Coalition of liars

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1. Nick 1

   7 October 2017 at 7:35 am

   You have to add ShonKey To the liar coalition team.
   • Ffloyd 1.1

     7 October 2017 at 7:49 am

     SIR! Shonkey.
     • marty mars 1.1.1

       7 October 2017 at 8:58 am

       Pronounced slur.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.2

       7 October 2017 at 10:40 am

       It’s Dr. Sir Shonkey akshully.
   • tracey 1.2

     7 October 2017 at 10:48 am

     The common factor from Brethren lie, thru Key thru English is Joyce, the Karl Rove of NZ politics.

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove
     • Once was Tim 1.2.1

       7 October 2017 at 2:33 pm

       I’m glad there are a few others onto him. He’s ekshully National’s very common denominator – a slob in a suit who appeals to the true ideologue, but like his female equivalent (paula bennett) has brought true misery and 3rd world living standards to many. I’m commenting with such negativity because you only have to look across various threads to see the contributions from people like @Reason and others (@OAB for example) and ask yourself who is responsible.
       Key was bad enough, but there was always a Joyce pulling his pony tail. As OAB once said – there’s a distinction between intelligence and rat cunning.
       If Key was endowed with rat cunning, Joyce has those same super powers.
       Just as well Winnie has their number (again, not that I’m fawning all over Winnie).
       There’s a comment on today’s Open Mike referring to another report on worker exploitation. It’s a structural problem now (as it has been since the creation of Joyce’s vanity project). The very Common Denominator in all of it is S Joyce
       • One Anonymous Bloke 1.2.1.1

         7 October 2017 at 5:00 pm

         Asset-stripping MBIE by lunchtime sounds like a good idea.
2. reason 2

   7 October 2017 at 7:52 am

   We all get robbed by creative accounting …. the art of how much bullshit you can fit through a loop-hole.

   This is creative reporting ….. A right wing minority …. should Govern over a center-left wing majority…. should Winston jump that way.

   National ….. The Howling minority.

   P.s …If it’s good enough for Trump to rule on a minority of votes …. Then Lignite Bill should do the same …. 😉
   • CHCOff 2.1

     7 October 2017 at 12:12 pm

     re – creative accounting: Double Entry Accounting is a system of second degree meaning and third degree ambiguity is another way to put it.
3. patricia bremner 3

   7 October 2017 at 8:17 am

   No no, let’s do truth and hope instead. Let’s get positive and begin healing.
4. Thinkerr 4

   7 October 2017 at 8:25 am

   Secret video of the 27 minute meeting between NZF and Labour (I wish)…

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vet6AHmq3_s
   • Incognito 4.1

     7 October 2017 at 11:26 am

     More like this I reckon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60
5. marty mars 5

   7 October 2017 at 8:56 am

   Yes let’s stop the pointless name calling. The gnats have shown themselves as craven liars. Whatever happens the reputations of Joyce and English are in tatters. Winnie will do what he does and be able to justify it in his head – so be it. The spinners will spin – ride a painted pony and all that.
   • Ed 5.1

     7 October 2017 at 8:59 am

     Agreed
   • repateet 5.2

     7 October 2017 at 9:33 am

     The reputations of Joyce and English aren’t in ‘tatters’ as if that’s something bad. ‘Reputation’ as in a matter of historical record but not in any significant meaning.

     If their reputations were in tatters any dealings with them in the media, in Parliament, in any public doings would be predicated on, prefaced with or signed off with “but this man has been shown to be a blatant, self-serving liar and there is a high likelihood that what you are about to hear (have heard) is rubbish.” A bit like warnings on cigarette packets.

     That won’t happen and political correspondents and other journalists will treat them with great respect. Normal transmission will be resumed, their sins forgotten and only some people in places like this will remember and think that the way they have acted is significant and serious and has implications.

     Maybe the sign of a stable civilised society with a sense of order and little civil unrest is one in which those like Joyce and English know that they can get away with ‘blue murder’, do so, and are allowed to, because the citizenry prefer that sort of corruption to blood in the streets.
     • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1

       7 October 2017 at 10:51 am

       If their reputations were in tatters any dealings with them in the media, in Parliament, in any public doings would be predicated on, prefaced with or signed off with “but this man has been shown to be a blatant, self-serving liar and there is a high likelihood that what you are about to hear (have heard) is rubbish.” A bit like warnings on cigarette packets.

       QFT

       Maybe the sign of a stable civilised society with a sense of order and little civil unrest is one in which those like Joyce and English know that they can get away with ‘blue murder’, do so, and are allowed to, because the citizenry prefer that sort of corruption to blood in the streets.

       That’s not the sign of a stable society but of one being driven to collapse by the hierarchy.
   • marty mars 5.3

     7 October 2017 at 10:17 am

     Like this

     https://youtu.be/kK62tfoCmuQ
   • tracey 5.4

     7 October 2017 at 10:49 am

     not in tatters to 46% of the voting public.
     • mosa 5.4.1

       7 October 2017 at 11:35 am

       Yeah 46% want this group of people to run the country.

       The cost of corrupt democracy.
     • Brigid 5.4.2

       7 October 2017 at 1:14 pm

       How do you define ‘the voting public’?
       Those who cast a vote or those who are registered to vote?
       Surely if a registered voters chooses not to vote, they are registering a non vote, which is as valid as a cast vote, as it demonstrates the voters belief that there is nothing offered worth voting for.
       The preliminary results show that there are 3,046,216 registered voters on the general roll and 251,793 on the Maori roll, totally 3,298,009 registered voters.
       998,813 voted for National.
       Therefore only 30% of registered voters voted for National, which is not even one third, and rather less than 46%

       http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2017_preliminary/
       • Draco T Bastard 5.4.2.1

         7 October 2017 at 1:34 pm

         Surely if a registered voters chooses not to vote, they are registering a non vote, which is as valid as a cast vote, as it demonstrates the voters belief that there is nothing offered worth voting for.

         That may be what they think that they’re doing but what they’re actually doing is casting a vote for the status quo. Without agitating for change then they won’t get any change.

         Therefore only 30% of registered voters voted for National, which is not even one third, and rather less than 46%

         Which is 65% of eligible voters. Add 15% of the vote from Specials gives us about 75%. Now imagine what would happen if those other 25% actually voted for, say, the Greens.

         Now, the assumption in our voting system is that those non-voters would vote in exactly the same proportion as those that vote but research has shown that conservative voters vote more consistently than those from the Left. And the rich vote more consistently than the poor.

         In other words: We get a higher proportional vote for National than we would if those non-voters actually voted.
       • tracey 5.4.2.2

         7 October 2017 at 4:52 pm

         Those who vote are the voting public. Voting is a verb.

         Registered voters do not all vote. A non vote is by definition not voting. People who dont vote cannot be part of a pro or anti mandate argument because there is too much conjecture… could be too sick to go out on voting day… couldnt be bothered… or anything.

         In my view a registered voter who does not cast a vote can be said to support none or thinks they could all be ok… who knows. What we know is they opted to not participate in a simple once every 3 year event.

         Hope that clarifies.
6. CLEANGREEN 6

   7 October 2017 at 9:16 am

   1000% Marty mars.

   Joyce has disgraced the country with is often manufactured lies and his propagandist use of the public agency MBIE to spin his lies in his studies made for purpose in his agency MBIE.

   National – manufactured lies.
7. Sparky 7

   7 October 2017 at 9:24 am

   I would say the writing is on the wall and the right can’t accept it. They can call names all they like but its clear many people want change and that as they say, is that.
8. rawshark-yeshe 8

   7 October 2017 at 10:22 am

   I posted this last night in Daily Review and want to re-post now in this appropriate place:

   ” Well then. Boy in Blue told today that they know 100% it was Judith Collins’ Oravida that smashed the pipeline and they have have been ordered to let it go without prosecution. And they are pissed about it. It did go kind of quiet very quickly.

   New government will sort this ?

   In the meantime Bennett has lawyered up so heavily no-one can breathe a word about why but she has ensured extreme discomfort and brute uniformed force terror on those who dared to challenge her ….. and we still have the mystery of Double Dippy’s lies to the House re texts about Barclay.

   Such a lovely group we have representing us. Please, let this weekend’s results deliver us from the vileness.”
9. Psycho Milt 9

   7 October 2017 at 10:26 am

   A Nat-NZF coalition is as much a “coalition of losers” as any other. No party “won” this election.
   • tracey 9.1

     7 October 2017 at 10:50 am

     Nats tried to “win” on their own” which required 61 seats. They failed. That is, lost.
10. Peter 10

    7 October 2017 at 1:22 pm

    With 46% of the vote, why didn’t National’s leader, Mr. English, seize the initiative and front foot coalition talks?
    • Draco T Bastard 10.1

      7 October 2017 at 1:35 pm

      He tried. NZ1st told him to fuck-off and so did the Greens.
      • Peter 10.1.1

        7 October 2017 at 1:39 pm

        Thanks.
      • Incognito 10.1.2

        7 October 2017 at 1:42 pm

        Did National or Bill English ever make direct contact with James Shaw or the Greens or was all he did just phantasmagorical shadowboxing?
        • Draco T Bastard 10.1.2.1

          7 October 2017 at 3:46 pm

          I haven’t heard of any direct contact.
        • tracey 10.1.2.2

          7 October 2017 at 5:00 pm

          I imagine if Nats had actually read the Green Charter, policies and pre election statements they could write up a lil offer for the Greens. But it seems Nat supporters think Greens should be standing outside Bills house yelling ” let us in Bill.”
11. Agora 11

    7 October 2017 at 1:55 pm

    Lies ! Damn Lies ! Electoral statistics … x!@#$%^&* !
12. Eco maori 12

    7 October 2017 at 4:32 pm

    It’s real nice that US left blogger,S have not put the boot into our right sliding bloggers that’s cool.
    And there is one problem with OUR democratic systems .
    US lefties are to nice and to politically correct to cheat and lie to gain or hold on to power .
    But the right neo liberals will do anything to gain and hold onto power WE NEED TO COME UP WITH LAWS TO LEVEL OUT THIS HUMAN TRATE THAT DISTORTS OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM ALL OVER OUR KA PAI

    [lprent: stop SHOUTING. BANNED for 1 WEEK for wasting my time pointing this out again. Doing this a little for a slight emphasis is fine (although italics are more effective), but capitals are just intrusive, annoying, and usually eventually cause flamewars all done in CAPITALS. ]

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