Own goal by National flunky

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1. Kaplan 1

   4 May 2011 at 7:56 am

   Just listening to McFly (great name) squirm on RNZ. He can’t remember why he had to rush back but he know’s there was something important happening. Predictably he ends by trying to blame Labour… it’s all their fault. They bought the plane he simply HAD to use it. What a joke of a minister.
   • rosy 1.1

     4 May 2011 at 8:12 am

     What! he doesn’t keep a diary? yeah right – maybe we can help him…he left on Feb 13th back on 14th? – perhaps a valentine’s day dinner? or an early birthday party (born 19 February 1953)?
2. toad 2

   4 May 2011 at 8:11 am

   The Slater defence of McCully’s flight is nonsense. Qantas has daily return flights between Sydney and/or Brisbane and Vanuatu.

   If McCully and his entourage had flown to Vanuatu return via either Sydney or Brisbane they could have got there and back in 2 days, and at a cost of less than $2000 per passenger, or $16,000 all up. Actually, depending on the timing of the meeting, they probably could have flown one way direct Auckland to Port Vila, reducing the cost to around $1500 per passenger, or $12,000 all up.

   Instead, they chose to spend $75,000 of the defence budget so they can fly in luxury and cut a few hours off the trip. There can be no excuse for that.
   • toad 2.1

     4 May 2011 at 8:58 am

     McCully is now trying to spin it that the RNZAF 757 was needed because he had offered to pick up Pacific leaders on the way. As it turned out, that was only the Samoan entourage that took advantage of his taxi service. If he wanted to financially support Pacific nations attending, paying for their representatives to fly commercially might have bumped the costs up a bit – perhaps to $20K or $25K, but still substantially cheaper than the $75K the 757 is reported to have cost.
     • todd 2.1.1

       4 May 2011 at 11:07 am

       The RNZAF, a taxi service for the worlds politicians at our expense… How fucked is that. Don’t worry though, there’s some sick people that need their benefits cut because they cant work for the dole. We can just make some more cuts to Youth Justice, DOC, Legal Aid and Woman’s Refuges etc. I mean who needs those things anyway?

       We need our politicians to fly bigger faster planes. Shit give them a chopper and jet each, we can afford it… can’t we? I’m sure the one in five children living in poverty don’t mind paying for it. Who needs health or an education after all. Good to see National have their priorities right.
   • Terry 2.2

     4 May 2011 at 10:53 am

     Indeed there should be no excuse for McCully, but is it not entirely consistent with the ways of the National Party? The element of surprise is gone now, one with the rich and acting like the vastly rich.
3. Jono 3

   4 May 2011 at 8:13 am

   Good. Let’s hope this gets some traction. it’s sad but about the only thing that’s really stuck against the nats has been the stuff like BMW heated seats etc & this is just as bad as that; from Mister “unelected NGO bureaucrats throwing money out of helicopters” no less.
4. Lazy Susan 4

   4 May 2011 at 8:14 am

   In addition to not remembering why he had to be back so quickly he also challenged the quoted $75,000 but didn’t know how much it cost.

   Given the lack of attention he gives to his ministerial responsibility to be accountable one wonders where he’s managed to get such a misguided sense of self importance from. Seriously this man’s got his head in the clouds
5. tc 5

   4 May 2011 at 8:37 am

   For traction I believe the Hollowmen of nzonscreen.co.nz should be mandatory viewing for anyone wanting to vote NACT……same agenda/backing, different messaging, branding.

   Saw it for the first time last night……plenty of the dark lords in the current setup feature and Sideshow John is portrayed very accurately, make your own judgements, the footage is damming, their behaviour breathtakingly arrogant and disrepective of average kiwis.
6. mickysavage 6

   4 May 2011 at 9:26 am

   I wonder if any of the airplane seats were heated?
7. Bill 7

   4 May 2011 at 9:31 am

   So this is what the National policy of ‘civilianising’ the armed forces means? Meaning that on the bright side, privatisation of logistical support isn’t on the agenda afterall. Which of course must have been something Labour knew and helps explain their support for the civilianisation process. Just when I was thinking Labour had done another soft shoe shuffle sell out too. Shame on me.
8. ianmac 8

   4 May 2011 at 9:32 am

   That RNZ interview had Geoff helpfully getting McCulley through the questions raised. It was Geoff who suggested that it was just a Labour trouble making. McCulley leapt at the lifeline. It seemed strange to me that McCulley is very vague about just who these others were who needed this urgent transport.
   And wasn’t there two different planes involved? One going. Different one sent up for his return?
   http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20110504-0750-Government_under_fire_again_for_using_Defence_aircraft-048.mp3
9. Rich 9

   4 May 2011 at 10:10 am

   One standard argument that McCully and his apologists will trot out is that the airforce needs the training hours anyway on the 757.

   Which ignores the fact that the 757’s are themselves a boondoggle. They are designed as airliners and somewhat unsuited mechanically to the on-off operations of the air force. They need a decent runway to operate (Whenuapai needed an upgrade) and have limited self-defence capabilities.

   Almost all the 757 fleets operations (including Afghanistan, etc) could be replaced by commercial scheduled and charter flights. One of the reasons for keeping them is of course, to provide a VIP transport capability (hence the lie-flat beds, flat screen tellies, jacuzzi…). So McCully’s jaunts are actually part of the reason we spend huge dollars on a very dubious addition to our defences.
10. ghostwhowalksnz 10

    4 May 2011 at 10:11 am

    Qantas flies from Sydney and Brisbane to Port Vila ( vanuatu) .

    There are flights EVERY DAY plus 3 flights a week from brisbane ( more in peak season)

    So much for the nonsense about only flights on two days a week. Its no big deal to get from Sydney back to Auckland or Sydney to various pacific islands
    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      4 May 2011 at 10:16 am

      The issue is that McCully didn’t care about the details or how much Defence resources it took, he simply felt that he was worth it.

      Going into the nuts and bolts of how many flights here or there misses the point: he clearly didn’t plan his activities in advance, and he decided to treat himself to a Heads of State VIP service at the expense of the Defence Force budget.
11. randal 11

    4 May 2011 at 11:12 am

    about time the nats started trimming the fat from their gross desires to be big men on the world scene.
    if they dont do it then the electorate will. byeeeeeeee.
12. handle 12

    4 May 2011 at 11:20 am

    Is it in yet, Murray?
13. ianmac 13

    4 May 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Good question from Mr Shearer coming up today Question Time: ” DAVID SHEARER to the Minister of Defence: Does he agree with all of the statements made by the Minister of Foreign Affairs on that Minister’s use of RNZAF aircraft to travel to Vanuatu in February of this year?”
    Given that the delay on take off was reputed to be a dispute between McCulley and MOD
    • mickysavage 13.1

      4 May 2011 at 5:00 pm

      And in response Mapp said that Cameron was “woe­fully ill informed” in say­ing that there was a stand up argu­ment between Mapp and McCully.
14. Graeme 14

    4 May 2011 at 4:41 pm

    this is why the left are going to lose another election. who gives a shit the plane was used….the budget is set and allocated. if mccully uses it to go to vanautu or the ait force burn it in training, the plane is still going to fly.

    For fuck sake, find something substantial to moan about.
    • Draco T Bastard 14.1

      4 May 2011 at 7:27 pm

      Got proof that the plane was going to fly anyway? Just because the air force has a budget doesn’t mean that the entire budget was going to be used. It’s also possible that this flight sent them over budget.

      This line that come out of the RWNJs since the helicopter flights about “training” sounds like nothing but an attempt at distraction.
    • Colonial Viper 14.2

      4 May 2011 at 7:31 pm

      Graeme thinks because the budget was allocated (was it really? for this trip? for McCully’s portfolio?) its has to be wasted.

      Clap clap, more good Righty economic sense.
15. seeker 15

    4 May 2011 at 4:48 pm

    I can feel a billboard coming on – thanks Cammy.
16. Jum 16

    4 May 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Clive Matthew Wilson tells like it is for road and public transport, about 5-10 minutes into the discussion when Clive starts talking.

    http://static.radionz.net.nz/assets/audio_item/0010/2488753/aft-20110428-1635-The_Panel_with_Joe_Bennet_and_Raybon_Khan_part_2-m048.asx

    You’ll love the bit where Clive starts talking about what the rich think of the lowly public transport users – children, uni students, old folks, blind folks, poor folks, disabled folks, those who hate driving in Auckland. This is John Key and Don Brash and their mates talking. Remember that on 26 November.

    And don’t forget NActMU WILL SELL your assets whether they promise to or not. Remember that.

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