Early heavy voting in Northland continues

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1. Atiawa 1

   25 March 2015 at 1:56 pm

   Unfortunately early voting hasn’t contributed to greater voter turnout. Known voters are simply exercising their democratic rights at their convenience.
   Good points however, and if voting isn’t going to be compulsory we should be ensuring that every eligible voter has the best possible opportunity to cast their vote. So how about mobile voting booths whereby they rock up to a heavily populated industrial site, for example, for a couple or so hours and workers can use the opportunity to vote.
   A controversial referendum would also be useful at the same time, say, “that the possession for personal use of 5 grams of marijuana is not a criminal offense”.
   That might stir a few 100 thousand of the non voters into action.
2. Pasupial 2

   25 March 2015 at 2:10 pm

   An important factor behind the elevated vote in the Northland byelection is that there will be no out of electorate polling booths (as there are in a general election). So anyone who will be out of Northland on Saturday has to advance vote.

   Advance voting was certainly a focus in the last election (for the GP and IMPs anyway). It is only likely to become more so, as the stats are factored into electioneering strategies. The fact that an advance vote is one locked in for the election regardless of any last week; deals, news, or propaganda, is most important. The only downside of an advance vote is if the voter changes their mind, or forgets, and casts a ballot on the day thus voiding both.

   Also; the lack of scrutineers during advance voting is a cause for concern (they can be there, but in practice aren’t – as it’s all hands on deck at this point of the election). If you’re in Northland and want to contribute to the election, but can’t endure the stress of doorknocking or street pampleting, then consider volunteering as a scrutineer. It’s not glamorous, but it is an essential check on the electoral process.
   • lprent 2.1

     25 March 2015 at 3:00 pm

     So anyone who will be out of Northland on Saturday has to advance vote.

     That is a *lot* of people (say 50% of the electorate) anticipating using those roads 🙂
     • Pasupial 2.1.1

       25 March 2015 at 11:49 pm

       I said that it was; “An important factor”, not; the sole determining factor. If we look at the 2014 general election stats for Northland Party Vote:

       http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/e9/html/e9_part8_party_35.html

       Then we see that for the; 9793 Ordinary Votes BEFORE polling day, there were; 986 Special Votes BEFORE polling day, 1713 Special Votes ON polling day, & 410 Overseas Special Votes. Why this doesn’t match the 9478 advance votes, I couldn’t tell you (the difference between the; combined Before, and the; Advance votes, is 1301 – which is certainly nontrivial).

       http://www.elections.org.nz/events/2015-northland-election-0/northland-advance-voting-statistics

       In any case; Special, plus Overseas, votes equal 32% of the; Ordinary Votes BEFORE polling day. Not all of these Specials will be due to out of electorate voting of course.

       I fully agree that the turnout for this byelection is unlikely to reach that of the 2014 GE, which just makes the increase in Advance Voting even more noteworthy.
3. Ad 3

   25 March 2015 at 2:11 pm

   If it is a close or negative vote for National, the inevitable retrospective questions will come on Minister Bridges for failing to have evidence for his bridge investment decisions – he will bear a fair hit for his part in it all.

   Blowback is coming.
4. Skinny 4

   25 March 2015 at 2:12 pm

   I think I will do my bit by making up a sign;

   Do you know why Mike Sabin resigned? Why weren’t you told before you vote. You would be horrified to know why.

   And standing outside one of the Tory strong hold booths.

   Any other suggestions for signs for others?
   • mary_a 4.1

     25 March 2015 at 3:56 pm

     Hi Skinny

     John Key is going up to Northland later this week, for one last push, for all the good it will do. So you (and friends etc) could always hold up signs displaying the one finger salute in front of him, wherever he’s making an appearance. It might jog his memory of his common gesture to Kiwis!
     • Skinny 4.1.1

       25 March 2015 at 4:16 pm

       Yes we will be excising our democratic right to voice our disgust via a loud hailer and placards about him and his party not being transparent about the resignation of their former MP. We will be the ones doing the last push, let’s call it a little food for thought, pork barrel style giving the voters our menu of treats. Just how Key and Joyce like to play. Remember over 60% of their own supporters thought National should have told them what was up.
   • Rosie 4.2

     25 March 2015 at 4:05 pm

     Skinny, are you planning on doing this on Saturday? If so, would there be anything about your signage that would potentially breach the electoral rules around either promoting or discouraging voting for a particular candidate?

     Just wondering.

     Secondly, you say they (the voters) would be horrified to know why. (Sabin resigned) Do you know why?

     Are you able to tell us? Or would that be unwise in case such information comes back to bite TS on the bum in a very grumpy legal way?

     All serious questions.

     [lprent: Yes, if what I have been told is correct, then it would almost certainly come back and bite us on the arse. It can’t be mentioned here.

     One of the hassles with suppression orders is that they often suppress the information that is required to conform to the suppression. As far as I can tell there is no mechanism to inform someone like me or the moderators about what is actually suppressed. Damn nuisance for operating a internet site. ]
     • Skinny 4.2.1

       25 March 2015 at 4:24 pm

       Yes I have lawyer friends, and no I would not comment on here or anywhere else on the net. A justice lawyer friend has briefed us on how you can talk publicly about it without much action being taken against us. However out of respect to others ‘apart from Sabin’ we shall focus on timelines that is disputed by Key, Osborne and other Nat’s.
       • Rosie 4.2.1.1

         25 March 2015 at 5:20 pm

         Ok. Good luck with your campaigning Skinny, and respect to you for being respectful of others. You still have enough to go on, with the timelines. That will make even the daftest Tory stop and think about the devious behaviour of their own.

         Maybe you can send back reports of the mood on polling day, if you have the time 🙂
       • gsays 4.2.1.2

         25 March 2015 at 5:44 pm

         hi skinny, kia kaha bro to you and your off-siders.
         i suppose what you are needing to talk about and draw attention is the resignation and its timeline.

         if you pretend that sabin has done something heroic then you will not draw any attention to it.

         get stuck into them, show no mercy.
     • rawshark-yeshe 4.2.2

       25 March 2015 at 4:31 pm

       even Slater wrote it was ‘too horrible for words”, according to this link:

       http://www.donotlink.com/framed?661247
       • Rosie 4.2.2.1

         25 March 2015 at 6:51 pm

         Hmmm. In the end when it eventually goes public and after the intrigue has died down it just leaves the victims of his assault, whatever the nature of the assaults were, to try and get on with their lives, as they probably are trying to do right now, and have been since the time they happened.

         In the meantime, one can only hope that The Slug is wrong.
     • Rosie 4.2.3

       25 March 2015 at 5:09 pm

       Thanks Lynn. That sounds like a very murky situation around suppression orders. Clarity would be a good thing.
   • Murray Rawshark 4.3

     26 March 2015 at 1:05 am

     Keep our children safe.
5. McFlock 5

   25 March 2015 at 2:38 pm

   It is an interesting question as to how it changes campaigning. “Bring out the vote” becomes “get them to vote before they can change their mind”.

   But then the special votes aren’t all at once, they increase in volume as the election approaches, so there’s still opportunity for the final-week king hit (or fizzle), and a majority still vote on the day.

   I suspect many optional special-voters (i.e. the ones not on rigs or overseas, the ones who just choose to vote while they pass the booth) are generally committed in a particular direction anyway, although I have no real basis for that suspicion.
   • lprent 5.1

     25 March 2015 at 3:02 pm

     It is an interesting question as to how it changes campaigning. “Bring out the vote” becomes “get them to vote before they can change their mind”.

     One would imagine that is exactly what the National strategy would be in this by-election.

     …so there’s still opportunity for the final-week king hit (or fizzle), and a majority still vote on the day.

     Indeed. That was what I was waiting for the first part of this week to see. But so far it shows no signs of happening. Monday was very slightly lower than the kick in 2014. Tuesday was higher.

     I suspect we will have similar values to the general election for the same reasons. Friday will be the interesting figure to look at – on saturday.
6. wyndham 6

   25 March 2015 at 3:40 pm

   How did the Nats. come to choose a numptie novice such as Osbourne ? It seems very odd to me when the man appears, even cursorily, to be a total political liability.
   Steven Joyce seems prominent in the matter – – – does he have an agenda?
   • McFlock 6.1

     25 March 2015 at 3:54 pm

     Tory hubris in a safe seat.

     I suspect all the wellington nats thought it would be a shoe-in until they got polling back just after Winston announced his candidacy. Hence the parade of ministers and lesser mps, the bribes, the threats, the cajolling, the intensive efforts of joyce to make the toryboy vaguely presentable, key attempting manual labour for the first time in his life…

     God it’s fun to watch them shit themselves 🙂
   • mary_a 6.2

     25 March 2015 at 4:00 pm

     @ Wyndham (6) – as far as I know, Osborne was Mike Sabin’s electorate office treasurer. Perhaps he knows a thing or two, so selecting him as the Natsy candidate, could be a way of keeping him onside, so he doesn’t tell any “naughty stories”!
     • wyndham 6.2.1

       25 March 2015 at 4:33 pm

       Yes Mary, I wonder if there is not some deeper reason for the selection. Despite Osbourne denying any particular knowledge of the Sabin business, one does wonder. As I mentioned earlier the prominence of Joyce rings alarm bells with me; he’s not thick and he’s the Nats campaign manager (along with C Textor). My conspiracy theories are showing !
     • Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 6.2.2

       25 March 2015 at 5:19 pm

       “Perhaps” ?!?!

       LOL
7. veutoviper 7

   25 March 2015 at 5:09 pm

   Apparently there is a new TV3 Reid poll about to be released – by Patrick Gower on TV3 News at 6pm.

   Gower is also apparently going to be on Radio Live Drive with Duncan Garner at 5.20pm with a development in the Northland by-election.

   According to the few hints on Gower’s Twitter feed, one side is going to get a shock ….

   https://twitter.com/patrickgowernz
   • gsays 7.1

     25 March 2015 at 5:47 pm

     thanx vv but i would rather chew tinfoil than listen to radio live.
8. swordfish 8

   25 March 2015 at 5:12 pm

   The trend to early voting is a total bugger for those of us interested in the geography of the vote. If advance votes are coming disproportionately from some suburbs/towns/communities and not others (and from some socio-economic groups and not others) then it makes a mockery of the whole thing. Maybe we’ll look back and see 2011 as the last Election when we could say anything meaningful about the political complexion of different communities and relate them to their social characteristics via census data.
   • ghostwhowalksnz 8.1

     25 March 2015 at 8:28 pm

     yes , the old method of booth by booth comparisons may need to be adjusted as there tends to be only one early voting booth in eah urban electorate.

     The upside is the booth by booth stats were used , especially by National and Farrar to skew possible boundary changes.

     The North island has very odd boundarys , partly because of the larger size for most after each election.
   • lprent 8.2

     25 March 2015 at 8:38 pm

     It has been marginal for some time. Urban electorates have major polling booths on main roads where the catchment extends over much of the electorate. Mt Albert was extreme when I was looking at who voted in what polling place from the analysis of data from scruitineering.

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