Labour sticks to the high road

Written By: - Date published: 8:44 am, December 3rd, 2016 - 128 comments
Categories: Andrew Little, labour, leadership, Media - Tags: , , , ,

Notice a lot of opinion pieces (etc) putting the boot in to Labour lately?

Duncan Garner’s effort yesterday was a confused mess. Apparently it is a bad thing that the caucus is unified and there is no leadership challenge. Anyway, the piece has been discussed here already, so enough of that. (Thought for a post: After a year on TV3 Garner’s Story has lost the ‘everyman’. Nah.)

Today brings us Tracy Watkins, an effort which is if anything even worse:

So much for the wave of almost giddy optimism that has swept the Left in the wake of Brexit, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.

I must have missed that wave. Too busy weeping into my beer.

But two polls this week tell a different story.

Really? You think that’s how it works? Wow.

At a fractious front bench meeting on Monday, Little shouldered responsibility as leader for Labour’s polling slump.

There was lots of finger pointing. But there was also a sense of urgency about breaking the cycle. There was talk about taking risks. Even “breaking the rules” as one insider put it.

Good – a sense of urgency is required!

The nature of those rules was not spelt out. But we can guess. Dirty politics, personal attacks, fabricating news and other “facts” – those were the story of the US election campaign. And it worked.

But the suggestion is that Labour MPs balked at going down that road.

If that was even considered (“we can guess”?) – then of course it was ruled out. While Nat supporters seem to be comfortable voting for dirty politics, Labour supporters would not be, it would destroy the party. And if that’s what it takes to win right now then I for one would rather lose, and wait. Because although it may work in the short term, the backlash against the conditions created by the sorts of people who use such tactics is going to be rather ugly. (Let’s talk about how successful Trump is in 4 years time.)

Other risks will be taken, however.

Good.

Finding issues that connect with voters is Labour’s bigger problem. It has run hard on issues that should be resonating – housing, inequality, transport infrastructure, wages, and the future of work. They are not sticking.

Quite. And therein lies an interesting puzzle. I wonder if the dumbing down of the media and the constant barrage of negativity has anything to do with it? “Mike’s minute” rules, Campbell live is axed. Just a thought.

Anyway, while it is certainly time to try and break the political mould, good on Labour for sticking to the high road while doing so.


I’ll leave you with a couple of interesting tweets to ponder…

128 comments on “Labour sticks to the high road”

  1. Ffloyd 1

    Now Soper gently stirring the pot in Herald. Lovely photo of super smiley Key. Doesn’t he have little hands? Just like Donald Trump.

  2. Jenny Kirk 2

    Yes – I’ve noticed the increase in the trolling stories from the Nat-sycophantic opinion writers – and that’s all they are, just their own personal opinion. No real facts to back themselves up with.

    And the other thing I’ve noticed is the increase in rightwing trolls coming onto The Standard.

    All of this shows that behind-the-scenes, the Nats are really worried about what Labour is doing.

    • Anne 2.1

      Exactly my thoughts too. It became noticeable during the byelection campaign and reached a peak this week. There was the arrival of the nasties (you can pick em by their pseudo names before even reading them) here on TS this past week. It’s no coincidence. Somewhere in the undergrowth the dirty political team are lurking and churning out the smears and dirty tricks.

      We can expect lots more of it next year and the sycophantic journo opinion creators will be like wild pack dogs … following behind the lead dog yapping and snarling mindlessly to the tune of the John Key and Steven Joyce beat.

      • Jenny Kirk 2.1.1

        +100% Anne

      • Draco T Bastard 2.1.2

        +1

        Probably won’t be run out of John Key’s Beehive office this year though as he got too close to being caught last time.

      • mosa 2.1.3

        Sadly Jenny and Anne all the signs are there.

        This nasty political arm of the National party and the money will be hard to fight and the most dangerous weapon is the media which is still on side after eight years.

        This is almost a one party state.

        How do you fight that ?

        People on this site say its Little and his lack of charisma but Bolger was as exciting as a porta loo on a hot day and won three elections.

    • Ben 2.2

      Do you seriously believe that National is influencing opinion writers, and has somehow mobilised a bunch of “rightwing trolls” to show up on TS?

      What is it exactly that Labour is doing? Every policy announcement is a flop, ill-conceived or quickly undermined by one of their own. The only thing National will be worried about is Little being replaced as leader.

      • Draco T Bastard 2.2.1

        Every policy announcement is a flop, ill-conceived or quickly undermined by one of their own.

        Actually, they’re not. They’re well defined and costed. This is far more than can be said of anything that comes out of National.

        The problem is that the MSM always attacks Labour and Left policy while giving National’s a green light no matter how bad it is.

        • Ben 2.2.1.1

          “Actually, they’re not. They’re well defined and costed.”

          Or this:

          Future of Work: A flop. Ask the bloke on the street what it means for the future of work, and odds are they will not have a clue what you talking about.

          Local workers: Impose a tax on employers who rely on workers from overseas instead of training local workers. Seen as dog-whistle politics (like the Chinese sounding names shambles). Not at all well-recieved by NZ business who stated Labour was out of touch with the market.

          Light rail in Auckland: Just in time for the Mt Roskill by-election and therefore seen for what it was.

          Youth Unemployment policy: Costed on 4 months not 6. A debacle that had people talking about the costing rather than the merits of the policy.

          TPP: yes, no, maybe – could you repeat the question?

          etc etc

          • Matthew Whitehead 2.2.1.1.1

            You and DTB are talking about different things.

            Labour largely have very sensible policies, even if they don’t move the political equilibrium very much. They’re practical and well-costed.

            But yes, those policies aren’t yet translating into resonance with the electorate. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re bad policies, it’s likely that a lot of them just haven’t been effectively marketed.

          • Draco T Bastard 2.2.1.1.2

            Local workers: Impose a tax on employers who rely on workers from overseas instead of training local workers. Seen as dog-whistle politics

            No, it wasn’t seen as ‘dog whistle’ politics. It was seen, as it should be, as putting the cost of training onto those who try to avoid it and thus bludging off of every employer who do training.

            Not at all well-recieved by NZ business who stated Labour was out of touch with the market.

            Well, I suspect that it wasn’t well received by those businesses who are doing the bludging.

            Light rail in Auckland: Just in time for the Mt Roskill by-election and therefore seen for what it was.

            Really? Have you noticed that Labour have been pushing rail in Auckland for at least a decade now?

            Youth Unemployment policy: Costed on 4 months not 6. A debacle that had people talking about the costing rather than the merits of the policy.

            No, it wasn’t a debacle. It was costed upon a reasonable assumption – one that the MSM reporter who had been told about it then refused to report.

            here’s the thing: All costings contain assumptions because you can’t know exactly how it’s going to come down.

            TPP: yes, no, maybe – could you repeat the question?

            That’s a valid complaint and they’re still fart-arsing around with it.

          • Leftie 2.2.1.1.3

            TPP: No, have you signed Labour’s Say No to the TPPA petition, yet?

            <a href="http://www.labour.org.nz/tppa_petition

      • rob 2.2.2

        Yes I f…g do

    • rob 2.3

      Been noticed here aswel and I have commented on stuff to Tracy, Kirk an co and never seems to be published.
      not abusing them but explaining how one eyed they are to me.
      But some of their articles just make me as mad as hell,and they want a merger to controll most common media! things need to change or I can see a nasty movement coming soon. just a feeling something brewing.

    • Rob 2.4

      Yes they are becoming more visible
      I wonder if Tracey W et al get free Nat membership!
      It would be good as a punter for them to critically analyse the Nats inertia that is now forming society.
      I guess we will look back on This period as an opportunity lost.

    • HDCAFriendlyTroll 2.5

      They’re cunning aren’t they? They’ve even got Labour down to 23% in the polls…

      Though can the polls really be trusted?

      Obviously the lower in the polls Labour goes the more worried National gets. Why is this? Something really sinister is going on here.

  3. The lost sheep 3

    It’s so simple.
    To beat National Labour needs a leader to trump brand Key.
    2 years has been ample time to prove Little ain’t the ONE.

    Jacinda is the obvious next shot, but is smart enough not to go in now and take a beating that will cripple her long term prospects.
    There is no else who is even remotely suitable.

    So the option now is limited to sticking to Little through to next election while working hard in building brand Adern.
    In the medium term Labour must exert every available resource to the task of identifying one or more personalities of genuine charisma that can be brought through to leadership level.

    And from Left Field? Form a MU with NZF and promise Winnie the PM role in coalition. I reckon that would give Labour a 50/50 chance of being in the next Govt.

    • BM 3.1

      To beat National Labour needs a leader to trump brand Key.
      2 years has been ample time to prove Little ain’t the ONE.

      Whoever it is they don’t have to trump John Key, they just have to be personable, have a bit of a laugh and not take themselves too seriously.

      These are very important traits people like to see in their politicians Key has it, Winston has it, Little doesn’t have it.

      You don’t have to be the smartest person in the room, but you do have to be relatable.

    • Incognito 3.2

      Nah, it’s not like that at all!

      Brand Key is stale and well past its best-by-date as are National’s failed ‘ideology’ and ‘policies’.

      Labour needs to control its narrative and framing of its own policies and keep at it with vigilance and resilience.

      Labour also needs to try and inspire more without resorting to becoming ‘populist’ like Key and Winston Peters, for example.

      • The lost sheep 3.2.1

        You forgot to add the ‘sarc’ incognito?

        • Incognito 3.2.1.1

          Why ask me if you know the answer?

          • The lost sheep 3.2.1.1.1

            Apologies. Some commenters are so genuinely delusional here it’s often difficult to separate their ravings from a straight up piss take. Nice one.

      • Peter 3.2.2

        Quite agree. Labour should stick to an agreed script, these are our 3 main directions (what ever the decide) and when ever they comment or are interviewed, that’s what they talk about. The message needs to be clear and succinct, and it must, must appeal to the million or so non-voters. At the moment National keeps coming out as the winner, yes main stream media are rediculously biased, but thats just the way it is, Labour has to learn to break through the bias, and get their voice heard.

        • garibaldi 3.2.2.1

          How the hell is Labour going to “break through” the media bias? The media are owned by right wingers, so you can’t just break through them. I keep harping on about it , but this is the Lefts’ biggest problem. The only other contributor here that seems to agree with me is In Vino. Everyone else seems to think the media are neutral. Like hell they are!

        • Jenny Kirk 3.2.2.2

          Actually, Peter – Labour has done just what you suggested – there is a script – its called a Vision – and its brief and limited to six main points – and Labour MPs keep repeating it – but the media are still not picking up on it. Oddly enough Mr Key keeps repeating himself, and the media pick up on that ! So it can’t be the repetitive aspect that’s not getting thru ….. maybe its the media’s fault !

          Here are the six main points – and yes, pretty basic stuff.

          • We’ll build thousands of affordable homes and crack down on foreign speculators.
          • We’ll back our businesses to build a stronger economy – one that delivers decent work and higher wages.
          • We’ll invest in our regions, so there are jobs and opportunities.
          • We’ll care for the environment so we can all enjoy it, now – and in the future.
          • We’ll fix the health system by turning National’s years of underfunding around.
          • We’ll rebuild world-class schools to help every Kiwi kid dream big and succeed

      • BM 3.2.3

        Politics is a popularity contest first and foremost, any leader who doesn’t realize that shouldn’t be the leader.

        • Incognito 3.2.3.1

          Popularity of what exactly? Of the leader, candidates & MPs, policies? What does popularity even mean to you? Does it mean saying the exact thing that people want to hear – and then doing different things – or is it developing good policy and selling this well to the people so that they’ll start to understand & like it and (then) want to hear it? How shallow do you think people are, by the way?

          • BM 3.2.3.1.1

            A fair chunk of people hate politics and politicians they only think about them grudgingly for a couple of weeks every three years.

            They don’t really have a lot of idea or care about policy so people fall back on what they’ like as a person.

            This is what makes elections a popularity contest and why it’s so important for candidates to demonstrate their everyman/women persona and show that they’re personable. eg: have a laugh, play an instrument etc.

            • garibaldi 3.2.3.1.1.1

              Good god, I actually totally agree with you for once BM…. your first paragraph says it all.

            • Corokia 3.2.3.1.1.2

              Metiria fits the bill there BM.

            • Incognito 3.2.3.1.1.3

              A fair chunk of people hate politics and politicians they only think about them grudgingly for a couple of weeks every three years.

              I don’t know whether this is true or whether it is your projection. In any case, it depicts an infantile attitude; politics is everywhere, not just in the Beehive, Parliament or Town Hall, for example.

              They don’t really have a lot of idea or care about policy so people fall back on what they’ like as a person.

              You seem to have missed my comment about developing good policy and selling it so that they get to like it and care about. Is this asking too much, you think? So, do you think that people are shallow?

              This is what makes elections a popularity contest and why it’s so important for candidates to demonstrate their everyman/women persona and show that they’re personable. eg: have a laugh, play an instrument etc.

              I am not too sure what you’re getting at. Politicians are people, they are human, and I prefer them to be genuine, to be themselves. That’s all am asking; I don’t want a stand-up comedian, or a pop (rock) star, and I don’t give a toss about looks or appearances. I don’t need to be dazzled by their personality, blown away by their awesome aura, or blinded by their halo. That said, an inspiring message delivered in an inspiring way has an easier trajectory than a dull one delivered by a droid. Still, it is never about style over substance and it shouldn’t be.

      • Labour can absolutely run a populist campaign, it just needs to do populism without racism.

        • mosa 3.2.4.1

          Labour can run a populist campaign ?

          They better get on with it , and fast.

        • Incognito 3.2.4.2

          Sure, and it already does. However, populist means different things to different people. I like to see a campaign that is not just shallow and cynical appeal to the masses but one that is founded on integrity, authenticity, trust, honesty, to name just a few, and good policy.

          Indeed, the messages have to appeal and resonate with the voters and the candidates have to inspire as well but there are many ways to achieve this; it comes down to the underlying values and ethics dare I say it.

          Campaigning for all New Zealanders with a genuine intention to improve things can be called “populist”; campaigning with empty promises for a brighter future is also “populist”. So, what’s the difference? I think it is important to differentiate and this is what Labour should do too IMHO.

          • garibaldi 3.2.4.2.1

            Well that’s all and good incognito, but just the words “tax cuts” will overide everything you have just said to the people BM was referring to earlier… ie the majority who don’t “do” politics.

            • Incognito 3.2.4.2.1.1

              Sorry, but I give “the majority” a little more credit.

              Just shouting “tax cuts” is neither policy nor politics; it is cynical (or desperate?) vying for voters for the sake of staying in power.

              There are more important issues than a few dollars in the hand each week such as house prices and affordability and associated rents, suitable jobs that pay enough to get ahead and that offer prospects rather than being a dead-end soul-destroying walk to the gallows to pay the ever-rising bills.

              People most certainly “do” and understand politics when you cut through the confusing lingo. This is where Labour could do better and even shine IMO.

              To give you an analogy: Labour comes across like a very well-meaning great-aunty, and you know she’s right, but you wouldn’t choose to go on holiday with her for a week, would you? I must confess that I have greatly enjoyed trips & travels with my aunt and Travels with my Aunt is a book I’d like to re-read.

              Anyway, I hope you get my point about Labour. Helen Clark’s so-called “nanny state” was quite similar but people don’t take it well when they get told what’s good for them and/or for others; they (re-)act like children.

      • infused 3.2.5

        49% say otherwise.

        • In Vino 3.2.5.1

          Are they the ones who are above or below average?

        • Incognito 3.2.5.2

          Really? Do you mean Nick Leggett who said “Even after eight years as prime minister, John Key’s leadership still feels fresh”? To me John Key’s ‘reign’ feels more like a cloth nappy that has long lost its ‘whiteness’, if you know what I mean?

  4. Sanctuary 4

    The stories have come thick and fast, it is almost as if the government has the ear of the owners of our corporate media and their shills are trying to bad mouth and destabilise Labour ahead of a certain political event today.

    Audrey Young in today’s Herald:

    “…It is an unsettling time for MPs, especially for Opposition parties.

    They are competing among themselves for a voice as well as against a powerful government machine…”

    Of which Audrey is a 100% totally owned part, yet she can write that sort of claptrap without even a hint of self-reflection.

    What we have in NZ is a neoliberal one party state mentality in the establishment media and it’s legion of parasites, shills, apologists, managerialist and journalist hangers on. There is no alternative to neoliberalism. The corporate media won’t report on it let alone criticise it (Kim Hill’s interview this week with the shrill and emotionally retarded Anne Tolley threw into stark relief exactly how anodyne our MSM is) and public intellectual life has been more or less completely snuffed out in favour of permanent amnesia, knee jerk appeals to emotion and fake news.

    The liberal left has completely run out of steam, if it ever had any.

    Russell Brown spends his time shilling e-bikes and pining for his youth by making documentaries about drugs and being the oldest guy at every gig.

    TheSpinoff looked promising, but it has been revealed as a pay to publish bunch of younger white middle class neolibs being pissed off they can’t get their snouts in the trough because all the older neolibs got their snouts in first.

    The Greens have a managerialist Blue-Green leader who says nothing because he plans to fool his supporters by selling out as soon as he has a sniff of a ministerial portfolio.

    NZ First is about the only party left which still talks about issues that actually concern New Zealanders, like immigration and foreign ownership. Are they poised to replace Labour in the provinces as the main opposition party?

    And what of the Labour party? Intellectually becalmed in the 1990s and saddled by its disastrous candidate selection process with a lazy caucus full of self-loathing but entitled middle class social climbers who see any sort of talent mainly as threat of their mediocrity, it is drifting slowly around the plug hole, knowing the speed of the spin downwards is slowly picking up but hoping that somehow something will magically put the plug back in before they vanish down the hole.

    We desperately need a vehicle for left wing popular radicalism.

    • Michael 4.1

      Nah they don’t, the labour party are doing fine, it’s the rip of rightie trolls and neo liberal media patsies who have nothing but fact less bullshit to offer up, in the hope it will undermine the labour party. Sowing the seed of doubt is what these idiots are good at. Remember dirty politics!

      • Olwyn 4.1.1

        Surely a robust and committed vehicle for popular radicalism would help to counter these seeds of doubt you are talking about.

        • Carolyn_nth 4.1.1.1

          Isn’t this what Esra is aiming to contribute towards?

          ESRA Thinking about political organisation

          • Olwyn 4.1.1.1.1

            Yes. It is early days yet but that seems to be the plan.

            • Jenny Kirk 4.1.1.1.1.1

              Interesting – These are just the very same topics discussed at the recent Labour Party conference .
              Sue Bradford and Margaret Mutu never give Labour any credit for this sort of thinking ….. (and neither do the media) but it is this fascinating stuff behind the scenes which Labour does, which eventually provide the progressive policies this country needs.

              • Well if that sort of thinking never makes it to Parliament I think it’s relatively fair not to give Labour any bloody credit. It’s not of any particular use having good ideas at the grass-roots level but ignoring them before they filter all the way up. Nobody’s ever said the problem with Labour is that the actual members have their hearts in the wrong place. 🙂

                • Jenny Kirk

                  Ah – but that’s where you’re wrong Matthew Whitehead, which if you are a troll as I think you are, you probably know full well that Labour IS going to take this sort of thinking into Parliament – and out to the people during the election campaign : that’s why the Nats are running scared and all you trolls are out here, dissing Labour as much as you can beforehand.

                  • I’m not a troll. 🙂 I’m disillusioned with Labour’s losses costing New Zealand a chance to get a bunch of MPs that actually believe in left-wing policy, like the Greens, into government. 😉

                    I want Labour to reconnect with its values, burn the dead wood in its caucus, and finally start the rejuvenation that it’s been putting off for the last 10-15 years. I want it to bring its smart thinkers and good speakers from its conferences into Parliament, and I want it to put its best talent on the front bench, rather than the ones that win the current round of in-fighting. I would be perfectly happy to see a successful Labour Party, because it would mean a change in direction for NZ.

                    • Jenny Kirk

                      Okay then – maybe you’ll just have to be patient a little longer, Matthew Whitehead.
                      Andrew Little said he’d do three things – the first year was to sort out the Caucus, the second year to sort out policy, and the third was to campaign. He’s not yet at the end of his second year. So the third still has to come.

                    • I don’t particularly mind Little, I find him boring and uninspiring most of the time, but when he gets his anger on he’s actually a good speaker. He’s a good second-choice to Cunliffe IMO, which makes him the most practical option for leader.

                      As for his three-year strategy, I’d suggest he go back to his first-year goal and start with giving a “jump or you’re being pushed” ultimatum regarding the 2017 electorate endorsements and party list to at least Mallard and Curran before he moves onto campaigning and thinks he’s done working out policies. 😉 Labour needs to realise that winning an electorate isn’t all it takes to be a good MP- if that were the case, Chester Borrows might arguably deserve to be deputy speaker, and I think anyone who isn’t one of the National Party faithful can agree he’s not particularly inspiring. Mallard might be the best current candidate for Speaker among the Labour caucus, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a reason to keep him around when he’s clearly a drag on the party vote. Also, Little needs to have someone shadowing King on each of her responsibilities so she can be retired in 2020, as she’s not gaining in appeal as her career stretches on.

                      I know there’s room for Labour to get onside with Greenies like me and win the campaign in 2017, it’s just a matter of whether they can project the coherent idealogy that the members already have in their campaign, because Caucus is constantly looking more concerned with retaining their own electorates than with actually growing the Party Vote.

          • Sanctuary 4.1.1.1.2

            “…Isn’t this what Esra is aiming to contribute towards..?”

            when the first item on the agenda is “Dismantling the colonial state” then all I see is yet another group of identity politics radicals preaching to the same echo chamber.

            Momentum’s first principle is:

            “…Redistributes wealth and power from the few to the many…”

            i.e -talk about jobs, pay, and the resditribution of wealth. You know, the bread and butter issues of the left.

            • Carolyn_nth 4.1.1.1.2.1

              I don’t think the order of speakers is indicative of the priorities of ESRA.

              They claim as their main aim to oppose and provide alternatives to neoliberal capitalism – currently they are in the same building as Auckland Action Action against poverty. Their kaupapa has a focus of working towards “social, economic and ecological justice” – I see these 3 strands as being strongly interwoven: poverty in NZ is very brown – Though the ESRA name begins with E(conomic):

              ESRA About

              Research projects depend on who volunteers and for what.

              ESRA Research Projects

      • Michael is correct. He’s alert to the mechanics of the disheartening that trolls here and media there, are busy with. Michael calls it bullshit, and while it surely is, it’s more nuanced and practiced than that. The constant undermining of confidence is designed to dishearten. Ya gotta be upbeat to counter that!

    • Grey Area 4.2

      “Of which Audrey is a 100% totally owned part, yet she can write that sort of claptrap without even a hint of self-reflection.”

      Yep, but equally maybe she knows exactly what’s she’s doing but doesn’t care.

    • Shaw isn’t a blue-Green, he’s just more about being green than he is about being a radical lefty, which isn’t an unreasonable position for a Green. Remember, Turei is also leader, and she’s a former anarchist. Just because she’s not as unapologetically radical left as Sue B was doesn’t mean the Greens have gone centrist suddenly, especially not with voices like Marama Davidson in their caucus, who is very clearly talking about the reality of poverty and economic insecurity in Parliament, and even went off on a flotilla to palestine recently. There is a place for the radleft in the Greens, but it is seeking to be a bigger-tent party than JUST the radleft. It’s probably a fair criticism that it’s become a bit too much about liberals and not enough about economic justice.

      I do agree with you though it would be nice to have a more radical left party in Parliament, (it would actually give me a choice of who to vote for!) I think the big issue is that the radical left is pretty spread out among electorates and doesn’t seem to currently command 5% of the vote, thus making it a pretty difficult ask to get into Parliament without Mana winning an electorate or two. The other issue is that identity politics has interfered a bit, with the Internet Party calling to younger voters, and the Mana party calling more to those comfortable with Māori movements, and the Alliance defunct, it’s been difficult to unite the kiwi radleft into a single movement, as every attempt thus far has seemed contrived.

      Don’t disagree at all about the Labour Party though. Ironically, it seems we’d have more luck if we had a splinter party split off Labour and/or the Greens that was more generically radleft.

      • garibaldi 4.3.1

        Agree with you all the way today Matthew. As a Green supporter I am waiting to see what Labour can pull out of the hat (Anne keeps reassuring me that Labour has seen the light) and I am also not convinced about James Shaw. He does not lead from the front like Russell did and it is hard to have full confidence in him.
        So ,yes , it’s starting to look like we need a new Party of the Left.

        • James Shaw was definitely the best choice of all the options for male co-leader. He’s certainly a bit less outspoken than Russel, but he doesn’t have any less commitment to Green values.

          He is from the wing of the party that’s more about Green liberalism than about radical left policies, unlike Meyt, but there’s still a huge amount of agreement between those two wings.

          As long as Meyt’s successor, when she’s ready to step down, is someone equally persistent, and from the more radical-left end of things, I don’t particularly see a problem with Shaw being on the leadership team. Remember, a fair amount of Green support actually comes from soft National voters now, (probably 1-2% of the Party Vote) who see the Greens as a source of much smarter policy, from economics to energy to environment, so it makes a certain amount of sense to include them in the tent by making sure some of the environmental liberals get into caucus, and every now and then they have one of the co-leaders resonate with them like Shaw does. Big-tent strategies are generally good things, so long as the leaders can walk and chew bubble-gum in terms of simultaneously staying true to their core values and executing on big-tent strategy.

    • infused 4.4

      It’s the end of year. Reflection. Little has been rubbish. Labour have performed badly.

      • In Vino 4.4.1

        Correction – media present it that way, and trolls like you mimic the idea. I like to think of you as one who is forming the basis of an irony.

  5. Grantoc 5

    Seems to me its more accurate to say that Labour is on the road to nowhere or on the lost high way. Either way it seems to heading towards oblivion in its current state.

    • BM 5.1

      Yep. I don’t think there’s any coming back, the labour brand has been so trashed over the last nine years, that the voter first thought when labour is mentioned is to roll their eyes and say something negative.

      Long term I think the best option for the left is for the Greens and Labour to join together and become a new party with a new name and new brand.

      Leave all the bad publicity and negative stereotypes behind and start fresh.

      • r0b 5.1.1

        Gosh thanks for your “concern” there BM!

        • BM 5.1.1.1

          You think it’s a bad idea?.
          The left needs to have a 40% party to be taken seriously by the NZ voter, at the moment it’s all look a bit rag tag and unstable.

          Only way that’s going to happen is if Labour merges with the Greens and just like that you’ve got a creditable force and one the voter would probably take a hell of a lot more seriously.

          You would need new leaders though, the current lot are terrible, especially her majesty.

          • chris73 5.1.1.1.1

            I don’t think its all that bad for Labour, I mean it wasn’t that long ago that Helen Clark was being touted as one of the best PMs NZ have ever had (and I won’t argue with that)

            The problem as I see it is that when National got absolutely slam dunked they had a long hard, honest look at what and won re-election two elections later (and very nearly won one election later) whereas Labour seem unwilling to have that same discussion

            Next because of MMP left supporters can fool themselves into thinking that Labours not doing so badly so instead of looking inwardly as to why NZs not listening to Labour they instead look outwards for something/someone to blame

            So really all Labour need to do is have that hard conversation, not the slightly uncomfortable discussion they think thay’ve had, clear the decks, refocus on what they want to achieve and go from there

            • Ross 5.1.1.1.1.1

              Chris, it sounds like you can’t wait to vote Labour. 🙂

            • BM 5.1.1.1.1.2

              I think the issue is that there’s too many big brains who can’t cope with being wrong, every failure just get rationalized out so the blame can be placed some where else and the hard decisions never get made.

              Best thing is to scrap everything and start fresh.

              • Like hell. The right hasn’t “scrapped everything and started fresh” since the Labour Party came into existence and had the Liberal and Reform parties merge.

                I doubt that there is anything to be gained by a formal merger of Labour and the Greens. It actually hurts their chance of winning, in fact, as the allocation formula is more generous to two parties in coalition than it is to one big party.

          • Matthew Whitehead 5.1.1.1.2

            The left doesn’t function as well as a single large unit as the Right does. It would be like us cheekily advising National voters to support ACT or the Conservatives, knowing that the Right does better when unified into a large bloc.

            There’s nothing wrong with the Greens as a brand. They’re as successful as they’ve ever been, the growth is just a bit stalled.

            Labour isn’t having any trouble as a brand either, it’s the refusal to undergo a rejuvenation because it’s full of class-climbing careerists that couldn’t let go of Parliament even if they’re pushed that’s stopping it from getting into the 30-35% range it needs to be in to reliably force National out. In fact, the success of Labour as a brand is probably what’s stopping a lot of the Greens’ growth.

  6. Aye …from a wee Clan Gunn member… all this talk of Labour takin the high road… got me thinkin…

    Did the Bruce win his battle by being diplomatically polite to Henry de Bohun when he bashed out his brains with a battle axe ? … evidently not.

    And if anything, it seems to me that corruption deserves no clemency. To which this govt has been involving itself in ever since it came to power. Therefore ‘ Angry Andrew’ has a job to do . If you ask me , stuff trying to be a grinning idiot like Key. Show them the battleaxe instead and never give them rest.

    And that excuse that ‘ a week in politics is a long time’. Only wimps with no stickability resort to caving in and letting important issues go cold.

    • Wild Katipo – the angry wasp of the night – I support your call.

    • Observer Tokoroa 6.2

      . True Wild Katipo

      . The Key Government has been disastrous for the majority of New Zealanders, Not the wealthy.

      To let the Nationals off for their incompetence would be utterly criminal.

      Apart from the very wealthy – nobody in metropolitan New Zealand can afford to buy a house under the Key / English regime.

      Apart from very high earners everybody Renting in metropolitan New Zealand is struggling. As Key and English have planned.

      National go on about what they are doing to rebuild after earthquakes. But even in that ( – work done by engineers and builders, not by politicians -) they have not made Insurance Companies pay up and fund all the housing rebuilds. After years. National have no intention of getting their mates in Insurance to pay up.

      Then there is the constant feces being fed into our rivers and water resources. National have done nothing to protect our water. National hates the word “Environment”. National stinks to high heaven when it comes to guardianship of our land and water.

      Billy English bringing in 70,000 immigrants a year – but not providing infrastructure! Can a man be so dumb.! A National man can.

      They have of course given money to friends in the Middle East. Given easy runs to friends in Tax havens.

      If Andrew Little and all Labour Caucus do not wield the axe about all this incompetence – then sack Labour. New Zealanders are at stake.

      • Incognito 6.2.1

        Good comments!

        If Andrew Little and all Labour Caucus do not wield the axe about all this incompetence – then sack Labour. New Zealanders are at stake.

        The only people who can “sack” Labour are the same who can “sack” the outgoing Government.

        The evaluation report of this Government is very hard to read but it is clear that there are (too) many ‘pain points’ to gloss over. The thing is that people tend to look no further than their own immediate situation, make important decisions based on emotions (AKA irrational), and don’t really know and don’t want to know how the other half lives – I don’t mean the rich & famous.

  7. Ross 7

    The DomPost have come out in support of Little and Labour.

    Editorial: Labour is moving Right, not Left, and Leggett is no big loss.

    Some of the more naive pundits have swallowed the notion that the deal with the Greens has pulled Labour to the Left. They claim that Labour needs the centre but is now drifting away from its working-class roots.

    This is the self-serving argument of the Wellington mayoral candidate, Nick Leggett, who is switching to National. That switch is absolutely no surprise. Leggett is an ambitious politician and thought he could do well by abandoning Porirua for the much bigger city of Wellington.

    He challenged the Labour candidate, Justin Lester, and lost handily. Leggett’s Right-wing tendencies were already obvious when he was mayor of Porirua. He was clearly no longer an ally of Labour. Now he has joined a party where he more naturally belongs.

    Should Labour be grieving? Not really. Does the departure of Leggett mean Labour has moved suicidally to the Left? No. In fact, under Andrew Little Labour has clearly moved to the Right.

    …Labour’s deal with the Greens will certainly cause stresses and strains. The bigger party will have to do some horse-trading with the smaller one. This will involve electorate deals, Cabinet posts, and some policy issues.

    These deals can’t be avoided, and those on the Right who complain are simply deluding themselves.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/87093213/editorial-labour-is-moving-right-not-left-and-leggett-is-no-big-loss

    • Does it count as supporting Labour if you point out that Labour leadership is a bunch of dirty centrists who force-marching the party further rightward? lol

      • Jenny Kirk 7.1.1

        That was in the past, Matthew Whitehead – Labour is different now.

        All you have to do to understand this, is to read the Party’s Policy Platform . Here’s the link : https://www.labourparty.org.nz/sites/default/files/New%20Zealand%20%20Labour%20Party%20Policy%20Platform.pdf

        or for quickness, read Labour’s Vision here http://www.labour.org.nz/vision

        • I’d disagree, and say the pull of Labour towards the centre is still very much in the present, as it has been with all but one of the leaders after Lange. Left-wing parties are supposed to transform the economy into one that benefits everyone. Labour seems content to tinker around the edges of a fundamentally neoliberal system without any significant reform to deal with issues like increasing automation, offshoring of profits, undertaxation of capital investment, intergenerational theft and child poverty, and wasted expenditure on gatekeeping benefits to appeal to centrist middle-class voters.

          I don’t deny Labour has backed off from being overtly right-wing like they were under Rogernomics. But backing off from being right-wing can still make you a centrist if you don’t react against the past and undo the unwanted right-wing reforms of your opponents as much as you actually need to. The Labour party was very much a bunch of liberal centrists under Clark who undid the worst right-wing policies but were very cautious about taking any policy action that was overtly left-wing. Some of this was no doubt influenced by the fact that they needed NZ First and UF to maintain their numbers for government, but it’s not an excuse that was consistent, as for quite some time Clark had an alternative path of working with the Māori Party and Greens.

          Little seems like a good guy who at least isn’t undoing most of the reasonable reforms Cunliffe started for Labour, (like Sanders, Cunliffe was a bit of a lost opportunity for Labour to turn its direction around) but he’s not acting like enough of a populist to expand their vote. If Labour wants to actually get some of that Green policy into government that it’s so keen on copying years after the fact, they need to make some changes. 😉

          Most of this is likely to just be that as somewhat of a radical, I have a perspective that doesn’t fit inside the modern Labour Party, which seems to now view itself as the home for the average middle-class kiwi, rather than a party for anyone whose income doesn’t come from investments.

          edit: I should clarify that as a millenial I’m actually reacting against the Clark government and its successors more than I am against Rogernomics, lol.

      • Ross 7.1.2

        Matthew

        I personally think references to left, right and centre are silly and don’t explain anything. What’s a centrist? I would have thought it is someone who wants to get elected, just like someone on the left or right! 🙂

        • A centrist is someone who doesn’t have any particular economic ideology, or is content with a status quo somewhere between the “government should meddle a lot” crowd on the left and the “the invisible hand will handle EVERYTHING! Stop interfering” crowd on the extreme right. (not that there really is a moderate right in New Zealand, although arguably Dunne might fit there if you don’t believe he’s a centrist)

          Centrists tend to be more concerned with the interests of the middle class, (ie. equitable income tax cuts, policies that discriminate against beneficiaries in favour of working people, etc…) while right-wing economics aligns with the wealthy, and genuinely left-wing economics considers both workers and those who rely on benefits, with more emphasis on improving the lot of those of us who have it hardest.

          Centrists also tend to find approximately equal value in both social equality and social hierarchy, wheras the left and right value one over the other in that order.

          They’re just labels, I agree, and don’t cover everything, (it’s equally important to understand the differences between liberals, social centrists, and conservatives, and to talk about short-term vs long-term thinking) but that doesn’t make them meaningless.

          • Ross 7.1.2.1.1

            Matthew

            You’re focusing on economics. But politics is about a lot more than economics. That’s why labels such as left, right and centre are essentially meaningless. Donald Trump is supposedly – almost certainly! – on the Right, yet opposes the TPP which Labour (supposedly on the Left) also opposes.

            • Matthew Whitehead 7.1.2.1.1.1

              Well yes, because you were talking about right and left, which are labels on the political-economic spectrum. Likewise, if we’re talking about social policy, there’s liberals and conservatives. (and “social centrists,” if you will. These are sometimes conflated with Right and Left, as frequently leftists are also liberals, and right-wingers are also conservatives, but you can get left-wing conservatives (think Chris Trotter) and right-wing liberals. (Nikki Kaye comes to mind))

              Trump is interesting. He’s about as hard-right and ultra-conservative as you can get, but he’s also a populist, (those three factors describe most authoritarians, so it’s a good general label for him, although you can’t view everything he does through that lens) so he frequently zips into very left-wing rhetoric when it benefits him, somewhat like John Key or Winston Peters in our political idiom. His opposition to the TPP seems to be born out of a pretty extreme anti-globalisation viewpoint- (that is, he has the right opinion on trade deals mostly, but for the wrong reasons) hence a lot of his rhetoric about immigration as well. I wouldn’t be surprised to find he’s not particularly enthusiastic about the UN, either.

              I agree with you politics can be complicated to describe. But that’s a reason to use more labels, not less. 🙂

    • swordfish 7.2

      “The DomPost have come out in support of Little and Labour.”

      Yep … it’s a little known fact that the Dominion Post Editorials have been quite progressive over the last 5 or 6 years. Not only starkly contrasting with the rest of the MSM but also, intriguingly enough, regularly contradicting the opinion pieces of their very own Political Editor, Our Tracy (Watkins).

      Watkins enthusiastic embrace of the Leggett Myth and the Editorial’s repudiation of it being just the latest example.

  8. red-blooded 8

    I’ve just been watching The Nation, only to hear three “commentators” declare that Nick Leggett has done the right thing in hitching himself to the Nats and that “we are seeing the end of the Labour Party” (the opinion of someone called Trish). It’s only a month or two ago that this same programme (and Q+A) was regularly trotting out Leggit as a representative of the left. There doesn’t seem to be any attempt to give a balanced viewpoint. (I’m not surprised, just pissed off.)

    Look, Little and Key aren’t the same sort of guy. That’s OK. Helen Clark wasn’t exactly the smarmy, jokey sort, and people saw her as dour and remote at first. She lost an election before she won three. She won people’s respect by being honest, intellectually rigorous and a good team leader. She appointed good people and also managed to work with others (like Peters) whom she wouldn’t necessarily have chosen. She made the best of what she had.

    Little is a trustworthy, team-oriented guy. He’s got strong values. He doesn’t have to be like Key or (God forbid) Trump. Labour has a core set of values that’s worth respecting and is in it for the long haul.

    • Ross 8.1

      Leggett had a piece in yesterday’s DomPost. I swear John Key wrote it! If Leggett doesn’t get the nomination for Mana after that pile of steaming sycophancy, I’ll never comment on politics again. 🙂

      Leggett admitted that he’d been divorced from Labour years ago. It’s a pity he didn’t publicly declare his true position at the time.

      Here’s a taster of his sycophancy. It’s very impressive.

      My wife, Emily, who is proud of her Maori, Samoan and Pakeha heritage, is a National Party supporter. As we had our first baby a few months ago, we have talked more and more about the kind of country we want for our son. We want Tane to grow up in a proud, diverse  and confident New Zealand. Diversity – of cultures, beliefs and ideas. Open to the world, trading with our neighbours, and offering more and better opportunities for successive generations. 

      Even after eight years as prime minister, John Key’s leadership still feels fresh. He has stabilised and grown the New Zealand economy to enviable levels among other OECD nations; lifted education standards; helped more Kiwis off benefits and into work; and managed the fallout of natural disasters deftly and with compassion.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/87077458/nick-leggett-why-ive-ditched-labour-for-national

      • LOL, man is Leggett terrible. This is what happens when Labour becomes the party of the centre and tries to forget that it’s supposed to have “-left” appended on there somewhere. People can’t connect to a party without honesty and values.

      • save nz 8.1.2

        what a lot of vomit. Good Riddance once again to Leggett. As for him representing the centre. He is not centre, he is right and was in the wrong party.

        As for all the pro globalism stuff, be prepared for more of it from Crosby Textor. Internationally that is what is driving the anger – not so much the internationalism but the poverty, complexity, inequality and loss of rights it produces for most locals.

        Labour need to point out all the inequality that unchecked neoliberalism is creating. Yes there is growth, but it’s because of an earthquake is that good for the people??

        Yes there is still wealth because we were a nation of homeowners who are gradually being driven out of our homes, and farms and businesses and the statistics show it. Inequality is increasing. The biggest losers after the poor are the middle class.

    • TV shows have given up on journalism. You can watch them if you like, but it’s all infotainment at best.

      I think Little could absolutely win this election. He’s just not campaigning in a way that makes it look likely. The entire world is in a populist mood, and Little is acting like a technocrat. The stupid thing is, “Angry Andrew” would likely appeal a lot if he’d let him out. People want a populist who gets that the way the global economy is going is shafting ordinary people, and they want their leaders to share their anger.

    • Jenny Kirk 8.3

      + 100% red-blooded, and what’s more Little can also work with anyone he needs to (including Peters if necessary).

    • Incognito 8.4

      Well said, thank you.

    • mosa 8.5

      Red Blooded dont watch The Nation its tripe and just another National party propaganda outlet which spews anti left opinions that they think are somehow important and watching it just encourages them if they think they have an audience.

      Totally agree with the points you make and i have made some comments on this post about where i think Little needs to improve other than that a lot of work has gone in behind the scenes with unity and policy and discipline, which the media loves to exploit when they think there is none.

      Lets hope he can be that “Angry Andy” and really get stuck in to these bastards.

    • infused 8.6

      Helen was smart, kept her cool, and shot anyone out of line. Compare that to Little.

      • mosa 8.6.1

        Little is clever and a good operator and Helen could fire up when necessary.

        I have no doubt that if anyone is out of line they are dealt with swiftly.

        Helen was one of the best but it took a hell of a long time to get there and like her Little is focused and determined.

        Andrew is better than the shyster we have now.

  9. DH 9

    The Tracy Watkins article sums it up for me. She’s reporting on what I assume was a private meeting. Now either her reporting is truthful or it’s fiction and those present at the meeting will know which.

    It true then one could deduce there’s still a filthy narc (or more) passing secrets to the enemy and Labour needs to rid itself of the treasonous swine once and for all. If false then someone needs to start laying complaints with the BSA and putting the heat on over these made up stories.

    It’s unfathomable to me that any Labour politician would give that kind of information to what is clearly a hostile media. Why would they tell tales like that?

    • Because Labour is full of amoral climbers who all want to be leader next?

      • red-blooded 9.1.1

        Actually, Matthew, I doubt that it’s been much fun being the Labour leader in recent times, and if Labour were to change leader again any time soon the new person at the helm would have a really tough job. They’d be mocked and undermined by the media, for starters. I think people who take on leadership roles in tough times are often motivated more by a sense of service than self-glorification. One thing i admire about Little is that he’s kept his focus and has put real effort into team-building and policy review, not just into self-promotion and media. Of course, he does need to get out there and promote his message, but he needed a united team first and I think he’s done a good job of creating that.

        DH, the Watkins article is full of supposition. If she had solid sources, she’d be saying that.

        • I don’t disagree with you, and think given Cunliffe’s impending retirement from Parliament, Little is the best choice for leader. That comment is more about the tendency of certain senior MPs to be more interested with being king of the hill than they are with actually winning bloody elections, and they should cut it out and stop sabotaging the country by letting the Nats win.

        • WILD KATIPO 9.1.1.2

          I concur with that red- blooded.

          We all want to see the arse end of the diminutive little grinning idiot from Wall Street , … weve all endured 8 long years of his malfeasance – that and with the amount of lies he speaks its a wonder his nose hasnt grown down his legs , up between his cheeks and pokin out again through his mouth – but the truth is we need to be patient.

          Personally I couldn’t care less if we had a ‘ dour’ leader. I couldn’t give a rats backside if they didn’t feel the compulsion to dance on the tabletops like the current idiot does to grab media attention every five minutes.

          We dont need an identity politics leader. We dont need a politically correct one either, – what we do need is a sensible, stable leader capable of making decisions based on the welfare of the citizens of this country. Not just a few of them who already are well off – but those battlers and their family’s ( to which there are now multitudes under this so- called ‘ brighter future’ bullshit ) who are feeling the strain of day to day costs of living for them and their family’s.

          We need a leader who will deal with the bread and butter issues that affect far too many under this current negligent govt.

          We need a leader who doesn’t try to advance the interests of foreigners before locals , a leader who doesn’t pander to the interests of foreign govts over our sovereign laws, .. and more to the point, one who will curb this out of control , reckless , cancerous neo liberalism that has gutted this nation.

          Thats the sort of leader we need now.

          And NOT the moron with the elongated nose problem .

  10. save nz 10

    I think Labour don’t need to use dirty politics – but pointing out the truth about what is going on in this country, in particular John Key’s lies ,when the MSM will not, needs to be said.

    How else is joe public going to know?

    Labour need to get away from so much self flagellation, and then turn the mirror onto the Natz performance. Yep Labour fucked up big time, we all know, now move on move on and focus on the here and now problem, how the hell to rid ourselves of these parasite Natz sucking the economy and society dry.

    They need to highlight what could happen if the Natz get free reign over our country for another 3 years. That would scare me enough to vote!!

    Personally feel a bonus is a big radical policy to talk about – referendum on UBI funded by transaction tax and robin hood tax.

    Any talk of housing brings them down. It’s not Andrew Little or Labour, it’s housing talk. Yes housing is a major problem but there is not an easy solution because there is a range of factors from immigration to more regulation, less regulation, building prices and taxes, that will not haemorrhage votes. The best thing is to turn it back to the Natz and say – WTF did you do???

    • I think also the media confuses “dirty politics” with “attack politics.” Labour needs some attack politics to win, as Key is increasingly becoming a controversial character rather than a unifying one, and most of his core policies are deeply unpopular.

      It’s not dirty to point out things your opponents are genuinely doing things wrong. That’s fair play, it’s just offensive rather than defensive or constructive. The electorate likes a well-founded attack from time to time because they want their leader to look like a winner, it just can’t be the only thing a leader does well.

      By contrast, dirty politics is actual unethical behaviour, which Labour has largely avoided, unless you count the leadership coups.

      • Craig H 10.1.1

        Excellent distinction between attack politics and dirty politics.

      • Incognito 10.1.2

        By contrast, dirty politics is actual unethical behaviour, which Labour has largely avoided, unless you count the leadership coups.

        No, I don’t count those because they were internal and directed inwards. Unless you’re suggesting that this somehow unavoidably leads to DP …

        • Nope, just staving off trolls from saying “but what about backstabbing of Cunliffe,” etc…

          It’s a real stretch to call even that “dirty politics.” It’s more like “stupid politics.” We’ve known for a long time that unethical campaign behaviour is generally concentrated in a single party, and I’m not talking about Labour.

          • Incognito 10.1.2.1.1

            🙂

            It is “dirty” alright until it gets exposed for what it is and then it becomes “stupid”. In fact, getting caught or not seems to be some kind of ‘ethical benchmark’ for some; as long as nobody gets convicted of a crime it is all “pretty legal” and thus o.k.

  11. That Tracy Watkins article is abysmal – this is the sort of shit she is writing

    “Even the Kaikoura earthquakes are on National’s side.

    They are a reminder to voters of the best of this Government. Its response to disaster is well honed. Victims are looked after, businesses are supported. The prime minister, and his senior Cabinet ministers, are everywhere.

    Excuses, excuses. They are cold comfort to an MP whose CV can only boast a career in opposition.

    So the Left’s search for lessons in the Trump victory is understandable.”

    Really there is zero point reading this propaganda – it is designed to incite, and to dismiss, and to create hopelessness and all dressed up as ‘opinion’.

    as for labour – the desperation will kick in eventually and when it does it will already be too late. I’d say go left, I’d say go home to your base, your core, your history, your roots – but just a waste of time to say all that in this post truth, post left, post caring world.

  12. mosa 12

    Andrew Little is great at speaking at conferences and groups but put a camera and a tv presenter in front of him and he flops and loses confidence.

    He has to improve his performance here and get some training and be exact and on point with some humorous sound bites thrown in.

    His media time allocation unless its a negative attack story is painfully short so he needs to use that time to make an impression on the viewing public thats positive and remembered.

    • garibaldi 12.1

      And so we go round and round in circles. Lots of great comments here today but all to no avail because of our bloody useless media and an extremely well funded National Party with its Dirty Tricks brigade. We ( well, Nicky) exposed them last election and look what happened.
      I’m afraid it is going to take something big to derail National because at the moment they’ve got it all rigged.

      • Wayne 12.1.1

        “Look what happened.” Mostly because Internet Mana and the stunt involving Snowden et al was seen by many voters as a bigger dirty trick.

        No, National has not got it rigged. Voters (at least going by the polls) are making their own judgements, as is one particular voter, Nick Leggett.

        • garibaldi 12.1.1.1

          Snowden totally exposed Key and it didn’t make any difference at all.
          The all out drive against Internet – Mana and the “Labour does it too” meme were not coincidents.
          When I say ‘rigged’ I mean planned. The media will be used to deride the Left come hell or high water and shower the corporate Nat Party world with accolades about how great the economy is (when it actually isn’t). Chuck in a miserable tax cut for low earners(but heaven forbid don’t help those low life benes) but a nice windfall for the rich. Bingo. You don’t even need Crosby -Textor .
          “Voters are making their own judgements “. Bullshit, voters are parroting the media (see BM above. The majority don’t do politics).

        • Incognito 12.1.1.2

          Leggett has got skin in the game. Enough said.

      • infused 12.1.2

        lol. got it all rigged. idiot. you need to realise how bad labour is performing, then it might get through to you.

        when national fucks up, the media are all over them. just look at the housing ‘crisis’, people sleeping in cars etc. Labour made zero traction on this. It was story after story after story smashing national.

      • The lost sheep 12.1.3

        ‘We ( well, Nicky) exposed them last election and look what happened.

        What happened was saturation coverage of ‘Dirty Politics’ by the MSM in the weeks leading up to the election campaign.
        Now if you were correct, and the media was ‘rigged’ – wouldn’t they have buried that story?
        And if the MSM is what determines how people vote – then wouldn’t all that coverage have fatally damaged National?

        • garibaldi 12.1.3.1

          They did bury it. “Labour does it too” ad infinitum. Total derision and attacking of Nicky Hager and refusal to accept the truth of the exposure.

          • The lost sheep 12.1.3.1.1

            That sounds like the commenters on Whaleoil to me.
            Thought we were talking about MSM?

            On a quick search these are the first 2 MSM articles I found.
            http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10476532/Fight-dirty-politics-with-free-speech-Hager
            http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/253410/dirty-politics-warnings-for-the-media

            Neither of them conform at all to your statement.
            When i followed further links in the search it did confirm my memory that the MSM did in fact report ‘Dirty politics’ very thoroughly and from all sides.

            Can you give me some links to MSM articles that illustrate how you say it was reported?

            • In Vino 12.1.3.1.1.1

              Liar. The media reported huge (but false) donations to the Labour Party by a Chinese man who wanted citizenship – gave huge publicity to an 11-yr-old form letter in order to discredit Cunliffe, gave headlines to a story about a $1000 bottle of wine that never existed, never made a headline retraction of that vile lie… Can you refute that?

              • The lost sheep

                I can recall a story about The Labour Party being Offered donations from Chinese, but turning them down…and a story about Donghua Liu claiming he’d spent 100K on a bottle of wine at a Labour fundraiser…but from memory, it was clear Labour denied those claims?

                Show me it was reported differently?

                Not that it matters. This whole ‘media bias’ thing is conspiracy theory anecdotal confirmation bias bullshit.

                Anything to keep you from looking the reality in the eye.

                • In Vino

                  Yes, but the false accusations were in big headline stories, but the Labour denials were little bits on pg. 16 if publicised at all.

  13. Neil 13

    & where is Patrick Gower? he is very quiet on by-election

  14. The Chairman 14

    After Leggett resigned from the Labour Party and stood in Wellington against a Labour candidate, Little called him a right-winger.

    Not long afterward Little said former Porirua mayor Nick Leggett would be welcomed back into the Labour fold as someone with a “big future ahead of him”

    Why the hell would Labour welcome back this right-winger?

    After extending that olive-branch it seems Leggett left Little and Labour with egg on their face. He’s gone and joined National.

    Perhaps Labour won’t be so accommodating towards the right in the future.

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    I've got one source saying more Labour MPs than expected are mulling whether to vote for the deal - including names who were not on the letter to Juncker and Tusk— Emilio Casalicchio (@e_casalicchio) 17 October 2019 I've compiled a list of possible reasons why Labour ...
    2 days ago
  • Why do we need control orders again?
    On Wednesday, the government was loudly telling us that it needed to legislate to allow it to impose "control orders" - effectively a parole regime, but imposed without charge, prosecution, conviction or real evidence - on suspected terrorists because they couldn't be prosecuted for their supposed crimes. Today, it turns ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Bullshitting the Minister
    On Monday, the Hit and Run inquiry heard from NZDF's former director of special operations, who claimed that the defence Minister knew everything about the Operation Burnham raid. Today, the inquiry heard from that (former) Minister - and it turns out that he didn't know nearly as much as NZDF ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Speaker: Extinction Rebellion is not a cult (but ecstasy for the people)
    Yoga gurus and cult leaders – I’ve seen a few. Two weeks ago, I unknowingly joined an alleged new-age cult at the Kāpiti coast, together with a giant kraken and some neatly dressed pensioners who would make any book club proud.They were among the two hundred people of all ages ...
    2 days ago
  • We need to bring the police under control
    The last decade has seen a trend of increasing weapons availability to police. Assault rifles. Tasers on every hip. Guns in cars. And following the march 15 massacre, pistols on every hip, all over the country. At the same time, its also seen an increase in the abuse of force: ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • If you can’t measure it, does it exist?
    In the last couple of weeks, I’ve been busy preparing for our summer paper on Science Communication. Looking for something amusing about ‘risk’ in science, I came across this neat xkcd.com cartoon about why so many people come knocking on my door (or phoning me, or emailing me) desperately wanting ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    2 days ago
  • Swinson’s swithering
    Jo Swinson is doing even worse at this Being Sensible lark that I'd thought.  I've just become aware of the following utterance
    .@KayBurley presses Lib Dem leader @joswinson on whether she would agree to a #Brexit deal 'no matter how bad a deal it is' as long as it had ...
    2 days ago
  • Women’s rights, trans ideology and Gramsci’s morbid symptoms
    by John Edmundson The International Socialist Organisation (ISO) have recently reposted a February article, by Romany Tasker-Poland, explaining ISO’s position in the “trans rights” debate.  It is available on their website and on their Facebook Page.  The article sets out to explain why “socialists support trans rights”.  It reads more ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • We need to take guns off police
    Today's IPCA report of police criminality: a police officer unalwfully tasered a fleeing suspect who posed no threat to anyone:The police watchdog has found an officer unlawfully tasered an Auckland man who broke his ankle jumping off a balcony to escape arrest. [...] To avoid arrest, the man jumped over ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • “Bringing kindness back”
    "Auckland City Mission: 10% of Kiwis experiencing food insecurity", RNZ, 16 October 2019:About half a million people are experiencing food insecurity, according to new research from the Auckland City Mission. Food insecurity, or food poverty, is defined as not having enough appropriate food. The City Mission said over the last ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Press Release: “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance b...
    Media Statement for Immediate Release 16th October 2019 “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers Despite comments from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers—Herald Newspaper Tuesday Oct 15th–there is very little evidence ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    3 days ago
  • Ever-So-Slightly Bonkers: Simon Bridges Plays To His Base.
    Would You Buy A Used Propaganda Video From This Man? Bridges and the National Party’s strategists have discovered that the ideas and attitudes considered acceptable by today’s editors and journalists are no longer enforceable. The rise and rise of the Internet and the social media platforms it spawned means that ...
    3 days ago
  • Asking for food
    There is plenty of evidence of the way the business mentality has permeated every level of society since the recrudescence of market liberalism 35 years ago. You only need to think of how citizens in need of help from their government, their state, their country, are now routinely described as ...
    Opposable ThumbBy Unknown
    3 days ago
  • Forty years of change in the jobs Kiwi do and the places they call home
    John MacCormick Over the last 40 years, New Zealanders – and people in other countries – have experienced big changes in the jobs they do and where they live and work. These changes include: a decline in manufacturing jobs an increase in jobs in ‘information-intensive’ industries (which are better paid ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    3 days ago
  • Protecting Fresh Waterways in Aotearoa/NZ: The Strong Public Health Case
    Nick Wilson, Leah Grout, Mereana Wilson, Anja Mizdrak, Phil Shoemack, Michael Baker Protecting waterways has the benefits of: (1) protecting water from hazardous microbes; (2) minimising cancer risk and other problems from nitrates in water; (3) avoiding algal blooms that are hazardous to health; (4) protecting mahinga kai uses (cultural ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    3 days ago
  • Massey University triggered to rebrand
    by The Council of Disobedient Women In a press release today Massey University announced it has decided to rebrand and reorientate after struggling to be a University for grown-ups. For some time the University has wanted to be a safe play space for wee-woke-misogynists who have been really badly triggered ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Swinson backing calls for a second referendum (again)
    After a brief dalliance with 'hard Revoke' it looks like the Lib Dems are changing ground on on Brexit, with leader Jo Swinson reverting to calling for a second referendum on Johnson's deal.The party has tabled an amendment to the Queen’s speech requesting that any deal brought back from Brussels ...
    4 days ago
  • An odious bill
    The government has decided that someone has done Something Bad. But despite their belief, there seems to be no evidence that they have actually broken the law. So the government's solution is to pass a retrospective law allowing them to be punished anyway, on a lower standard of proof. If ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • National is now the party of climate arson
    So, Judith Collins has done a Facebook rant about climate change, peddling the same shit National has been shovelling for the past twenty years: the impacts are overstated, there's no need to do anything about it, and its too hard anyway (oh, and its so unfair that people who peddle ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • The environmental footprint of electric versus fossil car
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz There is a lot of discussion on the benefits of ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    4 days ago
  • “Manifest” by Andrew Bird – A Song For The Times.
    I came across this song quite by accident. If it isn't one of Greta Thunberg's favourites - it should be.Video courtesy of YouTube.This post is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    4 days ago
  • Passing the buck
    Last month, NZDF's shoddy coverup of what it knew about civilian casualties in Operation Burnham began to fall apart, with the revelation that a report on the matter, which NZDF claimed not to have, had been sitting in an NZDF safe for the past nine years. Yesterday, the man responsible ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • India a major player in Earth observation satellites
    While many imagine that countries like the USA and Europe dominate space activities, in fact India is now a major player on this stage. It launches satellites for its own purposes and also commercially, and has constellations orbiting our planet and returning data of vital importance to that nation in ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    5 days ago
  • The rot at the top (2).
    Thanks to a report from the Acting Inspector General of Intelligence and Security following a complaint by Nicky Hager, we have come to find out that the SIS illegally spied on Mr. Hager on behalf of the NZDF after publication of Hager’s 2011 book, Other People’s Wars. The NZDF justified ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    5 days ago
  • Common misconceptions about “Global Warming”
    COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING MYTH 1: Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate. FACT: The HadCRUT3 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    5 days ago
  • A climate of tyranny
    For the past week, Extinction Rebellion has been peacefully protesting in London to demand action on climate change. The British government's response? Ban their protests:Police have banned Extinction Rebellion protests from continuing anywhere in London, as they moved in almost without warning to clear protesters who remained at the movement’s ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Collins crushes climate
    An essay by Judith Collins MP reported on Carbon News yesterday seems to show an alarming shift in attitude within the National Party. Collins argues against the Zero Carbon Bill, the Paris Agreement, and downplays the magnitude of climate impacts. The Paris Agreement was adopted in December 2015 and ratified ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    5 days ago
  • More disappointment
    When they were running for election, Labour promised to overhaul the Employment Relations Act and introduce fair pay agreements to set basic pay and conditions on an industry level, preventing bad employers from undercutting good ones. They followed this up by establishing a working group, which reported back in January ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • What do these mother-child studies really say about fluoridation?
    A list of indicators of bad science – many of these are found in articles promoted by anti-fluoride activists. Anti-fluoride activists have been pouring money into a scaremongering campaign warning pregnant women not to drink fluoridated water. They claim fluoride will lower the IQ of their future child. Fluoride ...
    5 days ago
  • Losing Labour’s Mills-Tone.
    Nothing Left To Say: Labour's pollster, Stephen Mills, remains swaddled-up in the comforting myths of the 1980s. As if the experience of Roger Douglas’s genuinely radical post-Muldoon policy agenda was literally a once-in-a-lifetime thing – as much as the party could possibly absorb for at least the next 50 years.MEMO ...
    5 days ago
  • Speaker: Disability and the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse
    The Royal Commission on abuse in care is very significant for the disability community. For many decades last century, thousands of disabled children, and adults who managed to survive, were locked away from families and communities. This was not for anything they had done, but for the perceived threat their ...
    5 days ago
  • Spain is not a democracy
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • UK Conservatives hate democracy
    With an unfair voting system, uneven electorates and an un-elected upper house, the UK's "democracy" is barely worthy of the name. But now the government wants to make it worse:The government has been accused of suppressing voters’ rights with the potential disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of people after plans ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • What is wrong with our building industry?
    Back in the 90's and early 2000's, the building industry was building leaky homes which should never have been granted consent. Now it turns out they've been building dodgy office blocks as well:New imaging technology has revealed hundreds of major buildings nationwide have defective or missing concrete or reinforcing steel. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Local bodies
    Local body election results were released over the weekend, to joy or despair depending on where you live. In Auckland, Phil Goff trounced John Tamihere, who is muttering darkly about running for Parliament again (but which party would want him?) Wellington is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Weta Workshop, except ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A future of government
      How could government evolve over the next decades? Reports of democracy’s imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.  However, satisfaction with political systems in many countries is low, so there is much to do for governments of all political stripes to improve relevance and trust. Digital technologies are seen as one ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Catalonia, interrupted
    Two years have now gone by since the Friday afternoon when my university-student son and I headed out of our Barcelona flat to a nearby primary school, designated as a polling station for the vote that was to be held the following Sunday: the referendum on Catalonia’s independence from Spain ...
    1 week ago
  • Sage Decisions Unwisely Over-Ruled.
    Overruled: The joint decision of Finance Minister, Grant Robertson (Labour) and his Associate Minister, David Parker (Labour) arguably the two most powerful ministers in Jacinda Ardern’s government, to grant OceanaGold the consents which Land Information Minister, Eugenie Sage (Greens) had earlier denied them, offers bitter proof of how hard fighting ...
    1 week ago
  • Government may ban voting in effort to get more people to do it
    More than double the number of people who will vote in this year’s local body elections have tried marijuana or urinated somewhere they shouldn’t have. As local elections look set for the lowest turnout in decades, with many regions falling well short of 40%, the Government is exploring a number ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Woman: Deleted.
    A Statement on Abortion Law Reform by the Council of Disobedient Women   On the eve of bringing an end to antiquated, anti-women abortion laws Green MP Jan Logie intends to write women out of the Bill. With a stroke of the pen, the woke are aiming for total erasure ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The Hollowest of Men Ride Again… SURPRISE!
    Musings continue apace about “the experienced businessman!” soon to be taking up a National Party MP position. Or to be more accurate, being parachuted into a seat to shut down their former MP Jamie-Lee Ross, who despite his own shortcomings shed at least some more light on the inner workings ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Barbaric
    The Ugandan government wants to murder gay people:Uganda has announced plans to impose the death penalty on homosexuals. The bill, colloquially known as “Kill the Gays” in Uganda, was nullified five years ago on a technicality, but the government said on Thursday it plans to resurrect it within weeks. The ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Fighting Monsters.
    Freedom Of Speech? The Säuberung (cleansing by fire) was the work of the German Student Union which, on 10 May 1933, under the watchful eye of the Nazi Reichminister for Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, consigned 25,000 books to the flames in a ritual exorcism of “un-German thought”. According to the logic of the ...
    1 week ago
  • The next wave of kaupapa Māori politics: its constitutional, it must be.
      “There can be no such thing as kaupapa Māori political parties or politics in Aotearoa” (Willie Jackson, Labour Party (2017). Māori TV, General/List Election Special) I begin with that claim because at the time, I was confounded at first that it fell out of Willie Jackson’s mouth, and then ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Night lights of NZ from orbit
    New Zealand has prided itself for decades with regard to its lack of pollution, and all will be aware that the ‘100% Pure New Zealand‘ meme is under threat through land, water and air pollution of various causes. There is another type of contamination that the country also faces: light ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    1 week ago
  • Reporters deliver uplifting news to fleeing Japanese residents: they won’t miss any rugby
    New Zealand’s media is doing its part in Japan, reassuring those in the path of the storm that they won’t miss any rugby while away from their flooded homes. New Zealand sports reporters stationed in Japan for the Rugby World Cup have had the rare and heartwarming opportunity to inform ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Government in contentious discussions about whether to put surplus on red or black
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones is the only Cabinet member in favour of putting it all on green. As Finance Minister Grant Robertson finds himself with an enormous $7.5 billion surplus, the Government has begun intense, at times contentious conversations about whether to put the money on red or black at ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Jordanian teachers’ successful strike has lessons for here
    by Susanne Kemp At the start of September close to 100,000 school teachers went on strike in Jordan.  They demanded a 50% pay rise.  A pay rise actually agreed to by the regime back in 2014. In early October, however, in the face of government repression and threats, the teachers’ ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Why some people still think climate change isn’t real
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz Why do people still think climate change isn’t real? David ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • The SIS unlawfully spied on Nicky Hager
    Back in 2011, journalist Nicky Hager published Other People's Wars, an expose on NZDF's activities over the previous decade of the "war on terror". NZDF didn't like this, and especially didn't like the fact that it was base don leaks from their own. So, they had the SIS investigate him ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • October 2019 – Newsletter
    https://mailchi.mp/7d9133add053/closing-the-gap-october-2019-newsletter ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    1 week ago
  • And they wonder why we think they’re environmental vandals…
    The Zero Carbon Bill is due back from select committee in two weeks, and will likely pass its final stages in November. So naturally, farmers are planning a hate-march against it. But they're not just demanding lower methane targets so they can keep on destroying the planet; they're also demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Paying the price in California
    Last year, California burned. This year, to stop it happening again (or rather, to stop themselves from being found liable if it happens again), Pacific Gas and Electric is cutting power to half the state for a week:Schools are closed. Traffic lights down. Tunnels dark. Businesses unopened. Hospitals running on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Let’s Hear It For Up-Close-And-Personal, Hard-Copy Democracy!
    The Best Way: Missing from the on-line voting debate is any reference to the voting system that produces turn-out figures ranging from 77 to 93 percent of registered voters. The voting system used to collect and count the votes cast in our parliamentary elections. The system that involves citizens making ...
    1 week ago
  • 10/10: World Day Against the Death Penalty
    Today, October 10, is the world day against the death penalty. Out of 195 UN member states, 84 still permit capital punishment. Today is the day we work to change that. This year's theme is children. Having a parent sentenced to death or executed causes long-term trauma and stigmatization which ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Talking Freer Lives: a Marxist gender-critical perspective from Australia
    Among the great new bunch of political friends we have been making recently is the excellent Australian-based Marxist gender-critical site, Freer Lives.  So we asked the comrade who set up that blog to write something for Redline on the blog, himself, his analysis of the rise of gender politics and ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Government spin accepted by union leadership
    by Don Franks  The Auckland City Mission is struggling with a 40 percent increase in demand for food parcels this year. A total of 23,020 were needed by June. Last month Missioner Chris Farrelly told the Herald the “cupboards are bare” and without an emergency food drive, he can’t see ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Forbidden Thoughts
    by The Council of Disobedient Women   Massey Wellington Student Association had a sit-in today. Imagine a sit-in. On a campus. Against a women’s rights meeting. Did the ’60s really happen or did we fucking dream it? They gathered in the student square, an echo chamber. Sitting on soft pillows ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Much love to my loyal Ukrainian readership
    For some reasons, my post about the mystery message from inside the Downing Street bunker seemed to catch people's attention.  Quite a lot of hits from NZ (unsurprisingly) and the USA (a bit more puzzlingly, but hi there, USAians!!) and 76 views from the Ukraine.I've celebrated my Ukrainian readers in ...
    1 week ago
  • Another day of bonkers GNUmours (again, sorry)
    First, almost a score of Labour MPs seem to have sent a letter to the EU basically begging them to accept a deal - any deal - just so Britain can get the Heck on with Brexiting instead of being trapped in limbo:
    To avoid no deal, deliver on the ...
    1 week ago
  • Labour vs working class immigrants – again!
    by Phil Duncan In 2016 the National-led government suspended the Parent Visa Category, through which migrants were able to bring their parents into New Zealand.  Since then over 5,700 people have been in immigration limbo, stuck on the visa wait list. Labour is now bringing back the scheme.  Well, sort ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women press statement: on Massey University and Feminism 2020
    The following was released yesterday (Tues, October 8) by the women’s liberation organisation Speak Up for Women. On 23 September Speak Up For Women announced that we would be holding an event at the Massey University Theaterette in Wellington. The event is called Feminism 2020. The intention of the event ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Farmers support dirty rivers
    The government is currently consulting on plans to improve freshwater quality. So naturally, farmers oppose it:South Taranaki farmers are preparing to fight proposed national freshwater changes that some fear will bankrupt them. The Government's proposed National Environment Standard on Freshwater Management, released in September, rated the Waingongoro River as one ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No-one cares about local government
    Yesterday was the last day for (reliably) posting your vote away in local body elections. Turnouts are mostly much lower than the equivalent time last year (Palmerston North is down 2.3%), and so naturally people are pushing their online-voting snake oil again. Because the online census worked so well, lets ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The political ghosts of eugenics may matter more than the genetic
    This essay, on the political legacy of the eugenics movement, by Kenan Malik was originally published in the Observer on 6 October 2019, under the headline ‘The spirit of eugenics is still with us, as immigrants know to their cost’. Birth control. Intelligence tests. Town planning. Immigration controls. It’s striking how ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • “Surplus” again
    Another year, and the government has announced another enormous government "surplus". And just like last year, its nothing of the sort. When we have people homeless and sick and hungry, when we have schools and hospitals still falling down, when we have underpaid public servants and infrastucture unmaintained or unbuilt, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Inside the Downing Street bunker
    James Forsyth at The Spectator (I know, I know) has tapped one of his contacts inside Number Ten for an insight into the Johnson administration's thinking and strategy.It is fascinating, unsettling and quite, quite mad.  Some key points:Negotiations have stalled and the Johnson administration are keen to blame the EU: ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Taking Control Of The Nation’s Story.
    Fatal Contact: With the arrival of captain James Cook in October 1769, the islands of what would become New Zealand ceased to be the preserve of Polynesian navigators and settlers and became a part of both the world’s map and the world’s history.THE MAORI NATIONALIST assault upon the historical meaning ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Are GNUs extinct?
    Another round of tactical talks about forming a Government of National Unity have come to nothing with the Liberal Democrats still refusing countenance putting Jeremy Corbyn into Downing Street:Opposition talks on Monday made little headway over when to try and vote down Boris Johnson's government and who might succeed him as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour chickens out again
    When the government was elected, it promised to lead the way on electric vehicles, and specifically to make the government vehicle fleet emissions-free where-practicable by 2025.They lied:There are 15,473 vehicles in the government fleet and only 78 are electric. When the coalition Government came into power in late 2017, the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Transgender extremism, violence at work against feminist meeting at British Labour Party conference
    by Nick Rogers The debate around the meaning of sex and gender made an appearance at this year’s British Labour Party conference in Brighton. Women’s Place UK – an organisation that questions the demand that biological males who self-identify as woman should have access to women’s spaces, to all-women shortlists, ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Rebelling in Wellington
    Yesterday I went down to Wellington to participate in the Extinction Rebellion protest. Its part of the latest global wave of XR actions, with actions happening all over the world. Some of those protests are massively disruptive: in Canada, XR is blocking major bridges, stopping people from getting to work. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

  • Methane reducing cattle feed one step closer
    The Government today announced its support for a project that could substantially reduce agricultural greenhouse gas emissions from cattle. The announcement was made as part of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor’s visit to Nelson’s Cawthron Aquaculture Park. The Cawthron Institute will receive $100,000 from the Government’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Bill to refresh superannuation system passes first reading
    Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the first reading of the New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension Legislation Amendment Bill. “Every New Zealander has a stake in New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension,” says Carmel Sepuloni. “They are our most common form of social assistance – nearly 800,000 New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Government announces next steps in fight against measles
    Babies in Auckland aged six months and over can receive a free vaccination and children will all have access to vaccines, Associate Minister of Health Julie Anne Genter announced today at Papatoetoe High School.   The move comes as part of Government efforts to step up the fight against measles. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures: Connections, Identity...
    ***Check against delivery*** Good morning. It is a pleasure to be here, and to have the honour of opening this important conference on behalf of the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. Let us take the opportunity to acknowledge all the people who have helped make today possible, including our special ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Police trial new response to high risk events
    Police Minister Stuart Nash says the safety of frontline officers and members of the public will be the focus of a new trial of specialist Police response teams in three of our largest urban centres. Police have this morning released details of an initiative to be trialled in Counties Manukau, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New awards celebrate fisheries sustainability
    The Minister of Fisheries is calling for entries for a new public award to celebrate innovation in our seafood sector. “I have established the Seafood Sustainability Awards to recognise and celebrate those throughout industry, tangata whenua and communities who demonstrate outstanding dedication and innovation towards the sustainability of New Zealand’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • More progress for women and we can do more
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter welcomes leaders in the private sector taking action on closing their gender pay gaps to ensure a fairer workplace for all New Zealanders. Ms Genter today launched a new report, Addressing the gender pay gap and driving women’s representation in senior leadership, from the Champions for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
    The Government has approved funding for a new acute mental health facility for Waikato which will provide better care and support to people with mental health and addiction issues. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Dr David Clark announced the $100 million project to replace the aging Henry Rongomau ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Driving transparency, ethics and accountability in government use of algorithms
    Minister for Statistics James Shaw today announced a public consultation on a proposed algorithm charter for government agencies. The charter has been developed by the Government Chief Data Steward in response to growing calls for more transparency in government use of data. Computer algorithms – procedures or formulas for solving ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New Zealand and the Netherlands working together on climate change
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, Climate Change Minister James Shaw and visiting Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte co-hosted a business roundtable in Auckland this morning focused on working together to address climate change.  “The Netherlands is an important partner for New Zealand. We share a strong agricultural history. Sustainable agribusiness and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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