National pushing through with secret TPP talks before the election

Written By: - Date published: 7:30 am, September 17th, 2017 - 23 comments
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Green Party Spokesperson for Trade, Barry Coates, writes about National’s latest moves on the TPPA:

In the two days before the election, New Zealand MFAT negotiators will attend a negotiations meeting in Japan on the successor to the failed Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), now called the TPP-11. The negotiations are shrouded in secrecy but we know that officials from eleven governments aim to agree which parts of the treaty will be suspended until (and if) the US re-joins.

It is customary practice that governments should try to avoid taking pre-emptive decisions just before an election, particularly those that bind the decisions of the incoming government. At the least, they consult with opposition parties. However the current Minister for Trade, Todd McClay has ignored customary practice, even though the Green Party, Labour, NZ First and the Maori Party have all made it clear that they have concerns over TPP-11.

The Greens have submitted an OIA calling for the government to release its position on negotiations before the election. But there is no accountability from the government on New Zealand’s position. This matters because decisions taken at the meeting will be difficult if not impossible to reverse. Around the time of an election, there is an added responsibility for the government to act in the broader interest of New Zealand, not in the interests of a single political party or the US.

This continues government’s desperation to see a TPPA at any cost.

Deeper changes are required. The most significant provision is the controversial Investor State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) mechanism. The US itself last week signalled that it is looking to remove ISDS from its renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) through the creation of an opt-in clause. This follows the EU’s rejection of ISDS in trade agreements, and the decision by India, South Africa and Indonesia to unwind their ISDS commitments in Free Trade Agreements. There is no reason to keep ISDS in the TPP-11.

Beyond the approach of suspending provisions that are favourable to the US and its multinationals, there are other problems with TPP-11. The Labour Party has raised the issue of a change to prevent non-residents from buying existing houses in New Zealand. This is an existing provision in the Free Trade Agreement with Korea, and is proposed for inclusion in TPP-11. Despite a clear signal from Labour and the Greens that a ban on non-resident purchases would be part of a future policy, the government did not register an exception.

More detail and full post here.

Press release from greens.org.nz:

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Barry Coates MP on Saturday, September 16, 2017 – 14:50

National’s last minute ditch to get the Trans Pacific Partnership 11 agreement across the line just a day before the general election smacks of desperation, the Green Party said today.

The comments come on the back of news that MFAT negotiators will meet in Japan to negotiate the final package of elements for the TPP, now called the TPP-11 since the US pulled out. This is the deal that will be presented for final agreement by Ministers in November.

“The fact the Government are trying to get this deal over the line right before the election without talking to Opposition parties about it, isn’t transparent, and looks like they’re trying to get it into place before they are voted out,’ said Green Party trade spokesperson Barry Coates.

“This continues National’s desperation to see a TPPA at any cost. Any deal made now will lock in a future government without their consent.

“It is customary practice that governments should try to avoid taking pre-emptive decisions just before an election, particularly those that bind the decisions of the incoming government.

“National is pushing for the TPP-11 to go through to make it look as if they done something in their nine years in government besides higher greenhouse gas emissions, dirtier rivers and more children in poverty.

“We need trade agreements that are in the interests of all New Zealanders,” said Mr Coates.

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Reasons to Vote Green: the TPPA outlines the Green Party’s strong opposition to the TPPA and its importance in this election.

23 comments on “National pushing through with secret TPP talks before the election”

  1. dv 1

    Wont any deal need to be approved by parliament?

    • Gristle 1.1

      Whilst the National Government is trying to set the TPPA 11 framework in stone, to sign up to it would require a document that all other governments are also willing to sign up to. Is this document ready for signing?

    • lprent 1.2

      No. That is the Nats favourite lie about it. It is just Bullshit

      Like all treaties it is approved and ratified by the Executive council whobare essentially appointed by the government and brought into law by the governor general on behalf of the monarchy.

      By convention a select committee of parliament may see it and discuss it – but may not change it.

      Parliament will be presented with some enabling legislation where statute requires amendment. But in most cases with trade agreements very little is required. It can usually be done with regulation as orders in council.

      Removing this daft system is the best reason I know of for removing the monarchy from New Zealand.

  2. Janet 2

    Where will Todd Barclay be?

  3. tracey 3

    If Canada is still there then the investor dispute provisions remain a problem. The North Americans, which includes Canada, have the most litigious corps when it comes to suing governments.

    • Andre 3.1

      The entire ISDS concept and framework that was in the TPPA is a problem, regardless of which countries are a part of an agreement and how litigious their cultures may be.

      IIRC, the europeans recognised this when the were negotiating something similar to the TPPA and came up with a proposal for a dispute settlement process that looked much fairer and more robust than the ISDS in the likes of the TPPA and NAFTA.

      • tracey 3.1.1

        Well Andre there are similar provisions to resolve disputes in trade agreements we are in and the difference is the Corps of those countries do not have a litigious history against govts.

        • Andre 3.1.1.1

          So the bastards haven’t learned to use the provisions. Yet. That’s no reason to continue using a really crap set of provisions for dispute resolution that’s tilted way over to international corporates against the state. Particularly if a much fairer alternative framework is possible.

  4. tc 4

    Add it to the list of deals not great for nz, TPPA is a giant steaming pile of corporate control and profit protection on an unlevel field of litigious activity favouring corporate over sovereign rights.

    Once they’re gone from office there will be others they’ve gamed the OIA to hide which involve crony mates and backers where taxpayers are the biggest loser again.

  5. Grantoc 5

    Sounds like an anti trade conspiracy theory from Coates and the Greens.

    The talks are not secret. The talks are not final decision making talks. Any decisions need to be ratified by governments.

  6. Incognito 6

    IIRC there seems to be paragraph on this in the Cabinet Manual, a book so rare that no National Minister has ever seen it let alone read it. They also think that Ethics-101: A Space Oddity is the best SF movie ever made although they’ve never seen it either.

    • cleangreen 6.2

      Yep Incognito Ethics is not in the National Party parliamentary operating manual so we need to remove them forthwith, so we can take back our democracy again and allow our new government to plan the real path to a “brighter future” 9 yrs after we were promised it , now without any ‘fear or favour’.

    • tracey 6.3

      Not many PM in NZ enforce the standards required by the Cabinet Manual.

  7. … ” But there is no accountability from the government on New Zealand’s position ” …

    OHO , WHAT THE FUCK IS ALL THIS ABOUT ?

    Another snide way to ram through asset sales in a round about way whereby assets sales are sidelined in order to procure even greater globalist ambitions?

    … ” It is customary practice that governments should try to avoid taking pre-emptive decisions just before an election, particularly those that bind the decisions of the incoming government” …

    EXCEPT IN THIS CASE THESE FUCKERS ARE TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THE ITDS PROCESS.

    … ” The US itself last week signalled that it is looking to remove ISDS from its renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) through the creation of an opt-in clause ” …

    OHO AGAIN !, … SO IN OTHER WORDS CERTAIN WITHIN THE ANTI TRUMP MOVEMENT ARE SEEKING TO USE THIS TO UNDERMINE TRUMPS ANTI TTPA STANCE….

    … ” The Greens have submitted an OIA calling for the government to release its position on negotiations before the election. But there is no accountability from the government on New Zealand’s position. This matters because decisions taken at the meeting will be difficult if not impossible to reverse.” …

    OHO ! A THIRD TIME , … BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES THIS GOVT WANT TO SQUASH THE GREENS , … IT WANTS TO SQUASH ALL ‘ NATIONALISTIC’ POLICY’S AS WELL …. AS THE GLOBALISTS HAVE WANTED TO SQUASH THE WORLDWIDE GREEN MOVEMENT EG : HERBAL MEDICINES….AKA THE FDA….

    … ” Around the time of an election, there is an added responsibility for the government to act in the broader interest of New Zealand, not in the interests of a single political party or the US.

    This continues government’s desperation to see a TPPA at any cost ” ….

    …………………………………………………………….

    OK Weka,… caps lock off.

    Just so I don’t get the ‘ MOD ‘ treatment of cultured etiquette of the nouveau enlightened in the age of ‘ IT ‘ , – of what is considered shouting and detrimental to polite dinner-table conversation…

    But its there for a reason , … and part of that reason is to ram home the point to so many casual political observers how shit arsed sly and corrupt these National party Mont Pelerin Society led , New Zealand Initiative suck up scumbags really are.

    Its a joke.

    A cosmic ( almost ) Monty Pythonesque , Doug Adams type joke played on the likes of you and me.

    The New Zealand public.

    That get away with this sort of juvenile witchypoo Cern type ceremony openings in broad daylight that is taken extremely seriously by easily led and even more easily bribed besuited officials and globalist potentates knowing full well that the the vast bulk of humanity is far too indulged in making ends meet to pay the man than to pay attention to these puerile and orgasmic Satanic old boys networks rituals and the displays of what the world elite have planned for us … that of the unfettered ejaculation of total control and dominion followed by a long and contented sleep after a warm and lovingly administered lower region wash….

    Full Bizarre, Demonic Gotthard Tunnel Opening Ceremony … – YouTube
    you tube▶ 59:35

    …………………………………………………………..

    And doesn’t it strike you all as extremely strange that the arch hero in all of this is Barry Coates ,… a humble Green party politician who’s only claim to fame in all this is a call for total sanity , – amidst the pre puberty and hormonal erectile infatuation of the National party globalists who are in need of an urgent and desperate release of their vital energy’s in a place where there are no witnesses ???

    … “The fact the Government are trying to get this deal over the line right before the election without talking to Opposition parties about it, isn’t transparent, and looks like they’re trying to get it into place before they are voted out,’ said Green Party trade spokesperson Barry Coates ” ….
    ………………………………………………………….
    … ” However the current Minister for Trade, Todd McClay has ignored customary practice, even though the Green Party, Labour, NZ First and the Maori Party have all made it clear that they have concerns over TPP-11 ” …
    ………………………………………………………….

    The urgency for release is self evident.

    And despite the lack of tissues to clean up the mess after the act.

    … ” This is an existing provision in the Free Trade Agreement with Korea, and is proposed for inclusion in TPP-11. Despite a clear signal from Labour and the Greens that a ban on non-resident purchases would be part of a future policy, the government did not register an exception ” …

    And so here we have at last , …the elder and much wiser sibling ,… gently and lovingly guiding the new freshly hormone charged prepubescent National party and giving sage advice on temperance and democracy and abstinence and all for the greater good… and yet , … It remains to be seen if aspects of the National party can ever be trusted to ever control their juvenile impulses long enough to admit that yes, … temperance , and indeed democratic processes, are indeed preferable to the giving in to the instant gratification and self interest of the immediate moment.

    Oh ,… and in case you might have been wondering ?… have a wee listen to this , then.

    #13 – Georgia Guide Stones – Episode 13 – YouTube
    georgia guidestones l a marzulli youtube▶ 28:27

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • BORA reform is stalled
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
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  • Redline on the Labour Party
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  • New Fisk
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  • Labour’s failure
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
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    The CivilianBy admin
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  • Cleaning up the water
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Fronting up
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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