Why is the weather so hot?
Newshub investigated. The closest to the truth came in this response from MetService meteorologist Lisa Murray.
“”We had 5-6degC higher than normal in some areas of the Tasman Sea. In our coastal waters it was 3-4degC for some areas as well.
“It’s going to have a big impact on life within the sea, and also on weather events. One of the ingredients for these really intense lows is these warmer sea temperatures.”
Oh I’m sure it was all done according to the letter of the law, but the influence of agribusiness over NIWA was always going to clash with its scientific and public duties.
If there’s any hint of dodginess the ERA usually sides with the employee, knowing Jim I think he’d had more than enough of the overly officious cak one has to deal with from above in such organisations anyway.
His public statements at the time indicate that the problem increased during his last few years at NIWA. Perhaps you think there’s no connection between the National Party’s hostility towards facts and this phenomenon.
At that time Key and his cronies were ramping up dairy intensification.
Something inconvenient like climate change couldn’t get in the way of those methane belching cows.
You don’t really believe that there is anything sensible in that diatribe do you?
The title would be far more accurate if it was labelled “The great big list of Blip’s lies about John Key”.
I had a look at these claims of Blips on a number of occasions. His problem is that he claims that Key said things that he didn’t actually say.
He then claims that his misinterpretation of Key’s words is somehow the real thing.
But no amount of evidence would persuade a perverse individual like yourself. Sad really.
We’re still waiting to discover whether you lied deliberately about SCF and the extended guarantee the other day.
There are plenty of open-and-shut cases on BLiP’s list. Tranzrail, Brethren, Standard & Poors, troops to Iraq, Whitechapel – itself a corrupt device, Pike River, drinking age, etc etc.
I am sorry that I have illustrated that your ridiculous beliefs about the SCF affair have not a skerrick of truth to them.
Can I suggest you give up on the topic and go back to something that will no doubt give you orgastic pleasure.
You remember that John Key was of Jewish descent. He was actualy sent to New Zealand as part of a vast Jewish plot to take over the world.
Have a look here and you will see a description of that affair. https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007058
I already linked to Treasury’s information on their application for entry into the extended guarantee scheme in 2010. Your assertion that they “couldn’t be dropped” from it makes no sense, because they hadn’t been accepted into it (the extended scheme) at that time.
Still, your admission that the National Party should have exercised more oversight concedes the point. Thanks.
You really are determined to come across as rather thick, aren’t you?
I’ll break into little steps.
1. SCF were included in the guaranteed company list in 2008.
2. That guarantee scheme was going to be replaced.
3. The company, SCF, was on the verge of collapse in 2010.
4. If they were not going to be in the replacement scheme most of their funds would have immediately been withdrawn.
5. They couldn’t possibly repay their debts.
6. The original guarantee would have been called on.
7. The Government, foolishly perhaps, hoped that the company could still be salvaged.
8. The were included in the new scheme in the hope that the salvage could succeed.
9. It didn’t.
There, is that now clear to you? They couldn’t have had their Government guarantee, under one scheme or another, withdrawn without immediately inducing a collapse.
@dv
There is one thing you still don’t seem to understand.
Either that or you do understand it but aren’t willing to recognise the truth.
The National led Government did not pay out 1.6 billion to SCF as you have repeatedly been claiming.
The Government paid out nothing to SCF.
I’ll repeat it so that it might penetrate.
The Government paid out NOTHING to SCF.
Nothing, zero, zilch.
Actually I think Blip was probably overly generous – Key’s was unquestionably the worst and most corrupt government ever to blight New Zealand.
You seem to lack the perspective to appreciate that lying and stealing public assets are not a public service – no doubt because you were in some sense part of the blight.
Muldoon had a number of less than complimentary actions during his time in government amongst them
Abolishing Labour’s superannuation scheme without new legislation. In the case it was found that revoking a law in such a manner without consent of Parliament was illegal under the Bill of Rights, The Moyle Affair, Appointing Sir Keith Holyoake as Governor-General upon Sir Denis Blundell’s term ending,the constitutional crisis after the 1984 election and his ‘pissheadedness’, the Keith Allen affair etc etc…
Also NZ is not a tax haven and your continued panty bunching over National’s fundraising is quite dull. In twenty year’s time historians will see the Nat government of 2008-16 as very much a continuation of the Labour government’s actions and policies of 1999-2008. Whether they view the government as a good and the country well run will have more to do with the state of the world and that time.
New Zealand is not looked upon as being a traditional offshore financial center, nor is it known as a “tax haven,” yet the country provides all of the advantages of an established offshore jurisdiction.
If you can’t see anything problematic in Cabinet Club I shouldn’t be at all surprised.
Perhaps you think the use of NZ as a repository for criminal proceeds is a good thing. The parties involved felt sufficiently guilty about it to murder a journalist who uncovered part of what was going on.
I don’t imagine that Hubbard considered the Key government in a positive light, given that it stripped him of the wealth he built up over a lifetime without even bothering to employ legal processes.
The employees of Solid Energy, too, have reason to curse the name of that fuckwit Bill English, the ‘responsible minister’ who allowed it to be run into the ground.
Muldoon was rightwing, but neither a crook nor a traitor. The Key government abounded in both – and its leader was the worst of all.
Tragi-comedy, and yes Key and Nat ministers made an artform of short and long term memory loss – accompanied by misleading and ambiguous statements and dirty tricks . . ..
Yes there are quite a few New Zealanders whose own private assets increased as a result of the Key government
I would predict that some of the most fervent defenders of neoliberalism onnthis site have benefited from either the government stealing our assets or allowing the housing market to run out of control.
Their love of the free market is just a reflection of the greed and selfishness.
Very well put.
The middle class were happy to buy into neo-liberalism in the 1980s, not realising that once the working class had been devoured, the plutocrats would be coming for them.
OAB
…chanting AGAINST Xmas. They are bright enough to know where their interests lie. And the fact that Christmas is cherished by other NZs makes no bones with them. Any bones that fall, will not be turkey ones if they can help it.
Ed – Are you one person with two different visual symbols (I never know what to call these) or two people with the same name? I’m guessing the former, but the visual thing is confusing. Is there a way to fix it?
The Free Market has never really been that. Through the actions of the Key lead government, for instance, they weighted the employment market heavily in favor of employers. They put in employment legislation into the market to help keep wage increases artificially low.
While business had record profits they begrudgingly increased wages and some even tried some tricks to get rid of union workers to replace them with non-unionised labor at a lower price. Then there was the way the contracting fo services like transportation etc. were set up by the Key Government to allow wages and conditions of those employees helping provide the public services could be lowered by changing them from employees of the councils to employees of subcontractors.
Okay, so why don’t you do us all a favour, since we’re such witless and easily led sheep, and write up a list of Blip’s lies about the lies Key told. Go on. It’ll give you something to do that doesn’t involve making snarky remarks about anyone who says something disparaging about Saint John of Key.
I’ve done it before for representative examples of Blips claims..
Why don’t you have a look on this blog and you’ll find several examples.
I can only assume you are to lazy to do it or you just go “nah, nah, nah” when someone demonstrates that you are too foolish to read the comments carefully.
All good politicians do it. They say things that sound very open but are very carefully hedged so that they can back out of them if they want to.
Look at Grant Robertson on TV3 recently. He was asked about the pay of the New Zealand Women’s Rugby team. He said something that sounded as if he thought they should be paid the same as the All Blacks. Thrilling if you think there is a huge Gender pay gap.
People took him to say something like. “I am looking forward to talking to the Rugby Union about pay equality”.
Wonderful for women, right? What he said was “pay equity” which would allow him in the future to turn into anything at all.
Look at Winston in 2005. He said that he wouldn’t accept “the baubles of office”. People took it to mean he wasn’t demanding a Ministerial role and all the perks that go with it. What happened of course that he became Minister of Foreign Affairs and toured the world in style. When questioned he said that the Ministerial position he took wasn’t a bauble, which is a thing of little worth.
Key was just very good at it and Blip was one of the many KDS sufferers who chose to pretend things Key said didn’t mean exactly what they said.
I don’t support any political party, and have voted across the political spectrum over the years. But the left’s obsession with John Key was much the same as the right’s obsession with Helen Clark. It was born out of confusion (perhaps envy?) about how someone they despise can be some popular, and about how such a person can be so astonishingly successful.
The greatest fraud in the BIMS reports that highlight the horror of National’s 9 years in power is that the NZ mainstream media unquestioningly allowed these scumbags to get away with it for a decade!
Where the hell was the NZ media for the last 9 years when the conclusions of the BIM reports were so obvious to everyone else?
Let’s call the last 9 years of National’s rule what it really was – class-austerity. A draconian policy that destroyed the most vulnerable but because media are middle class they never saw it and allowed them to get away with it.
Of course they disliked him.
He defeated their Joan of Arc, the sainted Helen.
That could never be forgiven.
There was, of course no difference between Clark Derangement Syndrome and Key Derangement Syndrome.
Both were functions of total incomprehension that someone the sufferers couldn’t stand was so incredibly popular and successful.
The CDS sufferers recovered. Even Hooton got over it. Sooner or later the KDS group will also recover and wonder how they could have been so silly.
As far as taking Bradbury’s opinion on anything as being sensible and meaningful you would have to be crazy.
He is the only person I have ever heard of who was more than 11 without having got over the idea that a nickname of “Bomber” was not really something to be disposed of along with your teddy bear.
There is no comparison because all the Right could come up with was silly accusations about a painting that Clark signed for charity, and the speeding motorcade incident.
What else? so-called “Nanny state” stuff like lightbulbs, showerheads, anti-smacking legislation.
The National Party Herald(tm) helped with their “attack on democracy” campaign against the Electoral Funding Act. (but they forgot to mention Cabinet Club or the Nats dodgy backers like China, SkyCity, Exclusive Brethren).
Hollow Men and Dirty Politics exposed their lies, and no politician has the guts to try and sue Nicky Hager because they know they will lose.
“Both were functions of total incomprehension that someone the sufferers couldn’t stand was so incredibly popular and successful.
The CDS sufferers recovered. Even Hooton got over it. Sooner or later the KDS group will also recover and wonder how they could have been so silly.”
To be fair, Key’s popularity was incredible, and his level of popularity outlasted even Clark. That must have really lurked the left even more.
“As far as taking Bradbury’s opinion on anything as being sensible and meaningful you would have to be crazy.”
Bradbury has a sorry reputation for getting things wrong. There are many excellent left wing bloggers; he isn’t one of them.
Reminds me of a sort of joke I heard.
A confused signwriter’s big mistake.
Instead of John Key, Used Car dealer
he put –
Car Key, Used John Dealer.
We misread the signs when we voted him in!
I think the situation is that it is many-sided and hard to treat. It is difficult with some ailments, you carry them within you and by the time they break out noticeably, you’re very poorly indeed.
He was sacked for publicising ‘climate change’ when the powers that were did not want it publicised and tried to silence him. But those who, like James, do not want to see will ask for ‘evidence’. History will judge James poorly, I think.
I bet you can read between the lines when it suits you. But here you prefer prevarication based on technicality. Of course NIWA would find weasel-words to obscure the issue, and it suits you to bleat about it.
Another interesting point is in this excerpt from the Listener article.
“More alarming still, perhaps, is Joy’s suggestion that scientists have become afraid of speaking out, for fear of losing funding: “He says people are scared to voice concerns for fear of political backlash, or the ‘Jim Salinger effect’, in which a top NIWA scientist lost his job in 2009 after speaking to the media.”
The Salinger sacking clearly had an impact.
Here are video links to the ghastly Key’s shaming by Steve Sackur.
Sadly few New Zealand journalists had the courage to question this dodgy character.
Anyone who ‘idolises John Key; is either living off the ‘ill gotten gains’ his policies of sell/carpetbag/extort from the taxpayers sold/lost assets is a sick puppy.
You and our side have some ‘conscience and wish to see them gone to another planet like ‘planet key’.
Salinger was fired for ignoring company policy and talking to the media without permission on several occasions.
ZOMG, a knowledgeable person spoke to the MSM about what they know. HOW DARE HE.
See, part of the problem is that our scientists and public servants now have to get permission first. They didn’t have to previously and the government was effectively more open because of it.
We actually need these people talking openly so that we can have an open and honest society rather than one hidden behind the lies of the politicians.
And according to that article he wasn’t even warned about it which means that the employer broke the law.
This is the way that a government operating with a profit motive, not a service motive or even an efficient and effective motive on a not-for-profit basis, treats erstwhile civil servants. Most uncivilly!
Dr Salinger, 62, says he was summarily dismissed from the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (Niwa) at 4pm on Thursday, and given three and a half hours to clear out his Auckland office.
He told the Weekend Herald he received no formal written warnings leading to his dismissal, which followed a 27-year career as a Government scientist, and no criticism of his work.
See, part of the problem is that our scientists and public servants now have to get permission first. They didn’t have to previously and the government was effectively more open because of it.
I did some work for DOC 25 years ago, part of the employment contract was that I wasn’t allowed to say or do anything that could negatively impact the government of the day and if I did, immediate termination of employment.
My job was pretty low level so I guess that condition applied to every individual who worked for the government.
Sure, no-one wants wooden sweaty cheerleaders expressing their ignorance. Dr. Salinger doesn’t fall into that category. In fact, informing people within his area of expertise is his duty.
NZAS strongly supports the right of scientists to speak out freely in their area of scientific expertise. Any underlying institutional problem with this issue should be addressed before serious damage occurs…
Working in the private sector is probably his best option then, he’s then free to say whatever he wan about the governments( as long as it doesn’t negatively impact on his employer)
We can’t have special people, rules have to apply to everyone.
So, when thinking of the OIA, I had thought to start in happier times.
The difference between when I started 25 years ago and now is astounding when it comes to dealing with the public service. If I was writing a story which in any way touched on the public’s interaction with government, I would pick up the phone and ring an official. It really was that easy.
Receptionists would direct you to areas in departments, and staff there would know who would be best placed to fill the gaps in my knowledge. That’s what we in the media need – knowledge. We don’t need quotes, although they inevitably come with the information. We need information, unvarnished, unspun and in a form in which we can understand what it actually means.
Which is how it should be. None of this carefully crafted BS that we get now that seems designed to protect the politicians and their policies.
But the flipside of that is when the media look for quick confirmation of what turns out to be – or should obviously be – made up bullshit. A careless confirmation by someone answering off the top of their head, possibly sarcastically, becomes “confirmed by the department”.
The classic example being the (Asia Air?) flight that had a hard landing in the US west coast and got evacuated – injuries and a couple of deaths – the local station had been informed by some wag late one night that the crew names were fit for a ChCh restaurant menu. The station called the NTSB in washington, and an intern apparently confirmed that the crew names were “Sum Ting Wong, “Wi Too Lo”, “Ho Lee Fuk”, and “Bang Ding Ow”. I shit you not, the station went live with the “breaking news” because some intern said an obvious wind up was true.
Thanks for reminding us about this. I was pleasantly surprised that a NZer who was a lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (which was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007) chose to voice his concerns in the media. All the more courageous given that he has suffered from depression.
“NZer who was a lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (which was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007)”.
Gosh, that sounds terribly impressive doesn’t it?
Does that mean that he is Jim Salinger, Nobel Prize Winner?
Actually my own record is vastly more impressive. I regularly donate to the Red Cross. Does that make me a 3 time Nobel Prize winner. After all MY organisation won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1917, 1944 and 1963.
Were you carefully selected by the Red Cross from a field of eminent worthies, based on your proven expertise, experience and leadership in the field of charitable donations? No? I thought not.
Well no I wasn’t, but neither was Salinger. He certainly doesn’t seem to have been “carefully selected from a field of eminent worthies”, as you seem to think.
He was one of about twenty editors of one chapter of one report, as far as I can discover. It was solely about Australia and New Zealand and the majority of the editors were Australian.
He wasn’t even the senior of the New Zealand editors He was just one of the lower level group. The leading New Zealander representative in the group was a retired Geography Professor named Fitzharris.
Congratulations to Bryce from the Rock radio for the new baby I said that the Lady’s contributions to our society is a lot greater than they are given credit for Congratulations to your lady to M8 it a lot of work raising children. Congratulations to Jens new marriage may you 2 be happy forever. It was awesome to hear the rumble crew back on air. Its awesome to hear that Joseph has got the fight all signed up and Ka pai I want to put this up before you people came back on air just to busy. Ka kite ano
Joseph will lose and then if he’s got good advisors he’ll win by quitting boxing with a very tidy sum to support him and his family through the rest of his life.
Imagine if Trump knew anything about NZ (which he doesn’t) then he would know we have a dark skinned indigenous race called “Maori” who represent a sizable proportion of our population. So much so, around half of the so-called white “Pakeha” population also have ‘Maori” blood streaming through their veins.
I guess we qualify as one of his “shithole” countries.
You argued above that Trump was talking about countries not the people that live in them. I’m asking you if someone called NZ a shithole, would you think that wasn’t about the people as well?
Trump is obviously a racist. There is probably nothing he can say at this point about non-white people that is outside of that context.
I have occasionally thought NZ was a bit of a shithole – because in my experience people like James (actually worse, our James is pretty mild really) are in the majority.
By the way James, ‘shithole’ is a metaphorical term, and calling it a fact makes you look as silly as Trump was to use the term – which he now denies doing, but who would believe him?
Though no doubt some US policies or corporates have contributed to Haiti’s problems, geographical issues and how they were managed were relevant, as were the characteristics of the ruling elites.
Does anyone, for even the briefest of moments, believe that previous US admins and leaders of western governments and institutions have held these places (and the people that live there) in less contempt than that expressed by Trump?
Because if you do, I’d argue that you really need to pick up a history book and throw away all those “ready to hand” rosy glasses that are probably strategically dotted around the show.
Trump is an ignorant racist. I don’t think anyone would seriously argue with that. But what he did was merely give expression to an attitude that is more or less ubiquitous within echelons of power and that can be traced back to at least the 1830s and Britain’s actions against Egypt… the aftermath of Haiti’s independence in 1804…the Atlantic slave trade from the 1400s onwards.
Anyone care to comment on “super-predators” or the size of the African American prison population today, or anything about colonisation or the economic and political subjugation of post colonial entities and the accompanying unprecedented transfer of wealth from “South” to “North” that’s still continuing today?
And does anyone think that the very people in positions of influence and power who are front-footing and encouraging this hue and cry over Trumps statement are somehow divorced from the deeply ingrained institutional racism that Trump guilelessly, by dint of giving voice to his own prejudice, shone a light on?
Bill, there’s been plenty of comment from people on this site about things like the effects of colonialism on indigenous populations, racial profiling by police, inequities in arrests, prosecutions, guilty verdicts and sentences, trade disparities and exploitation of the “developing” world by the “developed”, America’s culpability in trying to shape the world around their perceived self interest… It’s not an either/or situation. Recognising and deploring Trump’s casual racism (which, let’s remember, does actually impact his decision making and hence other people’s lives) doesn’t stop people being able to think about, comment about and work against other kinds of racism or exploitation.
If you don’t want to join in when people condemn the latest Trump fuck-up, then don’t. But dumping on people who do doesn’t achieve a lot, does it?
Oh dear. Tell me red-blooded. When you were a kid and you got one of those ‘dot to dot’ books, did you manage, after you’d put the tip of the pencil to the paper, to draw it across the paper so that dots got joined up? Or did you just sit there all day feverishly focused on the dot beneath your pencil tip…perhaps lift the pencil and set it down on the next dot?
I ask, because you’ve just more or less stated an inability to chew gum and walk at the same time – ie, it’s beyond you to contemplate Trump’s bullshit in a wider, revealing context.
And by the way – since you made the accusation, just where in the name of fuck in the comment you’ve responded to, is it that I’m dumping on people who have joined with others in condemn[ing] the latest Trump fuck-up?
Seems to me you’ve just provided an excellent variant of an observation made by Hanswurst –
I’ve noticed that it’s a particularly common trait in liberals to equate a failure to prioritise condemning whatever is most important to them with supporting or defending that particular thing.
Now sure. You’re not suggesting I’m supportive of Trump, merely that I ought to shut the fuck up if I’m not prepared to read from the script everyone’s apparently signed up to.
Bill, it’s possible to disagree with someone and rebut a comment without being abusive. Maybe you missed the memo.
And you spent a lot of time and venom yesterday dumping on people who were condemning the latest Trump fuck-up. I’d argue that you took a pretty aggressive tone with Stuart Monroe, above, too.
Nice of you to notice that I’m not accusing you of condoning Trump. In light of that, it’s hard to see the relevance of your quote from Hanswurst, though…
You can say whatever you like about Trump. Nowhere above did I suggest you shouldn’t. Just maybe be a bit less aggressive when responding to others.
Well. Seeing as how I didn’t submit a comment in response to Stuart Munro…
Anyway. It seems your not going to offer any comment on the three broad questions posed in the original comment above, nor comment on the observations made in that comment either.
R-B, like you I interpreted Bill’s summary “My enemy’s enemy can fuck off too.” as asserting that enemies of Trump should “fuck off” too, i.e. dumping on those that condemn Trump. But maybe that’s too narrow an interpretation, and Bill is saying that, when it comes to Trump, everyone should F-off.
I’m finding all the comments here (both negative and, incomprehensibly, positive) on Trump’s ‘fuck-ups’ informative. The unprecedented public circus that informs these comments will continue, and so will the comments.
I’d have thought it was pretty obvious that was aimed at liberal elites given that I was very specific in the comment (and have been in most others too) about who I consider the hypocrites to be.
Seems clarity might have nothing to do with anything afterall and reactions could just be down to straight up bias. Oh well.
Do I have to accentuate the qualifiers in that there last bit btw?
Thanks Bill, that might help, but I’m probably too disconnected from some PoVs to understand even the apparently simplest of statements. I will endeavour to keep these misinterpretations to myself in future.
Elements within the Democratic party have teamed up with neo-cons to push against Trump and get back to a situation where the US is aggressively belligerent in its foreign policy.
Now (assuming you’ve read the above link), everyone who’s following the lead offered by the unholy alliance of neo-cons/Democrats on Trump, is not only undermining and marginalising those within the US who are seeking to build something for meaningful change, but they’re also unwittingly helping some very (how to say politely?) unsavoury characters and elements gain or regain their position of primacy within US politics.
Very helpful – sincere thanks for taking the time to put it together. So, neocons (still) loathe Trump (even though he has been largely bought into line on neocon orthodoxy), but presumably aren’t completely unhappy with some of his policies/promises (repeal ‘Obamacare’), and his support for tax cuts.
Paints a depressing picture of the stranglehold the neocons have on political representation in the US (and presumably even here in NZ).
Assuming the word “neocon” is a catch-all phrase with no meaning whatsoever: so far as I can tell, the gross melange of kick-backs, tax-breaks, rorts and special interests encapsulated in US legislation is about as far from “small government” as you can get.
Describing the denizens of the US government as “neo-cons” stretches the meaning to breaking point.
Neo-con was the name given the “hawks” (that tendency) that left the Democratic Party in the 70s, aligned with the GOP and wound up in the political wilderness after Bush and Obama…but have now (it seems) gained favour and influence within the Democtaric Party.
It’s all in the Greenwald piece that is very much worth the read.
“Does anyone, for even the briefest of moments, believe that previous US admins and leaders of western governments and institutions have held these places (and the people that live there) in less contempt than that expressed by Trump?”
Yes, I do. I think that different people at different times hold differing levels of culpability. Some people try and do something good, some are utterly venal, lots of variation.
Just because other administrations are also varying levels of evil doesn’t make them all the same. Making out there is no difference is basically minimising Trump’s actions and culpability.
Did I say there was no difference or did I ask if any had held lesser contempt?
I can think of some who were more racist and whose pronouncements were at least as contemptible. And while at a push I could probably conjure up a piece of rhetoric or two, I can’t bring up an example of any western leader, government or administration that pursued or enacted foreign policies that ran counter to the inherent racism that lies beneath the economic exploitation driving liberal capitalism.
You asked if anyone believed that any other admin or govt held Haiti etc in less contempt, implication being that they hold Haiti in at least the same contempt as Trump. You’re second paragraph appears to support that.
Yup. And I’ve explained or expanded on why I asked in 4.3.2.1
I can’t think of any, who in your words, “tr[ied] to do something good” – ie, pushed back against institutional racism in foreign relations or set to compensating nations of ‘the Global South” in any way for the Norths racist colonialism and post colonial, similarly racist, imposed economic order.
Maybe I’m either over-looking or not aware of some admin, government, leader or policy.
The Kyoto Protocol is dead, no? And I’d punt that the Global South had to fight for some modicum of equity. You reckon it was an expression of altruism on the part of richer parts of the world?
Fuck knows, they’ve had to fight like bastards to have any sense of equity included in subsequent climate agreements and accords. And rhetoric, as we know, is cheap.
Decolonisation was a somewhat cynical process of replacing direct (and expensive) occupation and rule with a more remote economic domination…and even that economic “lock down” generally wasn’t just given (if “given” is in any way the right expression).
And anyone who left or attempted to leave the “economic fold” was hammered – removal of democratic government and imposition of western friendly dictatorships etc.
UDoHR maybe nice words and maybe an expression of assumed western superiority.
And how many of the above were freely entered into by “the west” with the interests of “the south” uppermost in mind?
On first blush and just a little passing thought, I’d tend towards answering “no” to your question.
If you think those things you listed are example of western leaders, governments or institutions genuinely attempting good with regards the Global South, then some level of argument or reasoned opinion is due…not some vacuous bullshit about what ‘you reckons’ of what I think.
No OAB. You obviously need to either go away and brush up on basic levels of reading comprehension or else fuck off and have a wee think about lying.
My comments here have revolved around previous US admins and leaders of western governments and institutions (4.3) any western leader, government or administration (4.3.2.1) and admin, government, leader or policy.(4.3.2.1.1.1)
Up. your. fcking. game.
I don’t mind if you disagree (however vehemently) with what I say, argue or reason. But that shit – of lying and replacing others’ arguments with spurious nonsense you yourself have just made up is going to end in a dogshit on shoe situation.
Ok then, I’ll rephrase for clarity and comprehension.
Your premise is that nobody in the group defined as
previous US admins and leaders of western governments and institutions, any western leader, government or administration, and admin, government, leader or policy tried to do anything good.
I’m sorry for any offence you may be feeling if that’s not quite right either.
I’m satisfied that you’re wrong, and I don’t feel any need or obligation to engage with you any further on the matter.
My satisfaction isn’t based on belief: that’s just some spurious nonsense you made up, which is funny, because you just got all offended when you thought I was doing the same, and compared me to a piece of dogshit on your shoe.
Massey University professor of freshwater ecology Russell Death discusses the health of our waterways.
Luckily for him John Key and Nick Smith are no longer in charge – or he might be looking for another job (as Salinger found out).
Here are some of his frank responses to some questions about the state of our rivers and lakes.
The greed of industrial farming and a slack neoliberal regime has destroyed our environment. People should be put on trial for this – not knighted.
Herald question.
“What are the principal drivers of freshwater degradation? What pollutants, from which sources, are doing the most damage?”
In New Zealand, intensified agriculture is driving the decline in freshwater.
This agriculture increases in-stream nutrients – nitrogen and phosphorus – and deposited sediment.
Herald question.
“The latest stocktake by the Ministry for the Environment and Statistics New Zealand found that, of the 39 native fish species covered by the report, 72 per cent were either threatened with, or at risk of, extinction. How grim is the outlook for our freshwater species?”
As of right now I think the future for river ecology and Kiwis’ ability to swim and enjoy our water – just look in the news – is very grim.
But as with Steve Austin and The Six Million Dollar Man, we can rebuild, restore and save them.
We just need to do the right thing for the right stream.
Fence the correct riparian width for the farm type you have or fix the urban sewage infrastructure.
It’s not really rocket science. We just need to do it.
And perhaps if the Government and the agricultural industry was showing more leadership, we would.
Herald question.
“We’ve now seen New Zealand’s freshwater problems reported on by major outlets like The Guardian, The New York Times, The Economist and Al Jazeera. Do you feel our clean, green image is sustainable if we can’t tackle the issue?”
The image is almost gone, I think.
And like virginity, once it is gone, it is gone.
We have lots of foreign students who come through the university and they are all telling me the pristine view of “Hobbiton New Zealand” is rapidly disappearing.
I always conclude my public talks by saying we can only fool people for so long.
It seems the international press has already figured it out.
… and maybe the proof is on a site called Kiwiblog. Everyday.
Whether such a clump of shithead people with shitty attitudes is representative of the whole country and is enough to term the country as a shithole I don’t know, but there they are.
Herald question.
How has this (freshwater degradation) changed over the past few decades, and why? Where are the worst parts of the country for degradation?
Russell Death
Many aspects of ecological health and water quality have declined precipitously in the last few decades because of the massive conversion of sheep and beef farms to dairy, and the further intensification of dairy farms.
In terms of severity the worst areas are still in urban and industrial areas.
But they are proportionally a very small length of stream affected.
Whereas the intensified dairy areas of Waikato, Manawatu, Taranaki, Canterbury and Southland have the greatest length of stream where ecological health is degraded.
2017 rewind: Why fiscal responsibility is the Bog of Eternal Stench
The fourth-most-read post on Boots Theory last year questioned a pretty strongly-rooted tenet of modern Labour Party faith. People have said to me since the election result, “see, it worked!” Yet National still gained 44.4% of the vote, and Labour’s boost came directly from Jacinda Ardern’s amazing personal appeal. And the question now becomes: is winning one election worth it if we don’t actually change the status quo?
The Herald has called it ‘weird weather.’
The Salinger effect means even more informed repeaters won’t call it by its proper name – c****** c*****.
35C heat for south as lightning, humidity hits north.
The solar blow torch is firmly directed on the south of the country with temperatures expected to soar to a scorching 35C.
In the north sweltering humidity, that saw temperatures barely fall under 20C overnight, is turning to yet another day of violent thunderstorms for central regions.
Already the mercury has skyrocketed to 31C at Dunedin Airport by lunchtime with many other places in mid to high 20s.
“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern pours cold water on National’s highway projects.
“We’d be much better off investing in some of those neglected regional roads, and in urban areas some alternatives to roading as well,” Ardern said.
“If you ask a local mayor, they will say, ‘Can you please help us with our regional roads, particularly some of the safety issues we have?’ ”
Kiwi sausage company Bangerritos has come under fire over an Instagram post featuring a pig in happier times, which followers deemed “disgusting”.
However, the company has denied the image is in poor taste – and says people should know more about where their meat comes from.
I agree with the company. People should know more about where their meat comes from.
This is where people’s meat comes from. New Zealand Pork Industry Expose, Part 1
The company also said
Only a tiny fraction of pork sausages in NZ are free-range.
I agree with the company. Only a tiny fraction of pork sausages in NZ are free-range.
More and more eating meat is not seen as distributing surplus to your kids and furthering the winners genetic lines. More and more eating meat is seen as a trophy wall. While one meaning is easy to argue morally against the later is not.
For most people they are living in tight economic circumstances and will eat what’s available to them on the open markets because there opinions are not reflected in government policy. This is how the 1/4 acre dream came about because planners wanted kiwis to be able to afford enough land so they could grow there own crops during a Great Depression that they where trying to grow away from. But this growth brings up the problem of losing institutional knowledge as new industries retrain subsistence farmers into factory workers. So they forget how to grow food, and 50 years on a great many kiwis have forgotten what it’s like to struggle because we’ve experienced 3% economic growth, give or take, year on year, and that’s dangerous because things can go terribly wrong terribly fast. And in our finest of hubris a great many kiwis believe that 3% can be maintained year on year indefinitely. As if a sudden event like a missile destroyer off the coast has been eliminated from the human condition, or rapid deforestation due to hyper-commercialisation has been eliminated.
“I disagree completely with the company,
The right thing to do is not to eat pigs.”
No it isn’t. That’s you attempting to set the narrative according to your own agenda.
Ffs admin/moderators, do we have to have this shit foisted on us multiple times every day?
These single issue warriors are oxygen sucking the life out of daily mic.
Haven’t people been banned for carrying on campaigns of this type before?
Don’t agree with some of Ed’s comments [these days I limit my consumption of pork to the occasional delicious rasher of crispy bacon], but find many of his/her links interesting and/or informative.
The same topic multiple times every day is just too much.
It’s trolling and attention seeking, pure and simple, to get responses from those he knows will oblige.
There’s no way he’s changing people’s opinion, especially since he’s become an out and out under bridge dweller, so it’s a futile exercise, unless the object of the game is as above, in which case it’s working out great for him.
There’s gotta be a better way of raising points and topics than repeated daily blunt force trauma.
I hope someone who can, will take the spamming issue on board and edict accordingly.
Thing is, it’s a valid point. The other week someone was rounded on and criticised for posting what meat they were eating. This is the same thing.
Just like my gravy, it’s all about the consistency.
Idk what it is with this place. It’s the outrage that makes me curious. It’s about the PC Police trying to control language and censorship. Theres a reason for it. Because there only so many was to censor and the Stasi pretty much excelled at them all. Some people may think in there heads that that makes me a right wing ninja. But heh, if Yu don’t know the difference try googling it. Self educating is almost never a bad thing…
I can’t speak for others, but Ed’s comments and links here have (over time) changed my attitude to eating meat, and I am now genuinely trying to cut down with the end goal of one or at most two meat meals per week (that includes the bacon).
In this specific example, ‘the enemy’ refers to the merchants of doubt, deniers and fossil-fuel greedheads, although the thesis applies in any adversarial situation.
As for ‘the enemies of the people’, the Liberals can get in line behind Fascists, the centre-right, organised criminals and kleptocrats, insofar as these groups can be distinguished from one another.
Quite right. This idiot doesn’t seem to realise it’s not the difference of opinion that’s the problem, but the daily dose of more of the same old shit.
Your guess is dead wrong, James, at least on this occasion.
Which is surprising for someone with so much innate empathy. Did you ever consider training as a vet?
Weka, much like human animals, having a good life and being happy are not completely corelated. Animals are not machines; their behavioural responses are not completely predictable. esp. as they age.
“Weka, much like human animals, having a good life and being happy are not completely corelated. Animals are not machines; their behavioural responses are not completely predictable. esp. as they age.”
That’s self-evident and teaching your grandmother to suck eggs, but not sure what your point is exactly.
I’ll second what james said. If you can’t tell whether an animal is happy or not, whether it’s got a good life or not, then best not to have them.
I can tell the difference between my cat purring from pleasure and purring from stress. It’s not a feeling in my bones (although I’m sure intuition is part of it). It’s observation, interaction and sensitivity. Same with other animals I have been around.
Having said that, there are plenty of people who think animals are ok but the people are pretty clueless. I’ve seen people argue that fish aren’t distressed when hooked and pulled up onto a beach. That’s just daft. Not hard to see how that kind of justification can be applied to other animals being killed for food, but also pets.
And it is known animals know they are about to be slaughtered and get highly stressed.
Does James send his cows to a slaughter house? If so , that is very cruel.
Yep when I was life styling that was what we did too, and so much better. I have been reading about Carbon sequestration in soils recently and the importance of livestock in the process. The important thing to do is to ensure that grasses and all vegetation for that matter is allowed to develop and develop a good root system because it is there that the soil organisms develop and fix carbon. Grazing to severely and cutting back too much causes the plant to die back and then have to start all over again – and this actually releases carbon.
A good overview of the topic by the FAO is here: http://www.fao.org/soils-portal/soil-management/soil-carbon-sequestration/en/
and how improved grazing management increases carbon sequestration. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4490272/
Extensive cropping for grains actually depletes soil carbon.
I agree Ed, or at least, some animals get stressed depending on the situation. There is a difference between home kill and sending animals to the abattoir.
All things die at some point, the ethics for me are in how we do that to the extent we have a choice.
James’ animals wouldn’t have been born at all if he wasn’t intending to eat them.
So, by that reasoning, it’s OK to farm people for organs? And people bred to be slaves should be happy that they got a chance at life? After all, they wouldn’t have been born if we didn’t intend to use them…
The fact is, we don’t need to kill animals for food. Maybe our ancestors did, but we don’t. People who continue to eat animals are making a choice. Personally, I choose not to eat animals and not to contribute to suffering and killing (eg the slaughter of bobby claves) through eating animal products.
That choice was originally based solely on the issue of animal rights. Over the years, I’ve learned more about the environmental consequences of farming animals, and that’s reinforced my decision.
“So, by that reasoning, it’s OK to farm people for organs? And people bred to be slaves should be happy that they got a chance at life? After all, they wouldn’t have been born if we didn’t intend to use them…”
Only if you think slavery is ok, which I obviously don’t.
“The fact is, we don’t need to kill animals for food.”
Depends on whether you are arguing biology, ecology, or animal welfare. Very hard for humans to reproduce over time on a vegan diet (that’s why there are no vegan cultures). Once you get past the first few generations shit goes down hill (lots of people give up during the first generation).
One of course could argue that humans should give up their ability to reproduce so freely. I’d be happy to have that conversation.
I choose to eat animal products for health reasons (no, don’t at me about nutrition, I am very well informed and experienced), but my original shift from being a long term vegetarian with limited dairy to eating meat was because I was reading about Peak Oil and could see that eating a diet composed of so much imported food left me at risk should we have to transition fast to a post-PO state.
That led me to looking at ethical eating more broadly than the rights of individual animals, and to ecosystem rights and the rights of nature. Vegetarians who rely on big ag do just as much damage to the planet as those who eat meat. I choose as much as I can to eat local and ethical in terms of the whole environment, with attention paid to animal welfare.
The rabbit I eat that a friend shoots is exponentially more ethical environmentally than the vegan eating monsanto grown soy that’s been industrially processed and shipped across the globe. I get good protein and I help keep the rabbits in check that are decimating the environment and my friend gets a trade (good nutrition, environmental protection and local economy with very small carbon emissions). She’s a pretty good shot, so there is limited suffering for the rabbits (they don’t even know they’re about to die).
I also practice an inclusive philosophy, so I am good with people who are omnivores, vegetarian, vegan, whatever, so long as (a) they’re not politically fundamentalist with it, and (b) they don’t misrepresent evidence around climate change and the environment (Paul regularly does both).
Love the point about your Rabbit.
I suspect my locally reared, sourced, butchered and sold meat has less of a carbon footprint than imported soy, rice and mung beans.
Regardless of the daily propaganda, being green and an omnivore are not an anathema.
It’s one of my sore points that people of conscience are choosing veganism over eating local. It’s not what we eat, but how we eat that matters in environmental terms. So yep, your local meat does far better than imported soy, providing you are not eating shitloads, and the meat is being killed locally too. Unfortunately in NZ so much local meat is sourced from animals that have been transported and then the meat transported again. The solution too that is to have local slaughtering but that needs enough people wanting it and choosing veganism takes us further from local food not closer.
Also good is if the animals are raised as part of regenag farming, and again we need local people demanding that, not vegans ignoring that and letting farmers do what they have to to survive (i.e. industrial farming). Biggest thing we could do in NZ to help restore farmland and the flow on effects is help farmers develop alternative models of selling than what they generally are locked into now.
I do know – my animals are very well cared for – and there is little else that could be done to make them happier. Lots of grass, water, shade in all paddocks.
I run less units of stock than I could to ensure that they have room and food.
With the sheep – I used to just slit their throats, and that was OK, albeit messy.
We now do them the same as the cows, which we have always used homekill professionals – a quick shot to the head and its all over.
We leave the animals in their fields until about a week before “d-day” – them I move them to a smaller field that has lots of trees around it, basically allowing the animal to relax and be comfortable in its new surroundings. The small field has an open ‘kill run’ which after a week I move the animal into the kill run – which they are happy with as they have been in and out for the last week eating.
The kill run allows the homekill guy to just walk up behind the bushes etc, reach over and BANG! – all done.
As stress free as possible – and better than any animal will get in a meat works.
the lack of Adrenalin makes the meat taste so much better – there really is a difference in quality, which is why we do it.
“the lack of Adrenalin makes the meat taste so much better – there really is a difference in quality, which is why we do it.”
As I suspected , your concern is not the welfare of the animals, but rather your own personal enjoyment.
Is there anything you do where you put the needs and concerns of others above your own selfish desires?
“And it is known animals know they are about to be slaughtered and get highly stressed.”
“As stress free as possible”
“the lack of Adrenalin makes the meat taste so much better – there really is a difference in quality, which is why we do it.”
Is there anything you do where you put the needs and concerns of others above your own selfish desires?
If you really want to moralise about other people’s diets resulting in the deaths of animals, you should ensure that your own doesn’t involve that. The only way to do that is to stop eating. Good luck with it, I wish you well.
“I read them your post and they just lose the will to live.”
Your animals understand and respond intelligently to complex human language and still you cut their throats?
Monster!
Murderer!
Thank you.
Some days it’s hard to believe this is a progressive blogsite, given the number of closed minded individuals who are not open to new thinking.
Are you saying all progressives don’t eat meat, and they can’t be one if they do?
Or all progressives are closed minded if they reject your daily anti meat propaganda posts?
I don’t get it either Ed. I would have hoped more here would be more ready to consider changing from eating animals killed by industrialised farming. But it seems not.
Labour have been reasonably clear that they weren’t going to do much about rural land sales other than tighten up the OIO process a bit. However,
“OIO approval was given in November for the purchase in the latest round of decisions for overseas investment of sensitive New Zealand land.”
so Labour barely had its feet under the table at that point. That sale process would have been going on for months, not a lot Labour could do about that. I’ll be more interested in what happens over this coming year.
But geeze, I think you’d be tough company. There is little joy in anything you have to say. It’s got a ‘Boy who cried Wolf’ thing festering.
I fear you throw your curtains open every morning and see a wretched bankrupt landscape.
Yeah there are crappy bits but we all need a taste of joy to make traversing the crappy bits worthwhile. Purveyor of Doom is not good real estate to own. It’s a position lubricated by fear.
Bring a bit of Ed joy to your posts man. We all already know we’re all gonna die.
That’s just not truthful from you. I’m very much left wing, and proud of it. I even vote for anti tory government left parties in general elections and everything. lol.
I doubt I’ve ever really sided with right wing trolls based on policy and ideology, but of course it’s a statistical anomaly that once in a while the same conclusion can be reached from different ends of the spectrum.
Funny how you always resort to lies, slurs and other insults when you get angry.
I doubt you’d find any period in New Zealand’s history where the farming was totally based on production. Even primarily based on production. It’s always required some element of capital gain for the business model to stack up, some times a lot more than others.
Apologies Joseph my last post about the Gramercy Norton show I sort of made it about me but It all about you and your team getting to where you are and to winning. Kia kaha
We’re toast if it’s 3 degrees.
Will post in more detail tomorrow.
Herald.
“So how hopeful are you, actually, that the world will avert the worst possible effects of climate change? Where do you place your optimism on a scale of one to 10?”
Professor James Renwick
“I am hopeful we can avoid the real worst-case scenario but I am pessimistic about the 1.5C or even 2C limit.
My gut feeling is that we won’t stop the warming until we are committed to 2.5C or even 3C of temperature rise.
That would lock in loss of the West Antarctic ice sheet, plus most of Greenland and part of the east Antarctic and would commit the globe to 10m or more of sea level rise.
Plus of course a big rise in extreme high temperatures, droughts, floods and crop failures.
Because of the delay time built into the climate system, it’s my feeling that we won’t take decisive action until a lot of change is baked in, so we’ll have a great deal of adapting to do.
On a scale of one to 10 for optimism, I’m about a three.”
So what your solutions One Anonymous Bloke? Because as far as I can see, there are no longer any political solutions. The only option left is direct action.
Edit: Because you link is a classical example of ” standing to close the elephant”, and what factional liberalism in action looks like. Can’t see any solution in there.
And as I said, I don’t think there are any political solutions.
When someone (eg: me, just now) says “that being so”, it means that they agree with whatever came immediately prior, which in this case is your remark that the only option left is direct action.
Lots of direct action is already taking place, from Ed’s recent conversion to a plant-based diet, to NYC’s recent decision to divest from fossil fuels, and also include monkeywrenching and cycling instead of taking the car.
I still think the weather is just going to smash things until the problem is moot though.
Well, the NYC thing is a political action. Europe and China are moving ahead at the nation level, and many of the sane bits of the states are ignoring Trump.
Trouble is, historically political action on any crisis usually came to late to completely mitigate the effects of that crisis. So we’ll have decades of extreme weather events and sea level rise, if not centuries. It won’t be as bad as if no action were taken, but it won’t be without harm (we’re already seeing it, frankly, for at least the last ten years).
Nothing will save us, and globally it might get up to black death / khmer rouge proportions. But not much worse. Veganism or not.
“Direct action” by ordinary individuals won’t do shit now. Maybe 40 years ago.
The reason I don’t have a car has nothing at all to do with carbon footprints. It’s because there was a better, cheaper substitute for my needs. And I actually do think about my purchases beyond immediate gratification.
People indoctrinated into consumerism are not going to reduce their lifestyle voluntarily, and any government that tries to make them do it is going to lose votes on a massive scale. But the AGW mitigation requires both groups to act. So the problem becomes reconciling that conflict between lifestyle preservation for the complacent middle class and elimination of carbon use.
Which revolves around technologies for energy production, storage, and use. Sort that out and the V8 or even the bunker-fuel-powered container carrier will go the way of the horse and cart. The coal-fired power plant is already on its way out.
I don’t think individual direct action is very useful generally. Collective action like the anti-war and pro-refugee stuff that has been happening in Britain has been good. Becomes more real when more people are involved.
I agree any government which cuts into peoples consumerism is going to fall, and fall quickly.
That said, one thing they could do, is a substantial cut in taxes for individuals who have never owned a car.
Iceland is a fucking tiny nation, and the discussion was about AGW.
There are many things that governments can do, but just shouting out ideas without consideration of the competing interests that would ensure such a government lost votes is not going to achieve policy change.
Tax breaks for people who have never owned a car will piss off the car industry and anyone who ever owned a car. Remember the beat-up about lightbulbs? Imagine everyone who’d ever used an incandescant bulb being told they were paying extra even if they switch.
Tax levies according to fuel use, on the other hand, might be achievable. But the really achievable policy might be making emissions tests progressively more restrictive, phasing out any carbon compound emissions by the same time as the EU bans.
The only people you piss off are the fuel sellers and the car manufacturers who were too slow off the alternative fuel mark – and they’re bad enough political enemies to have.
Luxury cars make up 65% of automakers profits and super cars make 35% of profits so production car owners are pretty much getting a free ride.
So this meme that says the 1% own 50% of the wealth and 50% of the income, all it means is the rest have zero say in how there surplus is distributed. And that’s a consequence of marginalising unions. Workers just have no power any more. They’re a modern day Luddite.
“And you missed that merely changing to lightbulbs that would save people money caused a fucking nightmare of bullshit.”
You’re wasting your time. He’s a dreamer, and while there’s nothing inherently wrong with that, after all, most of us here spent 9 years dreaming of the day our votes changed the national government, this one’s a bit ‘épais comme deux planches courtes’.
The point was also made below that if cc is to be seriously and rapidly addressed, then having 40 green mps leading a government, for example, will effect more change than anarchic direct action, as the will of the people at the ballot box gives the mandate to act.
Yes, we can make personal decisions to use led bulbs, reduce consumption and waste, limit the use of fossil fuels, like a lot of us already do, and have for many years, but there’s no way, other than through mandated political policy, that 99% of voting kiwis will accept a rapid change in direction, therefore I conclude, the answer is to win hearts and minds to achieve cc goals before planning our adventures on fury road.
“And as I said, I don’t think there are any political solutions.”
Of course there are political solutions. If people voted green led governments instead of holding on to student dreams of changing the system, then the world would be a much better place.
Voting for a mp electorate candidate and completely ignoring the party vote, won’t do shit. If there were 40 green mps in our coalition, then maybe, yeah.
It’s hypocritical, and armchair easy, to spout the odds on climate change when you don’t take measures at elections to vote the right people in.
Try looking at the solution on offer, rather than your attempt to limit the debate again.
Do you even understand what socialism is? Because you seem confused on that, political economy? The role of outlying actors? Anything apart from this fantasy of 40 green MP’s?
Limiting the debate by expanding wider than your very short sighted, closed off ‘no political solutions’ rhetoric, and offering a common sense rebuttal that to get green policies which will seriously address CC expediently, you’ll need green led governments and the only way to get them is to vote accordingly.
So while you’re waiting for this anarchic direct action to provide you with a utopia to call your own, you’ll spend your time on the internet lecturing me about other ways of looking at the world. lol
Mate, you’re a blow hard with what appears to be sod all to blow hard about.
Keep dreaming and if us greens don’t manage to get it fixed, you’ll still have your mad max fantasy down the track.
Definitely a bit of both, probably in equal amounts lol
Anarchist library. You might as well just have posted a link to student Rik on the young ones.
Try and ignore me now, if you can, ’cause I’m pretty contemptuous of engaging further with a slogan repeating caricature and stereotype, but please promise to write a long post when your direct action gets you further than insults on the internet.
You couldn’t even jump on board the cross party change the government movement last year. Solidarity, yeah, nah. Selfish ‘look at meism’ in action. I’m not hopeful for your success, but I’ll wait. 😉
What is up with laughing at your own jokes, it’s a bit sad you know.
That said, do you hate women, is that why you won’t read Voltairine?
Or you don’t read people smarter than you?
Your shot about the young ones is rather 1980’s isn’t, and in poor taste seeing as the actor who played rick is dead. But then again, you like your other rwnj mates, have no moral compass.
Hates women, cleverphobic, rwnj and insults the memory of the dead. Anything else, Chips?
I voted green at the election, you didn’t. You lack of authority in questioning my credentials about cc or being left wing just adds to the laugh factor when reading your student times, burn it all down, grrr I’m dissected 101 philosophy.
Call me out when you vote against climate change avoiding tory governments, or got involved in the greens, or when you’ve changed that system of yours. When all 99% of labour, nat, green, nz1st neo liberal voters cast of the shackles of oppression and follow you to the land of milk and honey.
Until then, dream on, kid. 🙄
You may have voted green, but you act and think like a tory.
You have been repeated asked by me what else you do, apart from vote, and failed to respond with anything.
All you are is a one trick pony of abuse who gets all upset when people call them on their narrow world view. I’d say grow up, but I’m guessing with your last attempt at an insult, that would not help.
By the way, your analogies are at best dull, at worst like you 40% green vote, utter buffoonery.
The sandflys are that desperate that they us that they used that ass hole who abuse my wife for 9 years as bait. These idiots don’t know who they are playing with. I have all ready kicked his when I first found out he pulled a gun through I would run fuck no he put it away and tried to lie to me about the whole situation. In court he tried to say that it was my wife fault WTF he’s European and thats why it took 15 years before they took action against this parrsite because my wife Maori and he’s European like them. He had a family before my wife mothers one and he abuse those kids to his father hung himself because he got caught doing that to someone not sure who and You expect me to feel sorry for them. What about all the people in jail under bullshit charges mostly Maori. Ana to kai
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On Werewolf/Scoop, I usually do two long form political columns a week. From now on, there will be an extra column each week about music and movies. But first, some late-breaking political events:The rise in unemployment numbers for the March quarter was bigger than expected – and especially sharp ...
David Farrar writes – The Herald reports: TVNZ says it is dealing with about 50 formal complaints over its coverage of the latest 1News-Verian political poll, with some viewers – as well as the Prime Minister and a former senior Labour MP – critical of the tone of the 6pm report. ...
Muriel Newman writes – When Meridian Energy was seeking resource consents for a West Coast hydro dam proposal in 2010, local Maori “strenuously” objected, claiming their mana was inextricably linked to ‘their’ river and could be damaged. After receiving a financial payment from the company, however, the Ngai Tahu ...
Alwyn Poole writes – “An SEP,’ he said, ‘is something that we can’t see, or don’t see, or our brain doesn’t let us see, because we think that it’s somebody else’s problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it’s like a ...
Our trust in our political institutions is fast eroding, according to a Maxim Institute discussion paper, Shaky Foundations: Why our democracy needs trust. The paper – released today – raises concerns about declining trust in New Zealand’s political institutions and democratic processes, and the role that the overuse of Parliamentary urgency ...
This article was prepared for publication yesterday. More ministerial announcements have been posted on the government’s official website since it was written. We will report on these later today …. Buzz from the BeehiveThere we were, thinking the environment is in trouble, when along came Jones. Shane Jones. ...
New Zealand now has the fourth most depressed construction sector in the world behind China, Qatar and Hong Kong. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy at 8:46am on Thursday, May 2:The Lead: ...
Hi,I am just going to state something very obvious: American police are fucking crazy.That was a photo gracing the New York Times this morning, showing New York City police “entering Columbia University last night after receiving a request from the school.”Apparently in America, protesting the deaths of tens of thousands ...
Winston Peters’ much anticipated foreign policy speech last night was a work of two halves. Much of it was a standard “boilerplate” Foreign Ministry overview of the state of the world. There was some hardening up of rhetoric with talk of “benign” becoming “malign” and old truths giving way to ...
Graham Adams assesses the fallout of the Cass Review — The press release last Thursday from the UN Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls didn’t make the mainstream news in New Zealand but it really should have. The startling title of Reem Alsalem’s statement — “Implementation of ‘Cass ...
This open-for-business, under-new-management cliché-pockmarked government of Christopher Luxon is not the thing of beauty he imagines it to be. It is not the powerful expression of the will of the people that he asserts it to be. It is not a soaring eagle, it is a malodorous vulture. This newest poll should make ...
The latest labour market statistics, showing a rise in unemployment. There are now 134,000 unemployed - 14,000 more than when the National government took office. Which is I guess what happens when the Reserve Bank causes a recession in an effort to Keep Wages Low. The previous government saw a ...
Three opinion polls have been released in the last two days, all showing that the new government is failing to hold their popular support. The usual honeymoon experienced during the first year of a first term government is entirely absent. The political mood is still gloomy and discontented, mainly due ...
National's Finance Minister once met a poor person.A scornful interview with National's finance guru who knows next to nothing about economics or people.There might have been something a bit familiar if that was the headline I’d gone with today. It would of course have been in tribute to the article ...
Rob MacCulloch writes – Throughout the pandemic, the new Vice-Chancellor-of-Otago-University-on-$629,000 per annum-Can-you-believe-it-and-Former-Finance-Minister Grant Robertson repeated the mantra over and over that he saved “lives and livelihoods”.As we update how this claim is faring over the course of time, the facts are increasingly speaking differently. NZ ...
Chris Trotter writes – IT’S A COMMONPLACE of political speeches, especially those delivered in acknowledgement of electoral victory: “We’ll govern for all New Zealanders.” On the face of it, the pledge is a strange one. Why would any political leader govern in ways that advantaged the huge ...
Bryce Edwards writes – The list of former National Party Ministers being given plum and important roles got longer this week with the appointment of former Deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett as the chair of Pharmac. The Christopher Luxon-led Government has now made key appointments to Bill ...
TL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy at 10:06am on Wednesday, May 1:The Lead: Business confidence fell across the board in April, falling in some areas to levels last seen during the lockdowns because of a collapse in ...
Over the past 36 hours, Christopher Luxon has been dong his best to portray the centre-right’s plummeting poll numbers as a mark of virtue. Allegedly, the negative verdicts are the result of hard economic times, and of a government bravely set out on a perilous rescue mission from which not ...
Auckland Transport have started rolling out new HOP card readers around the network and over the next three months, all of them on buses, at train stations and ferry wharves will be replaced. The change itself is not that remarkable, with the new readers looking similar to what is already ...
Completed reads for April: The Difference Engine, by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling Carnival of Saints, by George Herman The Snow Spider, by Jenny Nimmo Emlyn’s Moon, by Jenny Nimmo The Chestnut Soldier, by Jenny Nimmo Death Comes As the End, by Agatha Christie Lord of the Flies, by ...
On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
Have a story to share about St Paul’s, but today just picturesPopular novels written at this desk by a young man who managed to bootstrap himself out of father’s imprisonment and his own young life in a workhouse Read more ...
The list of former National Party Ministers being given plum and important roles got longer this week with the appointment of former Deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett as the chair of Pharmac. The Christopher Luxon-led Government has now made key appointments to Bill English, Simon Bridges, Steven Joyce, Roger Sowry, ...
Newsroom has a story today about National's (fortunately failed) effort to disestablish the newly-created Inspector-General of Defence. The creation of this agency was the key recommendation of the Inquiry into Operation Burnham, and a vital means of restoring credibility and social licence to an agency which had been caught lying ...
Holding On To The Present:The moment a political movement arises that attacks the whole idea of social progress, and announces its intention to wind back the hands of History’s clock, then democracy, along with its unwritten rules, is in mortal danger.IT’S A COMMONPLACE of political speeches, especially those delivered in ...
Stuck In The Middle With You:As Christopher Luxon feels the hot breath of Act’s and NZ First’s extremists on the back of his neck and, as he reckons with the damage their policies are already inflicting upon a country he’s described as “fragile”, is there not some merit in reaching out ...
The unpopular coalition government is currently rushing to repeal section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act. The clause is Oranga Tamariki's Treaty clause, and was inserted after its systematic stealing of Māori children became a public scandal and resulted in physical resistance to further abductions. The clause created clear obligations ...
Buzz from the Beehive The government’s official website – which Point of Order monitors daily – not for the first time has nothing much to say today about political happenings that are grabbing media headlines. It makes no mention of the latest 1News-Verian poll, for example. This shows National down ...
It Takes A Train To Cry:Surely, there is nothing lonelier in all this world than the long wail of a distant steam locomotive on a cold Winter’s night.AS A CHILD, I would lie awake in my grandfather’s house and listen to the traffic. The big wooden house was only a ...
Packing A Punch: The election of the present government, including in its ranks politicians dedicated to reasserting the rights of the legislature in shaping and determining the future of Māori and Pakeha in New Zealand, should have alerted the judiciary – including its anomalous appendage, the Waitangi Tribunal – that its ...
Dead Woman Walking: New Zealand’s media industry had been moving steadily towards disaster for all the years Melissa Lee had been National’s media and communications policy spokesperson, and yet, when the crisis finally broke, on her watch, she had nothing intelligent to offer. Christopher Luxon is a patient man - but he’s not ...
Chris Trotter writes – New Zealand politics is remarkably easy-going: dangerously so, one might even say. With the notable exception of John Key’s flat ruling-out of the NZ First Party in 2008, all parties capable of clearing MMP’s five-percent threshold, or winning one or more electorate seats, tend ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Polling shows that Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has the lowest approval rating of any mayor in the country. Siting at -12 per cent, the proportion of constituents who disapprove of her performance outweighs those who give her the thumbs up. This negative rating is ...
Luxon will no doubt put a brave face on it, but there is no escaping the pressure this latest poll will put on him and the government. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political ...
This is a re-post from The Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler In the wake of any unusual weather event, someone inevitably asks, “Did climate change cause this?” In the most literal sense, that answer is almost always no. Climate change is never the sole cause of hurricanes, heat waves, droughts, or ...
Something odd happened yesterday, and I’d love to know if there’s more to it. If there was something which preempted what happened, or if it was simply a throwaway line in response to a journalist.Yesterday David Seymour was asked at a press conference what the process would be if the ...
Hi,From time to time, I want to bring Webworm into the real world. We did it last year with the Jurassic Park event in New Zealand — which was a lot of fun!And so on Saturday May 11th, in Los Angeles, I am hosting a lil’ Webworm pop-up! I’ve been ...
Education Minister Erica Standford yesterday unveiled a fundamental reform of the way our school pupils are taught. She would not exactly say so, but she is all but dismantling the so-called “inquiry” “feel good” method of teaching, which has ruled in our classrooms since a major review of the New ...
Exactly where are we seriously going with this government and its policies? That is, apart from following what may as well be a Truss-Lite approach on the purported economic “plan“, and Victorian-era regression when it comes to social policy.Oh it’ll work this time of course, we’re basically assured, “the ...
Hey Uncle Dave, When the Poms joined the EEC, I wasn't one of those defeatists who said, Well, that’s it for the dairy job. And I was right, eh? The Chinese can’t get enough of our milk powder and eventually, the Poms came to their senses and backed up the ute ...
Polling shows that Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has the lowest approval rating of any mayor in the country. Siting at -12 per cent, the proportion of constituents who disapprove of her performance outweighs those who give her the thumbs up. This negative rating is higher than for any other mayor ...
Buzz from the Beehive Pharmac has been given a financial transfusion and a new chair to oversee its spending in the pharmaceutical business. Associate Health Minister David Seymour described the funding for Pharmac as “its largest ever budget of $6.294 billion over four years, fixing a $1.774 billion fiscal cliff”. ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Many criticisms are being made of the Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill, including by this writer. But as with everything in politics, every story has two sides, and both deserve attention. It’s important to understand what the Government is trying to achieve and its ...
TL;DR: Here’s my top 10 ‘pick ‘n’ mix of links to news, analysis and opinion articles as of 10:10am on Monday, April 29:Scoop: The children's ward at Rotorua Hospital will be missing a third of its beds as winter hits because Te Whatu Ora halted an upgrade partway through to ...
span class=”dropcap”>As hideous as David Seymour can be, it is worth keeping in mind occasionally that there are even worse political figures (and regimes) out there. Iran for instance, is about to execute the country’s leading hip hop musician Toomaj Salehi, for writing and performing raps that “corrupt” the nation’s ...
Yesterday marked 10 years since the first electric train carried passengers in Auckland so it’s a good time to look back at it and the impact it has had. A brief history The first proposals for rail electrification in Auckland came in the 1920’s alongside the plans for earlier ...
Right now, in Aotearoa-NZ, our ‘animal spirits’ are darkening towards a winter of discontent, thanks at least partly to a chorus of negative comments and actions from the Government Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on ...
You make people evil to punish the paststuck inside a sequel with a rotating castThe following photos haven’t been generated with AI, or modified in any way. They are flesh and blood, human beings. On the left is Galatea Young, a young mum, and her daughter Fiadh who has Angelman ...
April has been a quiet month at A Phuulish Fellow. I have had an exceptionally good reading month, and a decently productive writing month – for original fiction, anyway – but not much has caught my eye that suggested a blog article. It has been vaguely frustrating, to be honest. ...
A listing of 31 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, April 21, 2024 thru Sat, April 27, 2024. Story of the week Anthropogenic climate change may be the ultimate shaggy dog story— but with a twist, because here ...
Hi,I spent about a year on Webworm reporting on an abusive megachurch called Arise, and it made me want to stab my eyes out with a fork.I don’t regret that reporting in 2022 and 2023 — I am proud of it — but it made me angry.Over three main stories ...
The new Victoria University Vice-Chancellor decided to have a forum at the university about free speech and academic freedom as it is obviously a topical issue, and the Government is looking at legislating some carrots or sticks for universities to uphold their obligations under the Education and Training Act. They ...
Do you remember when Melania Trump got caught out using a speech that sounded awfully like one Michelle Obama had given? Uncannily so.Well it turns out that Abraham Lincoln is to Winston Peters as Michelle was to Melania. With the ANZAC speech Uncle Winston gave at Gallipoli having much in ...
The Government is again adding to New Zealand’s growing unemployment, this time cutting jobs at the agencies responsible for urban development and growing much needed housing stock. ...
With Minister Karen Chhour indicating in the House today that she either doesn’t know or care about the frontline cuts she’s making to Oranga Tamariki, we risk seeing more and more of our children falling through the cracks. ...
The Labour Party is saddened to learn of the death of Sir Robert Martin, a globally renowned disability advocate who led the way for disability rights both in New Zealand and internationally. ...
Labour is calling for the Government to urgently rethink its coalition commitment to restart live animal exports, Labour animal welfare spokesperson Rachel Boyack said. ...
Today’s Financial Stability Report has once again highlighted that poverty and deep inequality are political choices - and this Government is choosing to make them worse. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to do more for our households in most need as unemployment rises and the cost of living crisis endures. ...
Unemployment is on the rise and it’s only going to get worse under this Government, Labour finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds said. Stats NZ figures show the unemployment rate grew to 4.3 percent in the March quarter from 4 percent in the December quarter. “This is the second rise in unemployment ...
The New Zealand Labour Party welcomes the entering into force of the European Union and New Zealand free trade agreement. This agreement opens the door for a huge increase in trade opportunities with a market of 450 million people who are high value discerning consumers of New Zealand goods and ...
The National-led Government continues its fiscal jiggery pokery with its Pharmac announcement today, Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says. “The government has increased Pharmac funding but conceded it will only make minimal increases in access to medicine”, said Ayesha Verrall “This is far from the bold promises made to fund ...
This afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
Te Pāti Māori is disgusted at the confirmation that hundreds are set to lose their jobs at Oranga Tamariki, and the disestablishment of the Treaty Response Unit. “This act of absolute carelessness and out of touch decision making is committing tamariki to state abuse.” Said Te Pāti Māori Oranga Tamariki ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and Mema Paremata mō Tāmaki-Makaurau, Takutai Tarsh Kemp, will travel to the Gold Coast to strengthen ties with Māori in Australia next week (15-21 April). The visit, in the lead-up to the 9th Australian National Kapa haka Festival, will be an opportunity for both ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop today released his decision on four recommendations referred to him by the Western Bay of Plenty District Council, opening the door to housing growth in the area. The Council’s Plan Change 92 allows more homes to be built in existing and new ...
Thank you, John McKinnon and the New Zealand China Council for the invitation to speak to you today. Thank you too, all members of the China Council. Your effort has played an essential role in helping to build, shape, and grow a balanced and resilient relationship between our two ...
The Government is modernising insurance law to better protect Kiwis and provide security in the event of a disaster, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “These reforms are long overdue. New Zealand’s insurance law is complicated and dated, some of which is more than 100 years old. ...
The coalition Government is refreshing its approach to supporting pay equity claims as time-limited funding for the Pay Equity Taskforce comes to an end, Public Service Minister Nicola Willis says. “Three years ago, the then-government introduced changes to the Equal Pay Act to support pay equity bargaining. The changes were ...
Structured literacy will change the way New Zealand children learn to read - improving achievement and setting students up for success, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Being able to read and write is a fundamental life skill that too many young people are missing out on. Recent data shows that ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay says Canada’s refusal to comply in full with a CPTPP trade dispute ruling in our favour over dairy trade is cynical and New Zealand has no intention of backing down. Mr McClay said he has asked for urgent legal advice in respect of our ‘next move’ ...
The rights of our children and young people will be enhanced by changes the coalition Government will make to strengthen oversight of the Oranga Tamariki system, including restoring a single Children’s Commissioner. “The Government is committed to delivering better public services that care for our most at-risk young people and ...
The Government is making it easier for minor changes to be made to a building consent so building a home is easier and more affordable, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “The coalition Government is focused on making it easier and cheaper to build homes so we can ...
New Zealand lost a true legend when internationally renowned disability advocate Sir Robert Martin (KNZM) passed away at his home in Whanganui last night, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. “Our Government’s thoughts are with his wife Lynda, family and community, those he has worked with, the disability community in ...
Good evening – Before discussing the challenges and opportunities facing New Zealand’s foreign policy, we’d like to first acknowledge the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. You have contributed to debates about New Zealand foreign policy over a long period of time, and we thank you for hosting us. ...
From today, passengers travelling internationally from Auckland Airport will be able to keep laptops and liquids in their carry-on bags for security screening thanks to new technology, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Creating a more efficient and seamless travel experience is important for holidaymakers and businesses, enabling faster movement through ...
People with an interest in the health of Northland’s marine ecosystems are invited to a public meeting to discuss how to deal with kina barrens, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones will lead the discussion, which will take place on Friday, 10 May, at Awanui Hotel in ...
Kiwi exporters are $100 million better off today with the NZ EU FTA entering into force says Trade Minister Todd McClay. “This is all part of our plan to grow the economy. New Zealand's prosperity depends on international trade, making up 60 per cent of the country’s total economic activity. ...
There are heartening signs that the extractive sector is once again becoming an attractive prospect for investors and a source of economic prosperity for New Zealand, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The beginnings of a resurgence in extractive industries are apparent in media reports of the sector in the past ...
The return of the historic Ō-Rākau battle site to the descendants of those who fought there moved one step closer today with the first reading of Te Pire mō Ō-Rākau, Te Pae o Maumahara / The Ō-Rākau Remembrance Bill. The Bill will entrust the 9.7-hectare battle site, five kilometres west ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has announced 25 new high-speed EV charging hubs along key routes between major urban centres and outlined the Government’s plan to supercharge New Zealand’s EV infrastructure. The hubs will each have several chargers and be capable of charging at least four – and up to 10 ...
The coalition Government will not proceed with the previous Government’s plans to regulate residential property managers, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “I have written to the Chairperson of the Social Services and Community Committee to inform him that the Government does not intend to support the Residential Property Managers Bill ...
The Government has announced an independent review into the disability support system funded by the Ministry of Disabled People – Whaikaha. Disability Issues Minister Louise Upston says the review will look at what can be done to strengthen the long-term sustainability of Disability Support Services to provide disabled people and ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has attended the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva and outlined the Government’s plan to restore law and order. “Speaking to the United Nations Human Rights Council provided us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while responding to issues and ...
The Government and Rotorua Lakes Council are committed to working closely together to end the use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua. Associate Minister of Housing (Social Housing) Tama Potaka says the Government remains committed to ending the long-term use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua by the ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay heads overseas today for high-level trade talks in the Gulf region, and a key OECD meeting in Paris. Mr McClay will travel to Riyadh to meet with counterparts from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). “New Zealand’s goods and services exports to the Gulf region ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford has outlined six education priorities to deliver a world-leading education system that sets Kiwi kids up for future success. “I’m putting ambition, achievement and outcomes at the heart of our education system. I want every child to be inspired and engaged in their learning so they ...
The new NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) App is a secure ‘one stop shop’ to provide the services drivers need, Transport Minister Simeon Brown and Digitising Government Minister Judith Collins say. “The NZTA App will enable an easier way for Kiwis to pay for Vehicle Registration and Road User Charges (RUC). ...
Whānau with tamariki growing up in emergency housing motels will be prioritised for social housing starting this week, says Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka. “Giving these whānau a better opportunity to build healthy stable lives for themselves and future generations is an essential part of the Government’s goal of reducing ...
Racing Minister Winston Peters has paid tribute to an icon of the industry with the recent passing of Dave O’Sullivan (OBE). “Our sympathies are with the O’Sullivan family with the sad news of Dave O’Sullivan’s recent passing,” Mr Peters says. “His contribution to racing, initially as a jockey and then ...
Assalaamu alaikum, greetings to you all. Eid Mubarak, everyone! I want to extend my warmest wishes to you and everyone celebrating this joyous occasion. It is a pleasure to be here. I have enjoyed Eid celebrations at Parliament before, but this is my first time joining you as the Minister ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced Pharmac’s largest ever budget of $6.294 billion over four years, fixing a $1.774 billion fiscal cliff. “Access to medicines is a crucial part of many Kiwis’ lives. We’ve committed to a budget allocation of $1.774 billion over four years so Kiwis are ...
Hon Paula Bennett has been appointed as member and chair of the Pharmac board, Associate Health Minister David Seymour announced today. "Pharmac is a critical part of New Zealand's health system and plays a significant role in ensuring that Kiwis have the best possible access to medicines,” says Mr Seymour. ...
Hundreds of New Zealand families affected by Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) will benefit from a new Government focus on prevention and treatment, says Health Minister Dr Shane Reti. “We know FASD is a leading cause of preventable intellectual and neurodevelopmental disability in New Zealand,” Dr Reti says. “Every day, ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones today attended the official opening of Kaikohe’s new $14.7 million sports complex. “The completion of the Kaikohe Multi Sports Complex is a fantastic achievement for the Far North,” Mr Jones says. “This facility not only fulfils a long-held dream for local athletes, but also creates ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters’ engagements in Türkiye this week underlined the importance of diplomacy to meet growing global challenges. “Returning to the Gallipoli Peninsula to represent New Zealand at Anzac commemorations was a sombre reminder of the critical importance of diplomacy for de-escalating conflicts and easing tensions,” Mr Peters ...
Ambassador Millar, Burgemeester, Vandepitte, Excellencies, military representatives, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen – good morning and welcome to this sacred Anzac Day dawn service. It is an honour to be here on behalf of the Government and people of New Zealand at Buttes New British Cemetery, Polygon Wood – a deeply ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
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Are Bunnings really trying to do the right thing?
Or was their parent company forced into taking action by overseas protests…
So are they going to go the whole hog and stop selling eg: neonicotinoid-based pesticides altogether, the way they plan to in Europe? Or will they try and dump product here until our regulators catch up?
Still, it’s an opportunity to put pressure on all the local retailers.
Thanks for info and good points OAB.
A couple of other things occurred to me: one, the cynicism, and two, the failure of the stenographer/journalist to check context.
Why is the weather so hot?
Newshub investigated. The closest to the truth came in this response from MetService meteorologist Lisa Murray.
“”We had 5-6degC higher than normal in some areas of the Tasman Sea. In our coastal waters it was 3-4degC for some areas as well.
“It’s going to have a big impact on life within the sea, and also on weather events. One of the ingredients for these really intense lows is these warmer sea temperatures.”
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/01/record-breaking-weather-why-is-it-so-hot.html
Of course Metservice spokespeople are going to be cautious.
They remember what happened to Salinger for mentioning the cc words.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10568596
Again you tell lies and deliberately try to twist things to your story.
Salinger was fired for ignoring company policy and talking to the media without permission on several occasions.
Salinger was sacked for telling the truth when NZ was governed by liars.
Any evidence to back that up?
No of course not.
At the time, Jacqueline Rowarth said there were very fine people on both sides.
So yes, Salinger told the truth.
That NZ was governed by liars at the time is well documented.
Jim is a good guy – in this case however the ERA backed the employer.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10616915
Oh I’m sure it was all done according to the letter of the law, but the influence of agribusiness over NIWA was always going to clash with its scientific and public duties.
If there’s any hint of dodginess the ERA usually sides with the employee, knowing Jim I think he’d had more than enough of the overly officious cak one has to deal with from above in such organisations anyway.
His public statements at the time indicate that the problem increased during his last few years at NIWA. Perhaps you think there’s no connection between the National Party’s hostility towards facts and this phenomenon.
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https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-14-01-2018/#comment-1435883
At that time Key and his cronies were ramping up dairy intensification.
Something inconvenient like climate change couldn’t get in the way of those methane belching cows.
Are we allowed to eat the cows if we decrease our diary herd ?
Are you comfortable with the way dairy industry treats calves?
Are you comfortable with how this vegan industry treats humans?
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/deadly-devotion/videos/krishna-recruiting
Stalking me pm….
Are you comfortable with the way dairy industry treats calves?
Was that too subtle for you or something?
No amount of evidence would persuade a perverse individual like yourself. We have had this conversation many times.
But since you ask:
Salinger didn’t understand why he was dismissed.
https://thestandard.org.nz/the-great-big-list-of-john-keys-big-fat-lies-updated/ substantiates the dishonesty of that government.
You don’t really believe that there is anything sensible in that diatribe do you?
The title would be far more accurate if it was labelled “The great big list of Blip’s lies about John Key”.
I had a look at these claims of Blips on a number of occasions. His problem is that he claims that Key said things that he didn’t actually say.
He then claims that his misinterpretation of Key’s words is somehow the real thing.
But no amount of evidence would persuade a perverse individual like yourself. Sad really.
We’re still waiting to discover whether you lied deliberately about SCF and the extended guarantee the other day.
There are plenty of open-and-shut cases on BLiP’s list. Tranzrail, Brethren, Standard & Poors, troops to Iraq, Whitechapel – itself a corrupt device, Pike River, drinking age, etc etc.
I am sorry that I have illustrated that your ridiculous beliefs about the SCF affair have not a skerrick of truth to them.
Can I suggest you give up on the topic and go back to something that will no doubt give you orgastic pleasure.
You remember that John Key was of Jewish descent. He was actualy sent to New Zealand as part of a vast Jewish plot to take over the world.
Have a look here and you will see a description of that affair.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007058
I already linked to Treasury’s information on their application for entry into the extended guarantee scheme in 2010. Your assertion that they “couldn’t be dropped” from it makes no sense, because they hadn’t been accepted into it (the extended scheme) at that time.
Still, your admission that the National Party should have exercised more oversight concedes the point. Thanks.
You really are determined to come across as rather thick, aren’t you?
I’ll break into little steps.
1. SCF were included in the guaranteed company list in 2008.
2. That guarantee scheme was going to be replaced.
3. The company, SCF, was on the verge of collapse in 2010.
4. If they were not going to be in the replacement scheme most of their funds would have immediately been withdrawn.
5. They couldn’t possibly repay their debts.
6. The original guarantee would have been called on.
7. The Government, foolishly perhaps, hoped that the company could still be salvaged.
8. The were included in the new scheme in the hope that the salvage could succeed.
9. It didn’t.
There, is that now clear to you? They couldn’t have had their Government guarantee, under one scheme or another, withdrawn without immediately inducing a collapse.
Yep Alwyn, that what I said a couple of days ago.
Th NATZ paid out 1.6Billion to SCF.
@dv
There is one thing you still don’t seem to understand.
Either that or you do understand it but aren’t willing to recognise the truth.
The National led Government did not pay out 1.6 billion to SCF as you have repeatedly been claiming.
The Government paid out nothing to SCF.
I’ll repeat it so that it might penetrate.
The Government paid out NOTHING to SCF.
Nothing, zero, zilch.
“Foolishly”.
Thanks for conceding the point again.
Actually I think Blip was probably overly generous – Key’s was unquestionably the worst and most corrupt government ever to blight New Zealand.
You seem to lack the perspective to appreciate that lying and stealing public assets are not a public service – no doubt because you were in some sense part of the blight.
“Key’s was unquestionably the worst and most corrupt government ever to blight New Zealand.”
Comedy gold or lack of long term memory ?
Why, did Muldoon turn the country into a tax haven and run a cash-for-access scheme for Ministers?
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Muldoon had a number of less than complimentary actions during his time in government amongst them
Abolishing Labour’s superannuation scheme without new legislation. In the case it was found that revoking a law in such a manner without consent of Parliament was illegal under the Bill of Rights, The Moyle Affair, Appointing Sir Keith Holyoake as Governor-General upon Sir Denis Blundell’s term ending,the constitutional crisis after the 1984 election and his ‘pissheadedness’, the Keith Allen affair etc etc…
Also NZ is not a tax haven and your continued panty bunching over National’s fundraising is quite dull. In twenty year’s time historians will see the Nat government of 2008-16 as very much a continuation of the Labour government’s actions and policies of 1999-2008. Whether they view the government as a good and the country well run will have more to do with the state of the world and that time.
New Zealand is a tax haven.
Or perhaps this is false advertising:
If you can’t see anything problematic in Cabinet Club I shouldn’t be at all surprised.
…. And Mossack fonseka were not tax haven pimps founded by a real nazi …. with those nazi ‘grey area’ ethics
And they were not pimping John Keys little tax haven …
oh hang on …. yes they were.
Stunned discord ……… Cognitive Mullet
Talk to the Mossack … fool
Sorry fourth worst government.
1. Massey’s government 1912 – 1925
2. Douglas’s government 1984 – 1988
3. Richardson’s government 1990 – 1993
Perhaps you think the use of NZ as a repository for criminal proceeds is a good thing. The parties involved felt sufficiently guilty about it to murder a journalist who uncovered part of what was going on.
I don’t imagine that Hubbard considered the Key government in a positive light, given that it stripped him of the wealth he built up over a lifetime without even bothering to employ legal processes.
The employees of Solid Energy, too, have reason to curse the name of that fuckwit Bill English, the ‘responsible minister’ who allowed it to be run into the ground.
Muldoon was rightwing, but neither a crook nor a traitor. The Key government abounded in both – and its leader was the worst of all.
Tragi-comedy, and yes Key and Nat ministers made an artform of short and long term memory loss – accompanied by misleading and ambiguous statements and dirty tricks . . ..
Yes there are quite a few New Zealanders whose own private assets increased as a result of the Key government
I would predict that some of the most fervent defenders of neoliberalism onnthis site have benefited from either the government stealing our assets or allowing the housing market to run out of control.
Their love of the free market is just a reflection of the greed and selfishness.
I predict they’re mostly middle-class turkeys chanting for Xmas.
I predict both your fine self and Ed undertake bukake parties with goats.
Very well put.
The middle class were happy to buy into neo-liberalism in the 1980s, not realising that once the working class had been devoured, the plutocrats would be coming for them.
OAB
…chanting AGAINST Xmas. They are bright enough to know where their interests lie. And the fact that Christmas is cherished by other NZs makes no bones with them. Any bones that fall, will not be turkey ones if they can help it.
I predict that Stunned Mullet will get banned from TS and go over to Yawnz to moan about it
Ed – Are you one person with two different visual symbols (I never know what to call these) or two people with the same name? I’m guessing the former, but the visual thing is confusing. Is there a way to fix it?
The Free Market has never really been that. Through the actions of the Key lead government, for instance, they weighted the employment market heavily in favor of employers. They put in employment legislation into the market to help keep wage increases artificially low.
While business had record profits they begrudgingly increased wages and some even tried some tricks to get rid of union workers to replace them with non-unionised labor at a lower price. Then there was the way the contracting fo services like transportation etc. were set up by the Key Government to allow wages and conditions of those employees helping provide the public services could be lowered by changing them from employees of the councils to employees of subcontractors.
Okay, so why don’t you do us all a favour, since we’re such witless and easily led sheep, and write up a list of Blip’s lies about the lies Key told. Go on. It’ll give you something to do that doesn’t involve making snarky remarks about anyone who says something disparaging about Saint John of Key.
I’ve done it before for representative examples of Blips claims..
Why don’t you have a look on this blog and you’ll find several examples.
I can only assume you are to lazy to do it or you just go “nah, nah, nah” when someone demonstrates that you are too foolish to read the comments carefully.
All good politicians do it. They say things that sound very open but are very carefully hedged so that they can back out of them if they want to.
Look at Grant Robertson on TV3 recently. He was asked about the pay of the New Zealand Women’s Rugby team. He said something that sounded as if he thought they should be paid the same as the All Blacks. Thrilling if you think there is a huge Gender pay gap.
People took him to say something like. “I am looking forward to talking to the Rugby Union about pay equality”.
Wonderful for women, right? What he said was “pay equity” which would allow him in the future to turn into anything at all.
Look at Winston in 2005. He said that he wouldn’t accept “the baubles of office”. People took it to mean he wasn’t demanding a Ministerial role and all the perks that go with it. What happened of course that he became Minister of Foreign Affairs and toured the world in style. When questioned he said that the Ministerial position he took wasn’t a bauble, which is a thing of little worth.
Key was just very good at it and Blip was one of the many KDS sufferers who chose to pretend things Key said didn’t mean exactly what they said.
Hi Alwyn
I don’t support any political party, and have voted across the political spectrum over the years. But the left’s obsession with John Key was much the same as the right’s obsession with Helen Clark. It was born out of confusion (perhaps envy?) about how someone they despise can be some popular, and about how such a person can be so astonishingly successful.
Not confused why he was popular.
The corporate media ran a 9 year propaganda campaign for him.
Martin Bradbury explains it perfectly.
Where the hell was the NZ media for the last 9 years?
Exactly. The Left despises Key’s dishonesty and gutter ethics, and the Right despises Clark’s gender.
Of course they disliked him.
He defeated their Joan of Arc, the sainted Helen.
That could never be forgiven.
There was, of course no difference between Clark Derangement Syndrome and Key Derangement Syndrome.
Both were functions of total incomprehension that someone the sufferers couldn’t stand was so incredibly popular and successful.
The CDS sufferers recovered. Even Hooton got over it. Sooner or later the KDS group will also recover and wonder how they could have been so silly.
As far as taking Bradbury’s opinion on anything as being sensible and meaningful you would have to be crazy.
He is the only person I have ever heard of who was more than 11 without having got over the idea that a nickname of “Bomber” was not really something to be disposed of along with your teddy bear.
There is no comparison because all the Right could come up with was silly accusations about a painting that Clark signed for charity, and the speeding motorcade incident.
What else? so-called “Nanny state” stuff like lightbulbs, showerheads, anti-smacking legislation.
The National Party Herald(tm) helped with their “attack on democracy” campaign against the Electoral Funding Act. (but they forgot to mention Cabinet Club or the Nats dodgy backers like China, SkyCity, Exclusive Brethren).
Hollow Men and Dirty Politics exposed their lies, and no politician has the guts to try and sue Nicky Hager because they know they will lose.
“The corporate media ran a 9 year propaganda campaign for him.”
That’s the same nonsense the right ran about Helen Clark. It’s simply another form of the sort of denial I mentioned above.
“Both were functions of total incomprehension that someone the sufferers couldn’t stand was so incredibly popular and successful.
The CDS sufferers recovered. Even Hooton got over it. Sooner or later the KDS group will also recover and wonder how they could have been so silly.”
To be fair, Key’s popularity was incredible, and his level of popularity outlasted even Clark. That must have really lurked the left even more.
“As far as taking Bradbury’s opinion on anything as being sensible and meaningful you would have to be crazy.”
Bradbury has a sorry reputation for getting things wrong. There are many excellent left wing bloggers; he isn’t one of them.
“There is no comparison…”
There is a direct comparison. The lefts obsession with ‘dirty politics’ is a case in point. As if the left never engaged in dirty politics.
Please give an example of “the left” engaging in Dirty Politics.
“Please give an example of “the left” engaging in Dirty Politics.“
The so called ‘pledge card’. BTW, in my view ‘dirty politics’ is just ‘politics’.
“National is not going to raise GST. National wants to cut taxes – not raise taxes.” – Saint John of Key on the campaign trail, 2008.
2010, Key raises GST from 12.5% to 15%.
“I am not interested in selling assets – I’m all about building assets.” – Saint John of Key on the campaign trail, 2008.
Goes on to sell a metric butt-load of assets, despite an opposing referendum, including… state houses. And then plays a shell game with the proceeds: https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/285835/have-asset-sale-funds-gone-where-promised
Now, you can dance around mendacious crap like that all you want, Alwyn, but the fact is a lie, is a lie, is a lie. Key was a serial liar. Fact.
But, hey, go crazy trying to defend the indefensible. It’s your time to waste.
Reminds me of a sort of joke I heard.
A confused signwriter’s big mistake.
Instead of John Key, Used Car dealer
he put –
Car Key, Used John Dealer.
We misread the signs when we voted him in!
I see John Slater, Whaleoil’s dad and Jenny Shipley, a woman of substance, encouraged him to come here and bring his money magic.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11760707
David Farrar is either tongue in cheek or is embedded in a culture of his own cognisance, like a raspberry in jelly.
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/06/the_john_key_biography_-_the_early_years.html
Some interesting background on John Key that may have slipped by unread.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/250525/Who-is-John-Key
What sort of substance is that Jenny Shipley. I’d love to know so I can find out what sort of antiseptic to use if I ever come across it
I think the situation is that it is many-sided and hard to treat. It is difficult with some ailments, you carry them within you and by the time they break out noticeably, you’re very poorly indeed.
He was sacked for publicising ‘climate change’ when the powers that were did not want it publicised and tried to silence him. But those who, like James, do not want to see will ask for ‘evidence’. History will judge James poorly, I think.
Again you cannot point to him being fired for that because that’s not what happened.
Sorry that the evidence points to you being wrong again.
I bet you can read between the lines when it suits you. But here you prefer prevarication based on technicality. Of course NIWA would find weasel-words to obscure the issue, and it suits you to bleat about it.
Key’s wretched government was particularly embarrassed by an infamous interview by the BBC Programme Hardtalk.
One line stood out from the interview that displayed Key’s contempt for independent scientific research.
“He’s one academic, and like lawyers, I can provide you with another one that will give you a counterview.”
The transcript of part of the interview is on this link.
http://www.noted.co.nz/archive/listener-nz-2011/john-keys-unhappy-week-at-the-bbc/
Another interesting point is in this excerpt from the Listener article.
“More alarming still, perhaps, is Joy’s suggestion that scientists have become afraid of speaking out, for fear of losing funding: “He says people are scared to voice concerns for fear of political backlash, or the ‘Jim Salinger effect’, in which a top NIWA scientist lost his job in 2009 after speaking to the media.”
The Salinger sacking clearly had an impact.
Here are video links to the ghastly Key’s shaming by Steve Sackur.
Sadly few New Zealand journalists had the courage to question this dodgy character.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tfUozKMgA-Y
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_0canC4MM9I
100% Ed,
Anyone who ‘idolises John Key; is either living off the ‘ill gotten gains’ his policies of sell/carpetbag/extort from the taxpayers sold/lost assets is a sick puppy.
You and our side have some ‘conscience and wish to see them gone to another planet like ‘planet key’.
ZOMG, a knowledgeable person spoke to the MSM about what they know. HOW DARE HE.
See, part of the problem is that our scientists and public servants now have to get permission first. They didn’t have to previously and the government was effectively more open because of it.
We actually need these people talking openly so that we can have an open and honest society rather than one hidden behind the lies of the politicians.
And according to that article he wasn’t even warned about it which means that the employer broke the law.
How can that happen under the SOE model?
This is the way that a government operating with a profit motive, not a service motive or even an efficient and effective motive on a not-for-profit basis, treats erstwhile civil servants. Most uncivilly!
From link Ed provided above.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10568596
24 April 2009, 11.59pm
See, part of the problem is that our scientists and public servants now have to get permission first. They didn’t have to previously and the government was effectively more open because of it.
I did some work for DOC 25 years ago, part of the employment contract was that I wasn’t allowed to say or do anything that could negatively impact the government of the day and if I did, immediate termination of employment.
My job was pretty low level so I guess that condition applied to every individual who worked for the government.
Sure, no-one wants wooden sweaty cheerleaders expressing their ignorance. Dr. Salinger doesn’t fall into that category. In fact, informing people within his area of expertise is his duty.
NZ Association of Scientists.
Working in the private sector is probably his best option then, he’s then free to say whatever he wan about the governments( as long as it doesn’t negatively impact on his employer)
We can’t have special people, rules have to apply to everyone.
😆
The Cabinet Manual, for example.
People should be able to speak out freely as long as they’re speaking the truth.
Anything else is oppression.
EDIT: David Fisher: OIA a bizarre arms race
Which is how it should be. None of this carefully crafted BS that we get now that seems designed to protect the politicians and their policies.
But the flipside of that is when the media look for quick confirmation of what turns out to be – or should obviously be – made up bullshit. A careless confirmation by someone answering off the top of their head, possibly sarcastically, becomes “confirmed by the department”.
The classic example being the (Asia Air?) flight that had a hard landing in the US west coast and got evacuated – injuries and a couple of deaths – the local station had been informed by some wag late one night that the crew names were fit for a ChCh restaurant menu. The station called the NTSB in washington, and an intern apparently confirmed that the crew names were “Sum Ting Wong, “Wi Too Lo”, “Ho Lee Fuk”, and “Bang Ding Ow”. I shit you not, the station went live with the “breaking news” because some intern said an obvious wind up was true.
100% Draco,
BM comment hit a raw nerve with us all.
‘We can’t have special people, rules have to apply to everyone.’
In the right wing bloggers world this effectively means “as long as it is anyone outside the right wing beltway” – it seems.
Thanks for reminding us about this. I was pleasantly surprised that a NZer who was a lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (which was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007) chose to voice his concerns in the media. All the more courageous given that he has suffered from depression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Salinger
Why was/is informing the public, via the media, against the policies of SoEs and other corporates? What/who does that silencing seek to protect?
Thankfully, Dr Mike Joy doesn’t work for NIWA.
Those are the big questions.
“NZer who was a lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (which was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007)”.
Gosh, that sounds terribly impressive doesn’t it?
Does that mean that he is Jim Salinger, Nobel Prize Winner?
Actually my own record is vastly more impressive. I regularly donate to the Red Cross. Does that make me a 3 time Nobel Prize winner. After all MY organisation won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1917, 1944 and 1963.
Were you carefully selected by the Red Cross from a field of eminent worthies, based on your proven expertise, experience and leadership in the field of charitable donations? No? I thought not.
Well no I wasn’t, but neither was Salinger. He certainly doesn’t seem to have been “carefully selected from a field of eminent worthies”, as you seem to think.
He was one of about twenty editors of one chapter of one report, as far as I can discover. It was solely about Australia and New Zealand and the majority of the editors were Australian.
He wasn’t even the senior of the New Zealand editors He was just one of the lower level group. The leading New Zealander representative in the group was a retired Geography Professor named Fitzharris.
That’s some magnificent spin, Alwyn – all I had to offer was facts and questions.
Perhaps you bowled for Aussie in another life?
100% Drowsy M. Kram
Alwyn is one of the ‘key’ partners in the right wing junk science spin machine.
ignore the idiotic spin.
Congratulations to Bryce from the Rock radio for the new baby I said that the Lady’s contributions to our society is a lot greater than they are given credit for Congratulations to your lady to M8 it a lot of work raising children. Congratulations to Jens new marriage may you 2 be happy forever. It was awesome to hear the rumble crew back on air. Its awesome to hear that Joseph has got the fight all signed up and Ka pai I want to put this up before you people came back on air just to busy. Ka kite ano
I’m with you on the fight – looking forward to watching it. Good to see a kiwi boy doing so well on the world boxing stage.
The sweet science is beautiful
James – you should have been a science teacher. Our children need inspiring enthusiasts.
I’ve taught boxing in a prev life – so I guess I was 🙂
I think Joshuas height and reach advantage and generally better knock out capabilities will be to much for Parker to overcome, what do you think?
Joseph will lose and then if he’s got good advisors he’ll win by quitting boxing with a very tidy sum to support him and his family through the rest of his life.
Hopefully
Ah! Punch-drunk that’s it!
Jacinda Ardern nails it nicely:
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/would-new-zealand-feel-jacinda-ardern-says-trumps-alleged-shithole-remark-hugely-offensive?auto=5711045042001
Imagine if Trump knew anything about NZ (which he doesn’t) then he would know we have a dark skinned indigenous race called “Maori” who represent a sizable proportion of our population. So much so, around half of the so-called white “Pakeha” population also have ‘Maori” blood streaming through their veins.
I guess we qualify as one of his “shithole” countries.
Edit: here’s the complete interview
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/01/donald-trump-s-s-thole-comments-hugely-offensive-ardern.html
No because he was talking about the countries not the people.
I know people like to try and spin it as a racial issue but it’s not – note Jacinda wouldn’t say it was either.
And the truth is – those countries are shitholes.
No, he was talking about the people – specifically their migration to the USA.
To put it another way, “why don’t people from nice places want to come and live here?”
Your man’s an idiot.
Even your quote identifies that he was saying the country was the shithole nothing to do with the people – which is the point.
Explain why they’re undesirable as potential citizens then. Dear White Supremacist Leader makes a clear connection between country and people.
The reason you can’t see it is that he’s your man.
+111
So if someone said NZ was a shithole you wouldn’t think it was a comment about the people as well?
This. Deliberate incomprehension from James but no surprise – these people must fein denseness to defend their position.
James has an interest in saying Trump is not racist.
He’s trying to wriggle out of a clear statement that when you refer to a place as a shit-hole you are not talking about the people in it.
It’s pretty pathetic, but that’s James.
Well there have been commenters on here who have called nz a shithold and I didn’t assume that they were racist.
Given the lack of outrage at the comment I assume that others readers didn’t as well.
You argued above that Trump was talking about countries not the people that live in them. I’m asking you if someone called NZ a shithole, would you think that wasn’t about the people as well?
Trump is obviously a racist. There is probably nothing he can say at this point about non-white people that is outside of that context.
I have occasionally thought NZ was a bit of a shithole – because in my experience people like James (actually worse, our James is pretty mild really) are in the majority.
By the way James, ‘shithole’ is a metaphorical term, and calling it a fact makes you look as silly as Trump was to use the term – which he now denies doing, but who would believe him?
But James (4.1) a nation is its people. Or put another way, the people are the nation.
Trump was without doubt slagging off the people from those countries he called shitholes!
Haiti is a shithole, why else would its people be trying to leave (and going to ‘murica)
Well Haiti is a shithole country but then maybe its because of american involvement
http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/13/politics/bill-clinton-denies-accusations-foundation-funds-wedding/index.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098
https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/
Haiti has been a shit hole for many years it has however improved a little bit from the hell hole it was previously.
Well thats a glass half full way of looking at it 🙂
Haiti has had some appalling (and I mean truly appalling) shit served up to its population by various thugs over the years.
Including in no small part the US.
Yep
Though no doubt some US policies or corporates have contributed to Haiti’s problems, geographical issues and how they were managed were relevant, as were the characteristics of the ruling elites.
https://www.theglobalist.com/haiti-and-the-dominican-republic-one-island-two-worlds/
Does anyone, for even the briefest of moments, believe that previous US admins and leaders of western governments and institutions have held these places (and the people that live there) in less contempt than that expressed by Trump?
Because if you do, I’d argue that you really need to pick up a history book and throw away all those “ready to hand” rosy glasses that are probably strategically dotted around the show.
Trump is an ignorant racist. I don’t think anyone would seriously argue with that. But what he did was merely give expression to an attitude that is more or less ubiquitous within echelons of power and that can be traced back to at least the 1830s and Britain’s actions against Egypt… the aftermath of Haiti’s independence in 1804…the Atlantic slave trade from the 1400s onwards.
Anyone care to comment on “super-predators” or the size of the African American prison population today, or anything about colonisation or the economic and political subjugation of post colonial entities and the accompanying unprecedented transfer of wealth from “South” to “North” that’s still continuing today?
And does anyone think that the very people in positions of influence and power who are front-footing and encouraging this hue and cry over Trumps statement are somehow divorced from the deeply ingrained institutional racism that Trump guilelessly, by dint of giving voice to his own prejudice, shone a light on?
In short, my enemy’s enemy can fuck off too.
Bill, there’s been plenty of comment from people on this site about things like the effects of colonialism on indigenous populations, racial profiling by police, inequities in arrests, prosecutions, guilty verdicts and sentences, trade disparities and exploitation of the “developing” world by the “developed”, America’s culpability in trying to shape the world around their perceived self interest… It’s not an either/or situation. Recognising and deploring Trump’s casual racism (which, let’s remember, does actually impact his decision making and hence other people’s lives) doesn’t stop people being able to think about, comment about and work against other kinds of racism or exploitation.
If you don’t want to join in when people condemn the latest Trump fuck-up, then don’t. But dumping on people who do doesn’t achieve a lot, does it?
Oh dear. Tell me red-blooded. When you were a kid and you got one of those ‘dot to dot’ books, did you manage, after you’d put the tip of the pencil to the paper, to draw it across the paper so that dots got joined up? Or did you just sit there all day feverishly focused on the dot beneath your pencil tip…perhaps lift the pencil and set it down on the next dot?
I ask, because you’ve just more or less stated an inability to chew gum and walk at the same time – ie, it’s beyond you to contemplate Trump’s bullshit in a wider, revealing context.
And by the way – since you made the accusation, just where in the name of fuck in the comment you’ve responded to, is it that I’m dumping on people who have joined with others in condemn[ing] the latest Trump fuck-up?
Seems to me you’ve just provided an excellent variant of an observation made by Hanswurst –
Now sure. You’re not suggesting I’m supportive of Trump, merely that I ought to shut the fuck up if I’m not prepared to read from the script everyone’s apparently signed up to.
No matter how many times you have said trump is drop kick (politest phrase I could think of).
Intersectional comments which bring in the wider economic issues or historical analysis , will get you told off Bill – did you miss the memo?
Was that memo circulated by the liberals4U crowd?
I got excommunicated a good number of years ago for mentioning the five letter C word. So yeah, nah – I missed it 🙂
Bill, it’s possible to disagree with someone and rebut a comment without being abusive. Maybe you missed the memo.
And you spent a lot of time and venom yesterday dumping on people who were condemning the latest Trump fuck-up. I’d argue that you took a pretty aggressive tone with Stuart Monroe, above, too.
Nice of you to notice that I’m not accusing you of condoning Trump. In light of that, it’s hard to see the relevance of your quote from Hanswurst, though…
You can say whatever you like about Trump. Nowhere above did I suggest you shouldn’t. Just maybe be a bit less aggressive when responding to others.
Well. Seeing as how I didn’t submit a comment in response to Stuart Munro…
Anyway. It seems your not going to offer any comment on the three broad questions posed in the original comment above, nor comment on the observations made in that comment either.
Just another sub-thread running down the drain….
R-B, like you I interpreted Bill’s summary “My enemy’s enemy can fuck off too.” as asserting that enemies of Trump should “fuck off” too, i.e. dumping on those that condemn Trump. But maybe that’s too narrow an interpretation, and Bill is saying that, when it comes to Trump, everyone should F-off.
I’m finding all the comments here (both negative and, incomprehensibly, positive) on Trump’s ‘fuck-ups’ informative. The unprecedented public circus that informs these comments will continue, and so will the comments.
I’d have thought it was pretty obvious that was aimed at liberal elites given that I was very specific in the comment (and have been in most others too) about who I consider the hypocrites to be.
Seems clarity might have nothing to do with anything afterall and reactions could just be down to straight up bias. Oh well.
Do I have to accentuate the qualifiers in that there last bit btw?
Thanks Bill, that might help, but I’m probably too disconnected from some PoVs to understand even the apparently simplest of statements. I will endeavour to keep these misinterpretations to myself in future.
Elements within the Democratic party have teamed up with neo-cons to push against Trump and get back to a situation where the US is aggressively belligerent in its foreign policy.
spikeyboy provided a link to a very good article on the goings on. (Here it is again – Glen Greenwald writing at The Intercept.)
Now (assuming you’ve read the above link), everyone who’s following the lead offered by the unholy alliance of neo-cons/Democrats on Trump, is not only undermining and marginalising those within the US who are seeking to build something for meaningful change, but they’re also unwittingly helping some very (how to say politely?) unsavoury characters and elements gain or regain their position of primacy within US politics.
Very helpful – sincere thanks for taking the time to put it together. So, neocons (still) loathe Trump (even though he has been largely bought into line on neocon orthodoxy), but presumably aren’t completely unhappy with some of his policies/promises (repeal ‘Obamacare’), and his support for tax cuts.
Paints a depressing picture of the stranglehold the neocons have on political representation in the US (and presumably even here in NZ).
Assuming the word “neocon” is a catch-all phrase with no meaning whatsoever: so far as I can tell, the gross melange of kick-backs, tax-breaks, rorts and special interests encapsulated in US legislation is about as far from “small government” as you can get.
Describing the denizens of the US government as “neo-cons” stretches the meaning to breaking point.
Then again, anyone can “paint a picture”.
Neo-con was the name given the “hawks” (that tendency) that left the Democratic Party in the 70s, aligned with the GOP and wound up in the political wilderness after Bush and Obama…but have now (it seems) gained favour and influence within the Democtaric Party.
It’s all in the Greenwald piece that is very much worth the read.
“Does anyone, for even the briefest of moments, believe that previous US admins and leaders of western governments and institutions have held these places (and the people that live there) in less contempt than that expressed by Trump?”
Yes, I do. I think that different people at different times hold differing levels of culpability. Some people try and do something good, some are utterly venal, lots of variation.
Just because other administrations are also varying levels of evil doesn’t make them all the same. Making out there is no difference is basically minimising Trump’s actions and culpability.
Did I say there was no difference or did I ask if any had held lesser contempt?
I can think of some who were more racist and whose pronouncements were at least as contemptible. And while at a push I could probably conjure up a piece of rhetoric or two, I can’t bring up an example of any western leader, government or administration that pursued or enacted foreign policies that ran counter to the inherent racism that lies beneath the economic exploitation driving liberal capitalism.
You asked if anyone believed that any other admin or govt held Haiti etc in less contempt, implication being that they hold Haiti in at least the same contempt as Trump. You’re second paragraph appears to support that.
Yup. And I’ve explained or expanded on why I asked in 4.3.2.1
I can’t think of any, who in your words, “tr[ied] to do something good” – ie, pushed back against institutional racism in foreign relations or set to compensating nations of ‘the Global South” in any way for the Norths racist colonialism and post colonial, similarly racist, imposed economic order.
Maybe I’m either over-looking or not aware of some admin, government, leader or policy.
imposed economic order
The Kyoto Protocol exempted “the Global South” from emissions targets at least partly on that basis.
Obviously it doesn’t say “imposed economic order”; it’s more diplomatic 😉
The UN decolonialization program?
The UDoHR?
Are these not attempts to “do something good”?
The Kyoto Protocol is dead, no? And I’d punt that the Global South had to fight for some modicum of equity. You reckon it was an expression of altruism on the part of richer parts of the world?
Fuck knows, they’ve had to fight like bastards to have any sense of equity included in subsequent climate agreements and accords. And rhetoric, as we know, is cheap.
Decolonisation was a somewhat cynical process of replacing direct (and expensive) occupation and rule with a more remote economic domination…and even that economic “lock down” generally wasn’t just given (if “given” is in any way the right expression).
And anyone who left or attempted to leave the “economic fold” was hammered – removal of democratic government and imposition of western friendly dictatorships etc.
UDoHR maybe nice words and maybe an expression of assumed western superiority.
And how many of the above were freely entered into by “the west” with the interests of “the south” uppermost in mind?
On first blush and just a little passing thought, I’d tend towards answering “no” to your question.
That’s more-or-less what I figured you’d say. Personally I think it’s toxic; a similar “burn it all down” “logic” to that applied at Ben Tre.
What you “figured” I’d say is irrelevant.
If you think those things you listed are example of western leaders, governments or institutions genuinely attempting good with regards the Global South, then some level of argument or reasoned opinion is due…not some vacuous bullshit about what ‘you reckons’ of what I think.
Your premise is that no-one “tr[ied] to do something good”. Nobody.
I’m satisfied that you’re wrong.
No OAB. You obviously need to either go away and brush up on basic levels of reading comprehension or else fuck off and have a wee think about lying.
My comments here have revolved around previous US admins and leaders of western governments and institutions (4.3) any western leader, government or administration (4.3.2.1) and admin, government, leader or policy.(4.3.2.1.1.1)
Up. your. fcking. game.
I don’t mind if you disagree (however vehemently) with what I say, argue or reason. But that shit – of lying and replacing others’ arguments with spurious nonsense you yourself have just made up is going to end in a dogshit on shoe situation.
Ok then, I’ll rephrase for clarity and comprehension.
Your premise is that nobody in the group defined as
I’m sorry for any offence you may be feeling if that’s not quite right either.
I’m satisfied that you’re wrong, and I don’t feel any need or obligation to engage with you any further on the matter.
Belief’s sometimes like that OAB – groundless satisfaction necessarily nursed along by the act of “shutting up shop”,
Belief…
😆
An unexpectedly self effacing or aware comment from you there OAB… 😮
Too cryptic for you, eh.
My satisfaction isn’t based on belief: that’s just some spurious nonsense you made up, which is funny, because you just got all offended when you thought I was doing the same, and compared me to a piece of dogshit on your shoe.
I hope that’s clearer.
So no self awareness afterall. Ah well.
(The “shoe” was a metaphor for the site btw)
Will you be ok?
He needs to clean up his own backyard before criticising other people’s backyards I would think. He has tunnel vision.
For the “but but but…….” crowd:
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-death-cult-of-trumpism/
Massey University professor of freshwater ecology Russell Death discusses the health of our waterways.
Luckily for him John Key and Nick Smith are no longer in charge – or he might be looking for another job (as Salinger found out).
Here are some of his frank responses to some questions about the state of our rivers and lakes.
The greed of industrial farming and a slack neoliberal regime has destroyed our environment. People should be put on trial for this – not knighted.
Herald question.
“What are the principal drivers of freshwater degradation? What pollutants, from which sources, are doing the most damage?”
Herald question.
“The latest stocktake by the Ministry for the Environment and Statistics New Zealand found that, of the 39 native fish species covered by the report, 72 per cent were either threatened with, or at risk of, extinction. How grim is the outlook for our freshwater species?”
Herald question.
“We’ve now seen New Zealand’s freshwater problems reported on by major outlets like The Guardian, The New York Times, The Economist and Al Jazeera. Do you feel our clean, green image is sustainable if we can’t tackle the issue?”
Read the rest of the interview here.
50 questions about the environment: Our rivers
Can’t argue if anyone ever describes NZ as a shithole country…
… and maybe the proof is on a site called Kiwiblog. Everyday.
Whether such a clump of shithead people with shitty attitudes is representative of the whole country and is enough to term the country as a shithole I don’t know, but there they are.
New Zealand certainly has an ugly underbelly with racist views that would not go unnoticed in Queensland, Warsaw or Alabama.
Herald question.
How has this (freshwater degradation) changed over the past few decades, and why? Where are the worst parts of the country for degradation?
Russell Death
The Herald has given up on saying we have a pristine environment.
Apparently, according to them, we now have pristine beaches.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11975358
The Herald must have been ignoring these news stories…..
Faeces to blame for 16 Auckland beaches too filthy for swimming
Dirty Auckland beaches to avoid this summer
It clearly doesn’t even read its own articles.
Auckland’s polluted beaches: the five big questions
This heading caught my eye.
Stephanie Rodgers on Boots Theory makes some good points to continue thinking about for the next 3 years, and these were made presciently, in March 2017.
https://bootstheory.nz/2018/01/15/2017-rewind-why-fiscal-responsibility-is-the-bog-of-eternal-stench/
The Herald has called it ‘weird weather.’
The Salinger effect means even more informed repeaters won’t call it by its proper name – c****** c*****.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11975241
Good news.
“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern pours cold water on National’s highway projects.
“We’d be much better off investing in some of those neglected regional roads, and in urban areas some alternatives to roading as well,” Ardern said.
“If you ask a local mayor, they will say, ‘Can you please help us with our regional roads, particularly some of the safety issues we have?’ ”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11975332
If this has happened then what is going to happen to Onehunga wharf? Seeing as it’s owned by the transport agency.
FREE AHED!!!
How many of this family can the state of israel arrest ? Well all of them of course.
Now they just arrested another teen.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/israel-arrests-another-tamimi-teenager
Edit: If you don’t know the story.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/ahed-tamimi-speaks-of-her-struggle-all-i-wish-is-for-palestine-to-be-free/5625807
Maybe you saw this story on the Herald online.
Kiwi sausage company grilled over ‘foul, disgusting’ image
I agree with the company.
People should know more about where their meat comes from.
This is where people’s meat comes from.
New Zealand Pork Industry Expose, Part 1
The company also said
I agree with the company.
Only a tiny fraction of pork sausages in NZ are free-range.
The vast majority of pigs in New Zealand live like this.
New Zealand Pork Industry Expose, Part 2
The company also said.
It’s a this stage that I part company with the company.
There is no way an animal about to be slaughtered would be happy.
As you can see from the video linked below, pigs are certainly not happy as they are about to be slaughtered. They are in extreme pain and distress.
A brave pig tries to save another from slaughter
The company also said.
I disagree completely with the company,
The right thing to do is not to eat pigs.
Encouragingly, the negative responses on Instagram to the sausage post would suggest many people would agree with me.
However, on the whole, the public in New Zealand have no idea where there meat comes from.
As Paul McCartney famously said,
So here are pig factory farms in New Zealand – with the walls removed.
More and more eating meat is not seen as distributing surplus to your kids and furthering the winners genetic lines. More and more eating meat is seen as a trophy wall. While one meaning is easy to argue morally against the later is not.
For most people they are living in tight economic circumstances and will eat what’s available to them on the open markets because there opinions are not reflected in government policy. This is how the 1/4 acre dream came about because planners wanted kiwis to be able to afford enough land so they could grow there own crops during a Great Depression that they where trying to grow away from. But this growth brings up the problem of losing institutional knowledge as new industries retrain subsistence farmers into factory workers. So they forget how to grow food, and 50 years on a great many kiwis have forgotten what it’s like to struggle because we’ve experienced 3% economic growth, give or take, year on year, and that’s dangerous because things can go terribly wrong terribly fast. And in our finest of hubris a great many kiwis believe that 3% can be maintained year on year indefinitely. As if a sudden event like a missile destroyer off the coast has been eliminated from the human condition, or rapid deforestation due to hyper-commercialisation has been eliminated.
1/4 acre dream
More like a mirage: all the so-called 1/4 acre sections I have checked are actually 1/5ths. Someone got royally ripped off.
“I disagree completely with the company,
The right thing to do is not to eat pigs.”
No it isn’t. That’s you attempting to set the narrative according to your own agenda.
Ffs admin/moderators, do we have to have this shit foisted on us multiple times every day?
These single issue warriors are oxygen sucking the life out of daily mic.
Haven’t people been banned for carrying on campaigns of this type before?
Don’t agree with some of Ed’s comments [these days I limit my consumption of pork to the occasional delicious rasher of crispy bacon], but find many of his/her links interesting and/or informative.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/05/05/402584436/tales-of-pig-intelligence-factory-farming-and-humane-bacon
Who decides what topics and ‘agendas’ are un/acceptable for Open Mike?
The same topic multiple times every day is just too much.
It’s trolling and attention seeking, pure and simple, to get responses from those he knows will oblige.
There’s no way he’s changing people’s opinion, especially since he’s become an out and out under bridge dweller, so it’s a futile exercise, unless the object of the game is as above, in which case it’s working out great for him.
There’s gotta be a better way of raising points and topics than repeated daily blunt force trauma.
I hope someone who can, will take the spamming issue on board and edict accordingly.
I’m actually really curious about how I survived the right wing ninja purge of 2017 😂😂😂😂
You must be a hero in a half shell. Heh.
Thing is, it’s a valid point. The other week someone was rounded on and criticised for posting what meat they were eating. This is the same thing.
Just like my gravy, it’s all about the consistency.
Idk what it is with this place. It’s the outrage that makes me curious. It’s about the PC Police trying to control language and censorship. Theres a reason for it. Because there only so many was to censor and the Stasi pretty much excelled at them all. Some people may think in there heads that that makes me a right wing ninja. But heh, if Yu don’t know the difference try googling it. Self educating is almost never a bad thing…
If that’s to me? I don’t know who you are, but you do make some points.
I can’t speak for others, but Ed’s comments and links here have (over time) changed my attitude to eating meat, and I am now genuinely trying to cut down with the end goal of one or at most two meat meals per week (that includes the bacon).
“We see things not as they are, but as we are.”
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/03/09/as-we-are/
I believe Paul was.
Some say he came back as another poster ….
Will you be eating meat tonight..?
Just did, and with vegetables.
Yup. Beef Wellington this evening. All home made – fav way to eat beef fillet.
You really like your echo chamber pure, ah union city greens.
Another topic you struggle with, if people have a point of view different from yours. Telling really.
You’ve got nothing but an angry chip on your shoulder.
And I’m not interested in enabling your twisted bitterness.
You have a nice day now. lol
Still not willing to see, or tolerate other people’s opinions. Nice to see you think your better than everyone else, you rwnj.
🙄
Can you use your words?
Or am I to assume your juvenile?
No, you can assume I’m the Judean Peoples’ Front.
Your a purist?
No, I think internicine conflict is another thing that provides ‘comfort to the enemy’.
Echo chambers are a dangerous place. Who the enemy by the way?
Personally I consider liberalism the enemy of people, you?
In this specific example, ‘the enemy’ refers to the merchants of doubt, deniers and fossil-fuel greedheads, although the thesis applies in any adversarial situation.
As for ‘the enemies of the people’, the Liberals can get in line behind Fascists, the centre-right, organised criminals and kleptocrats, insofar as these groups can be distinguished from one another.
” 🙄 ”
Quite right. This idiot doesn’t seem to realise it’s not the difference of opinion that’s the problem, but the daily dose of more of the same old shit.
Light weight arguments from chippy.
🙄 indeed.
ucg close minded on plant based diet, climate change, and more…
This is very poor-quality flamebait. I suggest next time you include a little bit of reality.
Ed/Paul is a troll.
The end.
“There is no way an animal about to be slaughtered would be happy.”
Really? – I know my animals are happy and free range right up to the point I have them slaughtered.
They are all happy and out in the fields like any other day – then nothing. Easy as anything.
You seem to have a good rapport with your future meals, but how do you know they’re happy? Feel it in your bones?
I was happy today, much like any other day – then nothing?
That’s the way to go – easy as, one day at a time, and best not to overthink it.
If you cannot tell is an animal is well cared for and happy – then you probably should not have animals.
So it’s an innate thing, something you and some others can ‘feel’, but not put into words? Maybe you can put yourself in their hooves/trotters?
Cats purr when they’re content, and sometimes when they’re in pain, sick and/or about to die.
BTW, Jacinda’s having a great time on ‘The Project’ tonight. Cat’s got the cream.
Yeah – Im guessing animals are not for you. esp cats from the sound of it.
Your guess is dead wrong, James, at least on this occasion.
Which is surprising for someone with so much innate empathy. Did you ever consider training as a vet?
Weka, much like human animals, having a good life and being happy are not completely corelated. Animals are not machines; their behavioural responses are not completely predictable. esp. as they age.
“Weka, much like human animals, having a good life and being happy are not completely corelated. Animals are not machines; their behavioural responses are not completely predictable. esp. as they age.”
That’s self-evident and teaching your grandmother to suck eggs, but not sure what your point is exactly.
I’ll second what james said. If you can’t tell whether an animal is happy or not, whether it’s got a good life or not, then best not to have them.
I can tell the difference between my cat purring from pleasure and purring from stress. It’s not a feeling in my bones (although I’m sure intuition is part of it). It’s observation, interaction and sensitivity. Same with other animals I have been around.
Having said that, there are plenty of people who think animals are ok but the people are pretty clueless. I’ve seen people argue that fish aren’t distressed when hooked and pulled up onto a beach. That’s just daft. Not hard to see how that kind of justification can be applied to other animals being killed for food, but also pets.
And it is known animals know they are about to be slaughtered and get highly stressed.
Does James send his cows to a slaughter house? If so , that is very cruel.
No – I have them killed out the back.
Yep when I was life styling that was what we did too, and so much better. I have been reading about Carbon sequestration in soils recently and the importance of livestock in the process. The important thing to do is to ensure that grasses and all vegetation for that matter is allowed to develop and develop a good root system because it is there that the soil organisms develop and fix carbon. Grazing to severely and cutting back too much causes the plant to die back and then have to start all over again – and this actually releases carbon.
A good overview of the topic by the FAO is here:
http://www.fao.org/soils-portal/soil-management/soil-carbon-sequestration/en/
and how improved grazing management increases carbon sequestration.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4490272/
Extensive cropping for grains actually depletes soil carbon.
I agree Ed, or at least, some animals get stressed depending on the situation. There is a difference between home kill and sending animals to the abattoir.
All things die at some point, the ethics for me are in how we do that to the extent we have a choice.
James’ animals wouldn’t have been born at all if he wasn’t intending to eat them.
So, by that reasoning, it’s OK to farm people for organs? And people bred to be slaves should be happy that they got a chance at life? After all, they wouldn’t have been born if we didn’t intend to use them…
The fact is, we don’t need to kill animals for food. Maybe our ancestors did, but we don’t. People who continue to eat animals are making a choice. Personally, I choose not to eat animals and not to contribute to suffering and killing (eg the slaughter of bobby claves) through eating animal products.
That choice was originally based solely on the issue of animal rights. Over the years, I’ve learned more about the environmental consequences of farming animals, and that’s reinforced my decision.
“So, by that reasoning, it’s OK to farm people for organs? And people bred to be slaves should be happy that they got a chance at life? After all, they wouldn’t have been born if we didn’t intend to use them…”
Only if you think slavery is ok, which I obviously don’t.
“The fact is, we don’t need to kill animals for food.”
Depends on whether you are arguing biology, ecology, or animal welfare. Very hard for humans to reproduce over time on a vegan diet (that’s why there are no vegan cultures). Once you get past the first few generations shit goes down hill (lots of people give up during the first generation).
One of course could argue that humans should give up their ability to reproduce so freely. I’d be happy to have that conversation.
I choose to eat animal products for health reasons (no, don’t at me about nutrition, I am very well informed and experienced), but my original shift from being a long term vegetarian with limited dairy to eating meat was because I was reading about Peak Oil and could see that eating a diet composed of so much imported food left me at risk should we have to transition fast to a post-PO state.
That led me to looking at ethical eating more broadly than the rights of individual animals, and to ecosystem rights and the rights of nature. Vegetarians who rely on big ag do just as much damage to the planet as those who eat meat. I choose as much as I can to eat local and ethical in terms of the whole environment, with attention paid to animal welfare.
The rabbit I eat that a friend shoots is exponentially more ethical environmentally than the vegan eating monsanto grown soy that’s been industrially processed and shipped across the globe. I get good protein and I help keep the rabbits in check that are decimating the environment and my friend gets a trade (good nutrition, environmental protection and local economy with very small carbon emissions). She’s a pretty good shot, so there is limited suffering for the rabbits (they don’t even know they’re about to die).
I also practice an inclusive philosophy, so I am good with people who are omnivores, vegetarian, vegan, whatever, so long as (a) they’re not politically fundamentalist with it, and (b) they don’t misrepresent evidence around climate change and the environment (Paul regularly does both).
Love the point about your Rabbit.
I suspect my locally reared, sourced, butchered and sold meat has less of a carbon footprint than imported soy, rice and mung beans.
Regardless of the daily propaganda, being green and an omnivore are not an anathema.
It’s one of my sore points that people of conscience are choosing veganism over eating local. It’s not what we eat, but how we eat that matters in environmental terms. So yep, your local meat does far better than imported soy, providing you are not eating shitloads, and the meat is being killed locally too. Unfortunately in NZ so much local meat is sourced from animals that have been transported and then the meat transported again. The solution too that is to have local slaughtering but that needs enough people wanting it and choosing veganism takes us further from local food not closer.
Also good is if the animals are raised as part of regenag farming, and again we need local people demanding that, not vegans ignoring that and letting farmers do what they have to to survive (i.e. industrial farming). Biggest thing we could do in NZ to help restore farmland and the flow on effects is help farmers develop alternative models of selling than what they generally are locked into now.
“James’ animals wouldn’t have been born at all if he wasn’t intending to eat them.”
That’s incorrect- they were already born when I purchased them. I don’t breed.
If people weren’t buying them (i.e. we were all vegan), then they would never be bred.
I get that and agree.
No you don’t know that jimbo. In the unlikely event that you’re a lot less callous than you seem, you hope they aren’t. A bit.
Gabs
I do know – my animals are very well cared for – and there is little else that could be done to make them happier. Lots of grass, water, shade in all paddocks.
I run less units of stock than I could to ensure that they have room and food.
and I can afford a vet when there is a problem.
I’m curious how you do the slaughter too. Is it home kill?
Yes – Homekill. We keep animals that we eat.
With the sheep – I used to just slit their throats, and that was OK, albeit messy.
We now do them the same as the cows, which we have always used homekill professionals – a quick shot to the head and its all over.
We leave the animals in their fields until about a week before “d-day” – them I move them to a smaller field that has lots of trees around it, basically allowing the animal to relax and be comfortable in its new surroundings. The small field has an open ‘kill run’ which after a week I move the animal into the kill run – which they are happy with as they have been in and out for the last week eating.
The kill run allows the homekill guy to just walk up behind the bushes etc, reach over and BANG! – all done.
As stress free as possible – and better than any animal will get in a meat works.
the lack of Adrenalin makes the meat taste so much better – there really is a difference in quality, which is why we do it.
“the lack of Adrenalin makes the meat taste so much better – there really is a difference in quality, which is why we do it.”
As I suspected , your concern is not the welfare of the animals, but rather your own personal enjoyment.
Is there anything you do where you put the needs and concerns of others above your own selfish desires?
“And it is known animals know they are about to be slaughtered and get highly stressed.”
“As stress free as possible”
“the lack of Adrenalin makes the meat taste so much better – there really is a difference in quality, which is why we do it.”
Two cows with one stone.
+1.
It’s a win – win.
Happy cow. Happy James. Wailing Ed.
Dead cow.
Happy James.
Yep. Especially when bbqing said cow with friends and family.
Is there anything you do where you put the needs and concerns of others above your own selfish desires?
If you really want to moralise about other people’s diets resulting in the deaths of animals, you should ensure that your own doesn’t involve that. The only way to do that is to stop eating. Good luck with it, I wish you well.
Thanks for the explanation James. Sounds pretty good.
How are your cows slaughtered?
Shotgun ?
.44 Magnum ?
A .30-30 Rifle ?
https://www.wikihow.com/Slaughter-Cattle
I read them your post and they just lose the will to live.
lolz
You are hilarious
Thank you.
“I read them your post and they just lose the will to live.”
Your animals understand and respond intelligently to complex human language and still you cut their throats?
Monster!
Murderer!
Captive bolt.
Thanks Ed, I agree with a lot of what you post, and you keep the place ticking over too. Ignore the naysayers.
Thank you.
Some days it’s hard to believe this is a progressive blogsite, given the number of closed minded individuals who are not open to new thinking.
Funny how this “new thinking” of which you speak has been familiar to me since the 1980s.
You must be a prophet or a visionary!
Nope, just paying attention. For example…
Are you saying all progressives don’t eat meat, and they can’t be one if they do?
Or all progressives are closed minded if they reject your daily anti meat propaganda posts?
I don’t get it either Ed. I would have hoped more here would be more ready to consider changing from eating animals killed by industrialised farming. But it seems not.
That doesn’t follow: James, for example, doesn’t eat animals killed by industrialised farming, whereas I only eat weasels.
😆
New Zealand.
For sale.
Canterbury farm sold for $17m to Canadian government approved by Overseas Investment Office
New boss, same as the old boss.
You’d have to be feeling a bit stiffed if you voted Labour or NZ First, no wonder people have no faith in politics.
Labour have been reasonably clear that they weren’t going to do much about rural land sales other than tighten up the OIO process a bit. However,
“OIO approval was given in November for the purchase in the latest round of decisions for overseas investment of sensitive New Zealand land.”
so Labour barely had its feet under the table at that point. That sale process would have been going on for months, not a lot Labour could do about that. I’ll be more interested in what happens over this coming year.
I’m in support of most of your barrows Ed.
But geeze, I think you’d be tough company. There is little joy in anything you have to say. It’s got a ‘Boy who cried Wolf’ thing festering.
I fear you throw your curtains open every morning and see a wretched bankrupt landscape.
Yeah there are crappy bits but we all need a taste of joy to make traversing the crappy bits worthwhile. Purveyor of Doom is not good real estate to own. It’s a position lubricated by fear.
Bring a bit of Ed joy to your posts man. We all already know we’re all gonna die.
What do you love?
I love nature.
Tramping
Philosophy
Eds one of those back whipping, hair shirting types of socialists.
He’s only happy when he’s miserable.
Actually a happy positive person…
And proud to be a socialist.
Ed’s socialist Paradise:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela_(2012%E2%80%93present)
james, telling more lies to make himself feel better. Why do the people of Venezuela keep voting in a socialist government if its so shit? Odd that.
And who can not forget that the exit polls in Venezuela match the polls – unlike some recent elections.
Edit: your link is just propaganda james, but hey, whats new.
Anyone who doesn’t believe there is a crisis in Venezuela is an idiot denyer.
No crisis in Nicolás Maduro’s kitchen.
Funny how you always side with the right wing trolls.
Just an observation.
That’s just not truthful from you. I’m very much left wing, and proud of it. I even vote for anti tory government left parties in general elections and everything. lol.
I doubt I’ve ever really sided with right wing trolls based on policy and ideology, but of course it’s a statistical anomaly that once in a while the same conclusion can be reached from different ends of the spectrum.
Funny how you always resort to lies, slurs and other insults when you get angry.
Just an accurate observation.
lol
prize for second goes too….
Whereas anyone who pretends Ed rates Venezuela over say, Finland, is a lying troll.
I don’t believe that’s true BM, as above. But you feeling that way was what I was getting at.
The way to win my heart Ed is tell me of the close to extinction bird you saw while out tramping. Describe what you saw and how you felt.
Then drop the link for the work people are doing to assist the specie’ survival.
I’ll click.
The world needs more Eds in my opinion.
It comes over as negative because his morals are being confronted every day and he is a seeker of truth not bullshit.
The fact that you’re attacking him shows Ed has already won.
Ed’s enthusiasm doesn’t come across as negative – it comes across as the zealotry of a relatively recent convert.
Short term thinking that leads to all the forests and farms owned by overseas corporations, employing cheap foreign labour, and paying no tax.
The New Zealand economy is not based on actual production any more. It’s based on farming for Capital Gains.
I doubt you’d find any period in New Zealand’s history where the farming was totally based on production. Even primarily based on production. It’s always required some element of capital gain for the business model to stack up, some times a lot more than others.
From the Daily Blog
A very effective message and image, don’t you think
So for 38 minutes the people of Hawaii knew what it felt like to live in Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen & other places US + allies bomb
Apologies Joseph my last post about the Gramercy Norton show I sort of made it about me but It all about you and your team getting to where you are and to winning. Kia kaha
Have just discovered a new independent source of news.
May be worth a try when looking for non partisan sources for world events.
https://www.newsbud.com/
Sibel Edmonds is the founder and editor-in-chief of NewsBud,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds
We’re toast if it’s 3 degrees.
Will post in more detail tomorrow.
Herald.
“So how hopeful are you, actually, that the world will avert the worst possible effects of climate change? Where do you place your optimism on a scale of one to 10?”
Professor James Renwick
“I am hopeful we can avoid the real worst-case scenario but I am pessimistic about the 1.5C or even 2C limit.
My gut feeling is that we won’t stop the warming until we are committed to 2.5C or even 3C of temperature rise.
That would lock in loss of the West Antarctic ice sheet, plus most of Greenland and part of the east Antarctic and would commit the globe to 10m or more of sea level rise.
Plus of course a big rise in extreme high temperatures, droughts, floods and crop failures.
Because of the delay time built into the climate system, it’s my feeling that we won’t take decisive action until a lot of change is baked in, so we’ll have a great deal of adapting to do.
On a scale of one to 10 for optimism, I’m about a three.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11962099
The implications of 3° are old news.
The same can be said for reality-based pessimism.
I hazard a wild guess that you will propose plant based diets and eliminating fossil fuels as solutions to these problems.
So what your solutions One Anonymous Bloke? Because as far as I can see, there are no longer any political solutions. The only option left is direct action.
That being so, revisiting the science is a little redundant, no?
So your solution is?
Edit: Because you link is a classical example of ” standing to close the elephant”, and what factional liberalism in action looks like. Can’t see any solution in there.
And as I said, I don’t think there are any political solutions.
When someone (eg: me, just now) says “that being so”, it means that they agree with whatever came immediately prior, which in this case is your remark that the only option left is direct action.
Lots of direct action is already taking place, from Ed’s recent conversion to a plant-based diet, to NYC’s recent decision to divest from fossil fuels, and also include monkeywrenching and cycling instead of taking the car.
I still think the weather is just going to smash things until the problem is moot though.
Well, the NYC thing is a political action. Europe and China are moving ahead at the nation level, and many of the sane bits of the states are ignoring Trump.
Trouble is, historically political action on any crisis usually came to late to completely mitigate the effects of that crisis. So we’ll have decades of extreme weather events and sea level rise, if not centuries. It won’t be as bad as if no action were taken, but it won’t be without harm (we’re already seeing it, frankly, for at least the last ten years).
Nothing will save us, and globally it might get up to black death / khmer rouge proportions. But not much worse. Veganism or not.
So your happy to wait then? Enjoy you life style, drive your car and bask in the slow decline?
Is it to much to ask for you to actually do somthing?
You agree that politics is way behind the eightball on this issue, so the thing to do is direct action, no?
“Direct action” by ordinary individuals won’t do shit now. Maybe 40 years ago.
The reason I don’t have a car has nothing at all to do with carbon footprints. It’s because there was a better, cheaper substitute for my needs. And I actually do think about my purchases beyond immediate gratification.
People indoctrinated into consumerism are not going to reduce their lifestyle voluntarily, and any government that tries to make them do it is going to lose votes on a massive scale. But the AGW mitigation requires both groups to act. So the problem becomes reconciling that conflict between lifestyle preservation for the complacent middle class and elimination of carbon use.
Which revolves around technologies for energy production, storage, and use. Sort that out and the V8 or even the bunker-fuel-powered container carrier will go the way of the horse and cart. The coal-fired power plant is already on its way out.
Doesn’t work, does it?
‘Iceland’s ‘pots and pans revolution’: Lessons from a nation that people power helped to emerge from its 2008 crisis all the stronger’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/icelands-pots-and-pans-revolution-lessons-from-a-nation-that-people-power-helped-to-emerge-from-its-10351095.html
I don’t think individual direct action is very useful generally. Collective action like the anti-war and pro-refugee stuff that has been happening in Britain has been good. Becomes more real when more people are involved.
I agree any government which cuts into peoples consumerism is going to fall, and fall quickly.
That said, one thing they could do, is a substantial cut in taxes for individuals who have never owned a car.
Iceland is a fucking tiny nation, and the discussion was about AGW.
There are many things that governments can do, but just shouting out ideas without consideration of the competing interests that would ensure such a government lost votes is not going to achieve policy change.
Tax breaks for people who have never owned a car will piss off the car industry and anyone who ever owned a car. Remember the beat-up about lightbulbs? Imagine everyone who’d ever used an incandescant bulb being told they were paying extra even if they switch.
Tax levies according to fuel use, on the other hand, might be achievable. But the really achievable policy might be making emissions tests progressively more restrictive, phasing out any carbon compound emissions by the same time as the EU bans.
The only people you piss off are the fuel sellers and the car manufacturers who were too slow off the alternative fuel mark – and they’re bad enough political enemies to have.
You missed the subtally of my point, a reduction in tax for people who never owned a car. Not an increase of tax for others, a reduction.
And you missed that merely changing to lightbulbs that would save people money caused a fucking nightmare of bullshit.
Crosby Textor would spontaneously orgasm at the thought of your proposal.
Luxury cars make up 65% of automakers profits and super cars make 35% of profits so production car owners are pretty much getting a free ride.
So this meme that says the 1% own 50% of the wealth and 50% of the income, all it means is the rest have zero say in how there surplus is distributed. And that’s a consequence of marginalising unions. Workers just have no power any more. They’re a modern day Luddite.
“And you missed that merely changing to lightbulbs that would save people money caused a fucking nightmare of bullshit.”
You’re wasting your time. He’s a dreamer, and while there’s nothing inherently wrong with that, after all, most of us here spent 9 years dreaming of the day our votes changed the national government, this one’s a bit ‘épais comme deux planches courtes’.
The point was also made below that if cc is to be seriously and rapidly addressed, then having 40 green mps leading a government, for example, will effect more change than anarchic direct action, as the will of the people at the ballot box gives the mandate to act.
Yes, we can make personal decisions to use led bulbs, reduce consumption and waste, limit the use of fossil fuels, like a lot of us already do, and have for many years, but there’s no way, other than through mandated political policy, that 99% of voting kiwis will accept a rapid change in direction, therefore I conclude, the answer is to win hearts and minds to achieve cc goals before planning our adventures on fury road.
“And as I said, I don’t think there are any political solutions.”
Of course there are political solutions. If people voted green led governments instead of holding on to student dreams of changing the system, then the world would be a much better place.
Voting for a mp electorate candidate and completely ignoring the party vote, won’t do shit. If there were 40 green mps in our coalition, then maybe, yeah.
It’s hypocritical, and armchair easy, to spout the odds on climate change when you don’t take measures at elections to vote the right people in.
Try looking at the solution on offer, rather than your attempt to limit the debate again.
Do you even understand what socialism is? Because you seem confused on that, political economy? The role of outlying actors? Anything apart from this fantasy of 40 green MP’s?
Limiting the debate by expanding wider than your very short sighted, closed off ‘no political solutions’ rhetoric, and offering a common sense rebuttal that to get green policies which will seriously address CC expediently, you’ll need green led governments and the only way to get them is to vote accordingly.
Ah McCain, you’ve done it again 🙄
Sheesh learn some other ways at looking at the world.
Ever heard of intersectionality?
Here some reading for you, she one of the smartest people ever to live, may just open your mind.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/voltairine-de-cleyre-direct-action.pdf
So while you’re waiting for this anarchic direct action to provide you with a utopia to call your own, you’ll spend your time on the internet lecturing me about other ways of looking at the world. lol
Mate, you’re a blow hard with what appears to be sod all to blow hard about.
Keep dreaming and if us greens don’t manage to get it fixed, you’ll still have your mad max fantasy down the track.
Plank 🙄
I see you didn’t read it then, should have guessed. Is it becasue your to lazy? Or that you’re a smug tosser?
My guess, the later.
Definitely a bit of both, probably in equal amounts lol
Anarchist library. You might as well just have posted a link to student Rik on the young ones.
Try and ignore me now, if you can, ’cause I’m pretty contemptuous of engaging further with a slogan repeating caricature and stereotype, but please promise to write a long post when your direct action gets you further than insults on the internet.
You couldn’t even jump on board the cross party change the government movement last year. Solidarity, yeah, nah. Selfish ‘look at meism’ in action. I’m not hopeful for your success, but I’ll wait. 😉
What is up with laughing at your own jokes, it’s a bit sad you know.
That said, do you hate women, is that why you won’t read Voltairine?
Or you don’t read people smarter than you?
Your shot about the young ones is rather 1980’s isn’t, and in poor taste seeing as the actor who played rick is dead. But then again, you like your other rwnj mates, have no moral compass.
Hates women, cleverphobic, rwnj and insults the memory of the dead. Anything else, Chips?
I voted green at the election, you didn’t. You lack of authority in questioning my credentials about cc or being left wing just adds to the laugh factor when reading your student times, burn it all down, grrr I’m dissected 101 philosophy.
Call me out when you vote against climate change avoiding tory governments, or got involved in the greens, or when you’ve changed that system of yours. When all 99% of labour, nat, green, nz1st neo liberal voters cast of the shackles of oppression and follow you to the land of milk and honey.
Until then, dream on, kid. 🙄
You may have voted green, but you act and think like a tory.
You have been repeated asked by me what else you do, apart from vote, and failed to respond with anything.
All you are is a one trick pony of abuse who gets all upset when people call them on their narrow world view. I’d say grow up, but I’m guessing with your last attempt at an insult, that would not help.
By the way, your analogies are at best dull, at worst like you 40% green vote, utter buffoonery.
OAB is relentlessly negative.
Always grumpy- always dismissive of solutions – always knows more than the rest of us.
What do you think of my thesis that sloppily presented tautologies ‘comfort the enemy’?
Edit: “knowledge is not wisdom”, “ignorance is a condition we all share”.
The sandflys are that desperate that they us that they used that ass hole who abuse my wife for 9 years as bait. These idiots don’t know who they are playing with. I have all ready kicked his when I first found out he pulled a gun through I would run fuck no he put it away and tried to lie to me about the whole situation. In court he tried to say that it was my wife fault WTF he’s European and thats why it took 15 years before they took action against this parrsite because my wife Maori and he’s European like them. He had a family before my wife mothers one and he abuse those kids to his father hung himself because he got caught doing that to someone not sure who and You expect me to feel sorry for them. What about all the people in jail under bullshit charges mostly Maori. Ana to kai
Rugged mate. Hope the family is OK