US Election Discussion Post 3/11/16

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  1. Andre 1
    3 November 2016 at 6:46 am

    Jon Stewart discusses his Twitter feud with Trump.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-donald-trump-twitter-war_us_5819a04fe4b0f96eba96e507

    Usual warnings about coffee, keyboards and screens apply.

    • Tony Veitch (not the partner-bashing 3rd rate broadcaster 1.1
      3 November 2016 at 7:32 am

      Lovely, Andre, made my morning! Vote wisely this November!

    • te reo putake 2.1
      3 November 2016 at 7:14 am

      Morning, moz. Did you spot the irony in that link? Key words: truth, hiding.

      • Morrissey 2.1.1
        3 November 2016 at 10:04 am

        Oh that’s right, Te Reo. I forgot you accept everything the State Dept’s black propaganda merchants have sold you.

        The old Soviet Union was adept at manufacturing sex scandals, including bogus rape allegations, to silence and destroy dissidents; you’re a couple of generations too late, really.

      • Siobhan 2.1.2
        3 November 2016 at 10:17 am

        Because it would be just down right silly to think that Assange would receive anything less than a fair trial in Sweden.
        And it would be completely absurd to think he would be extradited to America, because I’m sure they wouldn’t do that sort of thing, and even if they did I’m sure that it would be a fair trial because America are all about fair trials and open justice, especially for whistleblowers??.

        Yeah, no, if I were Assange I’d stay right where I was…even poor old Auntie Beeb had to report this…
        http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35499942

        https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/emailid/1112549

        I’ll include this wikipedia quote for those good people who don’t read wikileaks because of the “Russians”..
        “An email from an employee of intelligence consultancy Strategic Forecasting, Inc. (Stratfor) leaked in 2012 said, “We have a sealed indictment on Assange.” The US government denies the existence of such an indictment.”

        • Cemetery Jones 2.1.2.1
          3 November 2016 at 11:26 am

          We’re living in a time where American conservatives and right wingers all over the world are suddenly in thrall to Wikileaks, while Democrats and Clinton admirers the world over view them as a proxy for Donald Trump, who they believe is in fact a proxy for Vladimir Putin. You couldn’t have written a satire like that a couple years ago.

          • Morrissey 2.1.2.1.1
            3 November 2016 at 11:46 am

            Not even Hillary Clinton actually believes that Russia is behind the revelations of her criminality, because they have no evidence to back up their allegations. She’s desperate, and so is her campaign. The Russian bogeyman is a time-honored last resort for American politicians; the crap being propagated by the Democrats now is no different from the Red-baiting nonsense of the 1950s.

            • Cemetery Jones 2.1.2.1.1.1
              3 November 2016 at 1:18 pm

              Oh I know. Watching Clinton proxies remixing McCarthyism without a shred of retro-hipster irony has been one hell of a guiltless pleasure lately.

              What about muh KGB?!?

          • Siobhan 2.1.2.1.2
            3 November 2016 at 11:50 am

            I’d bet my last dollar that the Clintons don’t actually believe its ‘The Russians’. It’s just that for reasons I can’t quite follow, the public are all primed to swallow a redux of the Reds-under-the-bed narrative.
            Maybe its an easier pill to swallow than facing the corruption and contempt of their elected leaders. That being said, in the UK, the Daily Mail have been sabre-rattling and championing WW III for quite some time now.

            The fact that I get some of my wikileaks updates from FOX news…it’s just too bizarre…but then try and find good coverage of, say, the latest Donna Brazile, CNN resignation.
            Where is that story in a supposedly ‘reputable’ new source like the Guardian?. The desperation of Leftish centrist and sane media to make sure Trump doesn’t win has completely pushed them over the edge into total denial of issues related to Clinton.
            Issues that will seriously haunt her Presidency.

            • Colonial Viper 2.1.2.1.2.1
              3 November 2016 at 11:54 am

              I’d bet my last dollar that the Clintons don’t actually believe its ‘The Russians’.

              More than enough chickenhawk commentators do, however.

              • dukeofurl …
                3 November 2016 at 12:03 pm

                Its the only reason you love the Donald?

                • Colonial Viper …
                  3 November 2016 at 4:08 pm

                  100% sure it’s not the Russians

                  “The former intelligence analyst, British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, and chancellor of the University of Dundee (Craig Murray) – who is close friends with Wikileaks’ Julian Assange – said he knows with 100% certainty that the Russians aren’t behind the leaks.”

                  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-02/us-insiders-%E2%80%93-not-russia-%E2%80%93-leaked-clinton-emails

                  From Craig Murray’s own blog:

                  I left Julian after midnight. He is fit, well, sharp and in good spirits. WikiLeaks never reveals or comments upon its sources, but as I published before a fortnight ago, I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is not any Russian state actor or proxy that gave the Democratic National Committee and Podesta material to WikiLeaks. The claim is nonsense. Journalists are also publishing that these were obtained by “hacking” with no evidence that this was the method used to obtain them.

                  The control of the Democratic party machinery deliberately to unfairly ensure Clinton’s victory over Bernie Sanders is a matter of great public interest. The attempt by the establishment from Obama down to divert attention from this by a completely spurious claim against Russia, repeated without investigation by a servile media, is a disgrace.

                  The over-close relationship between the probable future President and Wall Street is also very important. WikiLeaks has done a great public service by making this plain.

                  The attempts by the mainstream media to portray WikiLeaks as supporters of Trump and Putin because they publish some of Clinton’s darker secrets is completely illogical and untrue in fact. The idea we must pretend Clinton is a saint is emetic.

                  https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/10/really-really-upset-foreign-office-security-services/

                • North …
                  3 November 2016 at 6:06 pm

                  Nah……CV loves him because Trump’s money allowed him to get draft deferment five times. And then call McCain a “loser”. And because trolling for a narcissistic fascist is CV’s way of proving that he’s the purest leftie on TS. Jeezus !

            • Morrissey 2.1.2.1.2.2
              3 November 2016 at 11:59 am

              …the Daily Mail have been sabre-rattling and championing WW III for quite some time now.

              Yet, oddly, I have not read of a single one of their brave journalists or editorial writers having signed up for the military.

              Perhaps they are “soldiers” in the Hilary Benn sense of the word….

              http://www.ffcars.com/photopost/data/500/chicken-hawk-henry_www-txt2pic-com.jpg

            • Liberal Realist 2.1.2.1.2.3
              3 November 2016 at 8:11 pm

              + Great comment! It really is a strange day when one has to turn to Fox for some semblance of the truth (maybe?).

              I’ve also been really surprised at some of the locals wholesale acceptance of Liberal MSMs pro-clinton narrative. Lefty cognitive dissonance at its finest! Ignoring for a moment how awful a Trump presidency could be, there is now substantial evidence of Clinton corruption in the public domain and yet some are content to put their head in the sand!

              I guess this all proves how powerful the Clinton’s actually are. In the face of everything that is known she still stands a good chance of winning. It’s unbelievable really, I wouldn’t have believed it myself 1 year ago.

              • joe90 …
                3 November 2016 at 8:18 pm

                Perhaps you could list everything that is known about the Clintons.

                You know, facts, and not something penned by fevered wingnuts.
                /

                • Colonial Viper …
                  3 November 2016 at 8:33 pm

                  Dirty collusion between the Clinton campaign and CNN, dirty collusion between the Clinton campaign and the Department of Justice, dirty collusion between the Clinton campaign and the State Department, Dirty collusion between the Clinton campaign and the White House.

                  President Obama also lied when he said that he only learnt about Hillary Clinton’s private email through the media (Obama had emailed Clinton on her private email address, using a presidential pseudonym multiple times).

                  More facts are incoming.

                  If you have any actual interest in the facts, that is.

                  • joe90 …
                    3 November 2016 at 8:48 pm

                    I did say not something penned by fevered wingnuts.
                    /

                  • joe90 …
                    3 November 2016 at 9:19 pm

                    But I’ll play.

                    Dirty collusion between the Clinton campaign and CNN,

                    Really.

                    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/busted-cnns-corey-lewandowski-tried-to-hide-his-face-saturday-as-he-stepped-off-trump-plane/

                    dirty collusion between the Clinton campaign and the Department of Justice, dirty collusion between the Clinton campaign and the State Department, Dirty collusion between the Clinton campaign and the White House

                    Feverishly imagined supposition straight out of the pages of Schweitzer’s slush funded Clinton Cash book.

                    http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/swiftboat-2016-why-buy-ad-when-you-can-get

                    President Obama also lied when he said that he only learnt about Hillary Clinton’s private email through the media (Obama had emailed Clinton on her private email address, using a presidential pseudonym multiple times).

                    1/Given the daily Trump mis-speaks and lies generated by fevered wingnuts – unremarkable.

                    2/Presidential communications are privileged so we’ll never know..

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 9:31 pm

                      I don’t have a lot of time to push back on all these counts, but pushing back on Obama using a pseudonym to email Clinton on her private server is easy to push back on.

                      Because the White House confirmed it.

                      From Politico:

                      In an April 5, 2016 interview with the FBI, Abedin was shown an email exchange between Clinton and Obama, but the longtime Clinton aide did not recognize the name of the sender.

                      “Once informed that the sender’s name is believed to be a pseudonym used by the president, Abedin exclaimed: ‘How is this not classified?'” the report says. “Abedin then expressed her amazement at the president’s use of a pseudonym and asked if she could have a copy of the email.”

                      …

                      The report doesn’t provide more details on the contents of that particular email exchange, but says it took place on June 28, 2012, and had the subject line: “Re: Congratulations.” It may refer to the Supreme Court’s ruling that day upholding a key portion of the Obamacare law.

                      It’s been known since last year that Obama and Clinton corresponded occasionally via her private account, but the White House has insisted Obama did not know she relied on it routinely and exclusively for official business.

                      http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-228607

                      Also how the Obama White House must have known about Hillary’s private email server – because Hillary’s non-gov email addresses would have been “white listed” for Obama’s secure Blackberry.

                      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/26/sources-clinton-emails-would-have-been-whitelisted-for-obama-blackberry.html

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 9:38 pm

                      Feverishly imagined supposition straight out of the pages of Schweitzer’s slush funded Clinton Cash book.

                      No, much newer than that: breaking in the last 24 hrs.

                      Assistant Attorney General Kadzik tipped off Podesta about upcoming Department of Justice investigation.

                      Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik tipped off Podesta and the Clinton campaign about what was going on at the Department of Justice. Kadzik, a friend of Podesta, will oversee the DOJ probe into Clinton aide Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner’s emails from Clinton’s private email server. “There is a HJC oversight hearing today where the head of our Civil Division will testify. Likely to get questions on State Department emails. Another filing in the FOIA case went in last night or will go in this am that indicates it will be awhile (2016) before the State Department posts the emails,” Kadzik wrote to Podesta in May 2015. Podesta forwarded the email to several top Clinton staffers. The email suggests the Department of Justice was biased in favor of Hillary Clinton, and Kadzik tip to Podesta was highly unethical.

                      http://observer.com/2016/11/breaking-assistant-attorney-general-tipped-off-clinton-camp-about-doj-investigation/

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 9:40 pm

                      2/Presidential communications are privileged so we’ll never know..

                      I have a comment pending moderation addressing this. In essence: the White House has stated that Obama himself had used a pseudonym to communicate with Hillary Clinton on Clinton’s private (non state.gov) email address.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 9:45 pm

                      But I’ll play.

                      Dirty collusion between the Clinton campaign and CNN,

                      Really.

                      Yes CNN contributor and senior Democrat Donna Brazile was shown to have provided the Clinton campaign to questions from at least two primary debates.

                      How is it that you are not up to date with these developments?

                      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3898722/CNN-boss-blasts-Donna-Brazile-disgusting-unethical-handing-debate-questions-Clinton-chairman-DNC.html

                    • joe90 …
                      3 November 2016 at 10:09 pm

                      Jared Kushner’s rag suggests all sorts of shit.

                      How is it that you are not up to date with these developments?

                      Oh, I am, so don’t flatter yourself sport.

                      Anyhoo, Lendowski being paid by CNN to offer impartial and informed commentary on Clinton while still involved with the inner circle of the Trump campaign is hardly ethical.

                • Liberal Realist …
                  3 November 2016 at 10:20 pm

                  Perhaps you could list everything that is known about the Clintons.

                  You know, facts, and not something penned by fevered wingnuts.
                  /

                  Perhaps you could attempt practising some objectivity?

                  Start with the Podesta leaks. Or are you also buying the “Russians did it” blatantly false narrative? 😉

  3. Andre 3
    3 November 2016 at 7:08 am

    If you want change, is it better to support a small fringe group that ultimately gets ignored, or work to help people like this gain clout within existing power structures?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kate-brown-oregon-governor_us_58064071e4b0b994d4c184d7?section=us_politics

  4. Pasupial 4
    3 November 2016 at 7:30 am

    This seems the perfect metaphor for the Trump campaign lack of respect for democratic process:

    Tuesday someone attached razor blades to a Trump-Pence sign, then used it to cover the official polling site sign at a polling location in Plano.

    Just before sunrise at Collin County College a precinct official ordered the sign removed, and a volunteer who was taking it down cut their hands on the box cutter blades that were attached to the bottom of the sign.

    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/01/a-political-stunt-in-plano-draws-blood/

  5. Andre 5
    3 November 2016 at 7:43 am

    Trump’s actual policies and how the media has steered the discussion away from actually discussing them.

    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/2/13483020/policy-stakes-2016

  6. Andre 6
    3 November 2016 at 7:49 am

    How polling aggregators are messing up actual polling.

    http://www.vox.com/2016/11/2/13496432/2016-polls

  7. Pasupial 7
    3 November 2016 at 8:22 am

    More Trump lies and sleaziness. Note the age of Creamer in the images; “in ten years [he was trying to be] dating her”:

    A newly uncovered video appears to contradict Donald Trump’s claim that he never knew a high-stakes gambler who was banned from New Jersey casinos for alleged ties to organized crime.

    The reputed mob figure, Robert LiButti, can be seen standing alongside Trump in the front row of a 1988 “WrestleMania” match in Atlantic City, N.J. LiButti wasn’t there by accident, according to his daughter, Edith Creamer, who also attended the event. “We were his guests,”…

    Earlier this year, when questioned again about LiButti by Yahoo News, Trump emailed a reporter: “During the years, I very successfully ran the casino business, I knew many high rollers. I assume Mr. LiButti was one of them, but I don’t recognize the name.”…

    Jack O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza, said that Trump and LiButti even did a business deal together. During a trip the two of them took aboard Trump’s private helicopter, Trump agreed to pay $500,000 for one of LiButti’s prized thoroughbreds — a racehorse he promptly renamed “D.J. Trump.” But when the horse later went lame, Trump “reneged” on the deal, O’Donnell said.

    Questions arose again about their dealings in July when a new book by Johnston, “The Making of Donald Trump,” charged that the mogul “lavished gifts” on LiButti, while also trying to seduce Creamer, who was married at the time. The mogul’s advances toward Creamer enraged LiButti, who, in Johnston’s account, threatened Trump, saying: “Donald, I’ll f***ing pull your balls from your legs.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-shows-trump-with-mob-figure-he-denied-knowing-090025964.html

  8. Chooky 8
    3 November 2016 at 9:16 am

    The Citigroup Corp:

    WikiLeaks releases 26th batch of #PodestaEmails from Clinton campaign chair

    https://www.rt.com/usa/365082-wikileaks-releases-podesta-emails/

    …”An email from early September 2008 outlines how Google helped President Barack Obama’s transition team to set up ‘secure data rooms’ for sharing information such as “policy promises, as well as legal documents like expense
    reimbursements and contribution forms”.

    The email from Obama aide Chris Lu, who is currently the deputy secretary of labor, explains how the “data rooms” can be accessed by staff – and emphasizes the importance of maintaining secrecy over their discussions.

    “The one thing you should know is that contrary to the log-in
    instructions, we’re not giving out “transition2008.com” email addresses. We think that would compromise our ability to keep this whole enterprise under wraps,” he writes.

    The secrecy reminder is somewhat surprising, given the role Citigroup played in picking Obama’s cabinet even before the election…

    Racism and backstabbing directed at their own:

    “Bill de Blasio labeled a ‘terrorist’

    “Wow. What a terrorist,” Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook wrote in an email on June 10, 2015 regarding New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio after he posted a favorable tweet towards rival Bernie Sanders.

    Clinton’s director of communications Jennifer Palmieri responded, “Told you”, while Clinton aide Huma Abedin suggested contacting him.

    Mook responded, “I talked to him earlier today. Clearly he wants to terrorize. Was all wine and roses with me.”

    DeBlasio ran Clinton’s first senate campaign in 2000 and eventually endorsed Clinton for president in October 2015 after earlier refusing to do so….

  9. Colonial Viper 9
    3 November 2016 at 9:23 am

    Real Clear Politics no toss ups electoral map:

    Oct 9: Clinton 348, Trump 190

    Today: Clinton 273, Trump 265

    Black turnout low in several key states and proving worrying for Clinton

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-voter-turnout-north-carolina-ohio-florida_us_5818c782e4b0990edc33acfc

    • Quasimodo 9.1
      3 November 2016 at 9:57 am

      “A real-time demo of an election theft mechanism with context and explanation.
      Demonstration uses a real voting system and real vote databases and takes place in seconds across multiple jurisdictions. Over 5’000 subcontractors and middlemen have access to perform this for any and all clients. It can give contract signing authority to whoever the user chooses.”

      • Chooky 9.1.1
        3 November 2016 at 1:21 pm

        …very disturbing that voters’ intentions can be corrupted and usurped

        …a corruption of the democratic process

  10. Chooky 10
    3 November 2016 at 9:36 am

    the Corporates and banks like Citigroup and Goldman Sachs running scared?…because the elites of the Democrats and the Republicans ( the Bushes support Clinton) have thrown their weight in behind Clinton…and Trump is a wild card who is NOT beholden to them

    ‘Global markets in ‘early stages of panic’ after poll gives Donald Trump lead’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-campaign-donald-trump-poll-ahead-who-winning-us-election-2016-latest-a7392711.html

  11. TheExtremist 11
    3 November 2016 at 9:36 am

    God I want this fucking death circus to end

  12. Chooky 12
    3 November 2016 at 9:55 am

    NOT the mainstream media…and a look at the Clinton captured mainstream media

    Hillary’s reckoning?

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/365048-clinton-scandals-fbi-investigation/

    “Hillary Clinton and her never-ending scandals. The FBI’s decision to continue its investigation into her use of a private email server presents the troubling prospect of a protracted political crisis. Is winning the election now the least of her problems?

    CrossTalking with Mark Crispin Miller, Don DeBar, and Bruce Fein.”

    • AmaKiwi 12.1
      3 November 2016 at 10:12 am

      I will not predict the Clinton/Trump election result but I will predict the post-election result:

      Whoever wins will not complete their four year term of office. They will be investigated into oblivion.

  13. rhinocrates 13
    3 November 2016 at 10:58 am

    Gleanings:

    http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/33592564/church-in-greenville-burned-and-spray-painted-vote-trump

    URL says it. It’s the Old South that never went away.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-donald-trump-twitter-war_us_5819a04fe4b0f96eba96e507

    “I think this guy’s trying to let people know that I’m a Jew… doesn’t my face do that?”

  14. Observer Tokoroa 14
    3 November 2016 at 11:05 am

    .Siobahn – with respect

    . How many Hackers do we need ?
    . How many persons should run away from Police enquiries on serious matters?

    . If Hackers can get away with virtually any crime they like, why can’t ordinary criminals do the same and get Compensation ?

    . Why don’t we just dump the concept of Law and Order – and leave the world to assorted lawless misfits ?

    .

    • Morrissey 14.1
      3 November 2016 at 12:03 pm

      Hacking is not an ordinary crime, not when it uncovers far greater crime. In this case, it’s a public service.

      Hacking is not “dumping the concept of Law and Order”, it is exposing and holding accountable those politicians who do.

      (Of course I’m not talking about unwarranted and illegitimate invasions of privacy, I’m talking about serious and ethical hackers, like the one who gave the evidence of the National Party’s dirty politics unit to Nicky Hager.)

      • Observer Tokoroa 14.1.1
        3 November 2016 at 12:38 pm

        .
        Hi Morrissey

        Did Nicky Hagar hack into any computer and data? I am unaware of that if he did.

        He used information that was given to him. He did so as a Journalist. He protected his source – as is normal.

        Whistle Blowers are important. But Systems software Hackings are inherently unlawful.

        I agree that if an employee or an investigator comes across criminal incident or material, there is a duty to report it.

        .

      • Phil 14.1.2
        3 November 2016 at 1:13 pm

        Hacking is not an ordinary crime, not when it uncovers far greater crime. In this case, it’s a public service.

        The problem is, you only know if you’ve uncovered anything AFTER committing a crime.

        To take an extreme thought experiment: Say you break into someone’s home, steal a bunch of stuff, and then walk into the kitchen to discover the owner sticking parts of their murdered spouse down the garbage disposal. Should you still be prosecuted for burglary if you call the police and they arrest a murderer?

        Of course I’m not talking about unwarranted and illegitimate invasions of privacy, I’m talking about serious and ethical hackers.

        Just over 100 years ago in western culture, attending some opera’s (e.g. Carmen) was considered the height of ethical impropriety. Opera was a disgusting debasement of the theatre. Meanwhile it was socially acceptable for men to frequent brothels, or strike their wives.

        Cultures change. What is considered ethical and/or unethical changes with them. It’s a dangerous and slippery slope to say “this form of hacking is OK because it accords with my ethical principles” when you have no idea what the principles of society may be in a decade or a generation.

        • ObserverTokoroa 14.1.2.1
          3 November 2016 at 2:54 pm

          Hello Phil

          You have explained the inbuilt seriousness of Hacking.

          No ethical person would do a hack. However if a person was for example to hack and alter an aircraft flight plan, he would have doomed the passengers to an horrific death.

          Nations regard themselves as Sovereign. None of them, with perhaps the exception of Russia and New Zealand, regard themselves as perfect. They have their Laws; and their Goals. They also have their Defence Plans – exceedingly important in the current Age of Terror.

          They do not and cannot encourage smart ass computer Hackers such as Assange to violate their systems. He knows that. He ignores that. He boasts about that.

          He has achieved fame and lots of sympathy from uninformed girls. No nation however, will let him get away with his violation.
          –

          • Colonial Viper 14.1.2.1.1
            3 November 2016 at 3:58 pm

            Oh stop your pious bullshit.

            In this system, the authorities and the elite want to have perfect privacy themselves so the public knows nothing about what they are doing, while they are enabled to nosey about every single aspect of your own life.

            Former US intelligence head Michael Hayden suggests that the US has previously hacked foreign political parties as part of what he deems acceptable, legitimate intelligence operations.

            Former CIA chief: ‘Hacking foreign political parties? That’s what we do’

            http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/former-cia-chief-hacking-foreign-political-parties-thats-what-we-do-1587185

      • Liberal Realist 14.1.3
        3 November 2016 at 8:30 pm

        +1

    • Siobhan 14.2
      3 November 2016 at 4:31 pm

      You know OT, I could almost live with Assange being tried for the crime of hacking. But I guess the fear is, given the current state of American justice, that his trial and sentence will not be ‘fair’ or just.

      Look at the 20 year sentence handed to G. Gordon Liddy after Watergate, and he only served 4.5 years. (He was in the Special Investigations Group, and convicted of masterminding the burglary).
      Yet Chelsea Manning gets 35 years, with no possibility of parole for 8, though the government had asked for 60 years as a deterrent to others.

      Then we have this…

      “The detention conditions prompted national and international concern. Juan E. Mendez, United Nations Special Rapporteur on torture, told The Guardian that the U.S. government’s treatment of Manning was “cruel, inhuman and degrading.”
      “In early April, 295 academics (most of them American legal scholars) signed a letter arguing that the treatment was a violation of the U.S. Constitution”

      I also have a problem with this..

      “Some US lawmakers and commentators have called for Assange to be charged with espionage or for conspiracy to obtain secret documents, arguing that he intended to sabotage America’s foreign policy and endangered lives by revealing the identities of informants”

      To say Assange endangered lives is pretty rich when the leaks cover numerous examples of the US Government not only endangering lives…but actually taking lives, illegally.

      How about some of THEM facing charges??

      • ObserverTokoroa 14.2.1
        3 November 2016 at 5:26 pm

        .
        . Hi Siobahn

        . I can agree that many American sentences seem excessive from this distance. But as a member of a Nation (New Zealand) I cannot accept that an IT Hywayman has the right to randomly override the Sovereignty of any Nation.

        Our job is to try and improve the Governance here. Deal with problems here. And sincerely, I think you do that.

        OT

  15. Chooky 15
    3 November 2016 at 11:25 am

    (following on from grim’s and other links yesterday and the day before …believe it or not)

    This is dynamite – a psychiatrist speaks out …’The Second American Revolution’

    ‘Steve Pieczenik gives you an in depth look at how the military feels and is reacting to Hillary Clinton and her potential presidency.’

    http://www.infowars.com/delta-force-creator-reveals-coup-against-hillary/

    • TheExtremist 15.1
      3 November 2016 at 11:51 am

      You know you have gone wrong in life when you find yourself using infowars/Alex Jones as a reference

      • Chooky 15.1.1
        3 November 2016 at 12:02 pm

        “You know you have gone wrong in life when”

        …you put your head in the sand and choose to ignore what is going on in the REAL WORLD.

        (senility is the only excuse)

        • Pasupial 15.1.1.1
          3 November 2016 at 12:11 pm

          “You know you have gone wrong in life when”:

          You find it necessary to type the words; “REAL WORLD”, in capital letters.

          • Chooky 15.1.1.1.1
            3 November 2016 at 12:18 pm

            well sorry I prefer to listen to Dr Steve Pieczenik …the psychiatrist’s take on the dynamically changing “REAL WORLD” cited above

            ( he is certainly more knowledgeable and interesting than you…and your ‘real world’ comments…ha ha)

            …sorry darls….and have you watched it?…or have you put your mind censorship on?

            • Pasupial 15.1.1.1.1.1
              3 November 2016 at 12:23 pm

              “You know you have gone wrong in life when”:

              You find it necessary to type the words; “ha ha”.

              • Chooky …
                3 November 2016 at 12:27 pm

                lol…have you watched it?

                • Pasupial …
                  3 November 2016 at 12:37 pm

                  No. I have better things to do with my time than endure the idiocy that is infowars.

                  • Chooky …
                    3 November 2016 at 1:10 pm

                    …ah ha …so you have put your mind censorship on…that is all we need to know…a closed mind!

                    but others will take note and will look at that link….and will make up their own minds

                    DELTA FORCE CREATOR REVEALS COUP AGAINST HILLARY

                    Breaking intel from top intelligence insider claims anti-Hillary coup taking place

                    http://www.infowars.com/delta-force-creator-reveals-coup-against-hillary/

                    • Peter Swift …
                      3 November 2016 at 1:38 pm

                      “so you have put your mind censorship on”

                      That’s sad, coming from one whose hatred of a woman and her country leads to openly supporting a woman abusing 1 percenter, advocating for an alleged rapist whilst victim blaming his accusers and believing and spouting off Russian propaganda as if it’s the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Sad.

                      Forget mind censorship, I’d be more worried by your brain blinkers. lol.

                    • Chooky …
                      3 November 2016 at 2:39 pm

                      @Peter Swift …weird? (o)…where is your evidence?…is personal abuse and lies all you have ?

                      …do you have anything to say about what Dr Steve Pieczenik has to say?

                    • Peter Swift …
                      3 November 2016 at 2:46 pm

                      Points one and three you’re bang to rights, so no need for proof when every post you make ticks all the boxes, but as for number two, I can’t see a search bar up top at the moment, but you’ll remember in a fairly recent discussion about Assange, you backed him and criticised the women involved. Do you really not remember doing that?

                      As for you hating Clinton and the U.S, you can always deny it and say it isn’t true.

                    • grim …
                      3 November 2016 at 2:47 pm

                      No reply button to Peter Swift? how strange.

                      Probably best, he can not tolerate any differing opinions it seems.

                      best to just chill out.

                    • Peter Swift …
                      3 November 2016 at 2:50 pm

                      I can tolerate plenty diferences of opinions, even your made up backwards ones, but I won’t elevate those born from bias, hatred and negativity to the level playing field where my own reside.

                    • grim …
                      3 November 2016 at 3:10 pm

                      That’s ok then Peter, but don’t ignore the the information because of the source.

                      Put emotions aside and evaluate the facts, from all sources, use your own compass to determine what is fact or fiction, regardless of the source. peace.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 3:47 pm

                      US insiders a more likely source of Clinton email leaks – not Russia

                      Bill Binney – former technical director of the NSA:

                      My vote all along has been on an insider passing all these emails to Wikileaks.

                      If it were the Russians, NSA would have a trace route to them and not equivocate on who did it. It’s like using “Trace Route” to map the path of all the packets on the network. In the program Treasuremap NSA has hundreds of trace route programs embedded in switches in Europe and hundreds more around the world. So, this set-up should have detected where the packets went and when they went there.

                      And then there is this, also from the piece:

                      “The former intelligence analyst, British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, and chancellor of the University of Dundee (Craig Murray) – who is close friends with Wikileaks’ Julian Assange – said he knows with 100% certainty that the Russians aren’t behind the leaks.”

                      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-02/us-insiders-%E2%80%93-not-russia-%E2%80%93-leaked-clinton-emails

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      3 November 2016 at 4:00 pm

                      No reply button to Peter Swift? how strange.

                      n00b 😛

                      The thread reached the reply button event horizon: eight replies I think.

        • TheExtremist 15.1.1.2
          3 November 2016 at 12:56 pm

          InfoWars doesn’t describe the REAL WORLD, it describes the insanity that is Alex Jones

          • Chooky 15.1.1.2.1
            3 November 2016 at 1:12 pm

            …matter of opinion…better put your head back in the sand fast

            • TheExtremist 15.1.1.2.1.1
              3 November 2016 at 1:16 pm

              A matter of a vast consensus of opinion actually. Jones is completely nuts.

              • Chooky …
                3 November 2016 at 1:23 pm

                …many would disagree with you

                • TheExtremist …
                  3 November 2016 at 1:36 pm

                  Because for some reason people actually believe that world leaders are smoking DMT to meet the clockwork eleves and Clinton smells like sulphur because she is a demon.

                  Sounds reasonable

              • Colonial Viper …
                3 November 2016 at 1:39 pm

                Jones is a bit off the mark on some things, but on others, he has 100% more clarity than the corporate MSM. The same MSM that way too many people think define the boundaries of acceptable conversation.

                • Robert Guyton …
                  3 November 2016 at 2:36 pm

                  Has this already been aired, Colonial Viper? The Archdruid speaks:

                  “Barring any of the incidents that could throw the election into the House of Representatives, we’ll know by this time next week whether the bipartisan consensus that’s been welded firmly in place in American politics since the election of George W. Bush will stay intact for the next four years. That consensus, for those of my readers who haven’t been paying attention, supports massive giveaways to big corporations and the already affluent, punitive austerity for the poor, malign neglect for the nation’s infrastructure, the destruction of the American working class through federal subsidies for automation and offshoring and tacit acceptance of mass illegal immigration as a means of driving down wages, and a monomaniacally confrontational foreign policy obsessed with the domination of the Middle East by raw military force. Those are the policies that George W. Bush and Barack Obama pursued through four presidential terms, and they’re the policies that Hillary Clinton has supported throughout her political career.

                  Donald Trump, by contrast, has been arguing against several core elements of that consensus since the beginning of his run for office. Specifically, he’s calling for a reversal of federal policies that support offshoring of jobs, the enforcement of US immigration law, and a less rigidly confrontational stance toward Russia over the war in Syria. It’s been popular all through the current campaign for Clinton’s supporters to insist that nobody actually cares about these issues, and that Trump’s supporters must by definition be motivated by hateful values instead, but that rhetorical gimmick has been a standard thoughstopper on the left for many years now, and it simply won’t wash. The reason why Trump was able to sweep aside the other GOP candidates, and has a shot at winning next week’s election despite the unanimous opposition of this nation’s political class, is that he’s the first presidential candidate in a generation to admit that the issues just mentioned actually matter.”

                  • marty mars …
                    3 November 2016 at 2:43 pm

                    One of the few times I disagree with jmg. No one I know on the left is unaware of those issues indeed the opposite is true. Plus trump can SAY anything – his actions, which can only be deduced from his life, are the cause of angst.

                    But this is here not there so anything I say is quite irrelevant.

                  • Colonial Viper …
                    3 November 2016 at 3:43 pm

                    Robert – also notable that the Archdruid and his wife live in the middle of the US de-industrialised rust belt. They will personally know a lot of decent Trump supporting folk who aren’t deplorable racist misogynists.

                    • Robert Guyton …
                      3 November 2016 at 3:47 pm

                      That’s right, CV. He also begins his latest post with:

                      “Just at the moment, many of my readers—and of course a great many others as well—are paying close attention to which of the two most detested people in American public life will put a hand on a Bible in January, and preside thereafter over the next four years of this nation’s accelerating decline and fall.”
                      (My bold)

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 3:53 pm

                      I saw a cartoon the other day – ‘how does the swearing in work’ when Hillary can’t put her hand on the bible because she is in handcuffs behind her back.

                    • Stuart Munro …
                      3 November 2016 at 3:54 pm

                      I had a colleague in Korea who has returned to the states who is fairly enthusiastically Christian – many of her friends will be voting Trump on the abortion stance. Different folks, different issues.

                    • TheExtremist …
                      3 November 2016 at 3:55 pm

                      ” ‘how does the swearing in work”

                      You know Trump is also under investigation (and will probably come under greater investigations later)

  17. Cemetery Jones 17
    3 November 2016 at 11:44 am

    Google trend in the wake of Comey’s announced re-opening of the investigation…

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-01/more-bad-news-hillary

  18. Pasupial 18
    3 November 2016 at 12:07 pm

    It appears death threats are effective in dealing with the inconvenience of allegations of pedophilia. However, is this the lesson we want other pedophiles to learn from Trump?

    “Jane Doe has received numerous threats today, as have all the Trump accusers that I have represented,” said the woman’s attorney, Lisa Bloom.

    “She is living in fear. She has decided that she is too afraid to show her face. She has been here all day, ready to do it, but unfortunately, she’s in terrible fear. So we’re going to have to reschedule. I apologize to all of you who came.”…

    she was 13 at the time of the alleged attacks.

    “Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed,” the plaintiff said in an affidavit.

    She says that since Trump launched his campaign and received mass media coverage, she has been “subjected to daily painful reminders of the horrific acts.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/calif-woman-accusing-trump-child-rape-break-silence-article-1.2855631

      • Bill 18.1.1
        3 November 2016 at 1:04 pm

        The way that piece is written bears some comment

        Donald Trump’s followers are some of the lowest, most hateful scum to ever…

        Really? All of them? That’s how it reads – if you’re a Trump follower (supporter?) then you’re the lowest and most hateful scum.

        Oh. And you’re not only that, but you’re violent

        Given the ease with which Trump supporters will bring violence on the innocent…

        Demonising people with those broad strokes of a brush ain’t going to endear you to those Trump followers/supporters who aren’t violent, low hateful scum or whatever. N’fact, it’s more than likely going to make them double on down, and get out there and vote against the judgmental pricks who write this stuff. And since the people doing the writing closely associate with the Democrats and the establishment.

        I mean, on top of the likelihood that many Trump supporters are possibly willing to vote for anything that isn’t the same Rep/Dem establishment that has done them over and ‘rubbed them out’ these past…since whenever Reagan…on the off chance that “different” might be better, or at least not as bad in the same intolerable way that bad has been since ‘whenever Reagan’ , I’d have thought the least intelligent thing to do would be to do exactly this kind of shit that’s being done.

        Nothing learned from BREXIT, Corbyn, Sanders, independence ref etc?

        Seems not.

        • rhinocrates 18.1.1.1
          3 November 2016 at 1:10 pm

          Forget the tone policing and look at the death threats and gas chamber references. Any sane, decent people should be ashamed to be associated with this. Nothing learned from the Third Reich either it seems… or too much.

          If you’re so concerned about maintaining a properly delicate tone, perhaps you can suggest to Trump’s shills that they should confront this crap?

          If I’m a “judgemental prick” because I dread and despise Nazism, good. I’m sorry your monocle fell in your tea.

          • Bill 18.1.1.1.1
            3 November 2016 at 1:26 pm

            Did I say you were a judgmental prick? Do I wear a monocle? Was I drinking tea?

            Pointing to the stupidity of demonising all types of people just because of who they will likely vote for, while routinely refusing to look at any actual reasons why they might be voting that way isn’t ‘tone policing’.

            • rhinocrates 18.1.1.1.1.1
              3 November 2016 at 2:43 pm

              You’re right, I should have called it concern trolling.

              I’m sure a lot of very nice people voted for tyrants. They deserve to have it pointed out to them what they are aiding and abetting and that maybe it won’t get them what they want.

              I’m done caring about the delicate feelings of the poor snowflakes who turn a blind eye to death threats, church burning, and Nazism done in their name. They need to know shame.

              They can show up at their Orange Jesus’ rallies and show placards saying that they condemn this at least instead of baying for Mexican blood.

              Perhaps you’ve heard of this guy:

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_…

              • grim …
                3 November 2016 at 3:32 pm

                wait are you talking about Trump supporters or Hillary supporters?

                • rhinocrates …
                  3 November 2016 at 3:40 pm

                  Oh false equivalence again? Get back to me when the official KKK newspaper and the American Nazi Party stop endorsing Trump.

                  Because when you find yourself marching alongside them, you have to ask yourself whether you’re going in the right direction.

                  • Macro …
                    3 November 2016 at 4:09 pm

                    Because when you find yourself marching alongside them, you have to ask yourself whether you’re going in the right direction.

                    Quoted for Truth.

                    • grim …
                      3 November 2016 at 4:17 pm

                      How True Marco? , care to explain?

                      http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/sources-nypd-looking-to-press-charges-against-bill-clinton-for-underage-sex-ring/

                      Sources within the New York Police Department are confirming that the NYPD is currently investigating allegations that Bill Clinton performed sexual acts on underage girls ranging from 5 to 14 years old in recent years. These reports have been confirmed my multiple others, and it appears that the NYPD is closing in on the former President.

                    • rhinocrates …
                      3 November 2016 at 4:24 pm

                      Gosh, good thing Bill Clinton isn’t running for President!

                      Christian Times? Unnamed “sources”? About as obsessive and reliable as Infowars… oh right, of course…

                    • Macro …
                      3 November 2016 at 5:47 pm

                      🙄
                      It may have escaped your attention – but Bill Clinton is not running for President. He last ran for President in 1996.

                      On the other hand, your paragon of virtue does stand so accused, and from a “association” with Epstein – which as per normal – he denies:
                      “(the) woman using the name Katie Johnson had named Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein in a $100 million lawsuit, accusing them of having solicited sex acts from her at sex parties held at the Manhattan homes of Epstein and Trump back in 1994 (when Johnson was just 13 years old):”

                      You are the one raising your hand in horror, at Bill Clinton, but when a law suit has been filed against an actual candidate (Trump) and there are more than a dozen other women who are brave enough to support similar allegations, you overlook these matters as nothing! Double standards??

                      However when a candidate is supported by such associations as neo Nazi and racist “clans” (which have been involved in murder and terror activities) it is time to consider whether such a candidate is truly representing the best interests of a country.

                  • grim …
                    3 November 2016 at 4:13 pm

                    I wouldn’t accuse you of being in step with the worst of Hillary’s supporters, thank you for exposing your mind set though,
                    nice insight.

                    • rhinocrates …
                      3 November 2016 at 4:14 pm

                      A false equivalence – again. That is your mind set.

                      Where have I supported Hilary? Cite please.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 4:32 pm

                      rhinocrates get lost mate. Hillary Bullies online and in real life are intolerable.

                      Go check out the video of the homeless black woman verbally and physically abused when she tried to protect Donald Trump’s Hollywood footpath star.

                      Scott Adams describes perfectly how Clinton has greenlighted the abusive behaviour of Hillary Bullies.

                      Team Clinton has succeeded in perpetuating one of the greatest evils I have seen in my lifetime. Her side has branded Trump supporters (40%+ of voters) as Nazis, sexists, homophobes, racists, and a few other fighting words. Their argument is built on confirmation bias and persuasion. But facts don’t matter because facts never matter in politics. What matters is that Clinton’s framing of Trump provides moral cover for any bullying behavior online or in person. No one can be a bad person for opposing Hitler, right?

                      http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152293480726/the-bully-party

                      Where have I supported Hilary? Cite please.

                      No of course not, you just spend 95% of your comments slamming Trump and Trump supporters like myself.

                      Disingenuous.

                    • TheExtremist …
                      3 November 2016 at 4:42 pm

                      “No of course not, you just spend 95% of your comments slamming Trump and Trump supporters like myself.”

                      It’s because Trump is a misogynist bully and sex offender you openly support him is why you and him are slammed. Not because anyone particulalry likes Clinton.

                      This has been pointed out to you many many times

                    • rhinocrates …
                      3 November 2016 at 4:45 pm

                      rhinocrates get lost mate.

                      That’s up to the moderators. I don’t need your permission.

                      Hillary Bullies online and in real life are intolerable.

                      Diddums.

                      Her side has branded Trump supporters (40%+ of voters) as Nazis, sexists,

                      Oh no, they’re quite willing to do that themselves, or walk alongside them.

                      No of course not, you just spend 95% of your comments slamming Trump and Trump supporters like myself.

                      Oh you delicate little snowflake.

                      I’m no fan of Hilary, and paranoid projection of motives is not reasoning, so don’t misrepresent me… though of course I can’t force you, but I’ll continue to point out that this is exactly what you’re doing.

                      I just happen to believe that tuberculosis is awful but cancer is much worse.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 4:54 pm

                      It’s because Trump is a misogynist bully and sex offender

                      You’ve fallen for Clinton’s mass hallucinations too? I accept that Trump’s personal behaviour has been substandard on some counts.

                      But I think his bullying behaviour is on a par with Hillary Clinton’s bullying behaviour.

                      BTW if Clinton gets in, we’ll have a serial sexual offender back in the east wing of the White House.

                    • rhinocrates …
                      3 November 2016 at 5:00 pm

                      “Substandard?” “Hallucinations”?

                      Who is being disingenuous?

                      Serial sexual assault confessed and reported from numerous separate independent sources over decades is “substandard”?

                      Well, John Key would agree perhaps.

                      If you’re such an apologist for rape culture, why your condemnation?

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 5:03 pm

                      Trump has a decent, if still uphill, shot of winning the election. Why?

                      Because a lot of people believe that out of the two Hillary Clinton is the WORSE choice.

                      Think about it, smart man.

                    • rhinocrates …
                      3 November 2016 at 5:09 pm

                      Because a lot of people believe that out of the two Hillary Clinton is the WORSE choice

                      Unfortunately polls show a lot of Americans think that the earth is 6,000 years old too.

                      Think about it, smart man

                      Touched a nerve I see.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 5:21 pm

                      Touched a nerve I see.

                      What is that even supposed to mean? Seriously, try and grow up.

                    • rhinocrates …
                      3 November 2016 at 5:23 pm

                      What is that even supposed to mean? Seriously, try and grow up.

                      Now you’re talking to yourself. Better watch that. 🙂

                    • TheExtremist …
                      3 November 2016 at 6:06 pm

                      “You’ve fallen for Clinton’s mass hallucinations too?”

                      It’s amazing how Clinton is so powerful she can effect what Truml does and says.

                      Ths has been explained to you ad nauseum – it’s Trumps own words and actions the condemn him, nothing that Clinton says.

                  • Puckish Rogue …
                    3 November 2016 at 4:18 pm

                    You can’t really control who endorses you, I recall Kyle Chapman endorsing NZFirst for example

        • Colonial Viper 18.1.2.1
          3 November 2016 at 3:51 pm

          Thanks for the link.

          It appears that the Guardian has been infiltrated by the Kremlin or been bought off by Putin. /sarc

    • Chooky 18.2
      3 November 2016 at 3:08 pm

      “unsubstantiated” is the operate word here

      ( remember the false accusations of rape against Colonel Gaddafi?

      http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reveal-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/ )

      From The Guardian:

      ‘Woman accusing Donald Trump of raping her at 13 cancels plan to go public’

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/02/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-13-year-old-cancels-public-event

      …”The allegations have received less media attention than other claims of sexual assaults by Trump partly because they appeared to have been orchestrated by an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities.

      A Guardian investigation this summer found that Norm Lubow, a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show, has been associated in the past with a range of disputed claims involving the likes of OJ Simpson and Kurt Cobain…

      A Guardian investigation in July found that a publicist calling himself “Al Taylor” attempted to sell a videotape of Doe relating her allegations for $1m. It linked Taylor through a variety of means including shared email addresses and phone numbers to Lubow, formerly of Springer’s daytime talk show.

      Lubow was connected to a contentious claim, raised in the 1998 documentary movie Kurt and Courtney, that Courtney Love offered a fellow musician $50,000 to murder her husband, Kurt Cobain of Nirvana. Love denied the charge.

      According to the New York Post, Lubow was also behind a tabloid newspaper story that OJ Simpson bought illicit drugs on the day his estranged wife Nicole Brown was killed.

      When the Guardian quizzed “Al Taylor” about his true identity, the publicist replied: “Just be warned, we’ll sue you if we don’t like what you write. We’ll sue your ass, own your ass and own your newspaper’s ass as well, punk.”

  19. AsleepWhileWalking 19
    3 November 2016 at 1:10 pm

    Congratulations?

    Web archive captures the upcoming election results.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20161102023033/http://ftpcontent2.worldnow.com/wrcb/elections/elections.html

    • Colonial Viper 20.1
      3 November 2016 at 3:41 pm

      Still 6 days to go.

      I still see a Trump win of around 290 electoral votes.

      • Puckish Rogue 20.1.1
        3 November 2016 at 3:48 pm

        If a weeks a long time in normal politics then 6 days in this particular election means theres a lot more to come

        • Colonial Viper 20.1.1.1
          3 November 2016 at 4:27 pm

          Brett Baeir (of Fox News) via Real Clear Politics:

          FBI Sources Believe Clinton Foundation Case Moving Towards “Likely an Indictment”

          Note: the aggressive and wide ranging investigation of the Clinton Foundation by the FBI is SEPARATE and ADDITIONAL from the FBI’s investigation of Clinton’s private email server.

          (Hey McFlock, remind me of how squeeky clean and highly rated the Clinton Foundation is)

          1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.

          2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.

          3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton’s secret server on Anthony Weiner’s laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.

          4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is “likely” in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, “barring some obstruction in some way” from the Justice Department.

          5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton’s server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.

          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

  21. grim 21
    3 November 2016 at 4:23 pm

    some here might enjoy, and find this insightful.

  23. Colonial Viper 23
    3 November 2016 at 5:06 pm

    Watching breaking news on Fox News.

    The reporting that Brett Baier has done on “very high priority” investigations with an “avalanche of evidence” ongoing at the FBI is going to end Clinton’s chances of a viable Presidency.

    Evidence of foreign compromise of Clinton’s email server by 5 foreign powers – possibly enemies of the USA.

    Brand new emails found.

    RICO behaviour around the ‘top rated’ Clinton Foundation.

    • McFlock 23.1
      3 November 2016 at 5:22 pm

      Watching breaking news on Fox News.

      You really have come down in the world…

      • One Anonymous Bloke 23.1.1
        3 November 2016 at 7:20 pm

        No, he hasn’t. He’s exactly where he started: desperate for attention.

        • Colonial Viper 23.1.1.1
          3 November 2016 at 7:25 pm

          And I appreciate you sharing your attention with me. It’s very kind of you.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 23.1.1.1.1
            3 November 2016 at 7:40 pm

            When your attention-seeking failed you blamed Clare Curran and threw your toys. Get over it. You’re unelectable. Boo hoo.

            • Colonial Viper 23.1.1.1.1.1
              3 November 2016 at 10:55 pm

              It’s Christmas actually; imagine working with that shit fight right wing Labour caucus full of MPs and staffers, your so called colleagues, who are just waiting to stab you in the back.

          • McFlock 23.1.1.1.2
            3 November 2016 at 10:04 pm

            He used to call it faux news.

            Now he thinks Fox’s “breaking news” is reliable. A wise commenter once said

            That’s why I like to watch/read/listen broadly so I can make my own mind up on each matter.

            That’s actually the first illusion to shake off. Bottom line is that all of us are unavoidably influenced by the spin and the doctored messages out there to some extent.

            CV should maybe read some other comments by that guy and stop being a corporate shill.

            • marty mars 23.1.1.1.2.1
              3 November 2016 at 10:15 pm

              I think the reading has narrowed down so much it really is just regurgitation with very little critical thinking – low denominator propaganda pushed as news.

                • Colonial Viper …
                  3 November 2016 at 10:53 pm

                  You do realise it’s very likely that the email leaks on the Clintons came from a DC insider and has nothing to do with Russia or Putin.

                  • McFlock …
                    3 November 2016 at 11:02 pm

                    keep telling yourself that, shill

                  • joe90 …
                    3 November 2016 at 11:03 pm

                    Your liking of all things Putin.

                  • Colonial Viper …
                    3 November 2016 at 11:07 pm

                    Craig Murray met with Julian Assange after doing a bunch of top secret shit at the UK Foreign Office.

                    If you don’t trust me, trust him.

                    left Julian after midnight. He is fit, well, sharp and in good spirits. WikiLeaks never reveals or comments upon its sources, but as I published before a fortnight ago, I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is not any Russian state actor or proxy that gave the Democratic National Committee and Podesta material to WikiLeaks. The claim is nonsense. Journalists are also publishing that these were obtained by “hacking” with no evidence that this was the method used to obtain them.

                    The control of the Democratic party machinery deliberately to unfairly ensure Clinton’s victory over Bernie Sanders is a matter of great public interest. The attempt by the establishment from Obama down to divert attention from this by a completely spurious claim against Russia, repeated without investigation by a servile media, is a disgrace.

                    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/10/really-really-upset-foreign-office-security-services/

                    • McFlock …
                      3 November 2016 at 11:11 pm

                      wikileaks never reveals its sources, but this time totes will by a process of elimination.

                      🙄

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 11:15 pm

                      Bill Binney, former Technical Director for the NSA who was in charge of 6,000 NSA employees, says a US intelligence worker is likely behind the Clinton email leaks, not Russia.

                      Binney was the NSA’s best analyst on the Soviet Union.

                      During an interview on Aaron Klein’s Sunday radio program, former high-ranking NSA intelligence official-turned-whistleblower, William Binney, discussed the alleged Russian involvement in our elections, suggesting the cyber attack against the DNC may not have originated from the Russian government. Instead, Binney says, a “disgruntled U.S. intelligence worker” is likely behind the breach.

                      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-22/nsa-whistleblower-us-intelligence-worker-likely-behind-dnc-leaks-not-russia

                    • McFlock …
                      3 November 2016 at 11:42 pm

                      lol

                      So the hack wasn’t a hack, even though the article conistently calls it a hack, and the hacker who reckons he has ip addresses of the DNC hackers calls it a hack, and the FBI has access to NSA data, most of which isn’t hacked it’s a standard communication intercept that wouldn’t leave ip addresses for the russian hacker to trace, but that’s after of course the article states that two US agencies do actually believe that it was a hack and that Russia was the source.

                      I’d be impressed if zerohedge could get its story straight.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 11:49 pm

                      Don’t confuse the Zero Hedge write up with the stated opinion of William Binney.

                      I am convinced now that Hillary Clinton is not qualified to be POTUS. She is all but over.

                      For better or for worse, it has to be Trump.

                    • McFlock …
                      3 November 2016 at 11:59 pm

                      Oh don’t pretend that you’re only convinced “now”. You’ve had that script in your mind long before the DNC hack.

                      OK, binney apparently says not russia. At least two US intelligence agencies, who would have better current access than binney, disagree with that assessment. And the emails show nothing untoward, especially compared to trumps list of active court cases on sexual assault and fraud complaints.

                    • TheExtremist …
                      4 November 2016 at 12:06 am

                      “I am convinced now that Hillary Clinton is not qualified to be POTUS. She is all but over.”

                      But the guy that has wholesale sought to repeal the first amendment, question the second and called into question the entire electoral process is totally A-OK.

                      Fuck sake…..

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      4 November 2016 at 12:13 am

                      OK, binney apparently says not russia. At least two US intelligence agencies, who would have better current access than binney, disagree with that assessment.

                      Really? 2 US intel agencies said it was Russia? Show me where. AFAIK they said that the methods used appeared to be “consistent with” Russian hacking, or words to that effect.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      4 November 2016 at 12:17 am

                      But the guy that has wholesale sought to repeal the first amendment, question the second and called into question the entire electoral process is totally A-OK.

                      Pretty sure you have to hold an Article V convention of all the states to repeal any of the amendments. So that’s not happening.

                      As for questioning rigged elections and vote rigging, Barack Obama talked about that in public when running for POTUS in 2008. No big deal, US politicians grind on about it all the time.

                    • McFlock …
                      4 November 2016 at 12:24 am

                      Read your own fucking link.

                      “But saying they believe the hacks come from the Russians is far short of saying they know the Russians were behind them.”

                      Seriously, isn’t it embarrassing that other people have to correct your bullshit to actually reflect the nutbar slurs you’re trying to parrot? You used to be so much better than that.

                      You haven’t spent years using some home remedy containing mercury or lead, have you?

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      4 November 2016 at 12:34 am

                      Hi McFlock, thanks for proof reading. Always appreciate it.

                      By the way, which were the two US intel agencies which you said concluded that the Russians were responsible for the email hacks?

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      4 November 2016 at 12:42 am

                      McFlock found the quote I was referring to (hope it makes you happier mate, I’d love you to be happy)

                      Only two intelligence entities – the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) – have weighed in on this issue, not 17 intelligence agencies [as Hillary Clinton had claimed]. And what they said was ambiguous about Russian involvement. An unclassified October 7, 2016 joint DNI-DHS statement on this issue said the hacks

                      “. . . are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow — the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europa and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”

                      Saying we think the hacks “are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts” is far short of saying we have evidence that Russia has been responsible for the hacks. Maybe high-level officials would have authorized them if Russian hackers were responsible, but the DNI and DHS statement did NOT say there was evidence Russia was responsible.

                      By the way these weren’t the two US intel agencies you were referring to, were they?

                      Weaksauce man, weaksauce.

                      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-24/did-russia-hack-dnc-%E2%80%A6-really

                    • McFlock …
                      4 November 2016 at 12:45 am

                      I’m not “proofreading” shit.

                      I’m telling you that you’re a fucking idiot who doesn’t even read his own links.

                      case in point:

                      By the way, which were the two US intel agencies which you said concluded that the Russians were responsible for the email hacks?

                      Not me. Your zerohedge link. You should read it sometime. I merely quoted it with speechmarks and everything.

                      While you’re learning to read what you linked to (rather than what you imagine), I’m off to bed.

                      I daresay you’ll be incompetently parroting other insane bullshit tomorrow, easy bet.

                    • McFlock …
                      4 November 2016 at 12:57 am

                      lol

                      So now you’ve read your link, you slip in a similar one without the original’s line

                      “But saying they believe the hacks come from the Russians is far short of saying they know the Russians were behind them.”.

                      Fuck you’re a duplicitous piece of shit. There’s an interesting Observer article on why Binney is probably well off the mark on this one, you’d google it if you weren’t terrified that it might be correct.

                      Night night, liar.

    • Blackcap 23.2
      3 November 2016 at 5:25 pm

      So that is what moved the market… it suddenly moved against Clinton quite heavily in the last hour and Sanders, Biden and Kaine all starting to make chances albeit slim ones. Clinton out to 1.42 as I write, Sanders in to 100, Biden and Kaine 250’s (but better than the 600-800’s they were this morning. Trump steady on 3.65
      Arguably Trump has a better chance against Clinton than he does any of the other Democratic candidates. 6 days to go, what will happen. I see Nate Silvers 538 site now has Clinton on a 67% chance, the worm is tightening. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

      • Colonial Viper 23.2.1
        3 November 2016 at 5:29 pm

        We are going to see daily leaks from the FBI now as the FBI try and pressure a politically compromised and obstructive Department of Justice to act.

        Now it makes sense why Director Comie broke convention on (US) Friday with his letter to Congress.

        Hillary may still be voted in next week, but she’s not going to last in office.

    • Cemetery Jones 23.3
      3 November 2016 at 5:32 pm

      Heard about their 5 foreign governments claim. My picks if it’s true:

      1: Russia
      2: China
      3: Britain
      4: Israel
      5: Germany or France (Germany if it’s revenge, France if it’s just good tradecraft – they’re underrated in this area).

      CNN’s probable picks, to be taken up by MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times, Huffington Post, the Guardian, the Daily Mail, and especially the Telegraph:

      1: Russia
      2: Russia
      3: Russia
      4: Russia
      5: Russia

      • Colonial Viper 23.3.1
        3 November 2016 at 5:49 pm

        How about Iran….?

      • Colonial Viper 23.3.2
        3 November 2016 at 5:54 pm

        Just saw this on Reddit:

        CNN Reports it was Northern Russia, Eastern Russia, Western Russia, Southern Russia and of course Central Russia.

        • Cemetery Jones 23.3.2.1
          3 November 2016 at 9:17 pm

          Damn that’s way funnier than my iteration.

          I thought about Iran as a possibility, but Israel edged them out as they seem to have form in this area. I briefly considered Saudi Arabia, but they’re so shit at conventional warfare that I can’t bring myself to believe they could hack even the weakest system. Outside chance for the Saudis if the whole ‘Huma is a Saudi spy’ narrative is correct.

          Be funny if it’s basically everyone *but* Russia.

    • joe90 23.4
      3 November 2016 at 5:42 pm

      The problem with Baier’s claptrap is the FBI doesn’t indict people, the DOJ does.

      Mind you, these are the same idiots who pushed the Benghazi nonsense citing anonymous government sources. And 3 years down the track, not a sausage.

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

      • Colonial Viper 23.4.1
        3 November 2016 at 5:50 pm

        The problem with Baier’s claptrap is the FBI doesn’t indict people, the DOJ does.

        ???

        If you could address the substance of his reporting, that would be appreciated.

        • marty mars 23.4.1.1
          3 November 2016 at 5:57 pm

          That is the substance not the ghostdrama you love

          • Colonial Viper 23.4.1.1.1
            3 November 2016 at 6:04 pm

            That’s why the FBI, from Comey down, is going public. To bypass and pressure the Loretta Lynch Department of Justice.

            • marty mars 23.4.1.1.1.1
              3 November 2016 at 6:06 pm

              Sure like you’d know fool – go back to your vids bub

            • joe90 23.4.1.1.1.2
              3 November 2016 at 6:23 pm

              Nope, looks like some employees have decided to take matters into their own hands.

              did anyone ever check into this further? the now emerging ny vs dc fbi turf war is making me more 👀 @Karoli @kurteichenwald @EricBoehlert pic.twitter.com/beqs92BACO— Thunder Butty (@ThunderButty) November 3, 2016

              https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwUBiKNVIAAiZbA.jpg

              https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwUBiKKVIAEHXVG.jpg

              edit: this too

              http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/short-guide-latest-fbi-leaks-murdoch-trump

              • Colonial Viper …
                3 November 2016 at 6:51 pm

                The ball is in play is all I will say, and it is much bigger than squabbles between FBI field offices.

                • joe90 …
                  3 November 2016 at 7:06 pm

                  You’re okay with an instrument of the state’s involvement in a partisan attempt to influence an electoral outcome?.

                  • Colonial Viper …
                    3 November 2016 at 7:12 pm

                    Justify your statement that this is a partisan attempt on behalf of the FBI, and that their motivation is not that of achieving criminal justice.

                    Further, don’t you think that IF the DOJ has been obstructing investigations into the Clintons for months or over a year, that would be exactly what you accuse the FBI of: an instrument of the state’s involvement in a partisan attempt to influence an electoral outcome?

                    Or do you believe that such activity is permissible – but only if it is designed to advantage Clinton?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      3 November 2016 at 7:14 pm

                      Clueless projection is your response to everything.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 7:19 pm

                      OAB, about time you surfaced. Are you OK with an “instrument of state” like the DOJ being involved in a partisan attempt to influence an electoral outcome?

                    • joe90 …
                      3 November 2016 at 7:19 pm

                      Justify your statement that this is a partisan attempt on behalf of the FBI, and that their motivation is not that of achieving criminal justice.

                      Convention and the law say they’re neutral employees who have absolutely no right to insert themselves into the electoral process.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      3 November 2016 at 7:37 pm

                      People who poison the well (like you, for example) are a bigger priority than your self-aggrandising trash-talk.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 9:03 pm

                      Convention and the law say they’re neutral employees who have absolutely no right to insert themselves into the electoral process.

                      1) No laws were broken by Comey AFAIK.
                      2) I agree that Comey broke with both convention and policy by writing his letter to Congress. However, I do not believe that he took that step lightly or in ignorance of the electoral implications, and today, leaks from the FBI began to substantiate the much larger picture which may have motivated his decision to re-enliven the investigation into Clinton’s private email server.

                      FYI Brett Baeir at Fox News says that both the White Collar Crime division of the FBI and the National Security division is investigating the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton private server, respectively. It doesn’t get any more serious than this.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      3 November 2016 at 9:37 pm

                      OAB at The Standard said that anyone who cites Fox News is a desperate fuckwit, an ethical failure, and an embarrassment to anyone who associates with them.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      3 November 2016 at 9:47 pm

                      Criticising the source instead of the substance is a sure sign of brain fade laziness.

        • joe90 23.4.1.2
          3 November 2016 at 6:14 pm

          Despite leaks, partisan hackery and wishful thinking – the. F.B.I. does. not. indict.

          • Colonial Viper 23.4.1.2.1
            3 November 2016 at 6:53 pm

            That’s the Clinton crime family’s last protection now, joe90. You shouldn’t be cheering for it.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 23.4.1.2.1.1
              3 November 2016 at 7:17 pm

              Given that clueless projection is your response to everything, I doubt you’d survive the sort of aggressive audit you wish on others. Choke on it.

              • Colonial Viper …
                3 November 2016 at 7:23 pm

                Huh? Can’t you stay on point without personally attacking people? Just sad.

                • One Anonymous Bloke …
                  3 November 2016 at 7:28 pm

                  Pretend that my contempt for your behaviour is a personal attack. And then please, choke on it. I’d set you on fire just to not piss on you. Are we clear?

  24. joe90 24
    3 November 2016 at 5:23 pm

    Trump deplorables setting man traps for electoral workers.

    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/01/a-political-stunt-in-plano-draws-blood/

  25. joe90 25
    3 November 2016 at 6:08 pm

    The FBI insiders leaking illegally are the same people involved in the investigation into the Clinton Foundation on the basis of a fucking book, likely financed by the likes of the Kochs, but were told by their superiors to stand down due to a lack of evidence.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

  26. joe90 26
    3 November 2016 at 7:40 pm

    The tiny fisted fascist’s friends intimidate woman, too.

    No LiveStream for you Lisa Bloom HA HA HA HA HA pic.twitter.com/gcvxYESc7I— 0 (@0HOUR1___) November 2, 2016

    Our firm's website was reportedly hacked today, as well as emails. Anonymous claims responsibility. https://t.co/KA6R4Xvpb7— Lisa Bloom (@LisaBloom) November 3, 2016

    To be clear, this is not us, @LisaBloom. This is the skiddy who previously went as @AltRights. We do not endorse intimidating rape victims https://t.co/BXF1lvuFVl— Anonymous (@YourAnonNews) November 3, 2016

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