With a 2050 Zero Carbon target but no definite actions to rein in green house gas emissions in the here and now, the Zero Carbon Act can only be described as as-per-rashun-nul
The Bill sends some good signals until you get to the section at the end that negates everything else you’ve just read. This section states there is no remedy or relief for failure to meet the 2050 target, meaning there’s no legal compulsion for anyone to take any notice.
“The most anyone can do is get a court to make a ‘declaration’ that the Government isn’t achieving its climate goals, but this declaration doesn’t make the Government actually do anything.”
Norman says without a legal mechanism to enforce targets, the only way the Bill could achieve its targets in practise is through public pressure.
Seems like more rubbish to me. Talk about ineffectual leadership – our nuclear free moment? Our chance to make the changes needed? yeah nah the farmers are too strong, the bankers are too strong, we must increase everything… looks like we are going to have to do it ourselves because we will make the changes one way or the other.
Elections aren't about airing disappointment. They're about showing support.
The point you totally missed is, to get and maintain support one can't afford to continue to disappoint. Thus, it's better for them to know they are letting us down now rather than us remaining silent and not supporting them come election day.
They're letting us down? What would you have them do – tell NZ1 to get stuffed and put forward climate change bills that will be opposed by NZ1 and national, even if NZ1 doesn't wind up the government?
NZ1 is going after National's regional support. They're doing this, in part, by watering down climate change action. The only way to get a better deal is to have national in the mid thirties with labgrn on mid-fifties together, and NZ1 not big enough to be kingmaker.
You think the response to that should be for lefties and greenies to not vote labgrn in 2020? Maybe the answer is to increase their support, rather than look for disappointment.
You're wasting your time, McFlock. All this was put out the other day.
When you repeatedly tell someone the same thing over and over, and they just ignore it, it makes one question motive and intent. It's my opinion the chairman is completely disingenuous, and has an agenda working against the best interests of labour and the greens. It's got so bad, the number of anti posts outnumber those of the right wingers on here by far.
For a supposed lefty and green voter, that’s quite something.
NZ1 is going after National's regional support. They're doing this, in part, by watering down climate change action. The only way to get a better deal is to have national in the mid thirties with labgrn on mid-fifties together, and NZ1 not big enough to be kingmaker.
Interesting logic you are laying out there. So your argument is Labour helping NZF gain National's regional support is going to help in Winston not being big enough to become Kingmaker.
Some would say Labour are extremely poor negotiators going off how much Winston seems to win. So perhaps they should start making improvements there.
You think the response to that should be for lefties and greenies to not vote labgrn in 2020? Maybe the answer is to increase their support, rather than look for disappointment.
No. You missed the point again.
The response is for the left to air their grievances, thus not only making them (the Government) aware of the growing disappointment but also putting supporter pressure on them to up their game so as they can maintain and increase their support come next election.
At the rate of disappointment being created, some would think the Government are doing their best to turn off supporters.
Hell, it's getting that bad we now have left wing supporters talking of voting ACT.
As the Al1en said, we've been through this before. Labour and the Greens are in coalition with a conservative party. They don't have either the mandate from voters or the numbers in Parliament to implement the policies you're demanding. Your "disappointment" that they haven't used their minority of votes in Parliament to ram through a radical legislative programme simply defies logic. If you'd like Labour and Green to implement your preferred policies, help them get a majority in the House.
At the rate of disappointment being created, some would think the Government are doing their best to turn off supporters.
Are you really saying that the Government is creating disappointment in you? Wow. Have you ever considered that you are the one who creates your own disappointment because you set your own expectations? Unrealistic expectations that are beyond your control so that you choose to feel disappointed? Don’t you ever get tired of playing the role of disappointed victim? Maybe you should choose a cause that is within your control, something that you can positively influence. Because your negativity is getting tedious.
If a lefty is serious about voting act, then I'm pretty sure they're not a real lefty to begin with.
Don't be to complacent in that sentiment. There is more than one and reasons why have be laid out.
Moreover, things are getting bad out there. We have no right turn (who is definitely left wing) calling for voters to punish this Government. One can only assume at the polls.
NRT sounds like a bit of a wanker if they're advocating labour/green voters do a 180 and punish the parties by all of us getting a nat/act government after the shit 9 years we had last time.
I guess if you have an upper middle sized income to match your moral outrage it might make things a bit easier to live through.
From the growing amount of disappointment they are creating, I'm far from the only one detecting it. And by the way, while I may not comment on it, I detect far more than that.
Yes, you do, that is exactly what you’re doing! You choose how you feel and react and then spread your concern and disappointment as far and wide as you can and blame these feelings on the Government (Labour and the Greens, to be more precisely). And when we point this out to you, you say “it is not about me” or “there are many others”. I think the Government can and must do better but I resist jumping onto your bandwagon of boo-hoo-hoo. Own your own feelings, like an adult.
I have nothing to do with the Government's policy creation and what they decide to fall short on.
Of course, I'm expressing my opinion and highlighting these shortcomings – in the hope that the more the public roar the more chance the Government will take heed.
And of course, I'm far from the only one the Government has disappointed, as I've highlighted many times. And it's not us that are disappointed that are at fault for speaking out. It's the Government for falling short.
I think the Government can and must do better but I resist jumping onto your bandwagon of boo-hoo-hoo.
You and others holding back only signals to the Government that you are ok with their failings. And one can't expect more out of a Government if you don't let them know you want more. So stop resisting and get on board.
<Sigh> Problems with reading comprehension; you set yourself up for disappointment or exhilaration. I assume you have never done relationship counselling or similar.
You and others holding back only signals to the Government that you are ok with their failings.
False binary and a perfect illustration of your black & white thinking. Life is simple and complex problems can be broken down in small easy parts. I resist your binary and reductionist thinking because that is not reality. So, stop resisting, open your eyes, and see the World how it is and what it may become.
The Chairman doesn't elaborate, The Chairman seeks always to de-Labour-ate; that is, erode confidence in Labour. That's The Chairman's The Fear-man‘s mission.
So getting parties to vote against their own interests in Parliament is just a matter of fighting harder? That's no doubt a comforting notion, but it bears no relationship to reality.
Do you think the Greens will face much blowback from this disappointment?
They'll certainly face a lot of propaganda from people who wish them harm, sure. Those of us who don't wish them harm will credit the party with a significant win in getting NZF to swallow this sizable dead rat.
NZ1 went with the migration pact. Residency requirement for superannuation is still ten years. Didn't even have an MJ policy, and here they are agreeing to implement the decision of the reeferendum.
Labour has a similar list.
So either it's a banquet of Discworld dwarves where everyone is tucking in to the ratburgers for the fun of it, or maybe compromise means a little bit of respectful give and take between partners.
Of course it has an element of truth. Peters has indeed done OK out of coalition negotiations, because that's in the nature of coalition government. Propaganda takes that element of truth and deploys it in support of a propaganda lie, eg " they don't say he's calling the shots for nothing."
The lie is quickly revealed if you look at how it's been deployed the opposite way. Peters has also done badly out of coalition negotiations, because that's in the nature of coalition government – for instance, he's had to accept the ban on future oil and gas exploration, the UN compact on migration, social welfare reform and now zero-carbon goals. His party's acceptance of the first two in particular led to loud calls by propagandists of Peters being Ardern's lapdog. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same propagandists peddling both lies.
Peters has indeed done OK out of coalition negotiations…
Yes, that's the element of truth and why they say he's calling the shots.
He's had to accept the ban on future oil and gas exploration, the UN compact on migration, social welfare reform and now zero-carbon goals.
The ban on future oil and gas exploration isn't what is was cranked up to be, no doubt due to Winston. Welfare reform fell far short and it's yet to be shown he opposes it. And zero carbon has got no teeth. Moreover, was apparently diluted by Winston.
I know how bad the blowfly is – norman is a dick but greenpeace are cool. All plans and ideals get fucked when reality hits and only the goopless get surprised – grow up and do something worthwhile while you're still alive chair.
Indeed. And the reality is the Greens (at this stage) have no backbone. And I would also question their competence going off their track record. Not really made of the right stuff to win negotiations.
Oh no! He might attract a Great Swamp Drainer who will transform him into a National Golf Club. I thought we had enough of nine years of John Key playing golf while New Zealand society was sinking deeper away into the mud after selling off the more valuable bits (no, not the swamp Kauri).
What is this 'loose leaf marijuana' Mark Mitchell keeps talking about. It's like he's got a cue card somewhere to outline 'his' stance on cannabis. This is language nobody ever uses thus it came out of a right wing think-tank.
The Mitchell's need think tanks desperately, to give the illusion of thought.
Speaking of an old cue card… he also said he was too scared to try it for fear of the police… typical old school scare tactics, which do not work since the majority of kiwi's have tried cannabis.
No-one should ever forget how Mark Mitchell came to be a National MP in the first place. He hired Simon Lusk and, with Cameron Slater's help, they got rid of the front runner for the Rodney electorate and Mitchell moved in to take the candidacy. Dirty Politics at a local level.
“In 2014, Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics presented evidence which suggested that Mitchell had hired political strategist Simon Lusk during the National Party selection process for the Rodney electorate. Lusk appeared to have collaborated with blogger Cameron Slater to discredit Mitchell’s opponents, particularly Brent Robinson. Mitchell strongly denies ever paying Lusk or Slater.[9]”
yep mark the cabbage is the worst of a bad bunch. Like a coldslaw he keeps coming back only to show once again how unfit for any leadership position he is. Sad little cabbage.
There are many ways. But the way that I do it is to use the keyboard to select what I want to quote (using shift + movement keys) then push the Double Quote button in the button bar.
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Chris, you just sound as stupid as Mitchell. Nobody rolls up loose leaf unless they're kids or stoners who've run out of the stuff they actually smoke.
This shows that the Mitchells of the world have done no learning yet much posturing as opposition to the matter. Really shitty service for tax dollars having clueless opposition.
Loose leaf weed aka cabbage (cannabis leaf) is usually used for cooking. The flowers of the plant are what is typically smoked, such flowers are dense and sticky and need breaking up, they are never ever loose.
Failed ‘Coup’ a Fake Corporate News Story Designed to Trick Venezuelan Soldiers—and US (and NZ) Public
"After days of breathless reporting in the US media about public and military support for Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro collapsing, and about an April 30 coup by presidential poseur Juan Guaidó, we now know the truth: The whole thing was a fraud, staged at the instigation of Washington in hopes that the Venezuelan people and rank-and-file troops would fall for the trick and think an actual coup was underway. "
Once Again, Mainstream Media Get It Wrong on Venezuela
The Nation
May 2, 2019
"Foreign outlets, dutifully supporting Trump administration calls for regime change, reported that a widespread uprising was underway, even though Juan Guaidó’s coup attempt had little support."
It is quite simple. If the Opposition attempt to unseat Maduro failed miserably because it lacks support in the country how come the main person behind the effort has not been arrested by the Venezuelan authorities?
Because thats all that would be needed to justify Trump's America to invade Venezuela. The 'world*' couldn't exactly stand by and allow the so called 'leader' of Venezuela be imprisoned. (apparently)
It now does the fast search on comments and posts correctly, but with limited selection (ie the Advanced buttons aren't remembering). The @author and other keyword searches need looking at.
And the engine underneath sometimes crashes (looks like a simple SEGV – possibly memory?) and restarts. That displays as a screen with no results. Just do it again.
Anyway, I'll have a crack at the rest of it as soon as I get some time. But work calls and so does my father's 80th. So don't expect it too fast.
He claims that … Those at risk include other unvaccinated children, those being treated for cancer and the elderly.
…while according to the Immunisation Advisory Centre, Adults born in New Zealand prior to 1969 are considered to be immune to measles as there was no measles containing vaccine until 1969 and the disease is so highly infectious. MMR vaccination is not generally indicated for adults born in New Zealand prior to 1969.
Chamberlain also strongly implies that the low rates of vaccination in the North are due to the movie Vaxxed being shown …
The anti-vaccination movement has targetted the region in recently years, he said, and some parents were choosing not to get the children immunised.
"We had [an anti-vaccination] movie which was shown early last year and was targeting Northland in a big way – it started off in Northland and it was shown many, many times throughout Northland."
….he really ought to do a little research, as the data implies the rates have actually increased since the dreaded movie was shown.
So, on the back of this misinformation, and with a grand total of two cases of measles being diagnosed in the North they are strongly suggesting forcing parents of unvaccinated children to keep their children away from school.
In the case of Physicians for Informed Consent, it clearly appears to be yes, the dishonesty from them is indeed deliberate. As always in the case of internet info, it pays to check the source. Here's a few of the hits:
The third link is from Dr David Gorski. As yet another internet source, Gorski is worth checking out. Here's what he has to say about himself, where he also helpfully includes links to his detractors.
Examples of the campaign of vilification over the last 18 years clearly designed to try to silence Dr. Gorski include an accusation of pedophilia by neo-Nazis for his work debunking Holocaust denial, a reference to him as being a “nipple ripper” by a man named Patrick “Tim” Bolen, and a false accusation in 2010 of a nonexistent conflict of interest by an antivaccine website that led to a campaign on the part of antivaccinationists to try to get him fired from his job, as documented here. False claims that he is secretly a shill for the pharmaceutical industry (known as the “pharma shill gambit”) are frequently used to try to discredit him.
Oh, and when it comes the Physicians for Informed Consent's specific dishonesty:
Febrile seizures: by themselves they're common-ish (about 1 in 20 kids will have at least one growing up) and they're scary, but long term effects are very rare. So a 1 in 640 chance after an MMR shot isn't an argument against getting the shot.
Death rate from measles is usually listed at about 1 in a thousand, not the one in 10,000 PIC stated. Some of my family members were permanently disabled from getting measles before the first vaccine was developed. In contrast, I'm not acquainted with or personally aware anyone old enough to have been vaccinated against measles with a measles or vaccine related disability, and the latter group is much larger than the former. PIC are waaay understating the risk from actual measles.
There are a number of published papers addressing adverse effects of vaccines, and while acknowledging harm has been caused by the vaccine, there is much discussion on how best to manage the fallout so as not to deter parents from vaccinating their children.
The only reason the Urabe strain MMR vaccine is in any way an argument against vaccination is because there are other MMR vaccines with even lower risk of side effects than the already very low risk of Urabe strain MMR vaccines. But the Urabe strain was continued in use in some places after the others were developed, because Urabe was cheaper.
As far as I can tell, the last wealthy country to use Urabe MMR was the UK, and it was discontinued there 30ish years ago. We're a wealthy country, we don't use Urabe, it's not an an argument against vaccination programs here in NZ.
Rosemary, by your eagerness to throw out these out-of-context historical factoids that are irrelevant to modern NZ context, you are very much part of the problem.
Merck are defending/stalling against two of their own researchers who claim the efficacy statistics of the mumps component of MMR were fraudulently derived…
The claims stem from 2011 and are qualified by the recent and present time mumps outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations…
That mumps outbreaks continue to happen in highly vaccinated population (mumps vaccine effectiveness is quoted as 78% to 88% effective), but the likelihood of measles outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations is effectively zero (measles vaccine effectiveness 93% to 97%) neatly shows that herd immunity is indeed a thing.
But even those for whom the mumps vaccine isn't effective, they're still likely to benefit from having had it. Because the disease is likely to be less severe for them. Which is why it's recommended to get a booster shot if you're at risk during an outbreak.
edit: That difference in effectiveness is why measles and rubella are considered eradicable diseases (like smallpox was eradicated) but mumps is not.
Furthermore, there was an increased risk of hospital admission for febrile convulsion 15–35 days after receipt of a Urabe-containing MMR vaccine (an attributable risk of approximately 1 in 1,500 doses), indicating that the real risk of acute neurologic consequences from the Urabe mumps component of MMR was underestimated when using case ascertainment methods that were reliant on laboratory investigations (5).
So, the Urabe strain fell out of favour (although it is/was still used, as in the above study, in places like Brazil and El Salvador) and the more benign yet less effective Jeryl Lynne strain of mumps was used.
A similar scenario played out with pertussis if I remember rightly….initial strains gave good protection but had unacceptable levels of harm, so a less harmful but also less effective version was rolled out which still struggles to protect especially babies. I understand the latest protocol demands that the pregnant mum be vaccinated to afford protect to the newborn. http://www.immune.org.nz/diseases/pertussis
DISCUSSION( From the link at 5.2.1.2.1)
The risk of aseptic meningitis associated with MMR
vaccine has been well described, especially concerning
Urabe-containing products (1-4, 11, 12), and our
results are similar to previous risk estimations (as in the
work by Miller et al. (1)) of an incidence of nearly 1
case per 10,000 vaccinees. In spite of previous reports,
the Urabe-containing MMR vaccine was previously
judged by the Brazilian National Immunization
Program to be beneficial for use in a mass immuniza-
tion campaign, for reasons that included 1) the relative
rarity of adverse events, 2) the relative cost and possi-
bly higher immunogenicity in comparison with the
Jeryl Lynn-containing MMR vaccine (13-15), and
3) the clear net benefit of MMR immunization in a con-
text of high incidence of natural mumps infection and a
consequently high incidence of meningitis (16).
This study raises new practical questions regarding
public health. The issue is not simply whether or not a
specific vaccine is associated with an adverse event,
but the extent to which a specific vaccination strategy
influences the visibility of the adverse event despite its
confirmed relative rarity, and hence affects public con-
BTW, you got a link for your assertion about Merck and their researchers? Or is it just a slur that you're trying to give credibility by including it with a separate topic you have actually linked to?
Some of my family members were permanently disabled from getting measles before the first vaccine was developed.
I know what you mean. I used to run across people with some truly crippling injuries from various diseases before vaccines for them, and then afterwards in the interregnum as the population gained enough immunisation density to stop the diseases. Polio, german measles, adult mumps, even bad scarring chickenpox plus a host of other diseases.
There are also a host of other diseases that the young and stupid simply have no idea about. For instance, one of grandfathers had a simple boil in the 1920s (something that is really rare these days compared to when I grew up). But his was before the days of antibiotics. The boil went all the way into the bone marrow of his left leg (it is called osteomyelitis) and he lost all of the marrow.
Which meant that his leg didn’t grow fully. Moreover, he lost about half of his natural immunity levels from the loss of white corpuscle. He was a sickly cripple in the depression and would have died if penicillin hadn’t arrived when he was in hospital. He lived until he was over 80 working steadily until retirement, but was on massive antibiotic doses for more than 40 years.
The problem with anti-vaxxers generally seems to be that they are simply choose to unaware of the history benefits of various medical procedures and the much smaller risks associated with using them.
Rather than pushing for “informed consent”, I mostly view every anti-vaxxer I have seem as just being the “ill-informed discontent”. Apparently too foolish to read the history of diseases over the last century.
Not to mention that they seem to specialise in lying by accident or design with some of the really idiotic statistics they keep quoting (with no apparent basis) about what they seem to view as being the halcyon days before vaccines dropped the disease exposure rates, antibiotics stopped people dying of bacterial diseases, and inadequate sewerage systems reduced the death rates in cities from incipient cholera to people being able to complain about the taste of the water.
I wonder how many pro-diseaser minds would change if they actually experienced or saw a lot of people around them suffering from these diseases.
There's reasons third world mothers walk for hours carrying their kids in the hot sun when a vaccination clinic visits their nearest town. They can see the difference between those who get vaccinated and those who don't. (Fuck I felt bad when we drove past a couple of mums carrying their kids walking down the road, then hours later in the town where we stopped they walk up to the clinic. Even though there wasn't anywhere we could have fitted them in the car)
I had osteomyelitis as a kid. It was hell. The pain I experienced was in the hip and was excruciating. I had to lie with a pillow between my legs for hours. I was off school for weeks, and had to give up all sport for years. Lots of penicillin and then it was gone. At the time I had constant sore throats, scarlet fever, mumps and every other thing going. I have no lasting effects fortunately, and had completely forgotten about it until your story above.
One immunologist on the whole leadership panel? holistic medicine practitioners on the leadership council? The founder felt personally assaulted when California removed personal and religious choice options about vaccination?
That website is not run by a medically recognised council. they're quacks
You know infectious disease rates are higher in poor areas with strong church affiliations?
I advise not engaging with OT on the issue of vaccination as the person using that pseudonym has little of merit to offer apart from very selective misrepresentation of science.
It would be nice if the likes of One Two posting malicious bullshit could be just ignored. The problem is if the bullshit gets taken as an actual truth and acted on by someone, then real harm could be the result.
Indeed – therefore best just to post information that refutes their position (as you did) and then avoid engaging with their bluster which'll undoubtedly follow at some stage.
Although, if you're in the right mood for it, it can be quite entertaining being the subject of derogatory commentary that's nuttier than a pot of satay sauce.
In the meantime, the Chair of the Northland DHB thinks it makes good sense to spread bullshit in an attempt to justify excluding kids from school.
When they (DHBs calling for a national campaign against anti vaxxers) have already been told by IMAC that anti-vaxxers are not the major cause of low vaccine uptake.
Anecdata from my niece who is a practicing doctor in Northland suggests there are pockets where immunisation rates are low enough, coupled with the extreme contagiousness of measles, that excluding unvaccinated kids from schools is at least justifiable.
It's a shitload easier to deal with the downside of some kids not going to school for a while than it is dealing with a measles outbreak. Any parents finding it too hard to deal with their kids being at home because they're unvaccinated has an easy and free solution: get their kids vaccinated.
Firstly, elderly born in NZ are regarded as immune.
Secondly, just because I had a little free time at work, I had a look at northland vax rates for 5 calendar years, using your link. Short story: vax rates in 5yo increased 2014-2018. Vax rates at 6months, 8months, 12 months, 18months, and 24 months were all static or increasing 2014-2017, decreasing in 2017-2018.
Looks like some fools are delaying vaccination until their kids get the B4school check.
6m 8m 12m 18m 24m 5y
12 month period ending December 2014 67%88%90%79%88%75%
Don't automatically diss the system. They have a problem and are attempting to confront it and get people to acknowledge it. Crazy to keep on doing what has always been done.
We used to have buses that went around areas making it easy toget medical help. When we were a country with aspirations for being a good place to bring children up in.
So, it is acceptable for the regional health authority to lie and misrepresent?
Answer…No. Never. It is lazy and indicates utter contempt for the population they are responsible for.
He needs to get off his chuff and go and find out why the children are not being vaccinated…and perhaps not calling it an outbreak when when at least one of the two cases of measles is from out of the area.
And perhaps asking why its ok to threaten excluding kids from school in the North after only two cases, when this was not touted as an option in regions with more confirmed cases of measles and similar immunisation rates.
I'll engage with any anti-vax idiot. While they won't listen and continue to seek out self selecting, pseudo-science bull shit on the internet, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be held to account for their stupidity.
Every time is see some fuckwit complaining that anti-vaxxers get a bad rep, despite their claims they only use 'Facts", I remind myself how many people died from preventable communicable diseases before vaccination.
I am old enough to remember the many of my schoolmates, who ended up in hospital, from the effects of diseases that vaccines have made uncommon. Some have ended up with serious lifelong disabilities, and a couple had deformed children from Rubella. My mother remembers classmates who died from polio, and whooping cough. I had shingles in my teens, from chicken pox, and nearly lost an eye.
Anyone who refuses to vaccinate their kids, exposing them to those risks, is, make no mistake, a child abuser.
If vaccines are as bloody dangerous, as the anti vaxxers claim, where are the hospitals full of 'vaccine injured" children'? I've only met one person, in my life, who genuinely and provably seriously reacts to vaccines. And she fully recovered after an allergic reaction. Do anti vaxxers seriously believe that millions of Doctors, nurses and hospital staff are hiding millions of vaccine reactions. The hospitals would be full and overflowing.
The really silly thing about it is, if we vaccinated enough people to eradicate diseases such as chicken pox and measles, then we would no longer have to vaccinate against them. Removing the, small risk, of vaccinating against them, for future generations.
The do believe that millions of doctors and nurses are wrong They probably believe the wards of vaccine injured children are hidden behind the ice walls patrolled by the world army. all part of the same conspiracy doncha know?
Will the smoke that is emitted from smoking cannabis weed be more climate change alkenes and the alkynes emission those alkanes?
Has any robust studies science based been done about this climate change effects of the extra set of those extra mixed alkanes emitted to our atmosphere?.
Dr Chamberlain seems to be assuming no one is going to actually take the time to check his claims against the nationally collected and collated data. Pity, because you win no one over when you treat them like fools. Those seriously committed to vaccine transparency (as are the Physicians for Informed Consent you linked to) will jump all over his claims.
The ordinary person? Some of the not so bright will simply forget that anyone over the age of 55 has most likely got natural immunity to this,and many other, common diseases and will probably not know about the well documented decline in some of these diseases before the advent of vaccinations. This is history, but like so much these days it can be revised to fit a particular narrative.
I guess with our NDHB Chair we have a simple case of him being desperate to blame something for the perceived low uptake of vaccination in the North, but as Nikki Turner from IMAC said a few months ago…the anti vaxxers are only a small part of the 'problem' of low compliance. There's other stuff going on that leads to low uptake….blaming a movie is sheer idleness, and when this is combined with outright bullshittery it would not surprise me if more parents decline some vaccinations because the local health boss lied to guilt trip them into compliance.
A neat summation of your maths/logic and why your comments are bigoted.
There is 1:1 correlation between suffering autism and having parents.
There is a 1:1 correlation between a mother and a child…
There is a 1:1 correlation between being a vaccinated child and having a mother…
There is a 1:1 correlation between a vaccine and the chemical compounds / ingredients which do cause damage (including autism)…
There is a 1:1 correlation between suffering vaccine damage and having received vaccine(s)…
There is a 1:1 correlation between a vaccine damaged child and having a mother…
There is a 1:1 correlation between your insulting and abusive comments towards mothers (and fathers) who choose to selectively vaccinate or not vaccinate at all …. being misogynistic and bigoted…
Following your 'maths'…every child who has received vaccine(s) has a mother …and is therefore genetically pre-disposed to autism…which could be triggered by vaccination(s)…
I have yet to see a sound reason coming from the prudes as to why we should continue to criminalise people for having a couple of cones on a Saturday night or having a a couple of tinnies in their pocket. This is the real issue at hand. It really all stems from the whole Calvinistic attitude that if you make the slightest mistake, you have to spend the rest of your life paying for it, in this case, apparently Bennett, Bridges, Garner and McCroskie think that having a few tinnies makes you an evil sinner, and is grounds for having a conviction against your record, leaving you locked out of housing and job oppurtunties for the rest of your life.
Discliamer: I have never touched cannabis, and I probably never will.
When you put it that way, I too can claim probably claim to have never touched cannabis. On all the occasions I've partaken, someone else supplied it and the joints were just getting passed around.
Instead of the 'have you ever used cannabis?' carry on from journalists, I would rather they asked 'have you met with any alcohol/supermarket lobbyists?'
Very witty Robert. What do those in the know think about marijuana – does it make you witty, think you are witty when not, slow the brain down or make you feel good then depressed?
Only ever driven once after having a few tokes. It scared the crap out of me. I lost the ability to see and interpret anything outside of the twenty metres or so in front of me that was brightly lit by my headlights.
Then when I was at a party where I needed to drive home, and some joints were getting passed around, I was going to pass. But then my girlfriend at the time said she'd be fine to drive, so I went ahead and had some puffs. When she drove us home, it was obvious her night vision was impaired in exactly the same way.
Also crawling down the road doing about 40kph but feels like you're doing over 100 while paranoid as shit that the cops may pull you over.
Ha ha that brings back memories. God yes, the cops could probably just police driving stoned by looking out for drivers creeping along at low speed while looking terrified at how fast they're going – might mistakenly arrest a few old people, though.
less fights than alcohol, quieter too. Not completely aggro free, and paranoia can come into play, but doesn't affect coordination as much. Does slow people down, though.
Haven't smoked for a very long time, personally, I'm not keen about the commercialisation of weed and making it socially mainstream.
I have no issue with people who want to smoke it, grow a few plants or buy a bit off their mates and do that legally, but I don't want to go down the same path as Colorado and have a full-blown recreational drug industry.
I wouldn't like to see this sort of shit happening in NZ, we've got enough societal issues as it is.
on the ground floor eh – I'm sick of people telling others what not to do especially when they did it themselves. growers will never let it go coloradolegal – get real – try sorting out climate change instead of bullshittingly trying to be a moral pygmy on this.
When we think of government and elect people to represent us, we think of governmenht running things, directing things with a strong overview of their expectations to fulfil policies we want. What we get is the job of government siphoned off to agencies with the power of royalty. I think we have been, and are being hornswoggled. That is a made-up word for a cunning plan to sell us a made-up story about having a government that's 'ours', nationally and locally.
Panuku Developments Ltd – Auckland know all about how to combat fairness and imbalance.
n a statement, Panuku Development said it aimed to make the best use of any revenue from land sales. "When we sell a site, the revenue generated is channelled into a pot from which we prioritise expenditure based on the best use of those funds," the statement said.
"This is as opposed to a specific area being promised it will retain all of the funds raised from the sale of assets in its location, which is a system that creates unfairness and imbalance."
But Otara community leaders don't agree:
Efeso Collins, the chair of Ōtara Health, said while the community was happy to share some of the revenue, 40 percent going to wealthier suburbs was hard to take. "The disappointment is that so much of it is the poor subsidising the wealthy," he said.
Mr Collins said the money could be spent on local health services instead.
"The thinking needs to be what's going to serve Ōtara first and then what can we share with what's left over as opposed to work out a plan that doesn't really have our voice in it and then go off and split the money that way."
This is the mission statement that tops the Paunuku Developments site. Shaping spaces for Aucklanders to love
Examples: April 2019 : Consent granted for Queens Wharf upgrade; New plan for Northcote's Town Centre; Urban Walking Festival.
Sounds like nice things for the haves with time and money and opportunity to enjoy the provisions of spaces aimed at the middle-class.
About:
Panuku Development Auckland helps to regenerate parts of our city – from small projects that refresh a site or building, to major transformations of town centres or neighbourhoods….
Panuku Development Auckland is the Council-controlled organisation that delivers urban regeneration in Tāmaki Makaurau (Auckland). We’re here to radically improve your quality of living.
Our city is facing rapid growth. Quality development is required to accommodate this growth, and to ensure people love and can afford to live in Auckland.
We imagine a city of strong neighbourhoods.
We work across many neighbourhoods throughout our city – from large, long-term urban regeneration plans to small projects on specific sites – to meet the needs of the city’s long-term growth, including more types of homes people can afford.
We work alongside the locals, other parts of council and businesses to regenerate our city in ways that benefit both our local communities and Auckland as a whole.
We make a profit for council, but at the same time we ensure our buildings contribute positively to their neighbourhoods.
Someone living in an area Whangaparoa? which Panuku has plans to sell wrote to the old Council about access
and received this modspeak : “Patricia seems to be getting no further with Auckland Transport (AT), since the Councils amalgamated. AT clearly told her in recent correspondence that although it “supports walking to make Auckland one of the world’s most liveable cities”, her problems score low against their set criteria for pavement construction and improving safety.” Words, words. https://localmatters.co.nz/news/32469-twentyyear-battle-safe-access.html
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The only man on the planet who could bankrupt a business where the house always wins. And then he started a cult.
But in the granular detail of tax results, it gives a precise accounting of the president’s financial failures and of the constantly shifting focus that would characterize his decades in business. In contrast to his father’s stable and profitable empire of rental apartments in Brooklyn and Queens, Mr. Trump’s primary sources of income changed year after year, from big stock earnings, to a single year of more than $67.1 million in salary, to a mysterious $52.9 million windfall in interest income. But always, those gains were overwhelmed by losses on his casinos and other projects.
The new information also suggests that Mr. Trump’s 1990 collapse might have struck several years earlier if not for his brief side career posing as a corporate raider. From 1986 through 1988, while his core businesses languished under increasingly unsupportable debt, Mr. Trump made millions of dollars in the stock market by suggesting that he was about to take over companies. But the figures show that he lost most, if not all, of those gains after investors stopped taking his takeover talk seriously.
I'm a little surprised the powers that be want to highlight these losses and shenanigans. For starters he's simply operating in an economic and legal structure/system specifically designed and lacking in proper regulation to allow this sort of thing.
And secondly, I was going to type out a list of companies, corporations and rich individuals that operate at a loss, or small profit, but the list is so long I don't even know where to start.
Though I guess you could say its a shame Trump wasn't more invested in Banking, subprime mortgages and hedge funds…he could have been bailed out by Bush/Obama
The notion that tRump's hugely successful businesses would make him a successful president swayed a goodly portion of the electorate.The fact that he's always been a loser in business will hurt him. Hence the secrecy about his taxes.
And losses accounting for fully 1 percent of all the losses that the I.R.S. reported had been declared by individual taxpayers in a particular year do rather set him apart.
The peeps also have a mistaken idea about busines, as being next to God somehow. Unfortunately much of USA religion is connected to a business, so they are in double trouble when trying to discriminate what is good, what is gold, what is dross and fool's gold.
Yeah, but the IRS don't know very much about anything, they have very select insights into a very small group of individuals..simply because they do not make a habit of investigating the very rich.
And I can not find very good information on why people voted for Trump..just supposition by people who were probably absolutely clueless as to why so many people didn't buy the Democrats vision. However I have been repeatedly been assured it was because of the Russians.
Personally I agree with you..it was because of his perceived 'success'. which was all smoke and mirrors..but that pretty much sums up most wealth..and in America it would seem appearances are what matter. Certainly, until he ran for President, his 'success' was enough to earn him Bill and Hillarys friendship.
However my point still stands..all this simply highlights the corrupt system..as much as The Donalds uselessness. Assuming you can call becoming President a failure.
“To address the long-term challenge of climate change, today we introduce the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill to Parliament,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said.
“We’ve built a practical consensus across Government that creates a plan for the next 30 years, which provides the certainty industries need to get in front of this challenge.
Are we now on a list of missile sites? The space experiments that have gone on from our country are USA militarily connected. Would we be a handy target now if a warning shot was to be sent as a prelude to actually firing directly at he USA. Nobody in our eager beaver money players seems to have our strategy in mind when they sign up to doing some sort of overseas collaboration. Is there money in it? Okay let's do it.
Rocket Lab is touted as a NZ entrepreneurial success story. Indeed it is, although it is now a US based company headquartered in Huntington Beach, USA, with a NZ subsidiary based in Auckland and on the Mahia Peninsula. Most of the capital invested in Rocket Lab now comes from US based funds and companies. The Electron engines are built in Huntington Beach and the launch vehicle assembled in Auckland.
There can be no doubt that Rocket Lab is revolutionising the space industry. But the launch of foreign military satellites by a NZ based company from a launch site on sovereign NZ soil raises some important political, practical and legal questions.
This got put in Open Mike for the 7th but it is really current so I carry over the last bits of the discussion on the WWEG and the government and the spending and Budget etc.
In Vino I note and agree with you, which is pretty usual.
I used to dislike The Chairman because he was negative too early in my opinion, a disagreeable old moaner, in my opinion, when we needed to watch, encourage, wait for results and not put weedkiller on our patch.
But I read some of his stuff the other day and think his opinion was right for the time. He made a case that would allow Prime Minister Jacinda to press forward using leverage on her popularity with NZ, and get the austerity-for-everyone-but-me Labourites off their bums and looking across the room at other figures and numbers. They don't care about people in need and the founding ideals of Labour. But figures and numbers that show money spent now will save huge expense later would crown their miserly minds; and Labour could draw on reserves set aside now for those high expected future expenses. Spend now, and produce three-fold advantage of drops in expenditure in ten years or such.
From my comment at 1 1 1 1 I think I quoted The Chairman saying what I consider should be pressed on the Labour Coalition leaders prior to the Budget of the 30th May.
Sixty-five percent of New Zealand First supporters wanted the party to go with Labour. Who widely campaigned on addressing poverty and inequality.
Additionally, if it were just Bradford and I that are disappointed Labour wouldn't have a problem. Unfortunately for them, the disappointment is widespread.
Moreover, failing to deliver on more of the recommendations sooner will lead to their fiscal management coming under the spotlight. People will question why they aren't prepared to invest now to save the greater cost and social harm of not doing so.
I agree, Greywarshark.. he has lately posted some fair arguments and material. But I am still wary. I remember the lovely 'out' that hard-out bible-bangers use – 'The Devil may use the Scriptures for his own purposes.' ..
I remain sceptical, even if he may be quite correct in your quote above. Even a subversive may use the truth.
From prior studies of shared autism in twins, scientists had estimated that 90 percent of autism risk was attributable to genes and only 10 percent to non-genetic environmental factors.
But the new study — the largest ever of twins in which at least one in each pair has autism — shows almost the opposite
I thought this was weird but on closer reading it makes a lot of sense. I have to weigh up whether I continue to wear my TFH or biff it & risk wifi-madness vs. government knowing my thoughts. Would be happy with Jacinda in the know, but not Simon, so may ditch the TFH if Nats win the next election.
The spectrum's diversity can be explained much more easily when one lends weight to environmental factors as exacerbating pre-existing tendencies (genetics) to a disease outcome.
Vaginal vs caesarian birth, breast milk vs formula, country vs city, spray regimes, antibiotic history, diet, peer group, travel history… makeup of the microbiome…
No. Reading the blurb he'd be preaching to the choir. Deep ecology. Bring it.
My money's on the microbes as to who might survive all these shenanigans however. Give them another billion years or so the next rise of 'intelligence' – hairless bunnies rule the earth, then, being very fond of refrigerated carrots, but not having learned the whole CFC thing, they all die of sunburn. Rumor has it some go deep underground and wage war on the mollipedes for cavern space.
As you politely pointed out to one of this sites less informed commentators (quite a feat among that angry little mans group) who attempted to claim autism was simply the outcome of genetics…
There are an impossible number of environmental variations injected, injected (untested) and absorbed into and by pregnant woman and new borns from within moments of birth , many of which are only recently being explored regarding the microbiome and potential trigger factors…
Taking an absolute position that one single type of one single product line does not, or will not cause autism…is a ridiculous position to hold…
so if there are an impossible number of environmental variations that can cause autism and 10% of the factors are genetic, genetics are a larger risk factor than vaccines in causing autism.
do the math, educate yourself. Parenting can lead to autism
There is 1:1 correlation between suffering autism and having parents.
There is a 1:1 correlation between a mother and a child…
There is a 1:1 correlation between being a vaccinated child and having a mother…
There is a 1:1 correlation between a vaccine and the chemical compounds / ingredients which do cause damage (including autism)…
There is a 1:1 correlation between suffering vaccine damage and having received vaccine(s)…
There is a 1:1 correlation between a vaccine damaged child and having a mother…
There is a 1:1 correlation between your insulting and abusive comments towards mothers (and fathers) who choose to selectively vaccinate or not vaccinate at all …. being misogynistic and bigoted…
Following your 'maths'…every child who has received vaccine(s) has a mother …and is therefore genetically pre-disposed to autism…which could be triggered by vaccination(s)…
…"Following your 'maths'…every child who has received vaccine(s) has a mother …and is therefore genetically pre-disposed to autism…which could be triggered by vaccination(s)…"
I'm glad to know you agree that there is a stronger link between genetics and autism than vaccines and austism.
…"There is a 1:1 correlation between your insulting and abusive comments towards mothers (and fathers) who choose to selectively vaccinate or not vaccinate at all …. being misogynistic and bigoted…"
It's not misogynistic or bigoted. It's a refusal to let idiots who harm the community be allowed to harm the community.
I've just used your own commentary against you to illustrate that it is both misogynistic and bigoted.
Notably, those such as yourself must all be guys who push the same misogynistic and bigoted ignorance…
It's a refusal to let idiots who harm the community be allowed to harm the community.
The refusal (denial), is by those who share views such as evidenced in commentary on this site (all guys), to accept or acknowledge decades of medical and scientific archives full with studies regarding vaccine failure and vaccine related damage and death.
Such denial is pure anti-science and bigotry… perhaps that goes over your head or is filtered out …
I'm like a one person climate change march
Conflating vaccine damage , death, denial and bigotry with climate change activism…
I responded to use your own commentary against you…that was the only reason…I just needed to hold back until you provided the material.
'The refusal (denial), is by those who share views such as evidenced in commentary on this site (all guys), to accept or acknowledge decades of medical and scientific archives full with studies regarding vaccine failure and vaccine related damage and death.
Such denial is pure anti-science and bigotry… perhaps that goes over your head or is filtered out …'
The most repetitive purveyor of pure anti-science and non-acceptance of the weight of scientific and medical literature is the poster who goes under the handle of one two.
There is no evidence that immunisation with MMR vaccine leads to autism, there is considerable evidence that Andrew Wakefield (previously Dr now struck off) authored a fraudulent research paper claiming a link between the MMR vaccine and autism and bowel disease. This fraud, understandably, caused a number of concerned parents at the time to not vaccinate their children.
The most repetitive purveyor of pure anti-science and non-acceptance of the weight of scientific and medical literature is the poster who goes under the handle of one two
Are you upset from the ethics discussion?…you should stop projecting your lack of knowledge, understanding …and weak linkage onto me…
You should consider broadening the inputs of the material you read…I see you enjoy the links to Offit/Gorski etc…and comment in support of the angry uninformed men who also exhibit their misogynistic bigotry (Gorski style) …
That is not the material which will assist your personal growth…
Reading and absorbing such material is keeping you, and others who function at a similar stunted level, on this subject…fixated on the same tired and misused tropes such was MMR/Wakefield…
If you were remotely capable of having this discussion, then you would have something more to offer…at this stage, you do not…
So you post comments projecting your under-informed frustrations outwards…
Pivoting from junk science to pseudo ethics to support your increasingly fragile premise?
I've noted you do this every time your sources and arguments are factually refuted. It's sad really, a classic example of the crazy person who thinks they are the only sane person in a world full of crazies
But you didn't use my own argument against me? you proved my argument to be correct and your own argument wrong. You then used your proof to label me misogynistic and bigoted.
So what you've done is slur a factually correct argument with labels because you don't like it being correct, despite your assertions proving it correct.
Yes. I did. The question mark you use signals that you don’t even back yourself…
you proved my argument to be correct and your own argument wrong.
What was my argument ?
You then used your proof to label me misogynistic and bigoted.
Yes, your comments are misogynistic and bigoted…and I used your comments and stated opinion regarding genetic pre-disposition to autism as being related to all children (your stated comments)…who all have mothers/parents…
I linked a study which indicates that genetic pre-disposition is a factor…(so I ask you again…what was my argument)…oh yes…that your comments are abusive, insulting… misogynistic bigotry…
…which of course they are …
Against the Mothers/parents whose genetically pre-disposed children are damaged by environmental elements and compounds including the ingredients of vaccines…
And you continue to abuse and insult those mothers/parents…
I'll not be spending any more energy responding to point out the misogynistic bigotry contained within your insults and abuse towards the mothers/parents of genetically pre-disposed vaccine damaged children…
Autism is a spectrum, there are many factors attributed to higher incidences of Autism in many studies which I examined for over 18 months. Vaccines were NEVER one of them.
I'm on the spectrum and have a vested interest in the truth.
You're not interested in what professionals say. You're spreading nonsense and no matter what is said/shown you sit on your silly high horse continuing like everyone else is a shill.
I was interested in reading about early colonial history and the women who was paid to ride a horse to visit isolated Maori villages and talk about the problems of alcohol and encourage the women in particular to be alcohol free. She found in one area the whole hapu laid low with measles, with no outside help, no medicines. Their was some control about leaving the area so as to prevent it spreading which I think was set by Maori; a sort of rahui. She knew that they would die if help wasn't given and had to slip away to get out so she could advise the hospital authorities for that area. She succeeded and would not, I am sure, indulge in the rhetoric of anti-vaccers calling mostly, on their own bloated authority.
The strength of argumentative people who want to apply exactness to disease prevention here, has to be viewed alongside those who have upset people against the WHO trying to vaccinate against polio. They have been so inflamed by the diseased words they hear that they have killed health workers.
This behaviour has been a political ploy in the past, spreading the word that the vaccinations are sneaky ways of killing off your children by politicians and powers trying to clear people off the area, or take control of their lives. I think basically it is a power-play and is really despicable behaviour going straight to emotion and fear of the vulnerable, not encouraging people to look at it from the factual and rational POV.
[NEW DELHI] While India’s oral polio vaccine (OPV) drives have eliminated polio from the country, they have also resulted in over 490,000 cases of paralysis during 2000—2017, says a new study based on national surveillance statistics.
I think basically it is a power-play and is really despicable behaviour going straight to emotion and fear of the vulnerable, not encouraging people to look at it from the factual and rational POV
Your comments, like others here are laced with emotion, and lack both factual and rational content…in direct aggression against the vulnerable…
As I have illustrated above. Using your own comments and providing examples against them…
India uses the very cheap oral live polio vaccine, New Zealand (like most wealthy countries) uses injectable inactivated (dead) polio vaccine which is even safer than the already very very low hazard of the oral vaccine. Using figures from a poor vastly populous country like India (which necessarily uses the cheapest) to scaremonger in wealthy New Zealand (which has the money to buy what’s best for the people) is just straight-up malicious dishonesty.
Now to look at the actual numbers: the risk of oral polio vaccine induced paralysis is generally quoted at around 3 per million doses. The generally quoted risk of paralysis from an actual wild polio infection is 5000 per million. If I were heading to a polio-endemic area and the oral vaccine was the only one available, the 3 per million risk of the vaccine vs the 5000 per million risk of the disease makes it a no brainer (as indeed I had in 1969). But the inactivated booster I got in 1998 is even more of a no-brainer.
One Two, the actual article your scaremongering piece springboarded off of looked at Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis.
It found a weak correlation in parts of India with OPV administration and no causative mechanism was even suggested. A weak correlation in parts of India with its poor sanitation, poor nutrition, and massive load of other disease is hardly solid grounds for making the kinds of assertions the SciDev piece made and you repeated here.
Now, there's a couple of things to note about Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis that are right there in the name.
The Non-Polio bit means that the usual means of diagnosing polio turned up negative for those patients. It's not polio. And indeed, it occurs in places where polio has long been eradicated, like the US.
The second bit to note is the Acute bit. That means it's non-permanent. It's certainly a nasty illness, but it doesn't leave a permanent disability the way actual polio does.
Exactly! Instead of Environmental versus Genetic or Nature versus Nature it is the interplay between these two ‘levels’ (for want of a better word) that mutually influence each other through multiple positive and negative feedback loops.
Coming from a team of professionals (Minds for Minds) who studied this exact subject it surprised me the amount of people still trying to pin down one gene/bacteria/incidence to Autism. But then the drive for creating a drug is very strong in this crowd. Many genuinely care. Others… meh.
Things that sometimes alleviate ASD symptoms
Antibiotics. (often better at first, then worse)
Fecal transplants.
The gut bacteria are obviously key players in the severity of presentation of the disease. A healthy gut flora can help but the picky diets of many ASD sufferers make this difficult. The prebiotic fibres of many fruits and vegetables are important feedstocks for various probiotic species.
The reasons for picky food preferences, however, are not just do to with texture and taste. Often the gut microbiome is already compromised and a bad stomach ache and/or the squirts follow healthy eating as microbes do battle and the immune system goes into overdrive. In these cases antibiotics then a direct fecal transplant may help where a microbe population should be replaced rather than encouraged toward a more healthy makeup.
It's all relatively new to science, this thinking across disciplines, supposing maybe more than one thing is at play. They like to pin stuff down and make claims A begets B!
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Images of US students (and others) protesting and setting up tent cities on US university campuses have been broadcast world wide and clearly demonstrate the growing rifts in US society caused by US policy toward Israel and Israel’s prosecution of … Continue reading → ...
Barrie Saunders writes – Dear Paul As the new Minister of Media and Communications, you will be inundated with heaps of free advice and special pleading, all in the national interest of course. For what it’s worth here is my assessment: Traditional broadcasting free to air content through ...
Many criticisms are being made of the Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill, including by this writer. But as with everything in politics, every story has two sides, and both deserve attention. It’s important to understand what the Government is trying to achieve and its arguments for such a bold reform. ...
Peter Dunne writes – The great nineteenth British Prime Minister, William Gladstone, once observed that “the first essential for a Prime Minister is to be a good butcher.” When a later British Prime Minister, Harold Macmillan, sacked a third of his Cabinet in July 1962, in what became ...
Ele Ludemann writes – New Zealanders had the OECD’s second highest tax increase last year: New Zealanders faced the second-biggest tax raises in the developed world last year, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) says. The intergovernmental agency said the average change in personal income tax ...
We all know something’s not right with our elections. The spread of misinformation, people being targeted with soundbites and emotional triggers that ignore the facts, even the truth, and influence their votes.The use of technology to produce deep fakes. How can you tell if something is real or not? Can ...
This video includes conclusions of the creator climate scientist Dr. Simon Clark. It is presented to our readers as an informed perspective. Please see video description for references (if any). This year you will be lied to! Simon Clark helps prebunk some misleading statements you'll hear about climate. The video includes ...
It is all very well cutting the backrooms of public agencies but it may compromise the frontlines. One of the frustrations of the Productivity Commission’s 2017 review of universities is that while it observed that their non-academic staff were increasing faster than their academic staff, it did not bother to ...
Buzz from the Beehive Two speeches delivered by Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters at Anzac Day ceremonies in Turkey are the only new posts on the government’s official website since the PM announced his Cabinet shake-up. In one of the speeches, Peters stated the obvious: we live in a troubled ...
1. Which of these would you not expect to read in The Waikato Invader?a. Luxon is here to do business, don’t you worry about thatb. Mr KPI expects results, and you better believe itc. This decisive man of action is getting me all hot and excitedd. Melissa Lee is how ...
…it has a restricted jurisdiction which must not be abused: it is not an inquisitionNOTE – this article was published before the High Court ruled that Karen Chhour does not have to appear before the Waitangi Tribunal Gary Judd writes – The High Court ...
Lindsay Mitchell writes – One of reasons Oranga Tamariki exists is to prevent child neglect. But could the organisation itself be guilty of the same?Oranga Tamariki’s statistics show a decrease in the number and age of children in care. “There are less children ...
David Farrar writes: Graeme Edgeler wrote in 2017: In the first five years after three strikes came into effect 5248 offenders received a ‘first strike’ (that is, a “stage-1 conviction” under the three strikes sentencing regime), and 68 offenders received a ‘second strike’. In the five years prior to ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has surprised everyone with his ruthlessness in sacking two of his ministers from their crucial portfolios. Removing ministers for poor performance after only five months in the job just doesn’t normally happen in politics. That’s refreshing and will be extremely ...
TL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy in the two days to 6:06am on Thursday, April 25:Politics: PM Christopher Luxon has set up a dual standard for ministerial competence by demoting two National Cabinet ministers while leaving also-struggling ...
Hi,Today I mainly want to share some of your thoughts about the recent piece I wrote about success and failure, and the forces that seemingly guide our lives. But first, a quick bit of housekeeping: I am doing a Webworm popup in Los Angeles on Saturday May 11 at 2pm. ...
It is hard to see what Melissa Lee might have done to “save” the media. National went into the election with no public media policy and appears not to have developed one subsequently. Lee claimed that she had prepared a policy paper before the election but it had been decided ...
Open access notablesIce acceleration and rotation in the Greenland Ice Sheet interior in recent decades, Løkkegaard et al., Communications Earth & Environment:In the past two decades, mass loss from the Greenland ice sheet has accelerated, partly due to the speedup of glaciers. However, uncertainty in speed derived from satellite products ...
Buzz from the Beehive A statement from Children’s Minister Karen Chhour – yet to be posted on the Government’s official website – arrived in Point of Order’s email in-tray last night. It welcomes the High Court ruling on whether the Waitangi Tribunal can demand she appear before it. It does ...
Mr Bombastic:Ironically, the media the academic experts wanted is, in many ways, the media they got. In place of the tyrannical editors of yesteryear, advancing without fear or favour the interests of the ruling class; the New Zealand news media of today boasts a troop of enlightened journalists dedicated to ...
It's hard times try to make a livingYou wake up every morning in the unforgivingOut there somewhere in the cityThere's people living lives without mercy or pityI feel good, yeah I'm feeling fineI feel better then I have for the longest timeI think these pills have been good for meI ...
In 1974, the US Supreme Court issued its decision in United States v. Nixon, finding that the President was not a King, but was subject to the law and was required to turn over the evidence of his wrongdoing to the courts. It was a landmark decision for the rule ...
Every day now just seems to bring in more fresh meat for the grinder.In their relentlessly ideological drive to cut back on the “excessive bloat” (as they see it) of the previous Labour-led government, on the mountains of evidence accumulated in such a short period of time do not ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Megan Valére SosouMarket gardening site of the Itchèléré de Itagui agricultural cooperative in Dassa-Zoumè (Image credit: Megan Valère Sossou) For the residents of Dassa-Zoumè, a city in the West African country of Benin, choosing between drinking water and having enough ...
Buzz from the Beehive Melissa Lee – as may be discerned from the screenshot above – has not been demoted for doing something seriously wrong as Minister of ...
Morning in London Mother hugs beloved daughter outside the converted shoe factory in which she is living.Afternoon in London Travelling writer takes himself and his wrist down to A&E, just to be sure. Read more ...
Mike Grimshaw writes – The recent announcement of the University Advisory Group, chaired by Sir Peter Gluckman, makes very clear where the Government’s focus and priorities lie. The remit of the Advisory Group is that Group members will consider challenges and opportunities for improvement in the university sector including: ...
Eric Crampton writes – The Reserve Bank of New Zealand desperately wants to find reasons to have workstreams in climate change. It makes little sense. They’ve run another stress test on the banks looking to see if they could find a prudential regulation case. They couldn’t. They ...
Rob MacCullough writes – Pundits from the left and the right are arguing that National’s Fast Track Bill that is designed to speed up infrastructure decisions could end up becoming mired in a cesspool of corruption. Political commentator ...
Looking at the headlines this morning it’s hard to feel anything other than pessimistic about the future of humanity.Note that I’m not speaking about the future of mankind, but the survival of our humanity. The values that we believe in seem to be ebbing away, by the day.Perhaps every generation ...
Swabbing mixed breed baby chicks to test for avian influenzaUh oh. Bird flu – often deadly to humans – is not only being transmitted from infected birds to dairy cows, but is now travelling between dairy cows. As of last Friday, Bloomberg News reports, there were 32 American dairy herds ...
On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
What is it with the mining industry? Its not enough for them to pillage the earth - they apparently can't even be bothered getting resource consent to do so: The proponent behind a major mine near the Clutha River had already been undertaking activity in the area without a ...
Photo # 1 I am a huge fan of Singapore’s approach to housing, as described here two years ago by copying and pasting from The ConversationWhat Singapore has that Australia does not is a public housing developer, the Housing Development Board, which puts new dwellings on public and reclaimed land, ...
This afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
Te Pāti Māori is disgusted at the confirmation that hundreds are set to lose their jobs at Oranga Tamariki, and the disestablishment of the Treaty Response Unit. “This act of absolute carelessness and out of touch decision making is committing tamariki to state abuse.” Said Te Pāti Māori Oranga Tamariki ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and Mema Paremata mō Tāmaki-Makaurau, Takutai Tarsh Kemp, will travel to the Gold Coast to strengthen ties with Māori in Australia next week (15-21 April). The visit, in the lead-up to the 9th Australian National Kapa haka Festival, will be an opportunity for both ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
The return of the historic Ō-Rākau battle site to the descendants of those who fought there moved one step closer today with the first reading of Te Pire mō Ō-Rākau, Te Pae o Maumahara / The Ō-Rākau Remembrance Bill. The Bill will entrust the 9.7-hectare battle site, five kilometres west ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has announced 25 new high-speed EV charging hubs along key routes between major urban centres and outlined the Government’s plan to supercharge New Zealand’s EV infrastructure. The hubs will each have several chargers and be capable of charging at least four – and up to 10 ...
The coalition Government will not proceed with the previous Government’s plans to regulate residential property managers, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “I have written to the Chairperson of the Social Services and Community Committee to inform him that the Government does not intend to support the Residential Property Managers Bill ...
The Government has announced an independent review into the disability support system funded by the Ministry of Disabled People – Whaikaha. Disability Issues Minister Louise Upston says the review will look at what can be done to strengthen the long-term sustainability of Disability Support Services to provide disabled people and ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has attended the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva and outlined the Government’s plan to restore law and order. “Speaking to the United Nations Human Rights Council provided us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while responding to issues and ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay heads overseas today for high-level trade talks in the Gulf region, and a key OECD meeting in Paris. Mr McClay will travel to Riyadh to meet with counterparts from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). “New Zealand’s goods and services exports to the Gulf region ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford has outlined six education priorities to deliver a world-leading education system that sets Kiwi kids up for future success. “I’m putting ambition, achievement and outcomes at the heart of our education system. I want every child to be inspired and engaged in their learning so they ...
The new NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) App is a secure ‘one stop shop’ to provide the services drivers need, Transport Minister Simeon Brown and Digitising Government Minister Judith Collins say. “The NZTA App will enable an easier way for Kiwis to pay for Vehicle Registration and Road User Charges (RUC). ...
Whānau with tamariki growing up in emergency housing motels will be prioritised for social housing starting this week, says Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka. “Giving these whānau a better opportunity to build healthy stable lives for themselves and future generations is an essential part of the Government’s goal of reducing ...
Racing Minister Winston Peters has paid tribute to an icon of the industry with the recent passing of Dave O’Sullivan (OBE). “Our sympathies are with the O’Sullivan family with the sad news of Dave O’Sullivan’s recent passing,” Mr Peters says. “His contribution to racing, initially as a jockey and then ...
Assalaamu alaikum, greetings to you all. Eid Mubarak, everyone! I want to extend my warmest wishes to you and everyone celebrating this joyous occasion. It is a pleasure to be here. I have enjoyed Eid celebrations at Parliament before, but this is my first time joining you as the Minister ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced Pharmac’s largest ever budget of $6.294 billion over four years, fixing a $1.774 billion fiscal cliff. “Access to medicines is a crucial part of many Kiwis’ lives. We’ve committed to a budget allocation of $1.774 billion over four years so Kiwis are ...
Hon Paula Bennett has been appointed as member and chair of the Pharmac board, Associate Health Minister David Seymour announced today. "Pharmac is a critical part of New Zealand's health system and plays a significant role in ensuring that Kiwis have the best possible access to medicines,” says Mr Seymour. ...
Hundreds of New Zealand families affected by Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) will benefit from a new Government focus on prevention and treatment, says Health Minister Dr Shane Reti. “We know FASD is a leading cause of preventable intellectual and neurodevelopmental disability in New Zealand,” Dr Reti says. “Every day, ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones today attended the official opening of Kaikohe’s new $14.7 million sports complex. “The completion of the Kaikohe Multi Sports Complex is a fantastic achievement for the Far North,” Mr Jones says. “This facility not only fulfils a long-held dream for local athletes, but also creates ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters’ engagements in Türkiye this week underlined the importance of diplomacy to meet growing global challenges. “Returning to the Gallipoli Peninsula to represent New Zealand at Anzac commemorations was a sombre reminder of the critical importance of diplomacy for de-escalating conflicts and easing tensions,” Mr Peters ...
Ambassador Millar, Burgemeester, Vandepitte, Excellencies, military representatives, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen – good morning and welcome to this sacred Anzac Day dawn service. It is an honour to be here on behalf of the Government and people of New Zealand at Buttes New British Cemetery, Polygon Wood – a deeply ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Asia Pacific Report A Pacific civil society alliance has condemned French neocolonial policies in Kanaky New Caledonia, saying Paris is set on “maintaining the status quo” and denying the indigenous Kanak people their inalienable right to self-determination. The Pacific Regional Non-Governmental Organisations (PRNGOs) Alliance, representing some 15 groups, said in ...
Koi Tū New Zealand cannot sit back and see the collapse of its Fourth Estate, the director of Koi Tū: The Centre for Informed Futures, Sir Peter Gluckman, says in the foreword of a paper published today. The paper, “If not journalists, then who?” paints a picture of an industry ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Foreign investment proposals with implications for Australia’s strategic or economic security will face tougher scrutiny, under a policy overhaul to be announced by Treasurer Jim Chalmers on Wednesday. At the same time, the government ...
A Waitangi Tribunal inquiry report has warned government that a repeal of Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act could cause harm to children in care. ...
The Treasury has published today three new papers covering government consumption multipliers, automatic stabilisers and the impacts of global shocks on New Zealand’s economy. ...
Asia Pacific Report The Pacific state of Hawai’i’s House of Representatives has joined the state’s Senate in calling for a ceasefire in Israel’s war on Gaza, becoming the first state to pass such a resolution, reports Hawaii News Now. In March, the Senate passed a ceasefire resolution with a 24–1 ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Christopher Ferrie, A/Prof, UTS Chancellor’s Postdoctoral Research and ARC DECRA Fellow, University of Technology Sydney PsiQuantum The Australian government has announced a pledge of approximately A$940 million (US$617 million) to PsiQuantum, a quantum computing start-up company based in Silicon Valley. Half ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Hunter Bennett, Lecturer in Exercise Science, University of South Australia Cameron Prins/Shutterstock If you spend a lot of time exploring fitness content online, you might have come across the concept of heart rate zones. Heart rate zone training has become more ...
SPECIAL REPORT:By Eugene Doyle He is the most popular Palestinian leader alive today — and yet few people in the West even know his name. Absolutely no one in Gaza or the West Bank does not know him. That difference speaks volumes about who dominates the media narrative that ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Will McCallum, PhD Candidate – School of Communication and Creative Arts, Deakin University Earlier this year, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton accused Prime Minister Anthony Albanese of not supporting Operation Sovereign Borders – the military-led border security operation that has “closed Australia’s borders ...
By Melyne Baroi in Port Moresby A Papua New Guinea MP, Peter Isoaimo, who had been ousted by the National Court in an alleged bribery case, has been reinstated by the Supreme Court on appeal. A three-member Supreme Court bench found that the National Court had erred in finding that ...
Publisher Chris Holdaway reflects on the unique project of collecting the work of the late, terrific poet Schaeffer Lemalu. One of the nice things you can do as a truly independent publisher is to make the books that writers want to make, whatever they happen to be. That’s how I’ve ...
Those profiled in the stamp series served on overseas deployments from 1995 onwards, and all have been awarded theNew Zealand Operational Service Medal. ...
Last night’s dismal poll result for the coalition government shows the limits of trying to govern as an opposition, argues Joel MacManus. There’s a quote from the American political activist Barbara Deming: “Vengeance is not the point; change is. But the trouble is that in most people’s minds, the thought ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Shireen Morris, Associate Professor and Director of the Radical Centre Reform Lab at Macquarie University Law School, Macquarie University Leonid Andronov/Shutterstock Foreign interference in Australian democracy poses a growing risk to our national sovereignty. It refers to coercive, corrupt or ...
A defendant charged by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) has pleaded guilty to four charges of obtaining by deception in relation to a mortgage fraud scheme. Sentencing has been scheduled for 14 August 2024. ...
What to say when pesky journalists ask gotcha questions like ‘can you name a single book you’ve ever read?’ and ‘did you read it, or did you just see the movie?’This week, Act Party arts spokesperson Todd Stephenson foolishly agreed to an interview with Newsroom’s Steve Braunias regarding his ...
Explainer - What will a ban on cellphones in schools achieve? Can students use them during lunch breaks? And what happens if you need to contact your child? ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jodi Rowley, Curator, Amphibian & Reptile Conservation Biology, Australian Museum, UNSW Sydney Jodi Rowley, CC BY-NC-ND In winter 2021, Australia’s frogs started dropping dead. People began posting images of dead frogs on social media. Unable to travel to investigate the deaths ...
In the year ended March 2024, 0.4 percent of home transfers were to people who didn’t hold New Zealand citizenship or a resident visa, according to figures released by Stats NZ today. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Wasay Majid, Research Assistant , University of Auckland, Waipapa Taumata Rau New Zealand’s accommodation supplement scheme is facing scrutiny, with Social Development Minister Louise Upston recently saying “there is merit in considering whether the current settings are fair and sustainable long-term”. The ...
By Koroi Hawkins, RNZ Pacific editor The first prime ministerial candidate has been announced in Solomon Islands and it is not Manasseh Sogavare. The man of the hour is Jeremiah Manele, the MP for Hograno/Kia/Havulei constituency in Isabel Province, who served as minister of foreign affairs in the last government. ...
Protesting the removal of bins by leaving piles of your dog’s shit for others to deal with doesn’t make you a hero – it’s precious and entitled behaviour. You haven’t truly lived until you’ve stood on the shoreline of Auckland’s Cheltenham beach, desperately trying to scoop increasingly liquid dog shit ...
Analysis - Christopher Luxon will be alert to the factors driving the dire polling, but won't be waving the white flag just yet, RNZ political editor Jo Moir writes. ...
Writer, teacher and academic Vincent O’Sullivan died on Sunday 28 April. Here we gather tributes from friends, colleagues, and students who remember his extraordinary contributions. I went down to the garage tonight. There was a bird shrieking out in the bush, in the dark, maybe a kākā. Miraculously, through the ...
As part of our series exploring how New Zealanders live and our relationship with money, a burnt-out corporate escapee explains how she gets by ‘working as little as possible’. Want to be part of The Cost of Being? Fill out the questionnaire here.Gender: Female Age: 31 Ethnicity: Pākehā Role: Contractor in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Timothy Schmidt, Professor of Chemistry, UNSW Sydney Albert Russ / Shutterstock The icebreaker of many a barbeque conversation is something like “what do you do for a crust?” “I teach chemistry at university,” is what we usually reply. Then silence. Our ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Asher Flynn, Associate Professor of Criminology, Monash University Shutterstock Sexual harassment is often considered to be a person-to-person act, but new research shows Australians are also experiencing and perpetrating workplace harassment in large numbers through technology. Our latest study shows one ...
A petition signed by more than 16,500 people, demanding the government take stronger action to halt the genocide of Palestinians by the State of Israel, is being presented to the House of Representatives today by Hon Phil Twyford. ...
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Govt set to reveal climate policy – its last chance to be bold: https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/112538093/details-of-how-the-govt-will-fight-climate-change-to-finally-be-revealed?cid=app-iPhone
As useful as a rubber chicken
With a 2050 Zero Carbon target but no definite actions to rein in green house gas emissions in the here and now, the Zero Carbon Act can only be described as as-per-rashun-nul
I had a much longer summation of the proposed legislation but for some reason the site won’t let me post it
Instead I get this error message
But as you can see it works for short messages with little content.
Russ the muss
Seems like more rubbish to me. Talk about ineffectual leadership – our nuclear free moment? Our chance to make the changes needed? yeah nah the farmers are too strong, the bankers are too strong, we must increase everything… looks like we are going to have to do it ourselves because we will make the changes one way or the other.
Yep, our current political system has had its chance. People will need to seize power from them. Won't be pretty but then neither will doing nothing.
Ouch Sasha you are advocating riots or worse?
Better – do not use political parties to organise.
At least James had the good grace to look like he was struggling to keep the dead rat down.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/388726/climate-change-bill-independent-commission-announced
Pikers.
Pathetic, loose -wristed wimp pikers.
…yeah nah the farmers are too strong, the bankers are too strong,
And Winston has way, way too much power.
@marty mars (1.2)
Another day another Labour coalition disappointment.
They are on a roll of late. CGT. Welfare Reform. Not so binding referendum and now this.
Have I missed anything? Moreover, what’s next?
I'm sure you'll find something.
But only to help 🙄
@The Al1en
Of course. They still have time to do more if they start acting now.
And I'm sure you would agree, it's better we air our disappointment now rather than on election day.
Elections aren't about airing disappointment. They're about showing support. The difference is continually beyond you.
You want stronger action? "Air your disappointment" about NZ1. Winston is calling the dilution of the climate policy a victory.
The point you totally missed is, to get and maintain support one can't afford to continue to disappoint. Thus, it's better for them to know they are letting us down now rather than us remaining silent and not supporting them come election day.
They're letting us down? What would you have them do – tell NZ1 to get stuffed and put forward climate change bills that will be opposed by NZ1 and national, even if NZ1 doesn't wind up the government?
NZ1 is going after National's regional support. They're doing this, in part, by watering down climate change action. The only way to get a better deal is to have national in the mid thirties with labgrn on mid-fifties together, and NZ1 not big enough to be kingmaker.
You think the response to that should be for lefties and greenies to not vote labgrn in 2020? Maybe the answer is to increase their support, rather than look for disappointment.
You're wasting your time, McFlock. All this was put out the other day.
When you repeatedly tell someone the same thing over and over, and they just ignore it, it makes one question motive and intent. It's my opinion the chairman is completely disingenuous, and has an agenda working against the best interests of labour and the greens. It's got so bad, the number of anti posts outnumber those of the right wingers on here by far.
For a supposed lefty and green voter, that’s quite something.
Interesting logic you are laying out there. So your argument is Labour helping NZF gain National's regional support is going to help in Winston not being big enough to become Kingmaker.
Some would say Labour are extremely poor negotiators going off how much Winston seems to win. So perhaps they should start making improvements there.
No. You missed the point again.
The response is for the left to air their grievances, thus not only making them (the Government) aware of the growing disappointment but also putting supporter pressure on them to up their game so as they can maintain and increase their support come next election.
At the rate of disappointment being created, some would think the Government are doing their best to turn off supporters.
Hell, it's getting that bad we now have left wing supporters talking of voting ACT.
If a lefty is serious about voting act, then I'm pretty sure they're not a real lefty to begin with.
As the Al1en said, we've been through this before. Labour and the Greens are in coalition with a conservative party. They don't have either the mandate from voters or the numbers in Parliament to implement the policies you're demanding. Your "disappointment" that they haven't used their minority of votes in Parliament to ram through a radical legislative programme simply defies logic. If you'd like Labour and Green to implement your preferred policies, help them get a majority in the House.
Stunningly simple, isn't it?
Are you really saying that the Government is creating disappointment in you? Wow. Have you ever considered that you are the one who creates your own disappointment because you set your own expectations? Unrealistic expectations that are beyond your control so that you choose to feel disappointed? Don’t you ever get tired of playing the role of disappointed victim? Maybe you should choose a cause that is within your control, something that you can positively influence. Because your negativity is getting tedious.
Diluting it a little is the least of the concern when the whole thing has no teeth.
Don't be to complacent in that sentiment. There is more than one and reasons why have be laid out.
Moreover, things are getting bad out there. We have no right turn (who is definitely left wing) calling for voters to punish this Government. One can only assume at the polls.
NRT sounds like a bit of a wanker if they're advocating labour/green voters do a 180 and punish the parties by all of us getting a nat/act government after the shit 9 years we had last time.
I guess if you have an upper middle sized income to match your moral outrage it might make things a bit easier to live through.
@McFlock
Disappointment is about all they seem to be delivering on of late.
It's all you're capable of detecting.
From the growing amount of disappointment they are creating, I'm far from the only one detecting it. And by the way, while I may not comment on it, I detect far more than that.
You are Eeyore and have our sympathies.
Thanks, Robert.
well they won’t commit to the 100k houses for kiwibuild today – so you can add that to your list.
Eeyore's little helper!
Yeah Robert wonder where he was maybe shooting ducks again?
@James
Labour – the party the left can count on to let them down.
Labour is a promising party. It has delivered a lot of promises, and the Year of Delivery was no exception.
Another day, another string of crap posts from a crap troll.
true that solkta, they are like a broken record eh?
If only I was a troll, you'd have nothing to worry about. Unfortunately, the disappointment is widespread.
You are a troll, and there is little to worry about as most here know so.
Yet, here you are perpetuating the libel. Doing your best to diminish any criticism. Of course you are not worried.
Yeah you are a troll of the worst sort – using misery to get your jollies mate – be disgusted with yourself please.
I'm disgusted in you for not standing up more. Don't blame me for calling the Government out for its disappointments. I don't create them.
The Chairman accepts no responsibility for what he says here, because…
yeah 'don't blame me for being a wanker' says the hairman
Of course you create them, by piling bullshit on top of bullshit.
Yes, you do, that is exactly what you’re doing! You choose how you feel and react and then spread your concern and disappointment as far and wide as you can and blame these feelings on the Government (Labour and the Greens, to be more precisely). And when we point this out to you, you say “it is not about me” or “there are many others”. I think the Government can and must do better but I resist jumping onto your bandwagon of boo-hoo-hoo. Own your own feelings, like an adult.
What utter nonsense.
I have nothing to do with the Government's policy creation and what they decide to fall short on.
Of course, I'm expressing my opinion and highlighting these shortcomings – in the hope that the more the public roar the more chance the Government will take heed.
And of course, I'm far from the only one the Government has disappointed, as I've highlighted many times. And it's not us that are disappointed that are at fault for speaking out. It's the Government for falling short.
You and others holding back only signals to the Government that you are ok with their failings. And one can't expect more out of a Government if you don't let them know you want more. So stop resisting and get on board.
<Sigh> Problems with reading comprehension; you set yourself up for disappointment or exhilaration. I assume you have never done relationship counselling or similar.
False binary and a perfect illustration of your black & white thinking. Life is simple and complex problems can be broken down in small easy parts. I resist your binary and reductionist thinking because that is not reality. So, stop resisting, open your eyes, and see the World how it is and what it may become.
@marty mars (1.2)
If Russel stayed with the Greens perhaps he could have secured something with a little more teeth.
Wonder how bad the blowback will be for the Greens?
Please do elaborate on how Russel Norman could have secured a majority of votes in the House for something the majority of MPs would be opposed to?
Elaborate? Elaborate?
The Chairman doesn't elaborate, The Chairman seeks always to de-Labour-ate; that is, erode confidence in Labour. That's The Chairman's
The Fear-man‘s mission.@Psycho Milt
He’s more of a fighter than our Shaw. Hence, perhaps may have had a better fighting chance to secure more.
Do you think the Greens will face much blowback from this disappointment? After all, it was their crown jewel.
So getting parties to vote against their own interests in Parliament is just a matter of fighting harder? That's no doubt a comforting notion, but it bears no relationship to reality.
Do you think the Greens will face much blowback from this disappointment?
They'll certainly face a lot of propaganda from people who wish them harm, sure. Those of us who don't wish them harm will credit the party with a significant win in getting NZF to swallow this sizable dead rat.
Seems to work for Winston. But of course, fighting harder is just a part of it.
So you think Greenpeace is spreading propaganda and wishes the Greens harm?
It was the Greens that had to swallow another (CGT, Welfare Reform, non binding referendum) dead rat. Open your eyes.
NZ1 went with the migration pact. Residency requirement for superannuation is still ten years. Didn't even have an MJ policy, and here they are agreeing to implement the decision of the reeferendum.
Labour has a similar list.
So either it's a banquet of Discworld dwarves where everyone is tucking in to the ratburgers for the fun of it, or maybe compromise means a little bit of respectful give and take between partners.
Of course Winston isn't winning them all but they don't say he's calling the shots for nothing.
Indeed not. They say it because they're right-wing propagandists trying to damage Labour and Green's re-election chances.
Who actually says that other than you, Alwyn, and BM?
Indeed. Nevertheless, propaganda tends to have an element of truth. And clearly Winston is doing ok out of the negotiations.
Of course it has an element of truth. Peters has indeed done OK out of coalition negotiations, because that's in the nature of coalition government. Propaganda takes that element of truth and deploys it in support of a propaganda lie, eg " they don't say he's calling the shots for nothing."
The lie is quickly revealed if you look at how it's been deployed the opposite way. Peters has also done badly out of coalition negotiations, because that's in the nature of coalition government – for instance, he's had to accept the ban on future oil and gas exploration, the UN compact on migration, social welfare reform and now zero-carbon goals. His party's acceptance of the first two in particular led to loud calls by propagandists of Peters being Ardern's lapdog. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same propagandists peddling both lies.
Yes, that's the element of truth and why they say he's calling the shots.
The ban on future oil and gas exploration isn't what is was cranked up to be, no doubt due to Winston. Welfare reform fell far short and it's yet to be shown he opposes it. And zero carbon has got no teeth. Moreover, was apparently diluted by Winston.
It seems the concept that coalition government involves compromise is one that you're either unable or unwilling to grasp.
I know how bad the blowfly is – norman is a dick but greenpeace are cool. All plans and ideals get fucked when reality hits and only the goopless get surprised – grow up and do something worthwhile while you're still alive chair.
… grow up and do something worthwhile while you're still alive, Chair…
Wise words.
Indeed. And the reality is the Greens (at this stage) have no backbone. And I would also question their competence going off their track record. Not really made of the right stuff to win negotiations.
The Chairman is a blanket so wet you could fill him with gators and name him "Florida".
Oh no! He might attract a Great Swamp Drainer who will transform him into a National Golf Club. I thought we had enough of nine years of John Key playing golf while New Zealand society was sinking deeper away into the mud after selling off the more valuable bits (no, not the swamp Kauri).
wtf would you know well poisoner – go troll off
What is this 'loose leaf marijuana' Mark Mitchell keeps talking about. It's like he's got a cue card somewhere to outline 'his' stance on cannabis. This is language nobody ever uses thus it came out of a right wing think-tank.
The Mitchell's need think tanks desperately, to give the illusion of thought.
Mark Mitchell – the loose leaf politician.
mark cabbage mitchell
lol that suits him actually
Parliament known as The Cabbage Patch!
Yeh, like if they are only going to legalise cabbage then what's the point.
This phrase did get thrown around by Nact when talking about medical use. It could be that he is using an old cue card.
Speaking of an old cue card… he also said he was too scared to try it for fear of the police… typical old school scare tactics, which do not work since the majority of kiwi's have tried cannabis.
No-one should ever forget how Mark Mitchell came to be a National MP in the first place. He hired Simon Lusk and, with Cameron Slater's help, they got rid of the front runner for the Rodney electorate and Mitchell moved in to take the candidacy. Dirty Politics at a local level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Mitchell_(politician)
“In 2014, Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics presented evidence which suggested that Mitchell had hired political strategist Simon Lusk during the National Party selection process for the Rodney electorate. Lusk appeared to have collaborated with blogger Cameron Slater to discredit Mitchell’s opponents, particularly Brent Robinson. Mitchell strongly denies ever paying Lusk or Slater.[9]”
Of course he lied. He’s a born liar.
yep mark the cabbage is the worst of a bad bunch. Like a coldslaw he keeps coming back only to show once again how unfit for any leadership position he is. Sad little cabbage.
Since he is after the leadership of the Nats at some point, here's another link that should be food for thought:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/21-02-2018/why-aspiring-national-leader-mark-mitchells-war-for-profit-past-matters/
Does cabbage make you fart, it does me.
And rotten cabbage makes a smelly mess.
I don't like this new comment formatting.
How does one blockquote or use italics when editing?
You go back to the old system – is it http it's called?
<i> <blockquote> with the forward slash over when you finish the format.
Thanks grey. Thought the old system had been abolished in toto.
There are many ways. But the way that I do it is to use the keyboard to select what I want to quote (using shift + movement keys) then push the Double Quote button in the button bar.
etc…
Too scared to smoke a joint but no problem being hired as a contract killer.
Well said Kevin
That's worth bookmarking.
Exactly what it says
Loose leave weed.
What you roll a joint with
Think pouch of tobacco but it is weed
Chris, you just sound as stupid as Mitchell. Nobody rolls up loose leaf unless they're kids or stoners who've run out of the stuff they actually smoke.
This shows that the Mitchells of the world have done no learning yet much posturing as opposition to the matter. Really shitty service for tax dollars having clueless opposition.
More stupid since he said " Loose leave weed".
If you are smoking joints of leaf then you have my sympathy. Good for giving up cigarettes but that's about it.
Perhaps this is why so many MPs said they didn't like it or it didn't do anything for them?
Loose leaf weed aka cabbage (cannabis leaf) is usually used for cooking. The flowers of the plant are what is typically smoked, such flowers are dense and sticky and need breaking up, they are never ever loose.
He's distinguishing from those marijuana teabags Nat voters are more used to.
Whatever you do, don't mention Gummi Bears.
Mark Mitchell's aspiration for NZ comes from watching too much 80's dystopian sci-fi movies. Oh sorry, that is most of today's right wing.
Once Again, Mainstream Media Get It Wrong on Venezuela
The Nation
May 2, 2019
"Foreign outlets, dutifully supporting Trump administration calls for regime change, reported that a widespread uprising was underway, even though Juan Guaidó’s coup attempt had little support."
https://www.thenation.com/article/venezuela-coup-media-guaido/
More than a few took the fake corporate news story as gospel.
Why hasn't Guaido been arrested if the situation is as black and white as you make out?
Que?
It is quite simple. If the Opposition attempt to unseat Maduro failed miserably because it lacks support in the country how come the main person behind the effort has not been arrested by the Venezuelan authorities?
I noted that one of TS's most ardent Maduro supporters took the supposed fake corporate news story at face value.
I said zip the veracity of the claims.
Because thats all that would be needed to justify Trump's America to invade Venezuela. The 'world*' couldn't exactly stand by and allow the so called 'leader' of Venezuela be imprisoned. (apparently)
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responses_to_the_2019_Venezuelan_presidential_crisis
https://santiagotimes.cl/2019/04/03/maduros-govt-strips-guadio-of-immunity-venezuela-remains-with-no-power/
Because Maduro is NOT, a totalitarian Dictator. In case you haven't noticed, the US Government, and Fox news are lying, again!
Only dictators do that Gossie.
Reiterating…
Partial fix on the search engine.
It now does the fast search on comments and posts correctly, but with limited selection (ie the Advanced buttons aren't remembering). The @author and other keyword searches need looking at.
And the engine underneath sometimes crashes (looks like a simple SEGV – possibly memory?) and restarts. That displays as a screen with no results. Just do it again.
Anyway, I'll have a crack at the rest of it as soon as I get some time. But work calls and so does my father's 80th. So don't expect it too fast.
Hey thanks lprent, some of your jiggery-pokery has now made me able to reply on my huawei bat fone.
Chur.
Northland DHB Chair does his bid to increase vaccination compliance in his rohe no favours when he seems determined to misrepresent basic facts.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/388706/schools-asked-to-consider-excluding-unvaccinated-children
He claims that … Those at risk include other unvaccinated children, those being treated for cancer and the elderly.
…while according to the Immunisation Advisory Centre, Adults born in New Zealand prior to 1969 are considered to be immune to measles as there was no measles containing vaccine until 1969 and the disease is so highly infectious. MMR vaccination is not generally indicated for adults born in New Zealand prior to 1969.
http://www.immune.org.nz/hot-topic/measles-overseas-and-new-zealand
Chamberlain also strongly implies that the low rates of vaccination in the North are due to the movie Vaxxed being shown …
The anti-vaccination movement has targetted the region in recently years, he said, and some parents were choosing not to get the children immunised.
"We had [an anti-vaccination] movie which was shown early last year and was targeting Northland in a big way – it started off in Northland and it was shown many, many times throughout Northland."
Yes, the movie Vaxxed was shown throughout the North in early 2017….https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11863219
…but as to the effect on immunisation rates…https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/immunisation/immunisation-coverage/national-and-dhb-immunisation-data
….he really ought to do a little research, as the data implies the rates have actually increased since the dreaded movie was shown.
So, on the back of this misinformation, and with a grand total of two cases of measles being diagnosed in the North they are strongly suggesting forcing parents of unvaccinated children to keep their children away from school.
Measles – Disease Information Statement (DIS)
Measles – Vaccine Risk Statement (VRS)
Is the dishonesty deliberate…
Is the dishonesty deliberate?
In the case of Physicians for Informed Consent, it clearly appears to be yes, the dishonesty from them is indeed deliberate. As always in the case of internet info, it pays to check the source. Here's a few of the hits:
https://vaxopedia.org/2018/01/15/measles-propaganda-from-the-physicians-for-informed-consent/
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/physicians-for-informed-consent-another-radical-anti-vaccine-group/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-strange-saga-of-peter-gotzsche-and-physicians-for-informed-consent/
The third link is from Dr David Gorski. As yet another internet source, Gorski is worth checking out. Here's what he has to say about himself, where he also helpfully includes links to his detractors.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/editorial-staff/david-h-gorski-md-phd-managing-editor/
Awesome links thanks
That Gorski one is a classic
Even some of the titles are side splitting…
Oh, and when it comes the Physicians for Informed Consent's specific dishonesty:
Febrile seizures: by themselves they're common-ish (about 1 in 20 kids will have at least one growing up) and they're scary, but long term effects are very rare. So a 1 in 640 chance after an MMR shot isn't an argument against getting the shot.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures.html
Death rate from measles is usually listed at about 1 in a thousand, not the one in 10,000 PIC stated. Some of my family members were permanently disabled from getting measles before the first vaccine was developed. In contrast, I'm not acquainted with or personally aware anyone old enough to have been vaccinated against measles with a measles or vaccine related disability, and the latter group is much larger than the former. PIC are waaay understating the risk from actual measles.
There are a number of published papers addressing adverse effects of vaccines, and while acknowledging harm has been caused by the vaccine, there is much discussion on how best to manage the fallout so as not to deter parents from vaccinating their children.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mauricio_Barreto/publication/254468384_Outbreak_of_Aseptic_Meningitis_associated_with_Mass_Vaccination_with_a_Urabe-containing_Measles-Mumps-R_ubella_Vaccine/links/548deb3c0cf2d1800d842001/Outbreak-of-Aseptic-Meningitis-associated-with-Mass-Vaccination-with-a-Urabe-containing-Measles-Mumps-R-ubella-Vaccine.pdf
Not that anyone will actually even read the Discussion…
The only reason the Urabe strain MMR vaccine is in any way an argument against vaccination is because there are other MMR vaccines with even lower risk of side effects than the already very low risk of Urabe strain MMR vaccines. But the Urabe strain was continued in use in some places after the others were developed, because Urabe was cheaper.
As far as I can tell, the last wealthy country to use Urabe MMR was the UK, and it was discontinued there 30ish years ago. We're a wealthy country, we don't use Urabe, it's not an an argument against vaccination programs here in NZ.
Rosemary, by your eagerness to throw out these out-of-context historical factoids that are irrelevant to modern NZ context, you are very much part of the problem.
Mumps outbreak in highly vaccinated populations
Merck are defending/stalling against two of their own researchers who claim the efficacy statistics of the mumps component of MMR were fraudulently derived…
The claims stem from 2011 and are qualified by the recent and present time mumps outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations…
The mumps vaccine is widely acknowledged to be lower effectiveness than measles and rubella vaccines.
That mumps outbreaks continue to happen in highly vaccinated population (mumps vaccine effectiveness is quoted as 78% to 88% effective), but the likelihood of measles outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations is effectively zero (measles vaccine effectiveness 93% to 97%) neatly shows that herd immunity is indeed a thing.
But even those for whom the mumps vaccine isn't effective, they're still likely to benefit from having had it. Because the disease is likely to be less severe for them. Which is why it's recommended to get a booster shot if you're at risk during an outbreak.
edit: That difference in effectiveness is why measles and rubella are considered eradicable diseases (like smallpox was eradicated) but mumps is not.
The mumps vaccine is widely acknowledged to be lower effectiveness than measles and rubella vaccines.
The initial version of MMR, deployed back in the mid eighties contained the Urabe strain of mumps which was quite effective.
Unfortunately there were quite significant adverse effects….such as aseptic meningitis similar to what could be a complication of actual mumps.
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/165/6/704/63700
Furthermore, there was an increased risk of hospital admission for febrile convulsion 15–35 days after receipt of a Urabe-containing MMR vaccine (an attributable risk of approximately 1 in 1,500 doses), indicating that the real risk of acute neurologic consequences from the Urabe mumps component of MMR was underestimated when using case ascertainment methods that were reliant on laboratory investigations (5).
So, the Urabe strain fell out of favour (although it is/was still used, as in the above study, in places like Brazil and El Salvador) and the more benign yet less effective Jeryl Lynne strain of mumps was used.
A similar scenario played out with pertussis if I remember rightly….initial strains gave good protection but had unacceptable levels of harm, so a less harmful but also less effective version was rolled out which still struggles to protect especially babies. I understand the latest protocol demands that the pregnant mum be vaccinated to afford protect to the newborn. http://www.immune.org.nz/diseases/pertussis
DISCUSSION( From the link at 5.2.1.2.1)
The risk of aseptic meningitis associated with MMR
vaccine has been well described, especially concerning
Urabe-containing products (1-4, 11, 12), and our
results are similar to previous risk estimations (as in the
work by Miller et al. (1)) of an incidence of nearly 1
case per 10,000 vaccinees. In spite of previous reports,
the Urabe-containing MMR vaccine was previously
judged by the Brazilian National Immunization
Program to be beneficial for use in a mass immuniza-
tion campaign, for reasons that included 1) the relative
rarity of adverse events, 2) the relative cost and possi-
bly higher immunogenicity in comparison with the
Jeryl Lynn-containing MMR vaccine (13-15), and
3) the clear net benefit of MMR immunization in a con-
text of high incidence of natural mumps infection and a
consequently high incidence of meningitis (16).
This study raises new practical questions regarding
public health. The issue is not simply whether or not a
specific vaccine is associated with an adverse event,
but the extent to which a specific vaccination strategy
influences the visibility of the adverse event despite its
confirmed relative rarity, and hence affects public con-
fidence.
BTW, you got a link for your assertion about Merck and their researchers? Or is it just a slur that you're trying to give credibility by including it with a separate topic you have actually linked to?
I know what you mean. I used to run across people with some truly crippling injuries from various diseases before vaccines for them, and then afterwards in the interregnum as the population gained enough immunisation density to stop the diseases. Polio, german measles, adult mumps, even bad scarring chickenpox plus a host of other diseases.
There are also a host of other diseases that the young and stupid simply have no idea about. For instance, one of grandfathers had a simple boil in the 1920s (something that is really rare these days compared to when I grew up). But his was before the days of antibiotics. The boil went all the way into the bone marrow of his left leg (it is called osteomyelitis) and he lost all of the marrow.
Which meant that his leg didn’t grow fully. Moreover, he lost about half of his natural immunity levels from the loss of white corpuscle. He was a sickly cripple in the depression and would have died if penicillin hadn’t arrived when he was in hospital. He lived until he was over 80 working steadily until retirement, but was on massive antibiotic doses for more than 40 years.
Ummm.. found this while looking up the name of, this now, rare disease as well about penicillin and osteomyelitis.
https://corpus.nz/miracle-drug-penicillins-first-use-new-zealand/
The problem with anti-vaxxers generally seems to be that they are simply choose to unaware of the history benefits of various medical procedures and the much smaller risks associated with using them.
Rather than pushing for “informed consent”, I mostly view every anti-vaxxer I have seem as just being the “ill-informed discontent”. Apparently too foolish to read the history of diseases over the last century.
Not to mention that they seem to specialise in lying by accident or design with some of the really idiotic statistics they keep quoting (with no apparent basis) about what they seem to view as being the halcyon days before vaccines dropped the disease exposure rates, antibiotics stopped people dying of bacterial diseases, and inadequate sewerage systems reduced the death rates in cities from incipient cholera to people being able to complain about the taste of the water.
I wonder how many pro-diseaser minds would change if they actually experienced or saw a lot of people around them suffering from these diseases.
There's reasons third world mothers walk for hours carrying their kids in the hot sun when a vaccination clinic visits their nearest town. They can see the difference between those who get vaccinated and those who don't. (Fuck I felt bad when we drove past a couple of mums carrying their kids walking down the road, then hours later in the town where we stopped they walk up to the clinic. Even though there wasn't anywhere we could have fitted them in the car)
I had osteomyelitis as a kid. It was hell. The pain I experienced was in the hip and was excruciating. I had to lie with a pillow between my legs for hours. I was off school for weeks, and had to give up all sport for years. Lots of penicillin and then it was gone. At the time I had constant sore throats, scarlet fever, mumps and every other thing going. I have no lasting effects fortunately, and had completely forgotten about it until your story above.
It is pretty damn bad. Prior to the 1940s you just suffered through it and hoped it didn’t cause too much real damage.
If you read this paper on the history then you can see what you missed.
Is your dishonesty deliberate?
One immunologist on the whole leadership panel? holistic medicine practitioners on the leadership council? The founder felt personally assaulted when California removed personal and religious choice options about vaccination?
That website is not run by a medically recognised council. they're quacks
You know infectious disease rates are higher in poor areas with strong church affiliations?
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/physicians-for-informed-consent-another-radical-anti-vaccine-group/
I advise not engaging with OT on the issue of vaccination as the person using that pseudonym has little of merit to offer apart from very selective misrepresentation of science.
It would be nice if the likes of One Two posting malicious bullshit could be just ignored. The problem is if the bullshit gets taken as an actual truth and acted on by someone, then real harm could be the result.
Indeed – therefore best just to post information that refutes their position (as you did) and then avoid engaging with their bluster which'll undoubtedly follow at some stage.
Although, if you're in the right mood for it, it can be quite entertaining being the subject of derogatory commentary that's nuttier than a pot of satay sauce.
onya mate – I'm pleased you are putting good info up cos it is a time consuming, repetitive business – kia kaha
Can't leave the entire burden to McFlock.
🙂
That Urabe thing was beyond me, I must say. Glad you're around.
In the meantime, the Chair of the Northland DHB thinks it makes good sense to spread bullshit in an attempt to justify excluding kids from school.
When they (DHBs calling for a national campaign against anti vaxxers) have already been told by IMAC that anti-vaxxers are not the major cause of low vaccine uptake.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/384112/hospital-bosses-want-anti-anti-vax-campaign
Sigh.
Anecdata from my niece who is a practicing doctor in Northland suggests there are pockets where immunisation rates are low enough, coupled with the extreme contagiousness of measles, that excluding unvaccinated kids from schools is at least justifiable.
It's a shitload easier to deal with the downside of some kids not going to school for a while than it is dealing with a measles outbreak. Any parents finding it too hard to deal with their kids being at home because they're unvaccinated has an easy and free solution: get their kids vaccinated.
Still not addressing the issue of the Chair of the Northland DHB using false and misleading statements to justify excluding kids from school.
Firstly, elderly born in NZ are regarded as immune.
Secondly, just because I had a little free time at work, I had a look at northland vax rates for 5 calendar years, using your link. Short story: vax rates in 5yo increased 2014-2018. Vax rates at 6months, 8months, 12 months, 18months, and 24 months were all static or increasing 2014-2017, decreasing in 2017-2018.
Looks like some fools are delaying vaccination until their kids get the B4school check.
6m 8m 12m 18m 24m 5y
12 month period ending December 2014 67%88%90%79%88%75%
31 December 2015 67.7%87.5%89.8%80.2%88.2%77.6%
31-Dec-2016 70.4%89.5%90.7%79.3%88.7%80.1%
31-Dec-2017 66.4%86.4%88.3%75.4%86.7%82.3%
31-Dec-2018 61.8%82.6%85.9%73.0%84.7%83.2%
Don't automatically diss the system. They have a problem and are attempting to confront it and get people to acknowledge it. Crazy to keep on doing what has always been done.
We used to have buses that went around areas making it easy toget medical help. When we were a country with aspirations for being a good place to bring children up in.
Don't automatically diss the system.
So, it is acceptable for the regional health authority to lie and misrepresent?
Answer…No. Never. It is lazy and indicates utter contempt for the population they are responsible for.
He needs to get off his chuff and go and find out why the children are not being vaccinated…and perhaps not calling it an outbreak when when at least one of the two cases of measles is from out of the area.
And perhaps asking why its ok to threaten excluding kids from school in the North after only two cases, when this was not touted as an option in regions with more confirmed cases of measles and similar immunisation rates.
I'll engage with any anti-vax idiot. While they won't listen and continue to seek out self selecting, pseudo-science bull shit on the internet, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be held to account for their stupidity.
Every time is see some fuckwit complaining that anti-vaxxers get a bad rep, despite their claims they only use 'Facts", I remind myself how many people died from preventable communicable diseases before vaccination.
+ 100%
I am old enough to remember the many of my schoolmates, who ended up in hospital, from the effects of diseases that vaccines have made uncommon. Some have ended up with serious lifelong disabilities, and a couple had deformed children from Rubella. My mother remembers classmates who died from polio, and whooping cough. I had shingles in my teens, from chicken pox, and nearly lost an eye.
Anyone who refuses to vaccinate their kids, exposing them to those risks, is, make no mistake, a child abuser.
If vaccines are as bloody dangerous, as the anti vaxxers claim, where are the hospitals full of 'vaccine injured" children'? I've only met one person, in my life, who genuinely and provably seriously reacts to vaccines. And she fully recovered after an allergic reaction. Do anti vaxxers seriously believe that millions of Doctors, nurses and hospital staff are hiding millions of vaccine reactions. The hospitals would be full and overflowing.
The really silly thing about it is, if we vaccinated enough people to eradicate diseases such as chicken pox and measles, then we would no longer have to vaccinate against them. Removing the, small risk, of vaccinating against them, for future generations.
The do believe that millions of doctors and nurses are wrong They probably believe the wards of vaccine injured children are hidden behind the ice walls patrolled by the world army. all part of the same conspiracy doncha know?
The cannabis debate; questions;
Will the smoke that is emitted from smoking cannabis weed be more climate change alkenes and the alkynes emission those alkanes?
Has any robust studies science based been done about this climate change effects of the extra set of those extra mixed alkanes emitted to our atmosphere?.
Too old to find the relevant reply button?
Burning toast is probably a climate change factor if your reasoning is anything to go by.
Do you think before you type?
Is the dishonesty deliberate…
That, One Two is the $64,000000 question.
Dr Chamberlain seems to be assuming no one is going to actually take the time to check his claims against the nationally collected and collated data. Pity, because you win no one over when you treat them like fools. Those seriously committed to vaccine transparency (as are the Physicians for Informed Consent you linked to) will jump all over his claims.
The ordinary person? Some of the not so bright will simply forget that anyone over the age of 55 has most likely got natural immunity to this,and many other, common diseases and will probably not know about the well documented decline in some of these diseases before the advent of vaccinations. This is history, but like so much these days it can be revised to fit a particular narrative.
I guess with our NDHB Chair we have a simple case of him being desperate to blame something for the perceived low uptake of vaccination in the North, but as Nikki Turner from IMAC said a few months ago…the anti vaxxers are only a small part of the 'problem' of low compliance. There's other stuff going on that leads to low uptake….blaming a movie is sheer idleness, and when this is combined with outright bullshittery it would not surprise me if more parents decline some vaccinations because the local health boss lied to guilt trip them into compliance.
No one likes to be treated like an idiot.
As you can see from the responses to my comments, the linked references to FDA CDC WHO etc are not being replied to…
I've no need to respond to any of those handles who I've previously supplied with more than enough reference data from so called official sources…
It appears some do in fact like being treated as an idiot…
so your claims of official sources are only "So called" as such
Autism runs through the family dingbat. blame yourself for your own childrens inadequacies. not vaccines
There is no evidence Autism is specifically genetically linked. You are also talking through a hole.
Yes WTB he is a hole for rubbish himself.
There is 1:1 correlation between suffering autism and having parents. All official sources acknowledge this, therefore it is true.
Just like there is a 1:1 correlation between cleangreen posting something about trains and that post not being relevant to the thread it’s posted on.
If Jesus was autistic, Tuppence's claims would be negated. If Jesus wasn't autistic, Tuppence's claims would be negated.
a neat summation of the stupidity of the pro-plague supporters intellectual thought patterns
A neat summation of your maths/logic and why your comments are bigoted.
There is 1:1 correlation between suffering autism and having parents.
Following your 'maths'…every child who has received vaccine(s) has a mother …and is therefore genetically pre-disposed to autism…which could be triggered by vaccination(s)…
One size doe not fit all.
I have yet to see a sound reason coming from the prudes as to why we should continue to criminalise people for having a couple of cones on a Saturday night or having a a couple of tinnies in their pocket. This is the real issue at hand. It really all stems from the whole Calvinistic attitude that if you make the slightest mistake, you have to spend the rest of your life paying for it, in this case, apparently Bennett, Bridges, Garner and McCroskie think that having a few tinnies makes you an evil sinner, and is grounds for having a conviction against your record, leaving you locked out of housing and job oppurtunties for the rest of your life.
Discliamer: I have never touched cannabis, and I probably never will.
Do you get someone to roll up for you?
(Just joshing')
When you put it that way, I too can claim probably claim to have never touched cannabis. On all the occasions I've partaken, someone else supplied it and the joints were just getting passed around.
Like a gangter boss, "I din't never kilt nobody!"
Instead of the 'have you ever used cannabis?' carry on from journalists, I would rather they asked 'have you met with any alcohol/supermarket lobbyists?'
It would be far more illuminating.
They'd say, "Yes, but we barely spoke."
Very witty Robert. What do those in the know think about marijuana – does it make you witty, think you are witty when not, slow the brain down or make you feel good then depressed?
Very personal and very dependant on how much you have
can make you laugh at anything,
can make you super paranoid,
can give you fast reaction speeds,
can heighten the senses,
can stimulate creativity,
can fill your head full of utter shite,
can put you to sleep,
can make you completely misinterpret what's going on around you,(sort of fall into your own world).
combine with booze can make you aggressive and angry
Only ever driven once after having a few tokes. It scared the crap out of me. I lost the ability to see and interpret anything outside of the twenty metres or so in front of me that was brightly lit by my headlights.
Then when I was at a party where I needed to drive home, and some joints were getting passed around, I was going to pass. But then my girlfriend at the time said she'd be fine to drive, so I went ahead and had some puffs. When she drove us home, it was obvious her night vision was impaired in exactly the same way.
Driving stoned is not a great experience.
I only ever did it once during the day and that was bad enough, couldn't judge distances properly which caused quite a bit of stress.
Particularly bad at the lights, if you had to turn right and there was no turning arrow, while there was quite a bit on oncoming traffic;
Also crawling down the road doing about 40kph but feels like you're doing over 100 while paranoid as shit that the cops may pull you over.
Terrible.
Also crawling down the road doing about 40kph but feels like you're doing over 100 while paranoid as shit that the cops may pull you over.
Ha ha that brings back memories. God yes, the cops could probably just police driving stoned by looking out for drivers creeping along at low speed while looking terrified at how fast they're going – might mistakenly arrest a few old people, though.
less fights than alcohol, quieter too. Not completely aggro free, and paranoia can come into play, but doesn't affect coordination as much. Does slow people down, though.
Too busy enjoying the restaurant meal.
I smoked up a storm when I was a young man.
Haven't smoked for a very long time, personally, I'm not keen about the commercialisation of weed and making it socially mainstream.
I have no issue with people who want to smoke it, grow a few plants or buy a bit off their mates and do that legally, but I don't want to go down the same path as Colorado and have a full-blown recreational drug industry.
I wouldn't like to see this sort of shit happening in NZ, we've got enough societal issues as it is.
http://saynopetodope.org.nz/colorado/
on the ground floor eh – I'm sick of people telling others what not to do especially when they did it themselves. growers will never let it go coloradolegal – get real – try sorting out climate change instead of bullshittingly trying to be a moral pygmy on this.
What the fuck has climate change got to do with the legalisation of cannabis?
Less cones for you fool.
You mention societal issues, these would include the high (boom boom) arrest and conviction rates for our caramel cousins.
I have long argued the most damaging aspect of cannabis is it's status in law.
Why not have it fully legal and commercialised?
By my own admission I can barely keep a basil plant alive, let alone grow potent pot.
I'd rather buy edibles than smoke it. I find smoking weed makes me paranoid but hash doesn't. But eating it? I love eating it. so relaxing.
I do all this in amsterdam and denver, I've seen first hand how good legalisation is.
It's about six months of buying and holding dominoes shares then everyone chills out and life goes back to normal.
Anyone know what happened to Draco? He’s been missing quite sometime now and I miss his painful gibberish.
Moved onto Twitter, seems to be where the majority of political discussion is these days.
And Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/
Why aren't you there BM with all the other vital political movers and thinkers?
I'm with Martty on this one BM – as you don't see anything you don't want to – do you,
bye bye.
Jesus, you're a dopey old git.
When we think of government and elect people to represent us, we think of governmenht running things, directing things with a strong overview of their expectations to fulfil policies we want. What we get is the job of government siphoned off to agencies with the power of royalty. I think we have been, and are being hornswoggled. That is a made-up word for a cunning plan to sell us a made-up story about having a government that's 'ours', nationally and locally.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/388718/south-auckland-land-sale-the-poor-subsidising-the-wealthy
Panuku Developments Ltd – Auckland know all about how to combat fairness and imbalance.
n a statement, Panuku Development said it aimed to make the best use of any revenue from land sales. "When we sell a site, the revenue generated is channelled into a pot from which we prioritise expenditure based on the best use of those funds," the statement said.
"This is as opposed to a specific area being promised it will retain all of the funds raised from the sale of assets in its location, which is a system that creates unfairness and imbalance."
But Otara community leaders don't agree:
Efeso Collins, the chair of Ōtara Health, said while the community was happy to share some of the revenue, 40 percent going to wealthier suburbs was hard to take. "The disappointment is that so much of it is the poor subsidising the wealthy," he said.
Mr Collins said the money could be spent on local health services instead.
"The thinking needs to be what's going to serve Ōtara first and then what can we share with what's left over as opposed to work out a plan that doesn't really have our voice in it and then go off and split the money that way."
This is the mission statement that tops the Paunuku Developments site. Shaping spaces for Aucklanders to love
Examples: April 2019 : Consent granted for Queens Wharf upgrade; New plan for Northcote's Town Centre; Urban Walking Festival.
Sounds like nice things for the haves with time and money and opportunity to enjoy the provisions of spaces aimed at the middle-class.
About:
Panuku Development Auckland helps to regenerate parts of our city – from small projects that refresh a site or building, to major transformations of town centres or neighbourhoods….
Panuku Development Auckland is the Council-controlled organisation that delivers urban regeneration in Tāmaki Makaurau (Auckland). We’re here to radically improve your quality of living.
Our city is facing rapid growth. Quality development is required to accommodate this growth, and to ensure people love and can afford to live in Auckland.
We imagine a city of strong neighbourhoods.
We work across many neighbourhoods throughout our city – from large, long-term urban regeneration plans to small projects on specific sites – to meet the needs of the city’s long-term growth, including more types of homes people can afford.
We work alongside the locals, other parts of council and businesses to regenerate our city in ways that benefit both our local communities and Auckland as a whole.
We make a profit for council, but at the same time we ensure our buildings contribute positively to their neighbourhoods.
We also manage around $3 billion of land and buildings that Auckland Council owns, which we regularly review to find smart ways to make money for our city.
Lately:
https://www.interest.co.nz/property/99483/council-development-agency-panuku-shows-its-hand-aucklands-property-market%C2%A0
and
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018693763/what-is-panuku
and
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/05/auckland-council-takes-itself-to-court-over-luxury-apartment-block.html
and
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1905/S00108/takapuna-deadline-tomorrow-for-visionary-developers.htm
Someone living in an area Whangaparoa? which Panuku has plans to sell wrote to the old Council about access
and received this modspeak : “Patricia seems to be getting no further with Auckland Transport (AT), since the Councils amalgamated. AT clearly told her in recent correspondence that although it “supports walking to make Auckland one of the world’s most liveable cities”, her problems score low against their set criteria for pavement construction and improving safety.” Words, words.
https://localmatters.co.nz/news/32469-twentyyear-battle-safe-access.html
and
The only man on the planet who could bankrupt a business where the house always wins. And then he started a cult.
But in the granular detail of tax results, it gives a precise accounting of the president’s financial failures and of the constantly shifting focus that would characterize his decades in business. In contrast to his father’s stable and profitable empire of rental apartments in Brooklyn and Queens, Mr. Trump’s primary sources of income changed year after year, from big stock earnings, to a single year of more than $67.1 million in salary, to a mysterious $52.9 million windfall in interest income. But always, those gains were overwhelmed by losses on his casinos and other projects.
The new information also suggests that Mr. Trump’s 1990 collapse might have struck several years earlier if not for his brief side career posing as a corporate raider. From 1986 through 1988, while his core businesses languished under increasingly unsupportable debt, Mr. Trump made millions of dollars in the stock market by suggesting that he was about to take over companies. But the figures show that he lost most, if not all, of those gains after investors stopped taking his takeover talk seriously.
http://archive.li/qf6bY
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html
I'm a little surprised the powers that be want to highlight these losses and shenanigans. For starters he's simply operating in an economic and legal structure/system specifically designed and lacking in proper regulation to allow this sort of thing.
And secondly, I was going to type out a list of companies, corporations and rich individuals that operate at a loss, or small profit, but the list is so long I don't even know where to start.
Though I guess you could say its a shame Trump wasn't more invested in Banking, subprime mortgages and hedge funds…he could have been bailed out by Bush/Obama
The notion that tRump's hugely successful businesses would make him a successful president swayed a goodly portion of the electorate.The fact that he's always been a loser in business will hurt him. Hence the secrecy about his taxes.
And losses accounting for fully 1 percent of all the losses that the I.R.S. reported had been declared by individual taxpayers in a particular year do rather set him apart.
The peeps also have a mistaken idea about busines, as being next to God somehow. Unfortunately much of USA religion is connected to a business, so they are in double trouble when trying to discriminate what is good, what is gold, what is dross and fool's gold.
Yeah, but the IRS don't know very much about anything, they have very select insights into a very small group of individuals..simply because they do not make a habit of investigating the very rich.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/rich-people-are-getting-away-not-paying-their-taxes/577798/
And I can not find very good information on why people voted for Trump..just supposition by people who were probably absolutely clueless as to why so many people didn't buy the Democrats vision. However I have been repeatedly been assured it was because of the Russians.
Personally I agree with you..it was because of his perceived 'success'. which was all smoke and mirrors..but that pretty much sums up most wealth..and in America it would seem appearances are what matter. Certainly, until he ran for President, his 'success' was enough to earn him Bill and Hillarys friendship.
However my point still stands..all this simply highlights the corrupt system..as much as The Donalds uselessness. Assuming you can call becoming President a failure.
“I don’t think it’s a failure,” he said of the bankruptcy in 2004. “It’s a success.”
Thats the system. And he didn't create it, Do they really want people thinking too long about that?
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/donald-trump-atlantic-city-bankruptcy/
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1905/S00069/landmark-climate-change-bill-goes-to-parliament.htm
“To address the long-term challenge of climate change, today we introduce the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill to Parliament,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said.
“We’ve built a practical consensus across Government that creates a plan for the next 30 years, which provides the certainty industries need to get in front of this challenge.
Are we now on a list of missile sites? The space experiments that have gone on from our country are USA militarily connected. Would we be a handy target now if a warning shot was to be sent as a prelude to actually firing directly at he USA. Nobody in our eager beaver money players seems to have our strategy in mind when they sign up to doing some sort of overseas collaboration. Is there money in it? Okay let's do it.
Rocket Lab is touted as a NZ entrepreneurial success story. Indeed it is, although it is now a US based company headquartered in Huntington Beach, USA, with a NZ subsidiary based in Auckland and on the Mahia Peninsula. Most of the capital invested in Rocket Lab now comes from US based funds and companies. The Electron engines are built in Huntington Beach and the launch vehicle assembled in Auckland.
There can be no doubt that Rocket Lab is revolutionising the space industry. But the launch of foreign military satellites by a NZ based company from a launch site on sovereign NZ soil raises some important political, practical and legal questions.
http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2019/05/launching-into-trouble/
Absolutely. The rocket lab guy is a national fucking disgrace.
Rbnz cuts OCR economy weak,
Will the Government issue more irrelevant policy to divert from underlying issues?
This got put in Open Mike for the 7th but it is really current so I carry over the last bits of the discussion on the WWEG and the government and the spending and Budget etc.
7 May 2019 at 11:45 pm
Coming in late at the end of a long thread.. I love that phrase 'The Disappointment Accumulator'
I too have long seen The Chairman as a concern troll – the most persistent and devious I have seen.
But I would now like name The Chairman "The Disappointment Accumulation Dispersal Man."
His messages always spread discouragement… so far.
Reply
8 May 2019 at 12:57 pm
In Vino I note and agree with you, which is pretty usual.
I used to dislike The Chairman because he was negative too early in my opinion, a disagreeable old moaner, in my opinion, when we needed to watch, encourage, wait for results and not put weedkiller on our patch.
But I read some of his stuff the other day and think his opinion was right for the time. He made a case that would allow Prime Minister Jacinda to press forward using leverage on her popularity with NZ, and get the austerity-for-everyone-but-me Labourites off their bums and looking across the room at other figures and numbers. They don't care about people in need and the founding ideals of Labour. But figures and numbers that show money spent now will save huge expense later would crown their miserly minds; and Labour could draw on reserves set aside now for those high expected future expenses. Spend now, and produce three-fold advantage of drops in expenditure in ten years or such.
From my comment at 1 1 1 1 I think I quoted The Chairman saying what I consider should be pressed on the Labour Coalition leaders prior to the Budget of the 30th May.
I agree, Greywarshark.. he has lately posted some fair arguments and material. But I am still wary. I remember the lovely 'out' that hard-out bible-bangers use – 'The Devil may use the Scriptures for his own purposes.' ..
I remain sceptical, even if he may be quite correct in your quote above. Even a subversive may use the truth.
Non-genetic factors play surprisingly large role in determining autism, says study by group
Environmental v Genetic
One Two,
Did you read the study about wearing tin foil hats (TFH) makes it easier for the government to track your thoughts ?
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/09/tin-foil-hats-actually-make-it-easier-for-the-government-to-track-your-thoughts/262998/
I thought this was weird but on closer reading it makes a lot of sense. I have to weigh up whether I continue to wear my TFH or biff it & risk wifi-madness vs. government knowing my thoughts. Would be happy with Jacinda in the know, but not Simon, so may ditch the TFH if Nats win the next election.
The spectrum's diversity can be explained much more easily when one lends weight to environmental factors as exacerbating pre-existing tendencies (genetics) to a disease outcome.
Vaginal vs caesarian birth, breast milk vs formula, country vs city, spray regimes, antibiotic history, diet, peer group, travel history… makeup of the microbiome…
WTB – read Charles Eisenstein's "Climate – A new story" yet?
No. Reading the blurb he'd be preaching to the choir. Deep ecology. Bring it.
My money's on the microbes as to who might survive all these shenanigans however. Give them another billion years or so the next rise of 'intelligence' – hairless bunnies rule the earth, then, being very fond of refrigerated carrots, but not having learned the whole CFC thing, they all die of sunburn. Rumor has it some go deep underground and wage war on the mollipedes for cavern space.
Life will find a way.
I reckon we'll find a way. 'Nuff said.
Yes, quite probably…
As you politely pointed out to one of this sites less informed commentators (quite a feat among that angry little mans group) who attempted to claim autism was simply the outcome of genetics…
There are an impossible number of environmental variations injected, injected (untested) and absorbed into and by pregnant woman and new borns from within moments of birth , many of which are only recently being explored regarding the microbiome and potential trigger factors…
Taking an absolute position that one single type of one single product line does not, or will not cause autism…is a ridiculous position to hold…
so if there are an impossible number of environmental variations that can cause autism and 10% of the factors are genetic, genetics are a larger risk factor than vaccines in causing autism.
do the math, educate yourself. Parenting can lead to autism
There is 1:1 correlation between suffering autism and having parents.
Following your 'maths'…every child who has received vaccine(s) has a mother …and is therefore genetically pre-disposed to autism…which could be triggered by vaccination(s)…
One size doe not fit all.
…"Following your 'maths'…every child who has received vaccine(s) has a mother …and is therefore genetically pre-disposed to autism…which could be triggered by vaccination(s)…"
I'm glad to know you agree that there is a stronger link between genetics and autism than vaccines and austism.
…"There is a 1:1 correlation between your insulting and abusive comments towards mothers (and fathers) who choose to selectively vaccinate or not vaccinate at all …. being misogynistic and bigoted…"
It's not misogynistic or bigoted. It's a refusal to let idiots who harm the community be allowed to harm the community.
I'm like a one person climate change march
I've just used your own commentary against you to illustrate that it is both misogynistic and bigoted.
Notably, those such as yourself must all be guys who push the same misogynistic and bigoted ignorance…
The refusal (denial), is by those who share views such as evidenced in commentary on this site (all guys), to accept or acknowledge decades of medical and scientific archives full with studies regarding vaccine failure and vaccine related damage and death.
Such denial is pure anti-science and bigotry… perhaps that goes over your head or is filtered out …
Conflating vaccine damage , death, denial and bigotry with climate change activism…
I responded to use your own commentary against you…that was the only reason…I just needed to hold back until you provided the material.
Which I knew that you would.
'The refusal (denial), is by those who share views such as evidenced in commentary on this site (all guys), to accept or acknowledge decades of medical and scientific archives full with studies regarding vaccine failure and vaccine related damage and death.
Such denial is pure anti-science and bigotry… perhaps that goes over your head or is filtered out …'
The most repetitive purveyor of pure anti-science and non-acceptance of the weight of scientific and medical literature is the poster who goes under the handle of one two.
There is no evidence that immunisation with MMR vaccine leads to autism, there is considerable evidence that Andrew Wakefield (previously Dr now struck off) authored a fraudulent research paper claiming a link between the MMR vaccine and autism and bowel disease. This fraud, understandably, caused a number of concerned parents at the time to not vaccinate their children.
Are you upset from the ethics discussion?…you should stop projecting your lack of knowledge, understanding …and weak linkage onto me…
You should consider broadening the inputs of the material you read…I see you enjoy the links to Offit/Gorski etc…and comment in support of the angry uninformed men who also exhibit their misogynistic bigotry (Gorski style) …
That is not the material which will assist your personal growth…
Reading and absorbing such material is keeping you, and others who function at a similar stunted level, on this subject…fixated on the same tired and misused tropes such was MMR/Wakefield…
If you were remotely capable of having this discussion, then you would have something more to offer…at this stage, you do not…
So you post comments projecting your under-informed frustrations outwards…
Pivoting from junk science to pseudo ethics to support your increasingly fragile premise?
I've noted you do this every time your sources and arguments are factually refuted. It's sad really, a classic example of the crazy person who thinks they are the only sane person in a world full of crazies
But you didn't use my own argument against me? you proved my argument to be correct and your own argument wrong. You then used your proof to label me misogynistic and bigoted.
So what you've done is slur a factually correct argument with labels because you don't like it being correct, despite your assertions proving it correct.
Congratulations. you played yourself.
Yes. I did. The question mark you use signals that you don’t even back yourself…
What was my argument ?
Yes, your comments are misogynistic and bigoted…and I used your comments and stated opinion regarding genetic pre-disposition to autism as being related to all children (your stated comments)…who all have mothers/parents…
I linked a study which indicates that genetic pre-disposition is a factor…(so I ask you again…what was my argument)…oh yes…that your comments are abusive, insulting… misogynistic bigotry…
…which of course they are …
Against the Mothers/parents whose genetically pre-disposed children are damaged by environmental elements and compounds including the ingredients of vaccines…
And you continue to abuse and insult those mothers/parents…
I'll not be spending any more energy responding to point out the misogynistic bigotry contained within your insults and abuse towards the mothers/parents of genetically pre-disposed vaccine damaged children…
yet look at all the energy you expend by even starting out wrong.
No no no, don't drag me into the nutty shit.
Autism is a spectrum, there are many factors attributed to higher incidences of Autism in many studies which I examined for over 18 months. Vaccines were NEVER one of them.
I'm on the spectrum and have a vested interest in the truth.
So STFU with the nonsense.
No no no, don't drag me into the nutty shit.
You replied to the study I linked to…I dragged you nowhere…
I'm on the spectrum and have a vested interest in the truth.
You do not have the monopoly on vested interests or on truth.
Edit: 18 +/- months does not say you have examined every study. Keep reading.
You're not interested in what professionals say. You're spreading nonsense and no matter what is said/shown you sit on your silly high horse continuing like everyone else is a shill.
You are a flat earthing asshat on this subject.
You're not interested in what professionals say.
I am absolutely interested in what professionals have to say on the subject…
I am absolutely interested on what the parents have to say on the subject of vaccine damage including autism to their children…
I am interested in what all studies, data and legal rulings say on the subject of vaccine damage…
In fact I can tell you that I am interested in every possible angle, aspect and facet of the subject of vaccination and its consequences…
You are a flat earthing asshat on this subject.
Believe whatever you like wtb…
I will keep enjoying your comments on gardens and the like…
I was interested in reading about early colonial history and the women who was paid to ride a horse to visit isolated Maori villages and talk about the problems of alcohol and encourage the women in particular to be alcohol free. She found in one area the whole hapu laid low with measles, with no outside help, no medicines. Their was some control about leaving the area so as to prevent it spreading which I think was set by Maori; a sort of rahui. She knew that they would die if help wasn't given and had to slip away to get out so she could advise the hospital authorities for that area. She succeeded and would not, I am sure, indulge in the rhetoric of anti-vaccers calling mostly, on their own bloated authority.
The strength of argumentative people who want to apply exactness to disease prevention here, has to be viewed alongside those who have upset people against the WHO trying to vaccinate against polio. They have been so inflamed by the diseased words they hear that they have killed health workers.
This behaviour has been a political ploy in the past, spreading the word that the vaccinations are sneaky ways of killing off your children by politicians and powers trying to clear people off the area, or take control of their lives. I think basically it is a power-play and is really despicable behaviour going straight to emotion and fear of the vulnerable, not encouraging people to look at it from the factual and rational POV.
Vitimin A Treatmen of Measles
Woman of all generations have assisted then, as they do today…
Name calling of mothers/parents (who are also women) thereby belittling their experiences, their knowledge and understandings…
…while sharing an anecdote promoting the presumed humility of the woman horse rider…
Contradictory, insulting, derogatory, misogynistic bigotry…on your part, gw…
Oral Polio Vaccine – India Paralysis
I think basically it is a power-play and is really despicable behaviour going straight to emotion and fear of the vulnerable, not encouraging people to look at it from the factual and rational POV
Your comments, like others here are laced with emotion, and lack both factual and rational content…in direct aggression against the vulnerable…
As I have illustrated above. Using your own comments and providing examples against them…
India uses the very cheap oral live polio vaccine, New Zealand (like most wealthy countries) uses injectable inactivated (dead) polio vaccine which is even safer than the already very very low hazard of the oral vaccine. Using figures from a poor vastly populous country like India (which necessarily uses the cheapest) to scaremonger in wealthy New Zealand (which has the money to buy what’s best for the people) is just straight-up malicious dishonesty.
Now to look at the actual numbers: the risk of oral polio vaccine induced paralysis is generally quoted at around 3 per million doses. The generally quoted risk of paralysis from an actual wild polio infection is 5000 per million. If I were heading to a polio-endemic area and the oral vaccine was the only one available, the 3 per million risk of the vaccine vs the 5000 per million risk of the disease makes it a no brainer (as indeed I had in 1969). But the inactivated booster I got in 1998 is even more of a no-brainer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
https://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/conditions-and-treatments/diseases-and-illnesses/polio-poliomyelitis – see the Prevention tab
Even when you try…you fail…
Either you can't or don't read so well…or your trying to score points…
GW raised a point about WHO polio campaigns…to which I countered with an example of severe levels of damage caused…by the polio vaccine…
If gw was referring to Nz…I presumed he was not..and linked accordingly…
Back to Gorski you go for your mysogynistic bigotry training…
Anything you have..I'll counter directly through it…
Without using Gorski style name calling and bigotry…
One Two, the actual article your scaremongering piece springboarded off of looked at Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis.
It found a weak correlation in parts of India with OPV administration and no causative mechanism was even suggested. A weak correlation in parts of India with its poor sanitation, poor nutrition, and massive load of other disease is hardly solid grounds for making the kinds of assertions the SciDev piece made and you repeated here.
Now, there's a couple of things to note about Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis that are right there in the name.
The Non-Polio bit means that the usual means of diagnosing polio turned up negative for those patients. It's not polio. And indeed, it occurs in places where polio has long been eradicated, like the US.
The second bit to note is the Acute bit. That means it's non-permanent. It's certainly a nasty illness, but it doesn't leave a permanent disability the way actual polio does.
I actually do read and can understand what the article and isissues are, Andre…Gorski and Offit have caused your self excused arrested development…
Stop shifting the goal posts…dismissing yet another example of vaccine caused damage to the children of mothers…
…to make excuses for your history of repetitive and bigoted comments…
Exactly! Instead of Environmental versus Genetic or Nature versus Nature it is the interplay between these two ‘levels’ (for want of a better word) that mutually influence each other through multiple positive and negative feedback loops.
Coming from a team of professionals (Minds for Minds) who studied this exact subject it surprised me the amount of people still trying to pin down one gene/bacteria/incidence to Autism. But then the drive for creating a drug is very strong in this crowd. Many genuinely care. Others… meh.
Things that sometimes alleviate ASD symptoms
Antibiotics. (often better at first, then worse)
Fecal transplants.
The gut bacteria are obviously key players in the severity of presentation of the disease. A healthy gut flora can help but the picky diets of many ASD sufferers make this difficult. The prebiotic fibres of many fruits and vegetables are important feedstocks for various probiotic species.
The reasons for picky food preferences, however, are not just do to with texture and taste. Often the gut microbiome is already compromised and a bad stomach ache and/or the squirts follow healthy eating as microbes do battle and the immune system goes into overdrive. In these cases antibiotics then a direct fecal transplant may help where a microbe population should be replaced rather than encouraged toward a more healthy makeup.
It's all relatively new to science, this thinking across disciplines, supposing maybe more than one thing is at play. They like to pin stuff down and make claims A begets B!
A is connected to the whole damn alphabet.
From my reading about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome what you say above seems relevant to people with this \also.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8453694_Study_on_the_genetic_damage_in_mice_induced_by_the_volatile_organic_compounds_of_decoration_materials
Genetic damages can also be caused by ‘VOC’S’ (Volatile organic chemical) exposures.
https://www.healthknot.com/voc.html
Much more liveliness in Martyn Bradbury's blog — his excitement sparking around. Lumpfing-around 'letter-writers' otherwise. I remember a respected 60s Listener editor's memoir's dry condemning chapter on such.
What?