The Trump White House descends into chaos

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Watching the reign of Donald Trump as POTUS has been like watching a slow motion train wreck unfold before your eyes.

If you want to have a concise day by day blow by blow account then I recommend the website What the Fuck just happened today.

But it appears that things are getting worse.  Over the past few days:

  • Donald Trump has directly contradicted his own White House spin and said that he had already decided to terminate James Comey’s position.
  • The Russians managed to get a camera into the White House and took photos of Trump and the Russian Ambassador in the Oval Room.  I gather the security boffins are having kittens about this.
  • Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe directly contradicted Trump’s claim that Comey had lost the confidence of rank-and-file FBI agents.  This was reiterated by Thomas O’Connor, the president of the FBI Agents Association, who called Comey’s firing “a gut punch. We didn’t see it coming, and we don’t think Director Comey did anything that would lead to this”.
  • Federal prosecutors have issued grand jury subpoenas to associates of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn seeking business records, as part of the ongoing probe of Russian meddling in last year’s election.
  • And the Senate intelligence committee has subpoenaed Michael Flynn for documents regarding his interactions with Russian officials. Flynn’s attorneys had previously informed the panel they would not cooperate with the probe unless the former general was granted immunity.  You have to wonder what he is worried about.

The feeling is strong that Russian involvement in last year’s election is going to result in charges.  And the White House is in turmoil.  How Trump responds to ongoing events is going to have a deep long term effect on America’s democracy.

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  1. Ad 1
    12 May 2017 at 8:38 am

    President Trump needs to serve out his full term.
    He is a joy to behold.

    The next set of questions to measure are:

    – Will Flynn flip against Trump now that he’s been subpoena’d?

    – Who will Trump appoint to run the FBI?

    – Will the FBI and the Justice Department investigate, or capitulate?

    – Will Republicans in Congress gradually generate a majority that turn against Trump and form an independent inquiry?

    And

    – Oprah or Dwayne Johnson for Democratic Presidential nominee next time?

    • Johan 1.1
      12 May 2017 at 9:27 am

      To Ad,
      The circus continues that is American politics. “President Trump needs to serve out his full term. He is a joy to behold.” You think, or is this your attempt at sarc?
      Perhaps, if Trump gets a decent night’s sleep his decision making skills may not border about the insanity range. I doubt very much that Trump will complete a whole term in office, there are way too many skeletons in the closet.

      • Ad 1.1.1
        12 May 2017 at 9:36 am

        He is a joy to behold because he is going to take the Republican majority in the House with him. This situation is going to get uglier and uglier and uglier, and he’s the guy the Repuglies backed to the hilt.

        • Johan 1.1.1.1
          12 May 2017 at 10:03 am

          Do you enjoy your trolling Ad?

          • marty mars 1.1.1.1.1
            12 May 2017 at 10:34 am

            he is just excited because he has a nice seat to watch at the Colosseum

          • Ad 1.1.1.1.2
            12 May 2017 at 10:48 am

            You need to see this as a renewal of democracy and of the Democrats in the US.

            Step back for a moment and see the patterns evolving.

            Politics is important again. It’s not the political team I wanted, but it’s doing part of a good job despite itself.

            Trump is not managing or reforming like Obama or Clinton did. He is wrecking. Just as he promised. No one and nothing is safe. As a result the Presidential office and Congress and the Senate are front and centre of public life. Trump will probably be jailed in the process – another great result.

            As a result, the contest within a calendar year will be down to the constitutional limits of all branches:

            – the military and intelligence community
            – the Supreme Court
            – the Senate, Congress
            – and the President,

            …all against each other, and against the fourth estate.

            Now that’s the kind of renewal that Washington has been needing for quite some time. And it will do the whole world some good as well.

            • weka 1.1.1.1.2.1
              12 May 2017 at 10:57 am

              In the absence of detail or even an actual vision I’m going to assume that the renewal you talk about will be a revitalised neoliberalism. Yaay. Meanwhile, what will happen to all the people that vote Tr*mp because they’re all pissed off with the status quo? You think they will be won over by some baubles?

              • Ad …
                12 May 2017 at 11:28 am

                The constitutional framework is different from the politics of the parties.

                • weka …
                  12 May 2017 at 12:49 pm

                  What’s the relevance of that comment?

                  • McFlock …
                    12 May 2017 at 1:04 pm

                    Well, let’s say that part of the backlash involves the dems taking both houses and nuking the electoral college, or campaign finance reform.

                    Neither will directly change the dominant policies in the US, but they will make it more genuinely democratic – which will in turn make the party positions more responsive to voter demands rather than donor demands.

                    Whether that means the end of neoliberalism in the US would be more in control of the voters, but would not be determined by the constitutional changes.

                    • weka …
                      12 May 2017 at 1:55 pm

                      “Well, let’s say that part of the backlash involves the dems taking both houses and nuking the electoral college, or campaign finance reform.”

                      Is either of those things likely? I mean, given the huge and organised resistance within the Dems to Saunders, why would it be reasonable to think that the powers there want things to change?

                    • McFlock …
                      12 May 2017 at 3:36 pm

                      Well, Sanders becoming a contender has shifted leverage to the progressive dems like Warren.

                      And the tea party and trump have scared a lot of “shear not skin” republicans.

                      I think the AD theory is that Trump being a cataclysm now leaves the backlash in a better shape than the creeping totalitarianism that’s been the post-WW2 US. If I’m not mirepresenting AD, I agree with them.

                      The bigger threat is a president Pence who progresses more and more Talibanesque policies under the guise of respectability.

                      I reckon it’s coming to a head, either way, in the next couple of decades, whether the US becomes more democratic or simply becomes another tinpot regime without even the pretence of free speech. They’re already arresting reporters.

                    • weka …
                      12 May 2017 at 8:15 pm

                      That makes a fair amount of sense (and I appreciate the effort at explaining). I guess I just don’t see quite the same potential for something good to come out of this. Happy to be wrong about that.

                  • Ad …
                    12 May 2017 at 1:35 pm

                    The Constitutional framework allowed for the economic politics as broad as Lincoln, the two Roosevelts, Johnson, and Bush 1 and 2. So you’ve made a wrong assumption.

                    • weka …
                      12 May 2017 at 1:53 pm

                      But the actual people in the Democratic Party are unlikely to change much and will be happy to shift things to the extent that allows them the power to continue with the status quo. Unless I am missing something, in which case someone can explain.

                    • Ad …
                      12 May 2017 at 4:22 pm

                      Stop worrying about the Democrats.
                      They’re not in power.

                    • weka …
                      12 May 2017 at 8:14 pm

                      ok, so the Republicans will implode and a magical new political class will rise from the ashes and transform the US political science. The Dems will sit on the sidelines and twiddle their thumbs.

                  • North …
                    13 May 2017 at 6:44 pm

                    The relevance of Ad’s comment, that constitutionalism ‘trumps’ bullshit (forgive me), sticks out like dogs’ balls Weka.
                    President Petulant Child seems to appreciate that The Constitution is there to serve President Petulant Child personally. You know that’s bullshit Weka so what’s the relevance of your query of Ad ? Your shifting of the goalposts with conjecture as to likelihoods of this or that does not assist to make relevant your initial irrelevant query of Ad.

                    • weka …
                      13 May 2017 at 8:26 pm

                      No idea what you are on about. Ad chooses not to explain what he means, so there will be people here myself included how don’t get it /shrug.

            • Johan 1.1.1.1.2.2
              12 May 2017 at 11:16 am

              To Ad,
              “As a result the Presidential office and Congress and the Senate are front and centre of public life.”
              I hate to burst your enthusiastic bubble, but the US Senate is not separate from congress. Congress is made up of a Senate and the House of Representatives.
              I do agree that the Democrats as a party need to get rid of a number of flaws which were already visible during the Obama campaigns.
              The nature of the beast which is US politics with its checks and balances, will eventually come back to an equilibrium position.
              US presidents do not go to jail, each president gets to have a “pardon, get out of jail free card” for past wrongs. Cheers

              • Ad …
                12 May 2017 at 11:31 am

                Trump is going into water even Nixon avoided. And Nixon was forced to resign.

                Forget your quibbling and read the plays. American government is going to come out after Trump shinier and cleaner than a dime in a can of Coke.

                • Andre …
                  12 May 2017 at 12:04 pm

                  Erm, after Nixon was Carter. Then Reagan.

                  • Ad …
                    12 May 2017 at 1:32 pm

                    Aware of both.
                    Go ahead and make a point.

                    • Andre …
                      12 May 2017 at 1:59 pm

                      Carter’s administration was relatively clean, but hardly “shinier and cleaner than a dime in a can of coke”. And at the time, Reagan’s administration was somewhat putrid, although standards have lowered since then.

                      So living through Nixon didn’t bring about the renewal you’re expecting to follow Trump.

                    • Ad …
                      12 May 2017 at 2:14 pm

                      Who knows what leader will arise after Trump?

                      It’s not the personalities that follow, it’s the system itself, which is going to be so profoundly tested that we won’t have seen anything like it since Lincoln. The shakeup is one almighty charismatic force against the entire constitutional framework.

              • North …
                13 May 2017 at 6:55 pm

                Somewhat sniffily semantic there Johan. I’d wager handsomely that Ad is singularly aware that ‘Congress’ embraces both the US House of Representatives AND the US Senate even if by usage a member of the former is referred to as “congresswoman/congressman”
                Thanks anyway for underlining what we already know. Big point.

            • D'Esterre 1.1.1.1.2.3
              12 May 2017 at 12:05 pm

              Ad: “You need to see this as a renewal of democracy and of the Democrats in the US.”
              Haha, good luck with that!
              See this: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/05/11/the-scandal-hidden-behind-russia-gate/

            • D'Esterre 1.1.1.1.2.4
              12 May 2017 at 12:17 pm

              Ad: “Trump is not managing or reforming like Obama or Clinton did.”
              Say what? Obama in particular achieved virtually nothing in office – the ill-fated and flawed Obamacare aside – firstly because he was shite at politics, secondly because he was white-anted by the neocons, almost as soon as he’d taken office. The same thing that’s happening to Trump, of course.
              As to the old goat Clinton, he was too busy screwing interns in the map room – then ordering the bombing of Belgrade and an inoffensive factory in Sudan, to distract public attention from said interns – to get too much done. Besides, he was absolutely in thrall to the neocon project.

            • Phil 1.1.1.1.2.5
              12 May 2017 at 1:43 pm

              You need to see this as a renewal of democracy … Trump is not managing or reforming like Obama or Clinton did. He is wrecking. Just as he promised.

              Your interpretation is fundamentally flawed. Going back to at least Truman after WWII, each US president has incrementally eroded the power of the constitution and the checks and balances applied by Congress – sometimes by staring-down Congress, sometimes with the complicity of Congress.

              Examples include Obama’s enhanced use of drone strikes, Bush-2’s sweeping new powers after 9-11, and the absurdity of American involvement in Vietnam being a “Police action” rather than a war.

              Trump does not represent a departure or variation from this trend whatsoever. All he has done is taken a much larger step down the path toward absolute presidential authority, instead of the incremental or baby-steps of his predecessors.

              • Ad …
                12 May 2017 at 4:17 pm

                Oh I’m not pretending Trump has a conscious clue about most of it.
                Or even his team.

                But the effect of a true, hard test of the constitutional framework and the full strength of the checks and balances is coming, right to its core.

                • North …
                  13 May 2017 at 7:05 pm

                  I wouldn’t be too concerned about the responses of self proclaimed lefty purists Ad. There is vast moral purity in selecting the greater of evils over the lesser of evils in protest at the whole greater/lesser of evils number. Such is purity chortle.

            • reason 1.1.1.1.2.6
              12 May 2017 at 2:51 pm

              Your dreaming Ad …. Competing factions of oligarchs is not renewal.

              Forget about ‘reds’ influencing the Billion dollar circus they call democracy/elections …. The accusation is dodgy http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/wikileaks-exposes-cia-exploit-capable-cyber-false-flag-attack-blame-russia ..

              Apart from the rank hypocrisy ( 31 min mark, the cia coup on Gough Whitlams Labor Government ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CFLpZcY3ss

              It is actually Nazi ideals , connections and money ….. which has warped their politics and blood-thirsty foreign relations ……..

              Delusional “gods greatest” propaganda sees them above and immune from international law….. on the basis of their huge military.

              They have a long history of support for fascism ….

              “Pioneer Fund’s first president, Harry Laughlin, “wanted the lowest 10 percent of Americans sterilized to ‘eradicate in-ferior people’”. Over 75,000 Americans were sterilized against their will between 1924 and 1972. The legality of the com-pulsory sterilisations was upheld by the
              US Supreme Court in 1927. The 1927 decision has never been overturned, and is still a part of US law.”

              Many of their biggest corporations prolonged WWII .,… by feeding the German war machine … tax havens were also handy

              “Thus, when the Allied troops successfully invaded France near the end of World War II, they discovered that they had something in common with their German enemies: Ford and General Motors vehicles run-ning on gasoline provided by Standard Oil.
              2
              Ford, GM and Standard Oil weren’t the only ones, of course. All in all,
              around 200 prominent US corporations helped the Nazis before and during World War II,”

              https://dogandlemon.com/sites/default/files/cars_nazis.pdf

              https://libcom.org/library/allied-multinationals-supply-nazi-germany-world-war-2

              http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/gehlen2.htm

              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3177385/The-second-life-Nazi-war-criminal-German-documentary-reveals-butcher-Lyon-Klaus-Barbie-fixer-drug-lords-went-run-South-America.html

              Trump ( and clinton ) are a damning indictment of a nation which feels free to kill ………… the Untermensch

              • Ad …
                12 May 2017 at 4:20 pm

                Are you saying the US government are Nazis?
                I’m trying to figure your comment out.

                • ropata …
                  13 May 2017 at 7:07 pm

                  The US legal framework giving corporations human rights, and a free pass to pollute and kill poor communities, is fascist in practice. However lovely their PR and bullshit about the Constitution, the US empire exists only for the benefit of mega corporations and the ultra wealthy 0.01%

              • Stuart Munro …
                13 May 2017 at 6:34 pm

                Sad to agree – Dahlian polyarchy in all its dystopian splendor.

    • Wainwright 1.2
      12 May 2017 at 6:25 pm

      ‘a joy to behold’ says someone who isn’t gonig to be imprisoned, extradited or left to die from preventable disease because of him. Honestly the way some of us treat this fascist thug as a bit of light entertainment before the great socailist revolution is revolting.

      • rhinocrates 1.2.1
        12 May 2017 at 6:36 pm

        Or worse, as a good thing because he will supposedly accelerate it. Omelettes and eggs and all that – as long as those eggs are other people.

      • Anne 1.2.2
        12 May 2017 at 6:44 pm

        …the way some of us treat this fascist thug as a bit of light entertainment before the great socailist revolution is revolting.

        We don’t Wainwright. Trump is revolting and he needs to be gone before he does any more damage. But in the meantime there is still a place for humour and light-hearted banter to sustain people and give them something to laugh about. It’s happened in bad times throughout history.

    • Tui 1.3
      13 May 2017 at 8:42 am

      yes! trump needs to be given a chance!

      ~tui

  2. joe90 2
    12 May 2017 at 8:50 am

    Michael Hayden:

    I mean I’m purely speculating here. I’m trying to avoid the conclusion that we’ve become Nicaragua.

    https://www.thecipherbrief.com/article/why-now-1093

  3. Andre 3
    12 May 2017 at 8:57 am

    How the impeachment might go down…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-republican-plan-to-remove-trump_us_5913d4d3e4b01ad573dac120?section=us_politics

    Or why Trump will get a second term…

    https://theconversation.com/trump-will-likely-win-reelection-in-2020-77362

    Maybe all that needs to happen is for people to just be nicer to the delicate orange snowflake and it will all settle down…

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/11/maybe-comey-had-just-hurt-poor-donnie-s-feelings

  4. marty mars 4
    12 May 2017 at 9:16 am

    The projected train wreck is wrecking – meanwhile the collateral damage to real people trying to live real lives continues – don’t forget who is really losing out of all this – the targets of the mango Mussolini and his pitiful crew and supporters – the poor, the disadvantaged, the people of colour, the Hispanic peoples, women, minorities, anyone who wants healthcare, and so on and on.

    some from within their privilege will enjoy the spectacle (including me) – others will cower down trying to survive as it all fall apart around them.

    trump is scum, trump’s team are cum and his supporters are um.

  5. joe90 5
    12 May 2017 at 9:19 am

    Popcorn, lotsa popcorn…..

    If you're curious why @FBI is raiding the national GOP consulting firm Strategic Campaign Group headquarters in Annapolis, here's a hint…— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) May 11, 2017

    .@FBI Dennis Whitfield, senior advisor at @scgpolitical, has ties to BKSH & Assoc. That's a Paul Manafort company. https://t.co/PfDJ4gfrQb— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) May 11, 2017

    https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/862740680787070976

    ANNAPOLIS, Md. —

    FBI agents executed a search warrant Thursday at an office of a GOP fundraising/consulting firm in Annapolis, the 11 News I-Team has learned.

    […]

    The firm is touted for pioneering the use of technology in political campaigns, and it represents GOP candidates nationwide. The firm’s website said one of its principles was formerly associated with a firm operated by Paul Manafort, who is the former Trump campaign manager whose business dealings with Russia are under intense scrutiny.

    http://www.wbaltv.com/article/fbi-searching-annapolis-fundraiserconsulting-firm/9639787

  6. mauī 6
    12 May 2017 at 9:31 am

    Response from Russian propaganda machine and conspiracy theorist Ron Paul:
    https://youtu.be/ST2XZ97sjIk

  7. Anne 7
    12 May 2017 at 9:32 am

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201843559/acting-fbi-director-contradicts-white-house-over-james-comey

    Incredible stuff – in particular second half from Simon Marks.

    Load the fridge, we’re in for a tumultuous time.

    • D'Esterre 7.1
      12 May 2017 at 12:20 pm

      Anne: “Incredible stuff – in particular second half from Simon Marks.”
      Lord! Surely you don’t take at face value anything that little hack says? Remember his prognostications prior to the US election? Heheh

  8. joe90 8
    12 May 2017 at 9:42 am

    heh

    9. What is the first word that comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump? (Numbers are not percentages. Figures show the number of times each response was given. This table reports only words that were mentioned at least five times.)

    idiot 39
    incompetent 31
    liar 30
    leader 25
    unqualified 25
    president 22
    strong 21
    businessman 18
    ignorant 16
    egotistical 15
    asshole 13
    stupid 13
    arrogant 12
    trying 12
    bully 11
    business 11
    narcissist 11
    successful 11
    disgusting 10
    great 10
    clown 9
    dishonest 9
    racist 9
    American 8
    bigot 8
    good 8
    money 8
    smart 8
    buffoon 7
    con-man 7
    crazy 7
    different 7
    disaster 7
    rich 7
    despicable 6
    dictator 6
    aggressive 5
    blowhard 5
    decisive 5
    embarrassment 5
    evil 5
    greedy 5
    inexperienced 5
    mental 5
    negotiator 5
    patriotism 5

    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2456

  9. joe90 9
    12 May 2017 at 10:06 am

    Comey was given the arse to bring the Russia investigation to its end.

    The White House said Thursday that removing FBI Director James Comey from his post may hasten the agency’s investigation into Russian meddling.
    “We want this to come to its conclusion, we want it to come to its conclusion with integrity,” said deputy press secretary Sarah Sanders, referring to the FBI’s probe into Moscow’s interference in last year’s election. “And we think that we’ve actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen.”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/comey-fbi-investigation-russia-sarah-huckabee-sanders/

  10. Johan 10
    12 May 2017 at 10:25 am

    To Joe90,
    Joe are you entertained by all the spin and BS? Trump being the ultimate control freak would definitely want a yes-man as head of the FBI.

  11. Andre 11
    12 May 2017 at 10:47 am

    Ya gotta hand it to the Chump. Even with all the turd tornadoes buffeting all around him, he can keep a clear focus on his top priority. His Twitter feud with Rosie O’Donnell.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/donald-trump-rosie-odonnell/index.html

  12. AmaKiwi 12
    12 May 2017 at 11:55 am

    Number 45 is ruining NZ politics because he is so entertaining. To paraphrase him, “Andrew Little or Bill English could shoot someone in the middle of Queen Street and no one would notice.”

    Thank God Number 45 is so incompetent. What a nightmare if he had the organizational skills of a real dictator like Putin!

    • dukeofurl 12.1
      12 May 2017 at 12:19 pm

      new Presidents are normally pretty clumsy, Trump has moved the bar a little lower thats all.
      Will his voters come out in the mid terms is the question, even when his name isnt on the ballot.
      Obama had his face slapped by the voters at his first mid term, its one track for Trump to get his arse kicked

      • Andre 12.1.1
        12 May 2017 at 12:28 pm

        Yeah, the President’s party usually loses support at the midterms. But set against that is turnout is usually low, which allegedly favours Repugs. And the Repugs actually gained in 2002, coz 9/11. I’m pretty sure that lesson has been taken on board by at least some members of Trump’s team.

      • AmaKiwi 12.1.2
        12 May 2017 at 1:41 pm

        He has been brilliant in uniting the center and left voters in their hatred of him.

        “Friends may come and friends may go, but enemies accumulate.”

        I predict the Republicans will get massacred in the mid-terms. Then impeachment becomes a mathematical possibility.

        • Andre 12.1.2.1
          12 May 2017 at 1:54 pm

          Impeachment by the House may become likely. But to actually remove the President requires conviction by 2/3 of the Senate, 67 votes. The Dems currently have 48 Senators.

          The Republican-held seats up for election in 2018 are: Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, Nebraska, Texas, Mississippi, Tennessee. So mathematically it’s impossible for the Dems to have 2/3 of the Senate, at absolute most they can get to 56. But realistically they’ll be doing very well to even get to 50/50.

          • DeadSmurf 12.1.2.1.1
            12 May 2017 at 5:26 pm

            If the rumours of multiple grand juries and impending indictments are true then I could see some repug senators moving fairly quickly to side with the dems. Especially from states in the north.

          • DeadSmurf 12.1.2.1.2
            12 May 2017 at 5:34 pm

            If the rumours of multiple grand juries and impending indictments are true then I could see some repug senators moving fairly quickly to side with the dems, especially from states in the north.

            If that happens then they could get to 2/3.

  13. Bill 13
    12 May 2017 at 4:28 pm

    That which passes for democratic governance in the US is in turmoil – not “Trumps” White House.

    This nonsense that Russia interfered in the election, where the bulk of the ‘proof’ for that is scheduled and aired RT programmes that engaged in such nefarious behaviour as having three way debates including Green Party presidential nominees… It leaves me speechless that otherwise seemingly intelligent people gave any credence to the pages of gossip that were released as an Intelligence Agencies report, but hey.

    Which (that and other paper thin reports) suggests there’s an argument to be had that the Intelligence Agencies have become politicised.

    There’s also an argument to be had that the bulk of msm reporters are playing the role of the stenographer and that their vacuous shit is being underscored by their employer’s editorial lines.

    Which may boil down to an argument to be had that a ‘realignment’ or an attempt at ‘realignment’ is underway within the lofty echelons of the US elite.

    But “Trumps” White House is not in turmoil. Hell, it’s not “his” White House any more than it was ever “Obama’s” White House.

    It belongs to the US elites and some of their nonsense ripples through it.

    Separate from that, sometimes they (the elites) are gifted a figurehead by the electorate who knows the game and plays along (Obama, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Reagan….) Sometimes not so much. And in those cases the figurehead is ‘enlightened’ as to the existence of the game and ‘encouraged’ to play.

    In essence, there’s a circus in town. We can traipse along with our pop-corn and give it our undivided attention, or we can give some focus to what’s going on outside the Big Top and (scary thought!) actually question why we bother with circus at all 😉

  14. joe90 14
    12 May 2017 at 4:34 pm

    I guess they can’t grind those drives up fast enough.

    CNN's Jeff Zeleny reporting that Comey's office is cordoned off with yellow crime scene tape. You can't make this stuff up— Will Bunch (@Will_Bunch) May 12, 2017

  15. Philj 15
    12 May 2017 at 8:09 pm

    For some reason, this reminds me of the Syria disaster. Somehow connected?

  16. xanthe 16
    13 May 2017 at 11:27 am

    this link seems relevant as context.
    pic.twitter.com/NDUk90Jp5q

    • joe90 16.1
      13 May 2017 at 11:31 am

      Link, where?.

        • Anne 16.1.1.1
          13 May 2017 at 12:18 pm

          Okay, so when the results came through they were shocked and stunned. Somebody said it was the effing hack that caused it. Somebody else said… and Coney made it worse. They were furious and upset about what happened. We call it “Dirty Politics”. In this case it was “Filthy Politics”. Over the next few days they openly repeated what they were thinking. Big deal? No. It’s normal behaviour from normal human beings.

          In fact it was pretty much my reaction too. Was I involved in some deep, sinister Democrat inspired conspiracy to fool the nation? No.

          • xanthe 16.1.1.1.1
            13 May 2017 at 1:08 pm

            But who was saying, “we fucked up”? who was saying “hey maby a dumb idea to promote Trump” ? who was saying “perhaps we should have offered something positive instead of just demonising Trump”? who was saying “perhaps it was not such a good idea to stack the deck against bernie”?

            Because I dont see this! all i see is “the russians didit” (bullshit !) and “Comey didit” (more bullshit !!).

            who is saying “hey maby if we had played a straight game the hack and comey would not have mattered” ?

          • Xanthe 16.1.1.1.2
            14 May 2017 at 9:05 am

            Anne there are those that fool and those who are fooled

            • Anne 16.1.1.1.2.1
              14 May 2017 at 11:05 am

              Regardless of the accuracy of the Democrat’s claims, calling a beat-up a beat-up is a common response to beat-ups. Imo, that is what that linked item is… an attempt to turn the Demo Party’s initial response into a sinister conspiracy. Piffle.

              • Xanthe …
                14 May 2017 at 1:16 pm

                Anne , If you cant see that “the russsians did it, Comey did it, is a beat up then you really are not in any position to call “beat up”

                i dont “support trump” in any form, I am implacably opposed to public misinformarion and misleading the public and unlike you I will oppose it whoever the target is. You ARE the problem for the left!

  17. rhinocrates 17
    13 May 2017 at 11:58 pm

    New Yorker podcast, discussion with a legal scholar:

    http://www.newyorker.com/podcast/political-scene/can-trump-survive

    Can Trump Survive?
    On Tuesday, the President dismissed the F.B.I. director, James Comey, who was leading an investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Evan Osnos joins Dorothy Wickenden to discuss how Trump continues to damage his own Presidency.

    Earlier article by Evan Osnos written before Comey’s sacking and mentioned in the interview:

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/how-trump-could-get-fired

    HOW TRUMP COULD GET FIRED
    The Constitution offers two main paths for removing a President from office. How feasible are they?

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