The smiling snake bites

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1. So Bored 1

   25 August 2009 at 3:01 pm

   Money trumps every time. This is not about the status of Maori and treaty obligations, this is about a naked grab for assetts that exceed the value of the NZSX. Those grabbing are the backers of ACT and National, the same old crew of have too muches who to lay their sopiled mits on what you and I own.

   Maori are incidental to this issue, they represent a possible obstacle to the legalised confiscation and privatisation of public assetts. Its the same old story, the same class of people who started the Waikato land grab from Maori 140 years ago now are waging the same assett grab war against all of us (which includes Auckland Maori).
   • Bill 1.1

     25 August 2009 at 4:23 pm

     Agreed. Kind of.

     But a Maori elite will grab assets in the same way as the current non-Maori elite and like them it will co-opt a whole pile of representatives to legitimise their b/s. (Think Sealords.) The current white elite do nor want to share the spoils with ‘corporate Maori’. One day, when pragmatism demands it they will.

     Maori representation is supportable, but only as a very initial step on a road to substantive democracy. If Maori representation is the end goal, then it’s a worthless goal in that it will do nothing for Maoridom in the same way that current middle class/ professional white representation does five eighths of FA for pakeha.
2. marty mars 2

   25 August 2009 at 3:31 pm

   I agree sb.

   Some also would be happy for the maori party to beat itself to death against the rocks of national… i wonder why?
   • Craig Glen Eden 2.1

     25 August 2009 at 4:23 pm

     I agree it is about power. It will be interesting to see how the Rich Maori elite fall on this one. Also how long before Sharples realizes that Turia has lead him down the garden path with the smiling Snake. I suspect that when he gets back down the Avondale Market and people don’t greet him like they use to it all might suddenly dawn on him.

     ” Shit those Maori MPs in Labour actually are quite good and getting policy that improves things for Maori ”

     (grumpy) you are a dreamer. One thing Maori do have and bigots like you cant take away from them is TIME. The only people who hopefully will be moving is people with attitudes like you.
3. grumpy 3

   25 August 2009 at 3:54 pm

   There is no upside in this for the Maori Party or Labour. Voters are not going to tolerate a higher level of representation for Maori (seats per voter) than others.

   Time to move on.
   • Bright Red 3.1

     25 August 2009 at 4:06 pm

     ‘move on’ lol
   • Luxated 3.2

     25 August 2009 at 4:38 pm

     I was going to write a reasonable length reply but I/S does it so much better than I.

     http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2009/03/democratic-deficit-in-supercity-iii.html

     Basically what I/S is saying and I agree with is that yes Maori representation isn’t particularly proportional but neither is the general role (in fact its positively appalling) and that both need to be fixed before there is a genuine solution.

     Of course this may have been sorted out since that post was written (being from march and all) but somehow I doubt it.
4. bobo 4

   25 August 2009 at 3:59 pm

   Just an observation over last few weeks I’ve noticed Tau Henare sitting with Hone Harawira in the debating chamber looking like best buds. Is it possible that Tau knows that National don’t want him next election so now hes possibly positioning himself to Waka jump to the Maori party? Am I way off here?
   • Bright Red 4.1

     25 August 2009 at 4:05 pm

     hmm, and with Sharples set to retire next election, that would leave Henare in the perfect position to take his seat. But no, I don’t think so. Henare is rightwing and he was pretty bloody scathing of Sharples today.
     • bobo 4.1.1

       25 August 2009 at 4:28 pm

       Tau is anything you want him to be if it means a seat in Parliment , just ask Winnie.
       • Tigger 4.1.1.1

         25 August 2009 at 4:40 pm

         BR – The Maori Party ARE a right wing party…all their policy and actions are inherently right wing focussed – with a Maori tinged endgoal of course, but right wing Maori nonetheless…
       • Craig Glen Eden 4.1.1.2

         25 August 2009 at 4:40 pm

         bobo ,Oh so sad but oh so true.
         • bobo 4.1.1.2.1

           25 August 2009 at 4:50 pm

           I guess there’s always a slot on talkback 🙂 The JT ,Willie and Tau show.
5. The Voice of Reason 5

   25 August 2009 at 5:20 pm

   Spot on, Bobo. I noticed that myself during the Council Assets debate last week. Given that Tau has consistantly moved right since his union rep days, a move to the Maori Party should just about complete the journey.

   I believe Turia is also giving politics away to devote more time to trough snuffling, so there may be two possible vacancies for him to aspire to. Always assuming that they still have seats after the next election, of course.
6. Brett 6

   25 August 2009 at 6:03 pm

   The truth of the matter is,who else is the Maori party going to go into coalition with?.
   They get no where with Labour because the Labour party Maori are not going to let any Maori party politicians into any positions of power.
   So really they just have to suck it up and accept the decision.
7. TightyRighty 7

   25 August 2009 at 8:23 pm

   Eddie, maybe the Herald article was referring to the fact the Maori party are now walking the halls of power, something that, before nine months ago, would not be possible.
8. ConorJoe 8

   26 August 2009 at 7:19 am

   T.R :Walking the halls of power, jeez, even the cleaners do that.
9. tc 9

   27 August 2009 at 5:33 pm

   On the same subject of people getting paid to do a job of representing voters note a certain National MP still holds an akl city council fulltime position.
   Doesn’t discharge his ACC duties, grins the smarmy lawyer smirk when questioned about it and of course his leader JK is ‘comfortable’.
   Between him, the learn it as you go Bennett, the nasty and vindictive collins, a certifiable Smith, a spineless nearly out to pasture speaker, etc etc…..Helens crew were a bit tired but they had vision and ability……this lot’s a genuine wrecking crew.

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