Birthday wishes marty mars. The sun has come out after our storm. Peace and sunshine and laughter to you.
How very phillurian…
…
jlr has nothing to lose and simon has everything to lose……
“Jami-Lee Ross has made further allegations against Simon Bridges by implying he was involved in the Chinese community’s attempts to have a Chinese minister appointed.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/jami-lee-ross-brings-more-allegations-against-national-s-simon-bridges.html
Of course Cotterell is in the mix.
https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/1115721859939459075
That’s a direct allusion to neonazi cult novel The Turner Diaries, and a commonly heard threat from contemporary white nationalists and neonazis.
In the Turner Diaries, the day of the rope is when “race traitors” are executed en masse, including journalists. It’s a threat often made now to journalists — people have made it to me, and many other reporters who work in this area
The threat was made after the anonymous recipient criticized Blair Cottrell’s United Patriot Front. A home grown mass murderer/terrorist defending an Australian neonazi. This is an Australian problem
According to the story Victoria police told the recipient to block the man who would later massacre 50 innocent people
You can follow @cog_ink who wrote this story
This is the transnational problem that Congress allowed Candace Owens to mislead them about today
It’s days like these that I honestly feel like I feel like I am in some kind of dissociative state. When you see clear evidence of the problem juxtaposed with the totally unserious response to it
Ugh it’s affecting my sentence structure now, you know what I am saying
https://tttthreads.com/thread/1115721859939459075.html
Israel Folau has been given the arse.
Yes. https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/386868/israel-folau-to-be-sacked-by-rugby-australia
Heh! God moves in a mysterious way His wonders to perform 😉
Assange given the arse and arrested in London
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47891737
Worst houseguest ever.
Great. Only another three years of legal wrangling to go lol
Starfish?
Many readers of this site who share Mike Hoskings view of Assange will be delighted to hear that Ecuador has evicted Assange and he has been arrested by the UK police.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12220162
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/world/europe/julian-assange-wikileaks-ecuador-embassy.html
Knock yourselves out on the schadenfreude
So shameful.
As a kid ‘the bad guys’ were the East who held people hostage in embassies, built walls, ran massive state propaganda through media & mass spy programs on their citizens.
Now who is doing that?
The pre-written article is likely being dusted off for upload…
Whose the author, you reckon?
Luke Harding
He’s got to earn his Integrity Initiative money somehow after the embarrassment of “Collusion”
sign the DIEM petition and donate if you can
TRP may have set a site upload record…
TFW Assange is given a slap on the wrist for failing to surrender to the court and it dawns on him that he’s wasted seven years of his life.
Almost word for word Hoskings .
Not surprised
And TBF, you’re the one with a boner for the war criminal Assad and his murderous gangster mate.
I don’t get boners mate
You wannabe tough guys are so full of your toxic penis talk
Toxic penis talk – Great name for a boy band
You’ve been fulsome in your support of a regime that routinely tortures, humiliates and sexually abuses women, break the women, and you break the family, as a strategy but my language offends your sensibilities.
Fuck you.
And you’ve managed to perform most of those abuses through your comments…to a woman…
Doubling down …not a good policy at the best of times…
You’re scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel here…
Seriously Joe..you need to stop this…you went past offensive some time back…
Best you go fuck yourself, too.
Joe 90
Let it out, you are saying it for lots of us. Thanks that will be the end they will cherish though. Poor things get their kicks from acting the wise schoolmaster with a cane.
keep digging Joe
Using the the word ‘boner’, with intent…towards a handle with a womans name…highly probable to be a female…
Time out time.
‘boner’, with intent – Great name for generic viagra
”towards a handle’ reminded me of this
Thanks mm I needed that.
You can see why there is so much popularity for the supermarket style hardware store. The simple-minded can
wander round dragging their knuckles in their own time.
Just for those who like the stories of people who are difficult and hard to read their minds – here is Marty Feldmann from the old days with a great sketch.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPouuA0KMO4
Classic!
Ronnie Corbett nearly loses it at the “sore tips” point. Tips for saws lols.
It’s a classic alright.
+100000000000000000000
There is a vast swathe of the left that I’m quite sure would thrive under a “regime” or totalitarian dictatorship.
Can Assange use your reckons in his extradition defense? “LOL”
The majority response here to this news is unsettling. No surprise James is piling in.
[What a ‘girl‘!]
^^ What is ‘unsettling’ is your little add-on.
I may be wrong but I think that’s “sarc”
In fact Assange was yelling out statements, not screaming, but the tough guys round here like to demean Assange, and the worst thing they can think of apparently is likening him to a “girl”
“and the worst thing they can think of apparently is likening him to a “girl””
Yes. That was my point. I thought most intelligent men were over using sexist insults.
I thought Drowsy was on the “Assange can do no wrong” side. Thay’re the one who added the “like a girl” line.
I thought McFlock was on the “Assange can do no right” side. Thay’re the one who use “the rapey one” and “Saint Julian” mockery.
To be fair, McFlock probably didn’t employ those terms on this site (just as I haven’t stated “Assange can do no wrong”), but we’re all entitled to our reckons.
I did think that one-line description of Assange’s arrest was belittling, but apologise for using “Like a girl”, with its obvious negative connotations; maybe “Like an infant” would have served, or maybe nothing at all, but it was a belittling description. We’ll have wait and see what sort of treatment he receives from the MSM and at the hands of UK justice.
Been so long. Don’t recall calling him the rapey one. But then, it’s a fair description.
In general, wikileaks was a bloody good thing. But that doesn’t mean he should not face his sexual assault accusations.
You do the crime you do the time.
If found guilty he deserves everything he gets.
Well. Jacinda Ardern’s name has become a rallying cry for women the globe over. We really are now on the cusp of something special.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12221561
The right, so pro-life they’ll kill for it.
AUSTIN, Texas – State legislators stayed up well into the morning hearing emotional testimony about a proposed abortion ban.
House Bill 896 would criminalize abortion and classify it as a homicide. Women who have abortions could be sentenced to the death penalty.
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/texas-lawmakers-consider-the-death-penalty-for-abortion
That is the most insane shit I’ve ever heard. Seriously.
I frikken cried for days when I heard that Russia had decriminalised domestic abuse and made it ok to choke your wife, give her black eyes, cuts, bruises etc in the name of “restoring family values”.
Nobody gives a fuck about the fact that every year 3 million girls have their genitals mutilated with a dirty razor or that for women in Kyrgyzstan the first time they meet their husband is when he kidnaps her.
And repeatedly I’m told we women should be grateful for having it so much better than women did 50 years ago.
Fuck that. I won’t be happy until all women get the same freedoms and responsibilities as men, period.
“The bill would ban abortion at any stage of pregnancy and would criminalize women who have abortions and the physicians who perform them, even in cases of rape, human trafficking or incest. The bill directly conflicts with the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, which outlawed criminalizing abortion.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-lawmakers-consider-death-penalty-women-who-get-abortions-n993171
So, in the US, if you get raped, not only will you be ripped to pieces in the legal system but you could be denied an abortion and then, just to finish as they started, they’ll offer the rapist a chance to exercise his parental rights.
https://theestablishment.co/the-unique-hell-of-fighting-your-rapist-for-custody-8fbb1cff52b3/
it has been a long time coming.
fact is you will get charged with 2 homicide if you kill a pregnant women and even if you do so accidentally in a car accident.
there are so many heartbeat / live begins at ejaculation into a vagina amendments that really we could come to the conclusion that Us American women are nothing more then pre-pregnant sentient incubators.
this bill is not the first time it was sent for votes, and it will not be the last time.
If abortion is murder, then the women seeking the abortion is a killer. And homicide in many states of the US is met with the death penalty.
I mean clearly its a very pro-life action.
Well property is sacred joey, wouldn’t surprise me if rustlin was still a lynchin offense in Taxes.