No wonder Key wouldn’t say who Rawshark was!

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1. NZJester 1

   31 October 2014 at 2:17 pm

   Or worse yet the hat of the former head of the GCSB (Oh sorry my mistake. Same hat.)
   Did Key get Rawsharks name from illegal spying by the GSSB and that is why he will not say who told him and what the persons name is?
2. AmaKiwi 2

   31 October 2014 at 2:41 pm

   I am no lawyer but it seems to me:

   1. The police MUST ask Key who Rawshark is and Key’s source for that information.
   2. Key gives them the info and the police return all of Hager’s materials. They now have what they claimed in the warrant they were looking for. OR
   3. Key refuses and he is charged with obstructing a police investigation.

   This is what would happen if I claimed to know Rawshark.

   If I am incorrect, please explain.

   Thank you. AmaKiwi
   • Chooky 2.1

     31 October 2014 at 3:05 pm

     yes now that key has admitted to knowing who Rawshark is….there is no reason for the police to keep holding on to Hager’s material

     .
     • Chooky 2.1.1

       31 October 2014 at 7:30 pm

       question is…does Hager have any more stuff in those files from sources other than Rawshark?

       …is this the real reason for the 10 hour hunt/turnover of Hager’s place ( when of course he wouldnt keep Rawsharks name there)

       ….was it really a fishing expedition because Key is worried about other material that Hager has been researching and other sources

       …in which case not returning the computer/files is an attempt to stop an investigative journalist in his work
   • Treetop 2.2

     31 October 2014 at 5:41 pm

     When a person is not prepared to name someone they are concealing their identity for a good reason. Key must have known that Rawshark has some juicy emails.

     Rawshark was not sure what material Hager would use. The media were forbidden from publishing new material. Slater would have discussed with Key making a police complaint, Key has much more to lose than Slater and Key would want to know what Rawshark could use against him, otherwise Key would have given the name (Rawshark) to the police and this may have prevented Hager being raided. Key does not want the public to know how freely he speaks to Slater, I think this is why he did not want to give an answer during question time when asked about what was said to Slater.

     What does Collins make of Key accepting her resignation and Key with holding information which is part of a police complaint?

     Wasting police resources is not the answer. Key using the police for his own personal gain is the answer.
3. Dont worry. Be happy 3

   31 October 2014 at 2:55 pm

   Arrest John Key. Charge….obstruction of justice.
   • Naki man 3.1

     31 October 2014 at 10:33 pm

     Don’t be a muppet. The police are looking for evidence not speculation. Hager knows who Rawshark is, Someone told Key who they thought it was, you cant lock someone up without evidence. Only a dick would suggest searching key’s house because he received a phone call.
     • KJT 3.1.1

       31 October 2014 at 10:49 pm

       They searched Hager’s because he received an email…….
4. weka 4

   31 October 2014 at 3:05 pm

   Damn, better take my costume off then.
5. Hone 5

   31 October 2014 at 4:23 pm

   Here’s how the call went.

   (Key) Hi John here.
   (From the tip line) Cam here John.
   (Key) Cammy baby!!!
   (From the tip line) Rawshark is DotCom.
   • CnrJoe 5.1

     31 October 2014 at 4:51 pm

     (Key = Prime Minister or the Minister Responsible for Ministerial Services or the Minister of National Security and Intelligence or the Minister of Tourism or Bronaghs husband or Moonbeams jailer or Camerons Slaters Beehive tipline or National Party Leader…and on and on…).

     Which one you meaning Hone?
   • Eralc 5.2

     31 October 2014 at 6:21 pm

     I hear Rawshark is a female.
6. ropata rorschach inkblot 6

   31 October 2014 at 4:37 pm

   Here’s some of the hours of amusement…

   https://twitter.com/search?q=rawshark&src=typd&mode=photos
7. Treetop 7

   31 October 2014 at 4:40 pm

   It seems as though it is a lot easier to nail who Rawshark is compared to obtaining enough evidence to go to trial for 25 people who have been seriously offended against.

   Maybe Rawshark just might be able to obtain enough evidence for rape complainants to attempt to get some justice from a system which is so stacked against being heard.
8. stever 8

   31 October 2014 at 4:55 pm

   I find that the way Key treats all this, clearly, as some sort of game is really worrying.

   He doesn’t really seem to take anything seriously when pressed.

   Does he believe in anything (except the Tories’ usual selfishness?)
   • blue leopard 8.1

     31 October 2014 at 5:02 pm

     +1 Stever

     Exactly
   • NZJester 8.2

     31 October 2014 at 5:37 pm

     His attitude is only the tip of the iceberg however. Cameron Slater and his mates have as shown in the book Dirty politics been slowly removing all the moderates out of positions of power in the National Party and stacking the top jobs and safe electorate seats in the party with all their hard right leaning mates. This new National Government is even far more right wing than the one we had in the previous 3 years.
     • Colonial Rawshark 8.2.1

       31 October 2014 at 6:08 pm

       slowly removing all the moderates out of positions of power in the National Party and stacking the top jobs and safe electorate seats in the party with all their hard right leaning mates

       Yep. Or with young careerists who do not understand the historical or social context to anything, and who will do as they are told in order to get ahead.
       • greywarshark 8.2.1.1

         31 October 2014 at 7:11 pm

         cv 6.08pm
         Ain’t that the truth.
       • KJT 8.2.1.2

         31 October 2014 at 8:31 pm

         I think that happened with Labour in 1984. But, they are still there.
         • Colonial Rawshark 8.2.1.2.1

           31 October 2014 at 10:38 pm

           Interesting…
9. Sable 9

   31 October 2014 at 5:30 pm

   Keys is a hollow man. The only reason he is still in office in my opinion are his corporate sponsors in the popular press and the shallow mindset of many New Zealander’s who consume this informational garbage as if it were caviar….
   • NZJester 9.1

     31 October 2014 at 5:49 pm

     Key tries to make out he is as caring to the poor as a socialist.
     Who knows maybe he is a socialist on the in side of the National Party.
     A true National Socialist ;-p
     • Colonial Rawshark 9.1.1

       31 October 2014 at 10:38 pm

       😈
10. felix 10

    31 October 2014 at 5:58 pm

    Guess the police will be raiding Key’s home and seizing all his work-related material.

    Right?
11. AmaKiwi 11

    31 October 2014 at 6:12 pm

    Your comments have been interesting and some entertaining. But I am deadly serious about the question I posed at the beginning (2). It would be best if we could get an informed legal opinion.

    Question: If Key does not give the police the identity of Rawshark, can he be charged with obstruction of justice?

    Supplemental Question: Can a private prosecution be brought against Key for obstruction of justice?
    • weka 11.1

      31 October 2014 at 6:41 pm

      I think you will find that bragging isn’t considered evidence of truth.
      • AmaKiwi 11.1.1

        31 October 2014 at 7:32 pm

        He said it. Whether he was bragging or not is irrelevant.

        Is Key obstructing a police investigation?
        • weka 11.1.1.1

          31 October 2014 at 7:50 pm

          It’s not irrelevant if you are talking about legalities. If bragging was a sign of truth then the police would have prosecuted the roast buster rape gang.
          • Pascals bookie 11.1.1.1.1

            31 October 2014 at 8:40 pm

            Nah. key is at best claiming to have hearsay evidence from an unknown source. The police might want to ask him for more info, but he is under no legal obligation to talk with them. There is no reasonable grounds to suspect he knows who RS is at all, so it’s unlikely a judge would grant any sort of warrant/

            I think he’s bullshitting anyway. He told this to Roughan, to put in his book which will mostly only be read by Nat party faithful. This is just myth making stuff, big noting to the grandkids when they read is book bored during a rainy holiday sometime in the 2050s.
        • Ian H 11.1.1.2

          1 November 2014 at 5:12 pm

          No Anna, Key isn’t obstructing a police investigation. The police haven’t asked him anything yet. If they did I’m sure he would answer fully. Key is obliged to cooperate with a police investigation and answer police questions, but he has no obligation to pass on hearsay about the identity of this person to the news media. In fact doing so would be risking a lawsuit for slander. Hager is also obliged to cooperate with a police investigation and answer police questions. I understand it the police have asked him questions and he has declined to answer.
12. greywarshark 12

    31 October 2014 at 7:22 pm

    I’m cleaned out of suitable things for trick and treating. I was just thinking that yek could go as himself with some red horns for his head and really clean up the neighbourhood.
    • Chooky 12.1

      31 October 2014 at 7:40 pm

      who is yek?
      • weka 12.1.1

        31 October 2014 at 7:51 pm

        Our illustrious dear leader.
      • mpledger 12.1.2

        31 October 2014 at 7:55 pm

        think backwards
    • weka 12.2

      31 October 2014 at 7:52 pm

      “really clean up the neighbourhood.”

      Why bother when he has a whole govt to do that for him?
      • greywarshark 12.2.1

        31 October 2014 at 8:00 pm

        Well let’s face it, he’s a bit of a superman with a strong tendency towards the joker and perhaps the riddler too. He has minions but one swoop from him and he can whip away any problems.
        • weka 12.2.1.1

          31 October 2014 at 8:18 pm

          are we talkng about the same person? I think he’s more like Saruman.
          • greywarshark 12.2.1.1.1

            31 October 2014 at 9:07 pm

            There are so many bad superhumans. A plethora, but Saruman would be right I think. But he may yet go down in the Hall of Lame as a unique baddie.
            • weka 12.2.1.1.1.1

              31 October 2014 at 9:35 pm

              Hall of Lame, lolz.
            • KJT 12.2.1.1.1.2

              31 October 2014 at 9:35 pm

              He reminds me of one of the guys at my high school. A total self interested bully, but for some unfathomable, to me, reason he always had a tribe of worshipping followers.

              Mind you I see the same attributes in many highly paid managers. Our culture rewards this sort of sociopathy.
              • greywarshark …

                1 November 2014 at 7:29 am

                kjt
                The sweet smell of success – no matter how it was obtained. A fragrance such people want to roll in like dogs on something nauseating.

                and Hanswurst
                In theatre clowns can be portrayed as having a dark side under the smiley mask, sinister because it is hidden, lulling the innocent, waiting to pounce and prey. Is it that sort of clown you think of?
                • Hanswurst …

                  1 November 2014 at 8:28 am

                  I was actually thinking more of the stupid git sort of clown, but he probably is a rather smelly blend of both.
                • KJT …

                  1 November 2014 at 8:41 am

                  I wasn’t, but a good analogy.

                  It seems, our definition of success is how much money you have made, no matter how morally questionable the means.

                  Given the number of people who willingly join Key in the bullying of those forced on welfare and attacks on anyone who disagrees.

                  My definition of success is someone who, even in a small way, leaves this world having made life better for those around him/her.

                  Key is definitely not stupid. Selfish, lacking empathy, narrow minded and not very self aware, but good at what he does.
                  • Hanswurst …

                    1 November 2014 at 12:53 pm

                    It is possible that he’s a machiavellian genius who’s pulling the wool over the eyes of voters with his cultivated image of a yokel who happens to be a financial idiot savant. Occam’s razor, however, would suggest that it’s far more likely actually is a yokel who happens to have an aptitude for finance, that he is a complete schmuck who mashes up his ideas and nomenclature, all the while swirling around in a constant bath of muddled categories and confused philosophy. To do what he is doing to the country, he doesn’t need vision, he doesn’t need to have a concept or understanding of society, he doesn’t need to have a nuanced concept of ethics.

                    He fronts a party at the heart of whose political philosophy is the idea that prosperity stems from individals’ desire to accumulate wealth for themselves. It’s his job to be credulous when approached by powerful interests and to accept what spinmeisters tell him. It’s their job to make what they’re saying persuasive and memorable, and his to put a consistent, recognisable and disarming face – a ‘brand’, if you like – to what they say. There is no particular reason why he should be smart, subtle or strategically savvy. It is entirely possible for him to be both effective and a stupid git. To all appearances, that is exactly what he is.
                    • KJT …

                      1 November 2014 at 2:11 pm

                      A “useful idiot” with Charisma, who was bought in when Brash turned out to be unelectable?

                      Or a self interested US puppet ruler?

                      Or a manipulatable ignorant “brand front” like Hoskings or Henry?

                      Or, an amoral thief who is happy to steal a country off the inhabitants?

                      ???
          • Hanswurst 12.2.1.1.2

            31 October 2014 at 9:41 pm

            I think he’s more like Saruman.

            I think he’s more like Bozo the Clown.
13. SPC 13

    1 November 2014 at 12:47 am

    Clearly it’s a tip from Cameron Slater, and Key is sound enough to realise this is an unreliable source.
14. Jrobin 14

    1 November 2014 at 3:23 am

    Jock Anderson wrote one line on Judith Collins, regarding Feeley, and was pressured by the Enquiry, or is that the Inquisition, to reply rapidly with details of his information and sources under threat of legal prosecution if he didn’t. RNZ 31st on Mora’s Panel. hmm ….. isn’t there some legal parallel here to people who publish information on identity of interest to the police investigation into insect hacking And how strange and coincidental that Hager was/is writing his next book on white collar crime. Oh yes the same topic that our drink driving Mincer of policeindifference/unemployment/tax evasion, is so keen to keep out of the public view. This same minister who defines better Public Services as better street lighting during the Election Campaign.
    The Ministry of Truth just swung hard right and governing for everyone is starting to look like blanket surveillance for the prols while the “inquisitors” play golf and sip champagne. Soon all fertile women will be wearing red gowns and wimples and there will be a Wall in every town to watch the inquisitive punished for entertainment, while the children of policemen roam freely in wanton acts of violence. Europe’s scary clowns appear to have touched down in Godzone.
15. newlander 15

    1 November 2014 at 2:19 pm

    answer to question is no.

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