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Coalition of liars

Written By: - Date published: 6:34 am, October 7th, 2017 - 35 comments
Categories: election 2017, making shit up, maori party, national, nz first - Tags: , , , , ,

The right wing clobbering machine is already calling a possible Labour Green NZF a “coalition of losers”.

Well under MMP a coalition of losers can be the winners. But however you cut it a coalition of liars will always be liars.

National’s Joyce and English are the most brazen liars in our political history. And given the campaign that he ran, if NZF goes with the Nats then Peters has made a liar out of himself too.

Of course we could all just stop the pointless name calling, but I can’t see that happening if Peters goes left.

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35 comments on “Coalition of liars ”

  1. Nick 1

    You have to add ShonKey To the liar coalition team.

    • Ffloyd 1.1

      SIR! Shonkey.

    • tracey 1.2

      The common factor from Brethren lie, thru Key thru English is Joyce, the Karl Rove of NZ politics.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

      • Once was Tim 1.2.1

        I’m glad there are a few others onto him. He’s ekshully National’s very common denominator – a slob in a suit who appeals to the true ideologue, but like his female equivalent (paula bennett) has brought true misery and 3rd world living standards to many. I’m commenting with such negativity because you only have to look across various threads to see the contributions from people like @Reason and others (@OAB for example) and ask yourself who is responsible.
        Key was bad enough, but there was always a Joyce pulling his pony tail. As OAB once said – there’s a distinction between intelligence and rat cunning.
        If Key was endowed with rat cunning, Joyce has those same super powers.
        Just as well Winnie has their number (again, not that I’m fawning all over Winnie).
        There’s a comment on today’s Open Mike referring to another report on worker exploitation. It’s a structural problem now (as it has been since the creation of Joyce’s vanity project). The very Common Denominator in all of it is S Joyce

  2. reason 2

    We all get robbed by creative accounting …. the art of how much bullshit you can fit through a loop-hole.

    This is creative reporting ….. A right wing minority …. should Govern over a center-left wing majority…. should Winston jump that way.

    National ….. The Howling minority.

    P.s …If it’s good enough for Trump to rule on a minority of votes …. Then Lignite Bill should do the same …. 😉

    • CHCOff 2.1

      re – creative accounting: Double Entry Accounting is a system of second degree meaning and third degree ambiguity is another way to put it.

  3. patricia bremner 3

    No no, let’s do truth and hope instead. Let’s get positive and begin healing.

  4. Thinkerr 4

    Secret video of the 27 minute meeting between NZF and Labour (I wish)…

  5. Yes let’s stop the pointless name calling. The gnats have shown themselves as craven liars. Whatever happens the reputations of Joyce and English are in tatters. Winnie will do what he does and be able to justify it in his head – so be it. The spinners will spin – ride a painted pony and all that.

    • repateet 5.2

      The reputations of Joyce and English aren’t in ‘tatters’ as if that’s something bad. ‘Reputation’ as in a matter of historical record but not in any significant meaning.

      If their reputations were in tatters any dealings with them in the media, in Parliament, in any public doings would be predicated on, prefaced with or signed off with “but this man has been shown to be a blatant, self-serving liar and there is a high likelihood that what you are about to hear (have heard) is rubbish.” A bit like warnings on cigarette packets.

      That won’t happen and political correspondents and other journalists will treat them with great respect. Normal transmission will be resumed, their sins forgotten and only some people in places like this will remember and think that the way they have acted is significant and serious and has implications.

      Maybe the sign of a stable civilised society with a sense of order and little civil unrest is one in which those like Joyce and English know that they can get away with ‘blue murder’, do so, and are allowed to, because the citizenry prefer that sort of corruption to blood in the streets.

      • If their reputations were in tatters any dealings with them in the media, in Parliament, in any public doings would be predicated on, prefaced with or signed off with “but this man has been shown to be a blatant, self-serving liar and there is a high likelihood that what you are about to hear (have heard) is rubbish.” A bit like warnings on cigarette packets.

        QFT

        Maybe the sign of a stable civilised society with a sense of order and little civil unrest is one in which those like Joyce and English know that they can get away with ‘blue murder’, do so, and are allowed to, because the citizenry prefer that sort of corruption to blood in the streets.

        That’s not the sign of a stable society but of one being driven to collapse by the hierarchy.

    • tracey 5.4

      not in tatters to 46% of the voting public.

      • mosa 5.4.1

        Yeah 46% want this group of people to run the country.

        The cost of corrupt democracy.

      • Brigid 5.4.2

        How do you define ‘the voting public’?
        Those who cast a vote or those who are registered to vote?
        Surely if a registered voters chooses not to vote, they are registering a non vote, which is as valid as a cast vote, as it demonstrates the voters belief that there is nothing offered worth voting for.
        The preliminary results show that there are 3,046,216 registered voters on the general roll and 251,793 on the Maori roll, totally 3,298,009 registered voters.
        998,813 voted for National.
        Therefore only 30% of registered voters voted for National, which is not even one third, and rather less than 46%

        http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2017_preliminary/

        • Draco T Bastard 5.4.2.1

          Surely if a registered voters chooses not to vote, they are registering a non vote, which is as valid as a cast vote, as it demonstrates the voters belief that there is nothing offered worth voting for.

          That may be what they think that they’re doing but what they’re actually doing is casting a vote for the status quo. Without agitating for change then they won’t get any change.

          Therefore only 30% of registered voters voted for National, which is not even one third, and rather less than 46%

          Which is 65% of eligible voters. Add 15% of the vote from Specials gives us about 75%. Now imagine what would happen if those other 25% actually voted for, say, the Greens.

          Now, the assumption in our voting system is that those non-voters would vote in exactly the same proportion as those that vote but research has shown that conservative voters vote more consistently than those from the Left. And the rich vote more consistently than the poor.

          In other words: We get a higher proportional vote for National than we would if those non-voters actually voted.

        • tracey 5.4.2.2

          Those who vote are the voting public. Voting is a verb.

          Registered voters do not all vote. A non vote is by definition not voting. People who dont vote cannot be part of a pro or anti mandate argument because there is too much conjecture… could be too sick to go out on voting day… couldnt be bothered… or anything.

          In my view a registered voter who does not cast a vote can be said to support none or thinks they could all be ok… who knows. What we know is they opted to not participate in a simple once every 3 year event.

          Hope that clarifies.

  6. CLEANGREEN 6

    1000% Marty mars.

    Joyce has disgraced the country with is often manufactured lies and his propagandist use of the public agency MBIE to spin his lies in his studies made for purpose in his agency MBIE.

    National – manufactured lies.

  7. Sparky 7

    I would say the writing is on the wall and the right can’t accept it. They can call names all they like but its clear many people want change and that as they say, is that.

  8. rawshark-yeshe 8

    I posted this last night in Daily Review and want to re-post now in this appropriate place:

    ” Well then. Boy in Blue told today that they know 100% it was Judith Collins’ Oravida that smashed the pipeline and they have have been ordered to let it go without prosecution. And they are pissed about it. It did go kind of quiet very quickly.

    New government will sort this ?

    In the meantime Bennett has lawyered up so heavily no-one can breathe a word about why but she has ensured extreme discomfort and brute uniformed force terror on those who dared to challenge her ….. and we still have the mystery of Double Dippy’s lies to the House re texts about Barclay.

    Such a lovely group we have representing us. Please, let this weekend’s results deliver us from the vileness.”

  9. A Nat-NZF coalition is as much a “coalition of losers” as any other. No party “won” this election.

    • tracey 9.1

      Nats tried to “win” on their own” which required 61 seats. They failed. That is, lost.

  10. Peter 10

    With 46% of the vote, why didn’t National’s leader, Mr. English, seize the initiative and front foot coalition talks?

  11. Agora 11

    Lies ! Damn Lies ! Electoral statistics … x!@#$%^&* !

  12. Eco maori 12

    It’s real nice that US left blogger,S have not put the boot into our right sliding bloggers that’s cool.
    And there is one problem with OUR democratic systems .
    US lefties are to nice and to politically correct to cheat and lie to gain or hold on to power .
    But the right neo liberals will do anything to gain and hold onto power WE NEED TO COME UP WITH LAWS TO LEVEL OUT THIS HUMAN TRATE THAT DISTORTS OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM ALL OVER OUR KA PAI

    [lprent: stop SHOUTING. BANNED for 1 WEEK for wasting my time pointing this out again. Doing this a little for a slight emphasis is fine (although italics are more effective), but capitals are just intrusive, annoying, and usually eventually cause flamewars all done in CAPITALS. ]

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