i don’t think the farms should get compensation for the infected cows
after the interview on the nation its an own goal by the farmers transferring animals to evade, tax over stocking polluting the water ways ,stealing water ,expecting tax payer to pay for there green house gases voting national and lets remember the 2 billion dollars they got for south Canterbury finance and most of the proceeds of the asset sales. and they want a bailout let them drown in there own mess. just like other nacts personnel responsibility and poor life choices doesn’t apply.
Kind of the same argument people use about people getting benefits. It’s their own fault etc.
What about the fully compliant farmer who’s cows caught mpb any way .
Farmers must have known NAIT wasn’t being fully supported by the industry; if they allowed that, why would they receive compensation when disease broke out? It’s like not insuring the house that burned down.
You’re not using my rationale at all, you’re using yours. In any case, what farmers “got” was Mycoplasma bovis. Whether they get compensation is another matter. What the industry should have done, is ensure the spread of disease couldn’t happen through untraceable stock movements and it didn’t ensure that, through non-compliant members of industry and a National Government that failed to ensure that compliance.
Even the farmers who tried to be fully compliant (like us) with NAIT were let down by the non-compliant farmers they sent or received animals from. Damien O’Connor talks about 70% non-compliance. 70%! One of those farmers has stock currently being tested for M. Bovis and is being forced by MPI to update NAIT records going back two years.
Why didn’t the National Government, friend of the farmers, press for total compliance to NAIT when they had the farmers on side? Did they “go easy” on the farming industry because that’s what’s needed to keep farmers voting blue? It would seem so. They must have gambled on “nothing serious arising” while the NAIT gates were down. Didn’t work out that way though. Mycoplasma bovis revealed a hole a mile wide.
The problem with NZ farmers spokespersons is that they are too fond of saying how efficient they are and modern. Talking the talk all the time. The latest thing is being able to trace the animal, farm to the table, and I suppose they made a half-hearted show at adopting that system with NAIT with the usual sly she’ll be right approach that NZ men adopt when there is no one in charge who is determined to enforce rules.
That is where the problem lies. Not bothering to live up to the high standard of management they were broadcasting. If NAIT
had been properly administered they would have coped well and quickly. Even better they would have made sure that the disease couldn’t be imported from australia. Remember the fuss about our apples couldn’t be exported there because they might introduce fireblight over to The Lucky Country. Then when a NZ scientist found some there in a park garden NZ was accused of having ‘planted’ it there. What is the bet that the MB came from Australia and hadn’t passed proper vet tests, or that we didn’t even bother asking for them; MPI, MoBIE or whichever bunch of cowboys are the wellpaid experts responsible?
But just like 100% pure in tourism, NZ shits itself in the foot again.
‘All mouth and no trousers’ as the saying goes.
Blustering and boastful, showing off without having the qualities to justify it. There is a suggestion that this is a corruption of a more logical, but rarely heard expression, ‘all mouth and no trousers’. meaning full of talk but deficient in the sexual area.
All mouth and no trousers – phrase meaning and origin https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/19/messages/511.html
As a former lawyer each year I had to pay a few grand to practice and part of that fee went to a fidelity fund to compensate people ripped off by rogue lawyers.
I never ripped off a single client but had to pay for those who did. Can you explain how this is different?
How did M.bovis “reach our shores”? It’s widely known, below the official level, but only qualifies as rumour until there’s an official statement. You might well wonder why it’s taking so long or why there isn’t intense media interest in the source of the infection.
…..and from memory it was first discovered on a group of Sth Canty farms in single ownership…..doubt theyre worth the couple of billion required for compensation or the aditional eradication/control costs.
“Sources suggested that although most farmers bought their livestock treatments and drugs from reputable pharmaceutical companies through vets, those wanting cheap drugs could get them from importers who sourced and imported them illegally from countries such as China, and it was possible mycoplasma bacteria was in those drugs and treatments.”
And this is just further evidence we need to tear up the China free trade deal.
I don’t often agree with you Ed, but in this case I think that farmers who are not NAIT compliant should get no compensation at all!
I’m not sure how you can be non compliant.
If you are, you are trying really hard too be, as stock agents, vendors and just everyone always want NAIT numbers before purchase and sale, I’m not sure why you wouldn’t want to be compliant, can’t see any advantage, monetarily or otherwise.
Also my understanding was that the disease came into the country via a dodgy veterinarian, not a farmer.
Jimmy, dodgy vet or dodgy farmer, it’s the same thing. The vet was just following industry practice of trying to push it to the limit to maximise profit by buying the cheapest possible product. And they did it so the farmer would get a better price and not go to the other provider who was probably just as dodgy.
Similar scenario when psa decimated the once disease free Kiwifruit industry after the National government relaxed rules that allowed growers to import pollen, it was meant to save time and money.
M.bovis did not “reach our shores” it was already here! its common name by which we all know it is Bovine tuberculosis (wikipedia is great) They have just renamed it! wonderful eh.
Yes thats the same bovine tuberculosis that was the reason we need to drop 1080 everywhere because possums are considered a vector.
It was inevitable given that we have been running a constant battle to contain Bovine tuberculosis that massive increase in density would prompt an outbreak such as this!
and yes it is highly infectious to humans! (wikipedia)
We are being sold a load of complete crap here!
And no the taxpayer should not be paying a cent for this inevitable outcome ! the industry should
also since the current spin is that its not dangerous to humans guess who is gonna eat all those cows they cull
Mycobacterium bovis is being controlled in New Zealand by vector control operations and stock movement controls with some sucess.
Mycoplasma bovis may be possible to eliminate by culling exposed animals if the occurrence is small, contained and identifiable, but with what’s coming to light regarding the industry’s practices this is looking very unlikely.
What about reinsurance, even if there is only state insurance, the local insurer will need to reinsure offshore with private companies as part of its risk management
Reply to bwaghorn … A bit of a sidetrack I know but if you are refering to people in the red zone … some people were intentionally uninsured for whatever reason (temporarily broke or permanently poor and elderly for example) but nobody imagined they would be losing their land as well. Businesses and those with bare land could not take the government option either as EQC doesn’t cover that. Eventually after many long years of battle I think most got some justice in the end.
Yes if their is failure threatens the whole system, but do agree this does lead to issue of morale hazard Goverments global reaction to GFC prevented the collapse of global monetary system and flow onto main street and accordingly prevented a repeat of the depression of the 30s.
I personally don’t think they should get gov money I just took offence to Gregs hateful bile and called him on it . I m picking he s a “real lefty ” so hates anything rural or business.
Poor life choices and personal responsibility are right wing fantasies with undercurrents of hate speech and racism. Basing government policy on such fantasies is a mistake.
Also, your policy seems unnecessarily vengeful, another right wing trait.
Last year before the change of government I did ask Damo about the cattle disease, he told me that he was extremely fustrated at the lack of action from the national government
Now I understand why. national with their farming roots, afraid to take action against some farmers who have messed it up for the rest of them.
The initial (alleged) importation of bovis-infected veterinary supplies by a dairy farmer is one thing; the “leaky” animal tracking system is another. Should the general public have to contribute to cleaning up the mess?
The way I see it, if someone is going to carry out some dodgy cattle trading, void of tracking systems etc, they should be responsible for their own actions. The difficulty is, discovering which farmers are to blame and which farmers were simply taken advantage of.
If some farmers were knowingly taking possibly illegal shortcuts trading cattle that has potentially put all NZ cattle at risk, I’d say the people responsible should carry the can.
Maybe it’s just mother natures way of saying…. slow the fu@k down on the dairying NZ it’s ruining the planet.
Yes Robert Guyton
The General Public should have to contribute to cleaning up the mess.
And that might wake up the said GP so that they take that vital interest in protecting their countryside and nation against the dangers of slackness and incompetence from business, farming or other.
We cannot just sit back and dream away that the leaders etc and those in business know it all and will do what is needed to protect their business brand and keep it high in estimation, or that they will protect their environment that forms an integral part of the resource provider they depend on. Doesn’t happen. We have been fooled.
Now we really do have to be a nanny state, and go around nagging for all the boys and girls trying to get high profits and subsidies for low input from taxes and charges, and full responsibility for upkeep with low monitoring of standards of care. Bloody naggers, that’s what we have to do, and it will always be so. We can’t get out of the need to take responsibility because no-one else will. Neglect our pretty countryside, our vulnerable animals, our trusting fellow citizens; we must not do it. We not only let them down, we let ourselves become bastardised.
Hey, Grey.
So, what’s the harm? Is farming finished because of this illness? No. Most other countries have it; why the panic? Why should the public step in and compensate industry? If it was forestry and a forester illegally imported a borer beetle, should we pay for its eradication? Shouldn’t industry look to its own? Should they shoulder the responsibility for the behaviour of its own people? We are being taken for fools, I reckon.
You are right Robert. But we can’t rely on RW to shoulder responsibility. Take on the cost and they will drop into bankruptcy or whatever. It’s us wot have got to pay in the end. You are saying what should happen. Should, should. That are words that get applied from authority to the poor and vulnerable, not get applied to those above except for those who have gone into medicine. They still try to keep up standards though even there false qualifications will get through.
We have been taken for fools. We need to suck it up and stop expecting honest effort from regulatory agencies etc. and start inspecting, for ourselves; citizens surveillance not being surveilled.
And things getting through, bugs etc – if we don’t watch ‘them’ it will be more of the same. Let it in and wait till someone notices and then throw hands in the air. We have to try and limit the stuff coming in and then have stations watching out for the windblown ones.
We all have to continue picking up rubbish, limiting what we use.
(I saw a National Geographic exhibition of photos – amazing. There was one, a picture of an apparently healthy penguin chick found dead. They looked at its stomach contents and laid it all out on a white background and there were about 200 little pieces of stuff, all different colours, seemingly all plastic. All small enough to gobble down and then just stay sitting in the gut.)
Greg, the small farmer, next door to the “factory farmer” has no control of this disease. He /She might be doing everything right, but the disease has jumped the fence. I think compensation should be capped, so small enterprises are helped, and larger factory type enterprises bear the balance of their losses. They would see overstocking and getting too large as less sustainable then.
Greens threaten their continued support of the Government
Green co-leader Marama Davidson told TV3’s The Hui “there is no Government that the Greens could be part of that would allow this to continue…”
The statement was made in reference to Housing NZ’s refusal to allow a disabled tenant to install a solar power starter package that was going to be provided and installed for free.
The Chairman….I don’t watch telly and that link demands a login to watch. Not prepared to go through that hoha, so is there more info on this from another source?
There are companies out there offering ‘to good to be true’ solar start up packages that contain fish hooks to snag the unwary.
if its the same deal outlined in the RNZ interview (which was in King Country,my mistake)….and the Greens are pushing for it then Id question their nous(e)
A 10 year contract with no price guarantee….that will be recouped (and interest) over and above power cost and some…..would the power co sign an agreement to provide power for 10 years at a fixed rate.?..i think we know the answer to that one.
The company is wanting a signed blank cheque….would you give them one?
Here are several points you seemed to have overlooked, Pat.
No electricity retailer fully guarantees their pricing.
The 10 year contract only applies to those that fail to upgrade. Which, doing so is generally in the consumers best interest.
Moreover, as an active player in a competitive retail market, it is unlikely the retailer will increase prices excessively more than it’s competitors. As not all its consumers will be on a 10 year plan.
Furthermore, apparently their charges are the cheapest.
Additionally, there is another out if things go awry. One can decide to pay for the starter package themselves, freeing them from the 10 year contract.
So consumers aren’t totally trapped, there is little to lose as outs are provided and it will provide consumers with savings. Therefore, why wouldn’t consumer want to give it a go?
an additional point….the 2 panels provided “free” will be lucky to produce 600 units of power per year….average use is around 8000 kWh…even with the upgrade you will be in negative territory …and then theres the line charge.
Of course not, they aren’t providing you with a fee solar starter package.
“The upgrade costs over $5000”
Where was that stated? It is my understanding that an upgrade can cost as little as $300, taking the water heating option.
“Retailers that have a signed 10 year contract are not so constrained on price…thats the point”
No. As I explained above, not all of their customers are on the 10 year plan – so it’s a moot point.
Cheaper pricing allows them to grow their market share. Therefore, if they want to maintain that growth and continue to grow as a company (as most companies do) they are unlikely to price themselves out of the market going forward.
Pricing was stated in Rosemary’s link (from Stuff).
“arnt totally trapped” is a great sales pitch there Chairman…..bet they love you at the mobile shop and pawnbrokers as well”
I’m not the topic, Pat. And we all know what it means when one resorts to personal pot shots. So up your game.
the water heating option as discussed in the RNZ interview is a gas califont…additional gas costs there (and likely fit out costs as well) not to mention the carbon emissions …and the 5k upgrade price is from the same source…..would suggest that if anyone needs to up their game a mirror may be in order.
Customers are not required to pay any up front costs but are guaranteed lower electricity prices. And lower electricity prices produce savings for consumers.
My game is doing just fine, Pat. Evident by me addressing all those points of yours and you only having one comeback.
As for your comeback, Yes, the water heating option will come with install costs, by that is highly unlikely to come close to $5000.
And sure, there will be additional running costs, but they will be far cheaper than what consumers already face. And the savings (as with the power savings) will help pay for the upgrade overtime. Whether one goes for the panel upgrade or the cheaper water heating option.
Moving to solar in the first place will help offset carbon emissions.
But all of this is pointless if HNZ won’t allow tenants to install solar.
you keep your focus, such as it is…and hopefully consumers (and confused Greens spokespeople) will grasp the foolishness of writing blank cheques for private profit….as to installing solar on state housing theres nothing to stop HNZ doing so without the need of third parties….or 10 year contracts.
My focus is seeing those struggling better off. They are already paying towards private profits, but this presents an opportunity to see those struggling become better off. So I don’t think the Green’s co-leader is confused on this.
As for HNZ, they won’t allow their tenants to install solar power, regardless who supplies it. And that is the major issue here.
The winter energy payments the Government is going to hand out is vastly insufficient. The disabled grandmother in the Hui story is paying around $500 a month, the winter energy payments the Government is offering won’t even cover one of her power bills.
Hence, the Government should be looking at providing all state home tenants and community cardholders with free solar packages to help them out. And providing all state home tenants with solar is ultimately what the Greens want to see happen.
It’s only a matter of time before the Government is forced to front up on this as it has a lot of public support, coupled with the Greens applying pressure.
22.30 through to end…
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13 May 2018 at 9:29 am
“Just listening to the RNZ interview now, yet to finish. However, Jacques Windell is putting forward a good argument for why it’s not a rort.”
It’s not the most informative of sites. Nothing seems to be “up front”. Information seems to be contingent upon “signing up”. I searched for “terms and conditions” on their 10 year thing – nothing.
Very short of info. Rather like those TV ads that give all all this stuff for a “free 30 day” trial but don’t tell you what you have to pay until you phone in by which time you fell obliged to buy.
I don’t think HNZ opposes solar panels, I think it is more of a case of not wanting the tenant to organise any changes to the electrical wiring without it’s consent, which it is entitled to do. Any landlord would do the same given the circumstances. I personally support solar panels on Housing NZ houses but this needs to be a move led by the corporation itself.
The disabled grandmother in the Hui’s coverage seeked consent from HNZ and was declined. The reason for which was not reported.
It wasn’t going to cost them (HNZ) a dime. But it would have added value to the property.
And as it will add value to a property with no cost to the landlord, most, I would assume would jump at the chance if offered.
While it may be within their right to decline, it doesn’t make it right.
Moreover, it’s counter productive to the rhetoric the Government has been spouting re warm dry homes. It’s hard to keep a home warm and dry when one can’t afford to turn the heating on.
You are not alone, lots of people I’ve spoken to about this also support the notion (solar panels on state homes). And it doesn’t have to be led by HNZ. The Government could also take the lead, directing HNZ to make it so.
But it seems the Greens and the Government overall have all gone rather silent on this since the Greens spoke up and took their bold stance last weekend.
Am I reading things right? 33c “anytime” doesn’t strike me as cheap (Superpower website)
What does a tenant do with a ten year contract given the precarious nature of rentals and penalties for breaking the contract?
What’s the scenario for a tenant who’s able to add panels (again) given the precarious nature of renting?
What if the review of lines company charges drops electricity charges significantly in the time between signing up and the end of the ten years, given that the customer’s “locked in” to Superpower and their rates?
I’m seeing “loss leader” and sniffing one of those “rent to own” HP deals companies used to make like bandits on.
“What’s the scenario for a tenant who’s able to add panels (again) given the precarious nature of renting?”
Good question. This would be something a tenant and their landlord would require to discuss.
“What if the review of lines company charges drops electricity charges significantly in the time between signing up and the end of the ten years, given that the customer’s “locked in” to Superpower and their rates?”
From my understanding, the contract may be for 10 years, but the prices aren’t fixed.
From my understanding, the contract may be for 10 years, but the prices aren’t fixed.
And that’s the point. If the review tumbles the price charged by the lines company, then the numbers being used by “Supercharged” may no longer stack up from a customers perspective. But they’ll be locked in to ten years during which “Supercharged” will be charging prices that make their “free offer” viable for themselves.
Put another way. Going with “Supercharged” may cost more for customers in the long run than would have been the case if they’d just stuck with what they’ve got.
“seems” is a wonderfully useful word….especially when you don’t bother to look or think too deeply….you may have noticed (or chosen not to perhaps) that their main area of core business is “high value commercial installations”…consequently the residential price competitiveness is hardly critical to their business.
Sorry, I thought your point was they would be stuck on a higher fixed price if prices fell.
But as you agree prices aren’t fixed, then you will know they can also fall if pricing structures change going forward.
As I explained to Pat above, as an active player in a competitive retail market, it is unlikely the retailer will increase prices excessively more than its competitors. As not all its consumers will be on a 10 year plan. Thus, to maintain and potentially grow their market share one would expect prices to remain competitive going forward. And there are outs provided if things go awry.
“As I explained to Pat above, as an active player in a competitive retail market, it is unlikely the retailer will increase prices excessively more than it’s competitors. As not all its consumers will be on a 10 year plan. Thus, to maintain and potentially grow their market share one would expect prices to remain competitive going forward. And there are outs provided if things go awry.”
a more blatant example of wishful thinking would be difficult to find….lol…as we know from experience business always operates with the interests of the consumer at heart.
Pat, remaining competitive, thus remaining in the game is the company looking after it’s own interest. It just happens to also provide a win for their customers.
As I’ve been telling you, this seems to be a win-win situation.
Thus, you screaming rort and blank cheques for private profit is a rather extremist red herring.
Retailers work on available margins. Supercharged Energy have already narrowed the one available to them by providing $3000 worth of panels, the cost of which needs to be recuperated.
If the wholesale price drops, their margin narrows or disappears altogether.
But they have “locked-in” customers to recuperate “losses” from.
Ergo, their customers may wind up paying more for electricity than if they’d waited for the reviews on the wholesalers to be completed.
why do you think (if you do) they are requiring a 10 year contract signed if the market dictates competitiveness?…they are contracting out of that competitive environment is the quite obvious answer hence your competition argument holds no water.
If the wholesale price drops, it gives them scope to restructure their pricing while maintaining margins. If wholesale prices drop, they pay less thus can afford to on-sell it for less while maintaining their margin.
Customers aren’t fully locked in. Hence if their prices increases excessively, customers will opt out. Resulting in no loss to the customer as they will sill have their starter package, however, the company can kiss goodbye to future returns. Thus, there is no commercial logic in doing so.
I await the howls of protest in a couple of years time when those foolish enough to sign up realise theyre worse off…meanwhile keep up the sales pitch.
“Why do you think (if you do) they are requiring a 10 year contract signed if the market dictates competitiveness?”
Because that is how long it will take them to recoup their outlay in getting this up and running.
Thus, it’s about limiting their risk.
It’s not about contracting out of that competitive environment. These 10 year contracts are only a small part of their retail business, so being competitive is important to their survival in a competitive market.
Less pot shots, more thought required in your argument.
To me, Chairman you have let your cover slip again. You show belief in competition and the free market.
How surprising.
NZ used to be one of the low-cost countries for electricity. When I was in Europe around 1980, I yearned for the low-cost, good electricity service we had in NZ.
I came back, lived through the farce of Rogernomics and Bradford’s reforms, and all of a sudden NZ has one of the more expensive electricity services. Basically a staged competition which constitutes an oligarchy.
You have shown again that you are a right-winger pretending to be a leftie, Chairman.
“To me, Chairman you have let your cover slip again. You show belief in competition and the free market”
I’m not the topic, Vino. Nevertheless, I don’t support totally free markets but competition can be effective .
I too have lived through Rogernomics and Bradford’s reforms and opposed them all the way.
I would love to see power provided as a public service. Unfortunately, this Labour lot aren’t going to do that. And of course this (the disabled grandmother story on the Hui) is an example of what we are left with, thus have to deal with.
We’ll be lucky if this Government allows solar power on state housing.
Ouch. Good post that time, Chairman. Sorry it took me so long to catch up, and probably nobody (not even you) will read this.
Will take into consideration for the future (after 15 May).
Honestly TC…I’d have thought both Mihi Forbes and Billie Jo Rohipa would have been more aware of the scrutiny such a pitch was going to attract, and done better with their narrative.
Plugging Renovation Guy’s set up as indicative of the potential for a two panel solar system to free a family from the tyranny of the lines company is disingenuous at best.
I am even less comfortable now I’ve actually eyeballed the two major protagonists.
There will be tears.
And embarrassment.
Would have been better for Council Guy with the facial hair obsession to have bailed up his central government colleague (in between supporting family in their animal abuse case) and guilt tripped the Current Incumbents into sorting out the lines company rort.
And heads up to the Lines Company… while they’re charging like wounded bulls…looks like its only the lichen holding their infrastructure together. Their kit could do with some tlc.
PS….carefully managed, Lady in Wheelchair could do better from the Winter Benefit Bonus thingy than she will save from those two solar panels. 😉 😉
“PS….carefully managed, Lady in Wheelchair could do better from the Winter Benefit Bonus thingy than she will save from those two solar panels”
No, she won’t. The winter energy payment won’t even cover one monthly bill. Whereas, the solar power starter package was calculated at saving her around a $100 a month.
So unless you can show there is something better on offer, surely you must see why she is keen to get on board?
But exactly how will this solar starter package save her $100 a month? Especially considering daylight hours during the winter. In Taumarunui, where the fog lifts at 10 and falls again at 4 there’s damn all solar gain.
“The Chairman. I believe, sir, you are seriously misguided in your support of this particular scheme.”
I don’t believe so. While its not the preferred solution, it’s the best solution (for some) they have on offer.
“I would install a decent high efficiency log burner with wet back linked, to a solar hot water system”
Yes, but would HNZ allow a solar hot water system to be installed?
Going off them declining the solar starter package, it’s unlikely.
Moreover, who is offering to provide these free (a decent high efficiency log burner with wet back linked, to a solar hot water system)?
Many companies have so-called free offers that aren’t really free so I wouldn’t get so hung up about that.
People aren’t totally locked into the 10 year contract and it’s in their own interest to upgrade. And with savings up to a hundred dollars a month, it provides the fiscal scope to do so.
And as I told you before, the question here is will the consumer benefit nonetheless? In this instance, it seems so.
Will be interesting if the Greens will take the same approach to the Social Security Legislation Rewrite Bill. It’s had its second reading and is at the Committee of the Whole House.
Very few changes were made. Sanctions are still there. Power for the executive to alter crucial aspects of the principal Act are still there. More of the same from Labour. Every time we think “maybe this time Labour will be different”, but no – when it comes to the poor they remain National’s most loyal supporters.
Sarah Wilson and others here predicted it, and now we have it. It’s official. Labour’s decided that it won’t be stopping its policy of shitting all over the poor any time soon:
IMO Greens need to learn to pick their battles, their intentions are good but they just look foolish on this one. It’s not practical for tenants to install their own solar, the sums don’t add up and likely never will.
The $$ sums of course. A solar installation is a fixed structure, the tenant can’t take it with them without considerable de-installation costs.
Depending on how good a shopper you are the payback period for a moderate sized 3kW solar install is 7-13 years. How would that make sense for a renter?
Btw that ‘free’ solar installation would take over 20yrs to pay itself off, small installs of only a couple of panels are not very economic.
“Btw that ‘free’ solar installation would take over 20yrs to pay itself off, small installs of only a couple of panels are not very economic.”
The provider in this case will recoup their outlay in 10 years.
“A solar installation is a fixed structure, the tenant can’t take it with them without considerable de-installation costs.”
True, but they can prearrange suitable compensation from their landlord (perhaps in the form of rent reductions) before purchasing/committing. Making it more feasible.
This scheme has been set up so one will save money just by switching over.
And apparently modelling shows there will be further savings. Even the critic in Pat’s RNZ link concurred there would be savings, albeit minimal in her eyes.
How would there be savings? The supplier needs to recoup the cost of the solar installation, they’d typically do that by charging more for the power they supply. If they didn’t have $3k to recover they could offer power at a lower price, it’s a bit inane to claim people will save anything from it.
And why would a landlord want to buy a used solar installation from a departing tenant? What’s in it for them? Even if they did buy they’d want a sizeable risk premium (discount) which would largely negate the savings from solar. It’s just not worth it from a tenant’s POV, the sums don’t add up.
It’s much what I’ve said Rosemary. Solar panels make economic sense to a homeowner because they can be expected to last over 25 years. It’s a sizeable capital outlay which you recover over 7-12 years and then reap the benefits thereafter once they’re paid off.
That simply doesn’t make economic sense to the typical renter. They’ll never stay long enough to reap the benefits. It could make sense if they could take their panels with them when they move but the cost of de-install and re-install would make that uneconomic too.
Because their current prices are outrageous. Hence, this is a better deal. Have you not been following the story?
“And why would a landlord want to buy a used solar installation from a departing tenant?”
Because it adds value to the property, saving them or future tenants power costs. Thus, could be rented out for more. And if approached before one commits, it won’t be used, it will be new.
Note the difference in the price of the plans between the free solar and the existing solar. Call me an old cynic but that looks to me like they ramped up the price on the free plan…. needs an explanation anyway.
It doesn’t say but probably, no mention of prompt payment dicsount either. I was mostly interested in the renting aspect of it so I haven’t followed the free solar story much, but the main thing is they appear to be offering two plans;
Plan 1
15 cents Daily Charge
9 cents/kWh Anytime
10 cents/kWh Day
8 cents/kWh Night
Plan 2
15 cents Daily Charge
15 cents/kWh Anytime
16 cents/kWh Day
14 cents/kWh
Now I read that as them charging more on the free plan to cover the cost of the ‘free’ solar panels. No doubt Mr Chairman will find some way of disagreeing with that conclusion though 😉
I have been asking those who live, eat and breathe solar and …one pundit had already looked into this scheme and…
‘…the terms and conditions for the two “free” solar panels that you will never own installed after a qualifying period, the 120 month (10 years to me) exclusive contract and you may walk away.
Edit. Well those terms and conditions were on the front page a few weeks ago. I have a copy here. They now appear to be well hidden away somewhere.’
I don’t live & breathe it but I do have a site with an off-grid solar installation. I’ve also spent considerable time on the subject over the years, even imported panels & other equipment on occasion, so I have a fair idea on the economics of it. It’s mostly just maths, most of the variables are fixed and it’s largely a matter of doing the sums correctly.
It needs Govt intervention to get low income people into solar, IMO few can do it themselves. My experience is that any deals targeted at people without the cash have extra costs loaded on – higher price for the kit and high interest rates on the financing. That increases the payback period beyond what one could view as a reasonable investment. Add 20-30% to the overall cost and the payback period also stretches out another few years, makes it too marginal.
“I don’t live & breathe it but I do have a site with an off-grid solar installation…”
Partner and I spend about 70% of our lives living in our Bus with 300W solar on the roof. Our power usage is necessarily low, especially with our failing deep cycle batteries. We seldom plug into the mains. Upside is cheap living that allows us to save….new batteries hopefully imminent :-)…downside is a diesel heater that needs a minimum number of volts to ignite, and power assist wheels on my partner’s wheelchair, also with failing batteries which need extra volts to charge fully.
Even without having access to all the specs of the basic superchargedpenergy system…instinct tells me that the inputs are not going to sustain the power use….
Totally agree with government assistance for solar…but for water heating. Solar power schemes, from what I’ve read, can be very efficient using large arrays…
The dreaded batteries… the achilles heel of being off-grid. I’m using some big forklift cells I imported as a business eval, even they’re not enough and I fret over cloudy weeks.
The water heating makes sense, frankly I’d rather have seen that than the insulation subsidy if there was a choice between the two.
The biggest hit on alternate power has been all the compliance costs loaded on by meddling bureaucrats. As solar came down in price up went the installation costs.
the link you havnt listened to yet?….she also said 2 panels as good as useless and the lines charges are unimpacted…plus $5500 for a six panel upgrade….only a complete fool would sign a 10 year supply agreement without a fixed known rate…,its fine to be a fool for yourself Chairman, it becomes akin to fraudulent when advising others to do so.
I wasn’t advising anyone, Pat. So if anyone is being fraudulent here, it’s you.
I was highlighting why people are joining up.
Line charges will be impacted as they are going to be based on power drawn with different rates for different times of the day. So the critic in your RNZ link was incorrect.
I’ve fully listened to your link a while back.
“Only a complete fool would sign a 10 year supply agreement without a fixed known rate”
You make it sound as if those that have signed up or are willing too have a better option, they don’t. They are currently being hammered. So you fail to take into account the context of their situation.
Hence, while it may not be right for some, there is no foolishness in accepting a good deal if it’s right for you.
And they are not totally locked into the 10 year contract as you very well know.
Many people have and will enter into a long-term floating mortgage without knowing what the rate of interest will be going forward. Do you think they are foolish too?
While there is certainly an onus on Farmers to be forthright with all authorities concerning this outbreak; overstocking, water consumption, corporate welfare et al have NOTHING to do with your original topic (Greg, 1) namely, compensation for stock losses due to Mycoplasma bovis.
Farmers should definitely receive compensation while this disease is controllable. Without compensation you’ll start to see some of the sneakiness you are so concerned about and Farmers will take more risks with more to lose. With compensation they (we) stand a chance of beating this thing.
You have a lot to say about Farmers but it’s largely an incomprehensible jumble. Pick an area, do some research, you’ll find a smoking gun to be angry about, this is not it.
Your suggestion Farmers should suffer because they voted National is kind of despicable. There’s plenty of good reasons they might be hoist by their own petard, voting in a democratic system is not even on the list.
DB, would you say that farmers’ “reluctance” to comply with the NAIT requirements has been a significant issue in controlling its spread? Had farmers, and the National Government made the animal tracing system fully operational, Mycoplasma bovis would not have spread to the extent it has, yes?
They’ve “shot themselves in the foot”, haven’t they?
Yes there is an aspect of stupidity (shot themselves) involved. This is not a Farmer thing in general though, it is an individual thing, where a small percentage, through selfishness/fear, have let the whole mob down. Also, a deep distrust in Government (I get it) is predominant here in this website, one might suppose some Farmers have similar issues too.
Historically we’ve seen similar. Farmers distrust in science/advice, taking matters into their own hands: It only took one or two landholders to ruin the control of rabbits by releasing a virus before we were ready to release it widely. Thus allowing rabbits to breed resistance.
My point is that it was not all farmers who did that. It was one or two.
Everyone wants a scalp, someone to be outraged at. We used to burn women (witches) for bacterial pathogens (plague, famine, disease). Should we burn the Farmers with the cows?
As for the (previous) Govt: Have they ever seen us as anything more than producers of bulk goods and cash money to sidetrack to corporate pals? The infected meat is, after all, saleable. Inaction was their MO.
The non-farming public don’t “want a scalp”, DB Brown, nor do they want someone to “be outraged at” – they/we are not fired up over M.bovis, farmers are. A “few” farmers caused the out break, but many farmers; those who failed to NAIT-up, created the opportunity for its rapid and untraceable spread. It seems the result of “agriculture-think” and that’s what non-farmers are shaking their heads at and asking, “why should we have to pay?”
I can cede those points. The original poster was out to lynch farmers which is a bit of a theme of late… I should have read further on the issue before commenting further, my bad. It’ll be hard for the buggers right now facing the loss of stock, no-one willingly went there.
It is unfortunate a lack of compliance was widespread, I doubt Farmers could’ve stopped it once it was detected though. It may be easy for some to imagine Farmers understand the implications of microbial pathology and epidemiology, but I doubt the majority do.
Why do non-farmers have to pay? I think as it’s one of those things where doing nothing is not a proper option; and it requires a significant coordinated response. NZ is NZ, not Farmer NZ and Townie NZ, just the one country. Here’s hoping we can kill it off, that’d be awesome. There may be a question of Farmer subsidies to be debated, for now it clouds the issue needing a response.
We beat the gypsy moth. Mad cows come and go… But we’ve seemingly just wrung our hands over Myrtle rust and Kauri dieback. Actually having a plan for Mycoplasma is excellent, non-compliance could have been factored in.
I appreciate your fair reply, DB Brown. It seems the M.bovis horse has bolted and is background now; the lesson? These things will happen. I think “agri-thinks” is wrong and shouldn’t be supported by the general public, but it is and the future looks like the present. There’s a better way, but we are not yet of a mind to hear it.
For a disease like this to spread it’s not one or two farmers DB Brown, it’s many, many more. I think you’re deluding yourself if you think it’s only one or two. The spread was too wide, and too quick.
My response to this is that the government needs to set up a commission of enquiry. An independant body to look into how this spread as it did, and the possibility of criminal charges being laid against those who spread it.
I don’t think checks should be written just yet, with the possibility of one of those checks going to a criminal.
I said it, it was criminal what the spreaders did.
Why dont farmers pay annual levies into a farm to insure against stuff? Lots of people get harm by the metaphoric jumping of fences. As a lawyer I had to pay annual fees to enable people to be compensated by rogue lawyers. I never transgressed but still had to pay.
It is curious that the farming industry changed their tune so quickly (around eradicating Mycoplasma bovis) when the Government told them how much they expected farmers to pay for the work. A very rapid about-face and suddenly there was no pressing need to eradicate – perhaps we can live with it, they said.
The really disturbing aspect of the whole situation is the extensive slaughter of animals and their consigning to “dead holes” and public refuse sites – mass killings and mass burials across the country! I wonder about the effects on groundwater and rivers and I wonder about…rats.
You’d think, bwaghorn but the Feds website and Stuff say differently:
Thousands of diseased calves taken to works and dumped in landfill … https://www.stuff.co.nz/…/thousands-of-diseased-calves-taken-to-works-and-dumped-in-…
2 days ago – Nathan Guy says some of the calves that went to the dump could have … In addition, a further 1270 animals were killed on farms and taken to …
“We, as a school, provide food parcels. said Principal of Holy Family School Chris Theobald.
“We start off the morning at 7:30am with breakfast and finish three days a week at 5 o’clock in the evening for our students.”
He said the extended hours aren’t because the students’ parents are drug users or alcoholics.
“We have little to no examples of that in our community. Our community isn’t under-employed they’re over-employed,” he said.
“Our community are working two or three jobs and that’s why we had to extend our hours to cater for the varied circumstances that don’t make up a typical nine to five working day for our families.”
Mr Theobald told the committee the school also advocates for families who are in tough situations because the students can’t learn until their standard of living improves.
“We have examples of families that haven’t had an oven for over 12 months and they’ve been using a BBQ because if they complain to their landlord then their rent will go up.” “
The moment any party gets into power can we really trust them to put into action what they committed to make a better NZ ?
If our PM is not concerned… REALLY. We are fast seeing the current PM looking and behaving like the previous voted in PM. http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/05/govt-hikes-cost-of-one-bedroom-kiwibuild-homes.html
How about this …..
“Onerous rules and requirements have made land more expensive and building on that land more expensive….But I want to assure our young people that they needn’t despair. A National Government will actively preserve and promote the home-ownership aspirations of everyday New Zealanders. We are a party founded on the principle of home ownership and we intend to deliver on that principle.” https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10455931
Pity no one really cares in keeping our govts. honest, and IMO they don’t care about being caught out, that is why we have so many spin drs. for. 🙁
The Americans, the British and ourselves fought a different sort of war to the Russians.
It was much more of a naval and air battle than the eastern front. That is, more machines, but less people. That means less causalities. But the strategic effect of the eastern war and the western war were broadly comparable in ensuring the ultimate defeat of Germany.
By 1945 the German Navy had virtually ceased to exist. Nazi Germany was under a complete naval blockade. The strategic air campaign devastated German industry, rail networks and the cities. Again by 1945 industrial production had dropped dramatically. All of this helps explain why it took 10 months from D day to the surrender.
The Russians did suffer dramatically. Some of that was due to the methods used by the Soviet Army. Stalin and the Russian Army would launch attacks leading to much higher casualties than would ever be tolerated in a western army.
To get a measure of the different ways of fighting think of the New Zealand casualty rate in the two world wars. Basically twice as many killed in WW1 as in WW2, even though we had more people serving in WW2 than in WW1. New Zealand commanders in WW2 were not permitted to run operations that would have WW1 scale casualties. That was also true of the British Army.
The eastern front (meaning the land war) was larger than the western front. Probably the best measure is that the Germans had twice as many land forces on the eastern front as on the western front. But the great majority of the Luftwaffe faced west.
And the defeat of Japan was almost entirely a western effort, mostly American.
Does this war crime negate the sacrifice of 25 million Russians who died defending their nation against the fascist horde?
By the Standard you use, we should not appreciate the British effort either as we could ask the people of Dresden about the British bombers who levelled their city in a firestorm.
Russian entered what became WW2 as a German ally against its western neighbours.
When Germany turned on them, the allies cooked up a deal to keep them in the war to erode German forces.
The Russians received enormous quantities of materiale to stay in the war. The maintenance of the resistance in France was a similar allied initiative.
Russian losses were horrific for several reasons. They lost a lot of experienced commanders to political shenanigans. A lot of forces were given mandatory counterattack orders irrespective of their situation. Russian staffing was very much based on a conscript armies model. Russian (under Stalin) greed for territory as the Germans retreated was significant. And, immediately postwar a lot of veterans were done away with for being ‘politically unreliable’.
So, is it true to say “25 million Russians who died defending their nation”? A less profligate use of Russian soldiers was entirely possible – they were sent into the fire as callously as our soldiers were at Paschendale.
Not sure ed where you are coming from Ed , in know way did Wayne denigrate Russia efforts he put up a reasoned arguement explaining casualty rate differences beteeen Russia and the allies, your response was petulant st best, playing the man and not the ball
Get your history right, Wayne. 80% of Hitler’s war effort went into the East, largely absorbed by Russia. I think you will also find that the Luftwaffe lost more heavily in the East than the West as well. We hear all about the wonderful Spitfire and the Mustang, but we never hear about the equally good fighters that Russia produced to eventually overcome the German fighters. Hitler’s policy (of concentrating on producing a lot of the fighters they had rather than improving them but producing fewer) did not pay off.
We in the West absorbed and conquered only 20% of Germany’s war effort, and despite a good start in a bit of a power vacuum, Japan never had Germany’s industrial strength, nor the ability to produce a nuclear weapon as Germany had. I suggest you check out when Germany actually achieved its peak industrial output for WW2. You will be rather surprised: Hitler was late to put German industry onto full war production, and the mass bombing campaigns were nowhere near as successful as its proponents hoped it would be. It was largely a campaign of terror against civilians
Ed
I think you should explain who you are talking to – you appear to have someone in mind. It would be good if you just allowed some people to make some errors and not correct and call out everything. Choose your targets.
Darn right Ed …. and the overwhelming bulk of the German army fighting the russians made D day possible …. and saved thousands upon thousands of common-wealth / u.s.a soldiers lives.
While the Russian army was engaged in a death struggle with the Nazi Army …. The British and yanks were bombing German cities .. perfecting the weapon of terror against civilians … Fire-storms.
The russians killed a higher percentage of german troops / armed services .
The British / yanks killed more Civilians …. and probably killed more German civilians than soldiers.
‘Victims of sexual assault waiting more than a year for counselling.
Sex attack victims are waiting more than a year for counselling, as stretched services struggle to cope with demand.
One university student says it’s been 13 months since she was sexually assaulted – and still, ACC and its counselling agencies haven’t been able to help.
The long wait for help has been punishing. She has searched around providers, looking for someone to talk to – but all of the Auckland City sexual assault counsellors are too busy, she says.’
A housing system that profits the rich, rather than providing secure homes for the workers.
‘Homeless man living in south Auckland hotel costing $2000 a week for tax payers
A homeless man who was living on the streets while struggling to recover from heart surgery is now staying in a $2000-a-week south Auckland hotel room paid for by the taxpayer while waiting to move into social housing.
His sorry story of sleeping rough, having his heart medication stolen and struggling to get a roof over his head highlights the “lack of adequate state housing in New Zealand” said Auckland Action Against Poverty co-ordinator Ricardo Menendez.
Experts have predicted Auckland’s homeless crisis is set to spike to worse levels this winter than any previous year.’
The vaccine was created at the Canadian government’s National Microbiology Laboratory. Only governments and charities are willing to invest in drugs for poor people. But Merck was happy to buy the rights, manufacture it and sell it for a hefty mark-up to those who will die without it.
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That’s why it’s so extraordinary that Trump should accuse countries like New Zealand of “bullying” American pharmaceutical companies. It is those companies that are exploiting sick and vulnerable people in small and developing nations around the world, whether it’s cancer sufferers in New Zealand or those struck down by ebola in the Congo.
Ed, have you read ‘Deconstruction Syria’ by Chris Kanthan
It’s an ebook, costs about $3.00. It covers alot that we already know, but quite a bit also that I wasn’t aware of.
I have just looked up the reviews, and they mostly agree with my own lived experience of Syria and the Arab Spring.
Of great relevance to the Western left, including an American audience, Saleh at times speaks directly to those who haven’t lived up to their proclaimed commitment to peace and justice. While progressives in the US undeniably made a major contribution to ending the US government’s war in Vietnam, arguably prevented a US invasion of Nicaragua, and contributed to the freeing of South Africa from the tyranny of apartheid, the largest part of the US “peace and justice” movement has utterly failed the Syrian people. Indeed, in the minds of many Syrians, it has been a betrayal.
Saleh has previously written about the willful blindness of the western left’s phony “anti-imperialism” and its chauvinist betrayal of Syria:
“What I always found astonishing is that mainstream Western leftists know almost nothing about Syria, its society, its regime, its people, its political economy, its contemporary history…
……The absurdity of organizations with the honorable words “PEACE” and “ANTIWAR” in their names giving overt or tacit support to the Assad government, a regime guilty of well-documented crimes of historic proportion, is strikingly ludicrous. Particularly when their tacit support for fascism is mere silence, the shame of these groups and individuals is acute.
But Saleh’s new book “Impossible Revolution” is not primarily focused on the international betrayal of Syria. Rather it is a collection of ten essays written over the past few years of the intense Syrian conflict. Together they trace the history from the perspective of developments intrinsic to the Syrian nation. It views the conflict both in Syrian national terms as well as with an international perspective…..
……Yassin al-Haj Saleh comes from eastern Syria near Raqqa, currently held by ISIS, his enemy no less than the Assad regime. During the time he was a medical student in Aleppo he joined a Marxist political organization openly critical of Hafez Assad, father of the current Syrian dictator. For this slight against the brutal dynasty, he spent 16 years of hell in a Syrian prison.
After the 2011 popular uprising against Bashar Assad, Saleh worked with underground civil organizations in areas largely outside the dictator’s control. His wife Samara, a leading civil society organizer, was kidnapped. Her fate remains unknown. Intensely sought by both Assad and anti-democratic Islamic forces, Saleh escaped to Turkey in 2013. There he currently works as a writer and historian of the Syrian Revolution.
Reflecting the immense joy and optimism of the enormous and largely non-violent uprising in 2011, the book’s opening essay “Revolution of the Common People” beams with the confidence and creativity of those early days. It was then the common belief that the Syrian people had forever lost their fear, and that they would never again succumb to the oppressor. Victory seemed inevitable and it seemed near, given the contemporaneous fall of dictators in Tunisia and Egypt.
Saleh writes in this early essay: “Today there are two powers in Syria: the regime and the popular uprising.” Indeed that was the common perception in 2011. But, alas, it ain’t no more!….
……In a recent interview with journalist Amy Goodman on “Democracy Now”*, Saleh defines four stages of the Syrian uprising and these are very much reflected in this book “Impossible Revolution”:
1) The period of peaceful demonstrations and the formation of the Free Syrian Army
2) The intervention of Hezbollah, Daesh, and Salafist forces which put a Sunni-Shia conflict character on the struggle
3) The massive increase of military force from Russia and Iran, coupled with US intervention against ISIS lead to what can be called the Imperialist stage
4) The stage where we are now. Saleh says that this stage remains in large part undefined. Saleh calls for “dynamic new thinking, reconciliation and moderation “ within the opposition, but he reiterates his conviction that there can be no peace with justice under Assad.
In these indecorous days for Syria it is hard to see a clear path ahead to a democratic Syria in peace. Yet in spite of the sobering reality on the Syrian ground today, the spirit of justice that has motivated the hearts and minds of millions of Syrians remains. It will undoubtedly flower again.
For readers and peace-loving people seriously interested in hearing a cogent, honorable and extraordinarily knowledgeable Syrian voice tracing the conflict in Syria, “Impossible Revolution” is at the top of the must-read list. It is an historic achievement.
The reason I have highlighted Amy Goodman and Democracy Now, is because Democracy Now is one of the few Leftist News Sites that has not succumbed to, or been overwhelmed by, the Tsunami of pro-fascist propaganda spewing out of sources as varied as Fox News and RT, and jumped on by every tinpot ignorant facebook instant expert and conspiracy theorist. These ignorant instant experts are aided in their delusions by thousands of Russian bots, further fueled by a latent but inherently racist liberal Islamophobia. Assad can’t be a fascist mass murderer, he is secular like us, he wears such beautifully tailored Western business suits, or occasionally a nice crisp Western style military uniform, with dark Raybans. Nothing like those horrid street Arabs, in their messy Keffiyehs.
Yassin al-Haj Saleh
” In 2012 he was granted the Prince Claus Award as “a tribute to the Syrian people and the Syrian revolution”. He was not able to collect the award, as he was living in hiding in the underground in Damascus.”
Now isn’t that telling. Who do we know inhabited the underground bunkers in Damascus. You know, where all the weapons factories were? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nJsvCoIkk
I wonder how much digging the ‘rebels’ forced him to do.
Intellectual and activist my arse; he is a terrorist.
And a liar.
I wont post links to his traitorous lies
Yup it’s super messed up, Ben-Gurion was near on obsessed with weapons, especially nuclear, setting the tone well and truly,
It’s rumoured Israel has the third largest nuclear arsenal on the planet….. but hey let’s not talk about that…. bibi’s whipping out a power point presentation on Iran, that’s much more interesting lololoooloooolzzz
The whole situation does my freakin head in. Good link, Jill Stein, excellent.
Why is it that when we are told something hard and tangible that it then at a later date words change their meaning !!!
Kiwibuild great concept BUT how the govt is destroying it by removing confidence that they have the skills and policies to implement this. https://www.interest.co.nz/news/88240/labours-immigration-policy-targets-kiwibuild-workers-and-apprentice-boost-aims-cut-20000
Construction firms will be exempt from applying the existing labour market test to bring in up to 1,500 foreign tradespeople at any one time if employers promise to take on a local apprentice for every migrant under a new ‘KiwiBuild Visa’ proposed by Labour.
Now we are told only yesterday that “we expect them to take on apprentices” (11:30 into the clip. Lisa Owen followed up to clarify this and the minister confirmed “we expect, hopefully”
For ….. sake !!!! How the tone is being diluted. http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/04/construction-minister-jenny-salesa-confident-kiwibuild-targets-will-be-met.html
Just as well not many follow politics in NZ and this program is not heavily watched. Crap like this goes unnoticed. (I note the same was the case for the preceding 9 years)
“There has been a huge growth in inequality, with the gap between rich and poor wider than at any time since World War Two.
Auckland is booming – just not for everyone. An official report obtained as part of a joint Stuff/Newshub investigation reveals the yawning gaps in a prosperity index across different parts of the city. In part one of a three-part report, Carmen Parahi and Simon Shepherd examine the five areas of Auckland with the lowest social deprivation scores.”
“I have got to say in the last 10 years it has got worse, I have never seen the disparity as bad as it is,” says Fuli.
We are not getting the same benefits that Auckland is getting from this rockstar economy that we have heard about.
LOTU FULI
She says they’ve seen more homeless and increased unemployment in the area, especially after the Fisher & Paykel appliances factory closed in 2016. The proportion of 15-64 year olds without work in her area is 10.1 per cent, nearly twice the Auckland average. Across New Zealand the rate is 4.5 per cent, the lowest in nine years.
“It was frustrating to say to people, ‘hey we need help, we need more money here’ when the story being put out everywhere else was we’ve got this amazing growth, we have this great economy, everything’s booming you should be okay and it’s your fault if you are not.”
With the Democrat contender field wide open, including Sanders, Warren, Biden, Booker, Bloomberg, Schultz, and more in the mix, the Democractic Party trajectory in both policy mix and leadership is more wide open than it’s been since Carter. Which is a wee way back.
Trump’s polling is rising, all the economic fundamentals that get echoed through the media are very strong, oil is rising, and it looks like his international positioning for the US is playing pretty well domestically.
I’d like the US to mean less, but nope, it still looms huge.
Dems will take a miracle to get the Senate back, and something even more miraculous to get both Senate and White House back.
Time to start praying for miracles, two years out.
Good morning The Am Show Its a shame Derek and Melissa are having a hard time with the immigration department you look like good people its a shame but that’s bureaucrats for you I wish you all the best.
I will be going to Tamaki Makaurau I will be representing my employers who have a minor problem with the Auckland Council I am sure if they treat me and my employers fairly that we will come to a positive solution to this issue.
Many thanks to NewsHub for showing the inequality in living standard in Tamaki Makaurau Ka pai E hoa .
Duncan that was a good yarn you handled that well. Mark Matt Watson looks exactly like one of my good bosses lol. You do look like Paul Newman .
Ka kite ano
Good evening Newshub that is a crying shame all those shell fish in Auckland are dead because people don’t consider how venerable our wildlife is to sudden changes to there environment those property developers need to clean there act up another mess from you know who.
Inequality’s rapid rise in New Zealand is the direct result of nationals policy’s plan and simple a plan to suppress Maori .
Wish you all the best Penny Bright Mana Wahine .
With the Rainbow community Eco Maori has met a few they are good humans my view is we are all human beings and we all deserve to be treated with respect no matter what the culture race or sex Ka pai
It was a good weekend of sports Kia kaha .Ka kite ano
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Three opinion polls have been released in the last two days, all showing that the new government is failing to hold their popular support. The usual honeymoon experienced during the first year of a first term government is entirely absent. The political mood is still gloomy and discontented, mainly due ...
National's Finance Minister once met a poor person.A scornful interview with National's finance guru who knows next to nothing about economics or people.There might have been something a bit familiar if that was the headline I’d gone with today. It would of course have been in tribute to the article ...
Rob MacCulloch writes – Throughout the pandemic, the new Vice-Chancellor-of-Otago-University-on-$629,000 per annum-Can-you-believe-it-and-Former-Finance-Minister Grant Robertson repeated the mantra over and over that he saved “lives and livelihoods”.As we update how this claim is faring over the course of time, the facts are increasingly speaking differently. NZ ...
Chris Trotter writes – IT’S A COMMONPLACE of political speeches, especially those delivered in acknowledgement of electoral victory: “We’ll govern for all New Zealanders.” On the face of it, the pledge is a strange one. Why would any political leader govern in ways that advantaged the huge ...
Bryce Edwards writes – The list of former National Party Ministers being given plum and important roles got longer this week with the appointment of former Deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett as the chair of Pharmac. The Christopher Luxon-led Government has now made key appointments to Bill ...
TL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy at 10:06am on Wednesday, May 1:The Lead: Business confidence fell across the board in April, falling in some areas to levels last seen during the lockdowns because of a collapse in ...
Over the past 36 hours, Christopher Luxon has been dong his best to portray the centre-right’s plummeting poll numbers as a mark of virtue. Allegedly, the negative verdicts are the result of hard economic times, and of a government bravely set out on a perilous rescue mission from which not ...
Auckland Transport have started rolling out new HOP card readers around the network and over the next three months, all of them on buses, at train stations and ferry wharves will be replaced. The change itself is not that remarkable, with the new readers looking similar to what is already ...
Completed reads for April: The Difference Engine, by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling Carnival of Saints, by George Herman The Snow Spider, by Jenny Nimmo Emlyn’s Moon, by Jenny Nimmo The Chestnut Soldier, by Jenny Nimmo Death Comes As the End, by Agatha Christie Lord of the Flies, by ...
On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
Have a story to share about St Paul’s, but today just picturesPopular novels written at this desk by a young man who managed to bootstrap himself out of father’s imprisonment and his own young life in a workhouse Read more ...
The list of former National Party Ministers being given plum and important roles got longer this week with the appointment of former Deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett as the chair of Pharmac. The Christopher Luxon-led Government has now made key appointments to Bill English, Simon Bridges, Steven Joyce, Roger Sowry, ...
Newsroom has a story today about National's (fortunately failed) effort to disestablish the newly-created Inspector-General of Defence. The creation of this agency was the key recommendation of the Inquiry into Operation Burnham, and a vital means of restoring credibility and social licence to an agency which had been caught lying ...
Holding On To The Present:The moment a political movement arises that attacks the whole idea of social progress, and announces its intention to wind back the hands of History’s clock, then democracy, along with its unwritten rules, is in mortal danger.IT’S A COMMONPLACE of political speeches, especially those delivered in ...
Stuck In The Middle With You:As Christopher Luxon feels the hot breath of Act’s and NZ First’s extremists on the back of his neck and, as he reckons with the damage their policies are already inflicting upon a country he’s described as “fragile”, is there not some merit in reaching out ...
The unpopular coalition government is currently rushing to repeal section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act. The clause is Oranga Tamariki's Treaty clause, and was inserted after its systematic stealing of Māori children became a public scandal and resulted in physical resistance to further abductions. The clause created clear obligations ...
Buzz from the Beehive The government’s official website – which Point of Order monitors daily – not for the first time has nothing much to say today about political happenings that are grabbing media headlines. It makes no mention of the latest 1News-Verian poll, for example. This shows National down ...
It Takes A Train To Cry:Surely, there is nothing lonelier in all this world than the long wail of a distant steam locomotive on a cold Winter’s night.AS A CHILD, I would lie awake in my grandfather’s house and listen to the traffic. The big wooden house was only a ...
Packing A Punch: The election of the present government, including in its ranks politicians dedicated to reasserting the rights of the legislature in shaping and determining the future of Māori and Pakeha in New Zealand, should have alerted the judiciary – including its anomalous appendage, the Waitangi Tribunal – that its ...
Dead Woman Walking: New Zealand’s media industry had been moving steadily towards disaster for all the years Melissa Lee had been National’s media and communications policy spokesperson, and yet, when the crisis finally broke, on her watch, she had nothing intelligent to offer. Christopher Luxon is a patient man - but he’s not ...
Chris Trotter writes – New Zealand politics is remarkably easy-going: dangerously so, one might even say. With the notable exception of John Key’s flat ruling-out of the NZ First Party in 2008, all parties capable of clearing MMP’s five-percent threshold, or winning one or more electorate seats, tend ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Polling shows that Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has the lowest approval rating of any mayor in the country. Siting at -12 per cent, the proportion of constituents who disapprove of her performance outweighs those who give her the thumbs up. This negative rating is ...
Luxon will no doubt put a brave face on it, but there is no escaping the pressure this latest poll will put on him and the government. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political ...
This is a re-post from The Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler In the wake of any unusual weather event, someone inevitably asks, “Did climate change cause this?” In the most literal sense, that answer is almost always no. Climate change is never the sole cause of hurricanes, heat waves, droughts, or ...
Something odd happened yesterday, and I’d love to know if there’s more to it. If there was something which preempted what happened, or if it was simply a throwaway line in response to a journalist.Yesterday David Seymour was asked at a press conference what the process would be if the ...
Hi,From time to time, I want to bring Webworm into the real world. We did it last year with the Jurassic Park event in New Zealand — which was a lot of fun!And so on Saturday May 11th, in Los Angeles, I am hosting a lil’ Webworm pop-up! I’ve been ...
Education Minister Erica Standford yesterday unveiled a fundamental reform of the way our school pupils are taught. She would not exactly say so, but she is all but dismantling the so-called “inquiry” “feel good” method of teaching, which has ruled in our classrooms since a major review of the New ...
Exactly where are we seriously going with this government and its policies? That is, apart from following what may as well be a Truss-Lite approach on the purported economic “plan“, and Victorian-era regression when it comes to social policy.Oh it’ll work this time of course, we’re basically assured, “the ...
Hey Uncle Dave, When the Poms joined the EEC, I wasn't one of those defeatists who said, Well, that’s it for the dairy job. And I was right, eh? The Chinese can’t get enough of our milk powder and eventually, the Poms came to their senses and backed up the ute ...
Polling shows that Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has the lowest approval rating of any mayor in the country. Siting at -12 per cent, the proportion of constituents who disapprove of her performance outweighs those who give her the thumbs up. This negative rating is higher than for any other mayor ...
Buzz from the Beehive Pharmac has been given a financial transfusion and a new chair to oversee its spending in the pharmaceutical business. Associate Health Minister David Seymour described the funding for Pharmac as “its largest ever budget of $6.294 billion over four years, fixing a $1.774 billion fiscal cliff”. ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Many criticisms are being made of the Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill, including by this writer. But as with everything in politics, every story has two sides, and both deserve attention. It’s important to understand what the Government is trying to achieve and its ...
TL;DR: Here’s my top 10 ‘pick ‘n’ mix of links to news, analysis and opinion articles as of 10:10am on Monday, April 29:Scoop: The children's ward at Rotorua Hospital will be missing a third of its beds as winter hits because Te Whatu Ora halted an upgrade partway through to ...
span class=”dropcap”>As hideous as David Seymour can be, it is worth keeping in mind occasionally that there are even worse political figures (and regimes) out there. Iran for instance, is about to execute the country’s leading hip hop musician Toomaj Salehi, for writing and performing raps that “corrupt” the nation’s ...
Yesterday marked 10 years since the first electric train carried passengers in Auckland so it’s a good time to look back at it and the impact it has had. A brief history The first proposals for rail electrification in Auckland came in the 1920’s alongside the plans for earlier ...
Right now, in Aotearoa-NZ, our ‘animal spirits’ are darkening towards a winter of discontent, thanks at least partly to a chorus of negative comments and actions from the Government Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on ...
You make people evil to punish the paststuck inside a sequel with a rotating castThe following photos haven’t been generated with AI, or modified in any way. They are flesh and blood, human beings. On the left is Galatea Young, a young mum, and her daughter Fiadh who has Angelman ...
April has been a quiet month at A Phuulish Fellow. I have had an exceptionally good reading month, and a decently productive writing month – for original fiction, anyway – but not much has caught my eye that suggested a blog article. It has been vaguely frustrating, to be honest. ...
A listing of 31 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, April 21, 2024 thru Sat, April 27, 2024. Story of the week Anthropogenic climate change may be the ultimate shaggy dog story— but with a twist, because here ...
Hi,I spent about a year on Webworm reporting on an abusive megachurch called Arise, and it made me want to stab my eyes out with a fork.I don’t regret that reporting in 2022 and 2023 — I am proud of it — but it made me angry.Over three main stories ...
The new Victoria University Vice-Chancellor decided to have a forum at the university about free speech and academic freedom as it is obviously a topical issue, and the Government is looking at legislating some carrots or sticks for universities to uphold their obligations under the Education and Training Act. They ...
Do you remember when Melania Trump got caught out using a speech that sounded awfully like one Michelle Obama had given? Uncannily so.Well it turns out that Abraham Lincoln is to Winston Peters as Michelle was to Melania. With the ANZAC speech Uncle Winston gave at Gallipoli having much in ...
She was born 25 years ago today in North Shore hospital. Her eyes were closed tightly shut, her mouth was silently moving. The whole theatre was all quiet intensity as they marked her a 2 on the APGAR test. A one-minute eternity later, she was an 8. The universe was ...
Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by Sue Bin Park in collaboration with members from our Skeptical Science team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Is Antarctica gaining land ice? ...
Images of US students (and others) protesting and setting up tent cities on US university campuses have been broadcast world wide and clearly demonstrate the growing rifts in US society caused by US policy toward Israel and Israel’s prosecution of … Continue reading → ...
Barrie Saunders writes – Dear Paul As the new Minister of Media and Communications, you will be inundated with heaps of free advice and special pleading, all in the national interest of course. For what it’s worth here is my assessment: Traditional broadcasting free to air content through ...
Many criticisms are being made of the Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill, including by this writer. But as with everything in politics, every story has two sides, and both deserve attention. It’s important to understand what the Government is trying to achieve and its arguments for such a bold reform. ...
Peter Dunne writes – The great nineteenth British Prime Minister, William Gladstone, once observed that “the first essential for a Prime Minister is to be a good butcher.” When a later British Prime Minister, Harold Macmillan, sacked a third of his Cabinet in July 1962, in what became ...
Ele Ludemann writes – New Zealanders had the OECD’s second highest tax increase last year: New Zealanders faced the second-biggest tax raises in the developed world last year, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) says. The intergovernmental agency said the average change in personal income tax ...
We all know something’s not right with our elections. The spread of misinformation, people being targeted with soundbites and emotional triggers that ignore the facts, even the truth, and influence their votes.The use of technology to produce deep fakes. How can you tell if something is real or not? Can ...
This video includes conclusions of the creator climate scientist Dr. Simon Clark. It is presented to our readers as an informed perspective. Please see video description for references (if any). This year you will be lied to! Simon Clark helps prebunk some misleading statements you'll hear about climate. The video includes ...
It is all very well cutting the backrooms of public agencies but it may compromise the frontlines. One of the frustrations of the Productivity Commission’s 2017 review of universities is that while it observed that their non-academic staff were increasing faster than their academic staff, it did not bother to ...
Buzz from the Beehive Two speeches delivered by Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters at Anzac Day ceremonies in Turkey are the only new posts on the government’s official website since the PM announced his Cabinet shake-up. In one of the speeches, Peters stated the obvious: we live in a troubled ...
1. Which of these would you not expect to read in The Waikato Invader?a. Luxon is here to do business, don’t you worry about thatb. Mr KPI expects results, and you better believe itc. This decisive man of action is getting me all hot and excitedd. Melissa Lee is how ...
…it has a restricted jurisdiction which must not be abused: it is not an inquisitionNOTE – this article was published before the High Court ruled that Karen Chhour does not have to appear before the Waitangi Tribunal Gary Judd writes – The High Court ...
The Government is again adding to New Zealand’s growing unemployment, this time cutting jobs at the agencies responsible for urban development and growing much needed housing stock. ...
With Minister Karen Chhour indicating in the House today that she either doesn’t know or care about the frontline cuts she’s making to Oranga Tamariki, we risk seeing more and more of our children falling through the cracks. ...
The Labour Party is saddened to learn of the death of Sir Robert Martin, a globally renowned disability advocate who led the way for disability rights both in New Zealand and internationally. ...
Labour is calling for the Government to urgently rethink its coalition commitment to restart live animal exports, Labour animal welfare spokesperson Rachel Boyack said. ...
Today’s Financial Stability Report has once again highlighted that poverty and deep inequality are political choices - and this Government is choosing to make them worse. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to do more for our households in most need as unemployment rises and the cost of living crisis endures. ...
Unemployment is on the rise and it’s only going to get worse under this Government, Labour finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds said. Stats NZ figures show the unemployment rate grew to 4.3 percent in the March quarter from 4 percent in the December quarter. “This is the second rise in unemployment ...
The New Zealand Labour Party welcomes the entering into force of the European Union and New Zealand free trade agreement. This agreement opens the door for a huge increase in trade opportunities with a market of 450 million people who are high value discerning consumers of New Zealand goods and ...
The National-led Government continues its fiscal jiggery pokery with its Pharmac announcement today, Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says. “The government has increased Pharmac funding but conceded it will only make minimal increases in access to medicine”, said Ayesha Verrall “This is far from the bold promises made to fund ...
This afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
Te Pāti Māori is disgusted at the confirmation that hundreds are set to lose their jobs at Oranga Tamariki, and the disestablishment of the Treaty Response Unit. “This act of absolute carelessness and out of touch decision making is committing tamariki to state abuse.” Said Te Pāti Māori Oranga Tamariki ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and Mema Paremata mō Tāmaki-Makaurau, Takutai Tarsh Kemp, will travel to the Gold Coast to strengthen ties with Māori in Australia next week (15-21 April). The visit, in the lead-up to the 9th Australian National Kapa haka Festival, will be an opportunity for both ...
The Government is modernising insurance law to better protect Kiwis and provide security in the event of a disaster, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “These reforms are long overdue. New Zealand’s insurance law is complicated and dated, some of which is more than 100 years old. ...
The coalition Government is refreshing its approach to supporting pay equity claims as time-limited funding for the Pay Equity Taskforce comes to an end, Public Service Minister Nicola Willis says. “Three years ago, the then-government introduced changes to the Equal Pay Act to support pay equity bargaining. The changes were ...
Structured literacy will change the way New Zealand children learn to read - improving achievement and setting students up for success, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Being able to read and write is a fundamental life skill that too many young people are missing out on. Recent data shows that ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay says Canada’s refusal to comply in full with a CPTPP trade dispute ruling in our favour over dairy trade is cynical and New Zealand has no intention of backing down. Mr McClay said he has asked for urgent legal advice in respect of our ‘next move’ ...
The rights of our children and young people will be enhanced by changes the coalition Government will make to strengthen oversight of the Oranga Tamariki system, including restoring a single Children’s Commissioner. “The Government is committed to delivering better public services that care for our most at-risk young people and ...
The Government is making it easier for minor changes to be made to a building consent so building a home is easier and more affordable, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “The coalition Government is focused on making it easier and cheaper to build homes so we can ...
New Zealand lost a true legend when internationally renowned disability advocate Sir Robert Martin (KNZM) passed away at his home in Whanganui last night, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. “Our Government’s thoughts are with his wife Lynda, family and community, those he has worked with, the disability community in ...
Good evening – Before discussing the challenges and opportunities facing New Zealand’s foreign policy, we’d like to first acknowledge the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. You have contributed to debates about New Zealand foreign policy over a long period of time, and we thank you for hosting us. ...
From today, passengers travelling internationally from Auckland Airport will be able to keep laptops and liquids in their carry-on bags for security screening thanks to new technology, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Creating a more efficient and seamless travel experience is important for holidaymakers and businesses, enabling faster movement through ...
People with an interest in the health of Northland’s marine ecosystems are invited to a public meeting to discuss how to deal with kina barrens, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones will lead the discussion, which will take place on Friday, 10 May, at Awanui Hotel in ...
Kiwi exporters are $100 million better off today with the NZ EU FTA entering into force says Trade Minister Todd McClay. “This is all part of our plan to grow the economy. New Zealand's prosperity depends on international trade, making up 60 per cent of the country’s total economic activity. ...
There are heartening signs that the extractive sector is once again becoming an attractive prospect for investors and a source of economic prosperity for New Zealand, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The beginnings of a resurgence in extractive industries are apparent in media reports of the sector in the past ...
The return of the historic Ō-Rākau battle site to the descendants of those who fought there moved one step closer today with the first reading of Te Pire mō Ō-Rākau, Te Pae o Maumahara / The Ō-Rākau Remembrance Bill. The Bill will entrust the 9.7-hectare battle site, five kilometres west ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has announced 25 new high-speed EV charging hubs along key routes between major urban centres and outlined the Government’s plan to supercharge New Zealand’s EV infrastructure. The hubs will each have several chargers and be capable of charging at least four – and up to 10 ...
The coalition Government will not proceed with the previous Government’s plans to regulate residential property managers, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “I have written to the Chairperson of the Social Services and Community Committee to inform him that the Government does not intend to support the Residential Property Managers Bill ...
The Government has announced an independent review into the disability support system funded by the Ministry of Disabled People – Whaikaha. Disability Issues Minister Louise Upston says the review will look at what can be done to strengthen the long-term sustainability of Disability Support Services to provide disabled people and ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has attended the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva and outlined the Government’s plan to restore law and order. “Speaking to the United Nations Human Rights Council provided us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while responding to issues and ...
The Government and Rotorua Lakes Council are committed to working closely together to end the use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua. Associate Minister of Housing (Social Housing) Tama Potaka says the Government remains committed to ending the long-term use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua by the ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay heads overseas today for high-level trade talks in the Gulf region, and a key OECD meeting in Paris. Mr McClay will travel to Riyadh to meet with counterparts from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). “New Zealand’s goods and services exports to the Gulf region ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford has outlined six education priorities to deliver a world-leading education system that sets Kiwi kids up for future success. “I’m putting ambition, achievement and outcomes at the heart of our education system. I want every child to be inspired and engaged in their learning so they ...
The new NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) App is a secure ‘one stop shop’ to provide the services drivers need, Transport Minister Simeon Brown and Digitising Government Minister Judith Collins say. “The NZTA App will enable an easier way for Kiwis to pay for Vehicle Registration and Road User Charges (RUC). ...
Whānau with tamariki growing up in emergency housing motels will be prioritised for social housing starting this week, says Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka. “Giving these whānau a better opportunity to build healthy stable lives for themselves and future generations is an essential part of the Government’s goal of reducing ...
Racing Minister Winston Peters has paid tribute to an icon of the industry with the recent passing of Dave O’Sullivan (OBE). “Our sympathies are with the O’Sullivan family with the sad news of Dave O’Sullivan’s recent passing,” Mr Peters says. “His contribution to racing, initially as a jockey and then ...
Assalaamu alaikum, greetings to you all. Eid Mubarak, everyone! I want to extend my warmest wishes to you and everyone celebrating this joyous occasion. It is a pleasure to be here. I have enjoyed Eid celebrations at Parliament before, but this is my first time joining you as the Minister ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced Pharmac’s largest ever budget of $6.294 billion over four years, fixing a $1.774 billion fiscal cliff. “Access to medicines is a crucial part of many Kiwis’ lives. We’ve committed to a budget allocation of $1.774 billion over four years so Kiwis are ...
Hon Paula Bennett has been appointed as member and chair of the Pharmac board, Associate Health Minister David Seymour announced today. "Pharmac is a critical part of New Zealand's health system and plays a significant role in ensuring that Kiwis have the best possible access to medicines,” says Mr Seymour. ...
Hundreds of New Zealand families affected by Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) will benefit from a new Government focus on prevention and treatment, says Health Minister Dr Shane Reti. “We know FASD is a leading cause of preventable intellectual and neurodevelopmental disability in New Zealand,” Dr Reti says. “Every day, ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones today attended the official opening of Kaikohe’s new $14.7 million sports complex. “The completion of the Kaikohe Multi Sports Complex is a fantastic achievement for the Far North,” Mr Jones says. “This facility not only fulfils a long-held dream for local athletes, but also creates ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters’ engagements in Türkiye this week underlined the importance of diplomacy to meet growing global challenges. “Returning to the Gallipoli Peninsula to represent New Zealand at Anzac commemorations was a sombre reminder of the critical importance of diplomacy for de-escalating conflicts and easing tensions,” Mr Peters ...
Ambassador Millar, Burgemeester, Vandepitte, Excellencies, military representatives, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen – good morning and welcome to this sacred Anzac Day dawn service. It is an honour to be here on behalf of the Government and people of New Zealand at Buttes New British Cemetery, Polygon Wood – a deeply ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
By Koroi Hawkins, RNZ Pacific editor Jeremiah Manele has been elected Prime Minister of Solomon Islands, polling 31 votes to 18 over rival candidate and former opposition leader Mathew Wale with one abstention. The final result of the election by secret ballot was announced by the Governor-General, Sir David Vunagi, ...
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i don’t think the farms should get compensation for the infected cows
after the interview on the nation its an own goal by the farmers transferring animals to evade, tax over stocking polluting the water ways ,stealing water ,expecting tax payer to pay for there green house gases voting national and lets remember the 2 billion dollars they got for south Canterbury finance and most of the proceeds of the asset sales. and they want a bailout let them drown in there own mess. just like other nacts personnel responsibility and poor life choices doesn’t apply.
Kind of the same argument people use about people getting benefits. It’s their own fault etc.
What about the fully compliant farmer who’s cows caught mpb any way .
Farmers must have known NAIT wasn’t being fully supported by the industry; if they allowed that, why would they receive compensation when disease broke out? It’s like not insuring the house that burned down.
So those poor people who didn’t insure there houses in ch ch got what they deserved using your rational
You’re not using my rationale at all, you’re using yours. In any case, what farmers “got” was Mycoplasma bovis. Whether they get compensation is another matter. What the industry should have done, is ensure the spread of disease couldn’t happen through untraceable stock movements and it didn’t ensure that, through non-compliant members of industry and a National Government that failed to ensure that compliance.
Even the farmers who tried to be fully compliant (like us) with NAIT were let down by the non-compliant farmers they sent or received animals from. Damien O’Connor talks about 70% non-compliance. 70%! One of those farmers has stock currently being tested for M. Bovis and is being forced by MPI to update NAIT records going back two years.
Why didn’t the National Government, friend of the farmers, press for total compliance to NAIT when they had the farmers on side? Did they “go easy” on the farming industry because that’s what’s needed to keep farmers voting blue? It would seem so. They must have gambled on “nothing serious arising” while the NAIT gates were down. Didn’t work out that way though. Mycoplasma bovis revealed a hole a mile wide.
The problem with NZ farmers spokespersons is that they are too fond of saying how efficient they are and modern. Talking the talk all the time. The latest thing is being able to trace the animal, farm to the table, and I suppose they made a half-hearted show at adopting that system with NAIT with the usual sly she’ll be right approach that NZ men adopt when there is no one in charge who is determined to enforce rules.
That is where the problem lies. Not bothering to live up to the high standard of management they were broadcasting. If NAIT
had been properly administered they would have coped well and quickly. Even better they would have made sure that the disease couldn’t be imported from australia. Remember the fuss about our apples couldn’t be exported there because they might introduce fireblight over to The Lucky Country. Then when a NZ scientist found some there in a park garden NZ was accused of having ‘planted’ it there. What is the bet that the MB came from Australia and hadn’t passed proper vet tests, or that we didn’t even bother asking for them; MPI, MoBIE or whichever bunch of cowboys are the wellpaid experts responsible?
But just like 100% pure in tourism, NZ shits itself in the foot again.
‘All mouth and no trousers’ as the saying goes.
Blustering and boastful, showing off without having the qualities to justify it. There is a suggestion that this is a corruption of a more logical, but rarely heard expression, ‘all mouth and no trousers’. meaning full of talk but deficient in the sexual area.
All mouth and no trousers – phrase meaning and origin
https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/19/messages/511.html
It’s just money to these corporate farmers.
As a former lawyer each year I had to pay a few grand to practice and part of that fee went to a fidelity fund to compensate people ripped off by rogue lawyers.
I never ripped off a single client but had to pay for those who did. Can you explain how this is different?
Apparently farmers are special.
unfortunately, like any, the ‘industry’ is the sum of individuals….how each should be regarded varies.
…one question I havnt seen asked or answered is how it (M.Bovis) reached our shores?
How did M.bovis “reach our shores”? It’s widely known, below the official level, but only qualifies as rumour until there’s an official statement. You might well wonder why it’s taking so long or why there isn’t intense media interest in the source of the infection.
quick search revealed this..
https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/red-meat/action-call-over-any-found-have-illegally-brought-mbovis
…..and from memory it was first discovered on a group of Sth Canty farms in single ownership…..doubt theyre worth the couple of billion required for compensation or the aditional eradication/control costs.
Proceeds of crime act 🙂
Farmers who do this deserve no compensation.
“Sources suggested that although most farmers bought their livestock treatments and drugs from reputable pharmaceutical companies through vets, those wanting cheap drugs could get them from importers who sourced and imported them illegally from countries such as China, and it was possible mycoplasma bacteria was in those drugs and treatments.”
And this is just further evidence we need to tear up the China free trade deal.
I don’t often agree with you Ed, but in this case I think that farmers who are not NAIT compliant should get no compensation at all!
I’m not sure how you can be non compliant.
If you are, you are trying really hard too be, as stock agents, vendors and just everyone always want NAIT numbers before purchase and sale, I’m not sure why you wouldn’t want to be compliant, can’t see any advantage, monetarily or otherwise.
Also my understanding was that the disease came into the country via a dodgy veterinarian, not a farmer.
Glad we agree.
Jimmy, dodgy vet or dodgy farmer, it’s the same thing. The vet was just following industry practice of trying to push it to the limit to maximise profit by buying the cheapest possible product. And they did it so the farmer would get a better price and not go to the other provider who was probably just as dodgy.
Similar scenario when psa decimated the once disease free Kiwifruit industry after the National government relaxed rules that allowed growers to import pollen, it was meant to save time and money.
M.bovis did not “reach our shores” it was already here! its common name by which we all know it is Bovine tuberculosis (wikipedia is great) They have just renamed it! wonderful eh.
Yes thats the same bovine tuberculosis that was the reason we need to drop 1080 everywhere because possums are considered a vector.
It was inevitable given that we have been running a constant battle to contain Bovine tuberculosis that massive increase in density would prompt an outbreak such as this!
and yes it is highly infectious to humans! (wikipedia)
We are being sold a load of complete crap here!
And no the taxpayer should not be paying a cent for this inevitable outcome ! the industry should
also since the current spin is that its not dangerous to humans guess who is gonna eat all those cows they cull
Mycoplasma Bovis, not Mycobacterium Bovis 🙄
I think you are confusing two very different things.
There’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycobacterium_bovis which causes bovine TB, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_bovis which is the issue here.
Snap.. Jimmy
Mycobacterium bovis is being controlled in New Zealand by vector control operations and stock movement controls with some sucess.
Mycoplasma bovis may be possible to eliminate by culling exposed animals if the occurrence is small, contained and identifiable, but with what’s coming to light regarding the industry’s practices this is looking very unlikely.
“and yes it is highly infectious to humans! ”
There is one simple solution.
Eat a plant based diet.
Good for you.
Good for the animals.
Good for the planet.
A win win win situation.
We should have government insurance- nor private insurance owned by large foreign financial interests.
What about reinsurance, even if there is only state insurance, the local insurer will need to reinsure offshore with private companies as part of its risk management
Not if we nationalise the banks.
+1000
Reply to bwaghorn … A bit of a sidetrack I know but if you are refering to people in the red zone … some people were intentionally uninsured for whatever reason (temporarily broke or permanently poor and elderly for example) but nobody imagined they would be losing their land as well. Businesses and those with bare land could not take the government option either as EQC doesn’t cover that. Eventually after many long years of battle I think most got some justice in the end.
So all businesses hit by stuff outside their control get bailed out or just some?
Yes if their is failure threatens the whole system, but do agree this does lead to issue of morale hazard Goverments global reaction to GFC prevented the collapse of global monetary system and flow onto main street and accordingly prevented a repeat of the depression of the 30s.
I personally don’t think they should get gov money I just took offence to Gregs hateful bile and called him on it . I m picking he s a “real lefty ” so hates anything rural or business.
Poor life choices and personal responsibility are right wing fantasies with undercurrents of hate speech and racism. Basing government policy on such fantasies is a mistake.
Also, your policy seems unnecessarily vengeful, another right wing trait.
Good to see you back oab
Thanks 🙂
Last year before the change of government I did ask Damo about the cattle disease, he told me that he was extremely fustrated at the lack of action from the national government
Now I understand why. national with their farming roots, afraid to take action against some farmers who have messed it up for the rest of them.
The initial (alleged) importation of bovis-infected veterinary supplies by a dairy farmer is one thing; the “leaky” animal tracking system is another. Should the general public have to contribute to cleaning up the mess?
yup the leaky animal tracking system……
The way I see it, if someone is going to carry out some dodgy cattle trading, void of tracking systems etc, they should be responsible for their own actions. The difficulty is, discovering which farmers are to blame and which farmers were simply taken advantage of.
If some farmers were knowingly taking possibly illegal shortcuts trading cattle that has potentially put all NZ cattle at risk, I’d say the people responsible should carry the can.
Maybe it’s just mother natures way of saying…. slow the fu@k down on the dairying NZ it’s ruining the planet.
New Zealand is a country without meaningful regulations and/or the enforcement of such rules.
We are the poster boy for neoliberalism.
And with no enforced rules we get…
The CTV Building
Pike River
Leaky Buildings
and this
A culture of cowboys.
Has come home to roost.
And still the sheeple can be herded to support such a shambles by catchphrases such as ‘ red tape, bureaucrats, PC gone mad, …”
Too many New Zealanders have been dumbed down so much they can’t recognise the wood from the trees.
Sad to see a great socialist country laid low.
Roger Douglas and his cadre of conspirators need to be tried for treason.
And sentenced.
Severely.
Yes Robert Guyton
The General Public should have to contribute to cleaning up the mess.
And that might wake up the said GP so that they take that vital interest in protecting their countryside and nation against the dangers of slackness and incompetence from business, farming or other.
We cannot just sit back and dream away that the leaders etc and those in business know it all and will do what is needed to protect their business brand and keep it high in estimation, or that they will protect their environment that forms an integral part of the resource provider they depend on. Doesn’t happen. We have been fooled.
Now we really do have to be a nanny state, and go around nagging for all the boys and girls trying to get high profits and subsidies for low input from taxes and charges, and full responsibility for upkeep with low monitoring of standards of care. Bloody naggers, that’s what we have to do, and it will always be so. We can’t get out of the need to take responsibility because no-one else will. Neglect our pretty countryside, our vulnerable animals, our trusting fellow citizens; we must not do it. We not only let them down, we let ourselves become bastardised.
Nothing wrong with a nanny.
Far better than a cowboy.
Nannies care.
Cowboys don’t.
Hey, Grey.
So, what’s the harm? Is farming finished because of this illness? No. Most other countries have it; why the panic? Why should the public step in and compensate industry? If it was forestry and a forester illegally imported a borer beetle, should we pay for its eradication? Shouldn’t industry look to its own? Should they shoulder the responsibility for the behaviour of its own people? We are being taken for fools, I reckon.
You are right Robert. But we can’t rely on RW to shoulder responsibility. Take on the cost and they will drop into bankruptcy or whatever. It’s us wot have got to pay in the end. You are saying what should happen. Should, should. That are words that get applied from authority to the poor and vulnerable, not get applied to those above except for those who have gone into medicine. They still try to keep up standards though even there false qualifications will get through.
We have been taken for fools. We need to suck it up and stop expecting honest effort from regulatory agencies etc. and start inspecting, for ourselves; citizens surveillance not being surveilled.
And things getting through, bugs etc – if we don’t watch ‘them’ it will be more of the same. Let it in and wait till someone notices and then throw hands in the air. We have to try and limit the stuff coming in and then have stations watching out for the windblown ones.
We all have to continue picking up rubbish, limiting what we use.
(I saw a National Geographic exhibition of photos – amazing. There was one, a picture of an apparently healthy penguin chick found dead. They looked at its stomach contents and laid it all out on a white background and there were about 200 little pieces of stuff, all different colours, seemingly all plastic. All small enough to gobble down and then just stay sitting in the gut.)
I believe the organism can also be carried by imported semen.
Greg, the small farmer, next door to the “factory farmer” has no control of this disease. He /She might be doing everything right, but the disease has jumped the fence. I think compensation should be capped, so small enterprises are helped, and larger factory type enterprises bear the balance of their losses. They would see overstocking and getting too large as less sustainable then.
Bold move by the Greens largely goes unnoticed.
Greens threaten their continued support of the Government
Green co-leader Marama Davidson told TV3’s The Hui “there is no Government that the Greens could be part of that would allow this to continue…”
The statement was made in reference to Housing NZ’s refusal to allow a disabled tenant to install a solar power starter package that was going to be provided and installed for free.
The statement was made at around 22.55 into the show
https://www.threenow.co.nz/shows/the-hui/season-3%3A-sunday-6-may-2018/125685/M21250-300
The Housing Minister initially tried to distance himself, stating it was an operational matter, but has now asked Housing NZ to look into it.
Still awaiting an outcome.
Good on the Greens for flexing their muscles over this. Shame they weren’t prepared to take a similar bold stance with their opposition to the TPP.
This is good.
Disabled need to be more independent of the system as possible, and this is especially true in a grid down scenario.
The Chairman….I don’t watch telly and that link demands a login to watch. Not prepared to go through that hoha, so is there more info on this from another source?
There are companies out there offering ‘to good to be true’ solar start up packages that contain fish hooks to snag the unwary.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103158699/councillors-uneasy-about-solar-energy-company
if this is the ‘locked in’ for ten years in the Hawkes Bay deal that was covered on RNZ a week or so ago then HNZ are doing the client a favour.
I haven’t seen that report, Pat. So I’m not sure if it is related or not.
Nevertheless, I don’t think the Greens would be advocating for this if there wasn’t a consumer benefit.
No, Rosemary. Unfortunately I’ve found no other coverage of this story. The Hui did a lead up the previous week.
The link you posted was related, as too is this one:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/ruapehu-press/102772022/free-solar-brings-relief-for-struggling-households-in-king-country?rm=m
Re your link, yes there are fish hooks but it seems to be a win-win as consumers will benefit (save money) regardless.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018642924/warnings-against-free-solar-deal
the word ‘rort’ springs to mind
So you are suggesting the Greens are advocating for this rort, Pat? Or could it be a win win for both, hence it’s got the Greens support?
if its the same deal outlined in the RNZ interview (which was in King Country,my mistake)….and the Greens are pushing for it then Id question their nous(e)
Just listening to the RNZ interview now, yet to finish. However, Jacques Windell is putting forward a good argument for why it’s not a rort.
Care to state why you believe it is?
A 10 year contract with no price guarantee….that will be recouped (and interest) over and above power cost and some…..would the power co sign an agreement to provide power for 10 years at a fixed rate.?..i think we know the answer to that one.
The company is wanting a signed blank cheque….would you give them one?
Here are several points you seemed to have overlooked, Pat.
No electricity retailer fully guarantees their pricing.
The 10 year contract only applies to those that fail to upgrade. Which, doing so is generally in the consumers best interest.
Moreover, as an active player in a competitive retail market, it is unlikely the retailer will increase prices excessively more than it’s competitors. As not all its consumers will be on a 10 year plan.
Furthermore, apparently their charges are the cheapest.
Additionally, there is another out if things go awry. One can decide to pay for the starter package themselves, freeing them from the 10 year contract.
So consumers aren’t totally trapped, there is little to lose as outs are provided and it will provide consumers with savings. Therefore, why wouldn’t consumer want to give it a go?
point by point…
1) no they dont…nor do they require you to sign up for 10 years
2)the upgrade costs over $5000…and these are people struggling to pay for bare necessities…im sure they could do with an additional 5k debt
3)retailers that have a signed 10 year contract are not so constrained on price…thats the point
4) their prices are CURRENTLY the cheapest…to get the contract signed
5)not sure where you get that from.
“arnt totally trapped” is a great sales pitch there Chairman…..bet they love you at the mobile shop and pawnbrokers as well
an additional point….the 2 panels provided “free” will be lucky to produce 600 units of power per year….average use is around 8000 kWh…even with the upgrade you will be in negative territory …and then theres the line charge.
“Nor do they require you to sign up for 10 years”
Of course not, they aren’t providing you with a fee solar starter package.
“The upgrade costs over $5000”
Where was that stated? It is my understanding that an upgrade can cost as little as $300, taking the water heating option.
“Retailers that have a signed 10 year contract are not so constrained on price…thats the point”
No. As I explained above, not all of their customers are on the 10 year plan – so it’s a moot point.
Cheaper pricing allows them to grow their market share. Therefore, if they want to maintain that growth and continue to grow as a company (as most companies do) they are unlikely to price themselves out of the market going forward.
Pricing was stated in Rosemary’s link (from Stuff).
“arnt totally trapped” is a great sales pitch there Chairman…..bet they love you at the mobile shop and pawnbrokers as well”
I’m not the topic, Pat. And we all know what it means when one resorts to personal pot shots. So up your game.
the water heating option as discussed in the RNZ interview is a gas califont…additional gas costs there (and likely fit out costs as well) not to mention the carbon emissions …and the 5k upgrade price is from the same source…..would suggest that if anyone needs to up their game a mirror may be in order.
Re your additional point.
Customers are not required to pay any up front costs but are guaranteed lower electricity prices. And lower electricity prices produce savings for consumers.
they are most certainly NOT GUARANTEED lower electricity prices…a point you seem unable to grasp
My game is doing just fine, Pat. Evident by me addressing all those points of yours and you only having one comeback.
As for your comeback, Yes, the water heating option will come with install costs, by that is highly unlikely to come close to $5000.
And sure, there will be additional running costs, but they will be far cheaper than what consumers already face. And the savings (as with the power savings) will help pay for the upgrade overtime. Whether one goes for the panel upgrade or the cheaper water heating option.
Moving to solar in the first place will help offset carbon emissions.
But all of this is pointless if HNZ won’t allow tenants to install solar.
Thus, we need to focus more on this point.
you keep your focus, such as it is…and hopefully consumers (and confused Greens spokespeople) will grasp the foolishness of writing blank cheques for private profit….as to installing solar on state housing theres nothing to stop HNZ doing so without the need of third parties….or 10 year contracts.
My focus is seeing those struggling better off. They are already paying towards private profits, but this presents an opportunity to see those struggling become better off. So I don’t think the Green’s co-leader is confused on this.
As for HNZ, they won’t allow their tenants to install solar power, regardless who supplies it. And that is the major issue here.
The winter energy payments the Government is going to hand out is vastly insufficient. The disabled grandmother in the Hui story is paying around $500 a month, the winter energy payments the Government is offering won’t even cover one of her power bills.
Hence, the Government should be looking at providing all state home tenants and community cardholders with free solar packages to help them out. And providing all state home tenants with solar is ultimately what the Greens want to see happen.
It’s only a matter of time before the Government is forced to front up on this as it has a lot of public support, coupled with the Greens applying pressure.
Guaranteed lower electricity prices in this instance is what has been reported
https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/ruapehu-press/102772022/free-solar-brings-relief-for-struggling-households-in-king-country?rm=m
disingenuous as you know….the same person who admitted the guarantee didnt exist in the interview you listened to earlier.
“Disingenuous as you know”
No I don’t know that. I’ve yet to finish listening to all of it. I’ve been blogging and had other things going on.
So back up your assertion with a time stamp of where in the interview this was supposedly said, thanks.
22.30 through to end…
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13 May 2018 at 9:29 am
“Just listening to the RNZ interview now, yet to finish. However, Jacques Windell is putting forward a good argument for why it’s not a rort.”
Seems you’re being disingenuous, Pat.
I’ve just gone and listened from 22.30 on-wards and there is no admission as you claimed.
I never got that far in my first attempt to listen to it and I’ve yet to fully listen to the whole interview.
“Care to state why you believe it is?”
I wandered over to their website earlier….layout and formatting convinced me all is not well here
https://superchargedenergy.co.nz/get-free-solar-panels-free-solar-power/
For example….bold headings, then the text is faded….wtf is that about?
Repeated use of the words “free” and “giveaway”.
I feel the stench of these operators….http://www.shopathomeservices.co.nz/
I could be wrong….but my instincts say stay away.
It’s not the most informative of sites. Nothing seems to be “up front”. Information seems to be contingent upon “signing up”. I searched for “terms and conditions” on their 10 year thing – nothing.
Very short of info. Rather like those TV ads that give all all this stuff for a “free 30 day” trial but don’t tell you what you have to pay until you phone in by which time you fell obliged to buy.
Rosemary, most consumers nowadays are aware that products being advertised as being free come with a catch.
The question is will the consumer benefit nonetheless? In this instance, it seems so (see my reply to Pat).
Therefore, you would need to point to something more concrete to suggest otherwise.
“… most consumers nowadays are aware that products being advertised as being free come with a catch. ”
So the ends justifies the means?
Rubbish. Be upfront and totally transparent.
Disappointed if the Greens are supporting initiatives run along these line.
It sounds like you think the market model still has credence.
“So the ends justifies the means?”
If it’s a win-win, why not?
“It sounds like you think the market model still has credence.”
Not at all. However, show me where the Government is offering better? And I’ll fully back it.
My goal here is to see struggling consumers better off.
The issue here isn’t so much about the supplier, rather than the fact HNZ opposes tenants installing solar power.
This is the major issue here, which thanks to Pat seems to have been overlooked.
I don’t think HNZ opposes solar panels, I think it is more of a case of not wanting the tenant to organise any changes to the electrical wiring without it’s consent, which it is entitled to do. Any landlord would do the same given the circumstances. I personally support solar panels on Housing NZ houses but this needs to be a move led by the corporation itself.
@ millsy
The disabled grandmother in the Hui’s coverage seeked consent from HNZ and was declined. The reason for which was not reported.
It wasn’t going to cost them (HNZ) a dime. But it would have added value to the property.
And as it will add value to a property with no cost to the landlord, most, I would assume would jump at the chance if offered.
While it may be within their right to decline, it doesn’t make it right.
Moreover, it’s counter productive to the rhetoric the Government has been spouting re warm dry homes. It’s hard to keep a home warm and dry when one can’t afford to turn the heating on.
You are not alone, lots of people I’ve spoken to about this also support the notion (solar panels on state homes). And it doesn’t have to be led by HNZ. The Government could also take the lead, directing HNZ to make it so.
But it seems the Greens and the Government overall have all gone rather silent on this since the Greens spoke up and took their bold stance last weekend.
From Jacques Windell, Rosemary.
Moreover, why would they fix in a low price when power prices tend to increase overtime?
Oh gawd, Kathryn Ryan’s painfully stupid.
Anyway.
Am I reading things right? 33c “anytime” doesn’t strike me as cheap (Superpower website)
What does a tenant do with a ten year contract given the precarious nature of rentals and penalties for breaking the contract?
What’s the scenario for a tenant who’s able to add panels (again) given the precarious nature of renting?
What if the review of lines company charges drops electricity charges significantly in the time between signing up and the end of the ten years, given that the customer’s “locked in” to Superpower and their rates?
I’m seeing “loss leader” and sniffing one of those “rent to own” HP deals companies used to make like bandits on.
edit – Supercharged Energy, not Superpower.
“What’s the scenario for a tenant who’s able to add panels (again) given the precarious nature of renting?”
Good question. This would be something a tenant and their landlord would require to discuss.
“What if the review of lines company charges drops electricity charges significantly in the time between signing up and the end of the ten years, given that the customer’s “locked in” to Superpower and their rates?”
From my understanding, the contract may be for 10 years, but the prices aren’t fixed.
“From my understanding, the contract may be for 10 years, but the prices aren’t fixed.”
Where did you find this info?
From my understanding, the contract may be for 10 years, but the prices aren’t fixed.
And that’s the point. If the review tumbles the price charged by the lines company, then the numbers being used by “Supercharged” may no longer stack up from a customers perspective. But they’ll be locked in to ten years during which “Supercharged” will be charging prices that make their “free offer” viable for themselves.
Put another way. Going with “Supercharged” may cost more for customers in the long run than would have been the case if they’d just stuck with what they’ve got.
“seems” is a wonderfully useful word….especially when you don’t bother to look or think too deeply….you may have noticed (or chosen not to perhaps) that their main area of core business is “high value commercial installations”…consequently the residential price competitiveness is hardly critical to their business.
But as they are also a power retailer, residential price competitiveness is critical to their business.
They won’t survive in the retailing game for 10 years if they don’t remain competitive, Pat.
Sorry, I thought your point was they would be stuck on a higher fixed price if prices fell.
But as you agree prices aren’t fixed, then you will know they can also fall if pricing structures change going forward.
As I explained to Pat above, as an active player in a competitive retail market, it is unlikely the retailer will increase prices excessively more than its competitors. As not all its consumers will be on a 10 year plan. Thus, to maintain and potentially grow their market share one would expect prices to remain competitive going forward. And there are outs provided if things go awry.
“As I explained to Pat above, as an active player in a competitive retail market, it is unlikely the retailer will increase prices excessively more than it’s competitors. As not all its consumers will be on a 10 year plan. Thus, to maintain and potentially grow their market share one would expect prices to remain competitive going forward. And there are outs provided if things go awry.”
a more blatant example of wishful thinking would be difficult to find….lol…as we know from experience business always operates with the interests of the consumer at heart.
Pat, remaining competitive, thus remaining in the game is the company looking after it’s own interest. It just happens to also provide a win for their customers.
As I’ve been telling you, this seems to be a win-win situation.
Thus, you screaming rort and blank cheques for private profit is a rather extremist red herring.
Retailers work on available margins. Supercharged Energy have already narrowed the one available to them by providing $3000 worth of panels, the cost of which needs to be recuperated.
If the wholesale price drops, their margin narrows or disappears altogether.
But they have “locked-in” customers to recuperate “losses” from.
Ergo, their customers may wind up paying more for electricity than if they’d waited for the reviews on the wholesalers to be completed.
why do you think (if you do) they are requiring a 10 year contract signed if the market dictates competitiveness?…they are contracting out of that competitive environment is the quite obvious answer hence your competition argument holds no water.
@ Bill
If the wholesale price drops, it gives them scope to restructure their pricing while maintaining margins. If wholesale prices drop, they pay less thus can afford to on-sell it for less while maintaining their margin.
Customers aren’t fully locked in. Hence if their prices increases excessively, customers will opt out. Resulting in no loss to the customer as they will sill have their starter package, however, the company can kiss goodbye to future returns. Thus, there is no commercial logic in doing so.
earned your commission this morning Chairman…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103158699/councillors-uneasy-about-solar-energy-company
I await the howls of protest in a couple of years time when those foolish enough to sign up realise theyre worse off…meanwhile keep up the sales pitch.
not painfully stupid….painfully polite
heh – I find her her to be a headache inducing whitterer of both the bleeding obvious and the utterly irrelevant.
@Pat
“Why do you think (if you do) they are requiring a 10 year contract signed if the market dictates competitiveness?”
Because that is how long it will take them to recoup their outlay in getting this up and running.
Thus, it’s about limiting their risk.
It’s not about contracting out of that competitive environment. These 10 year contracts are only a small part of their retail business, so being competitive is important to their survival in a competitive market.
Less pot shots, more thought required in your argument.
Next.
To me, Chairman you have let your cover slip again. You show belief in competition and the free market.
How surprising.
NZ used to be one of the low-cost countries for electricity. When I was in Europe around 1980, I yearned for the low-cost, good electricity service we had in NZ.
I came back, lived through the farce of Rogernomics and Bradford’s reforms, and all of a sudden NZ has one of the more expensive electricity services. Basically a staged competition which constitutes an oligarchy.
You have shown again that you are a right-winger pretending to be a leftie, Chairman.
@ In Vino
“To me, Chairman you have let your cover slip again. You show belief in competition and the free market”
I’m not the topic, Vino. Nevertheless, I don’t support totally free markets but competition can be effective .
I too have lived through Rogernomics and Bradford’s reforms and opposed them all the way.
I would love to see power provided as a public service. Unfortunately, this Labour lot aren’t going to do that. And of course this (the disabled grandmother story on the Hui) is an example of what we are left with, thus have to deal with.
We’ll be lucky if this Government allows solar power on state housing.
Look what’s in the pipeline
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/102708888/way-to-be-cleared-for-big-electricity-players-to-prey-on-lowincome-households
Ouch. Good post that time, Chairman. Sorry it took me so long to catch up, and probably nobody (not even you) will read this.
Will take into consideration for the future (after 15 May).
This may work for you, Rosemary. It’s the lead up story.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/04/power-to-the-people-king-country-residents-get-electricity-alternative.html
Honestly TC…I’d have thought both Mihi Forbes and Billie Jo Rohipa would have been more aware of the scrutiny such a pitch was going to attract, and done better with their narrative.
Plugging Renovation Guy’s set up as indicative of the potential for a two panel solar system to free a family from the tyranny of the lines company is disingenuous at best.
I am even less comfortable now I’ve actually eyeballed the two major protagonists.
There will be tears.
And embarrassment.
Would have been better for Council Guy with the facial hair obsession to have bailed up his central government colleague (in between supporting family in their animal abuse case) and guilt tripped the Current Incumbents into sorting out the lines company rort.
And heads up to the Lines Company… while they’re charging like wounded bulls…looks like its only the lichen holding their infrastructure together. Their kit could do with some tlc.
PS….carefully managed, Lady in Wheelchair could do better from the Winter Benefit Bonus thingy than she will save from those two solar panels. 😉 😉
“PS….carefully managed, Lady in Wheelchair could do better from the Winter Benefit Bonus thingy than she will save from those two solar panels”
No, she won’t. The winter energy payment won’t even cover one monthly bill. Whereas, the solar power starter package was calculated at saving her around a $100 a month.
So unless you can show there is something better on offer, surely you must see why she is keen to get on board?
But exactly how will this solar starter package save her $100 a month? Especially considering daylight hours during the winter. In Taumarunui, where the fog lifts at 10 and falls again at 4 there’s damn all solar gain.
“But exactly how will this solar starter package save her $100 a month?”
Because their current charges are so outrageous.
She will save money just by switching over to the new supplier, let alone from the solar package. They still work in the fog or rain.
The Chairman. I believe, sir, you are seriously misguided in your support of this particular scheme.
And the Green Party co-leader should also be more cautious about plugging solar as the panacea for cold damp houses and high power bills.
Just watching the program and the interview…I would install a decent high efficiency log burner with wet back linked, to a solar hot water system.
Hot water when the fire is on….and gobs of firewood in Taumaranui…able to cook on the fire and will heat the house. Solar hot water for the summer.
Replace the missing bulbs with energy efficient ones, hang decent curtains…I’m sure the community can pitch in and help.
And shame on that company with the really misleading website and dodgy sounding deal for exploiting this person.
Nothing is for free. What is supercharged energy “New Zealand’s Leading Solar Energy Provider getting out of this?
“The Chairman. I believe, sir, you are seriously misguided in your support of this particular scheme.”
I don’t believe so. While its not the preferred solution, it’s the best solution (for some) they have on offer.
“I would install a decent high efficiency log burner with wet back linked, to a solar hot water system”
Yes, but would HNZ allow a solar hot water system to be installed?
Going off them declining the solar starter package, it’s unlikely.
Moreover, who is offering to provide these free (a decent high efficiency log burner with wet back linked, to a solar hot water system)?
Many companies have so-called free offers that aren’t really free so I wouldn’t get so hung up about that.
People aren’t totally locked into the 10 year contract and it’s in their own interest to upgrade. And with savings up to a hundred dollars a month, it provides the fiscal scope to do so.
And as I told you before, the question here is will the consumer benefit nonetheless? In this instance, it seems so.
Will be interesting if the Greens will take the same approach to the Social Security Legislation Rewrite Bill. It’s had its second reading and is at the Committee of the Whole House.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-proposed-laws/document/00DBHOH_BILL68669_1/social-security-legislation-rewrite-bill
Very few changes were made. Sanctions are still there. Power for the executive to alter crucial aspects of the principal Act are still there. More of the same from Labour. Every time we think “maybe this time Labour will be different”, but no – when it comes to the poor they remain National’s most loyal supporters.
Sarah Wilson and others here predicted it, and now we have it. It’s official. Labour’s decided that it won’t be stopping its policy of shitting all over the poor any time soon:
https://thestandard.org.nz/writehanded-a-sea-change-or-just-more-weasel-words/#comment-1466919
“Will be interesting if the Greens will take the same approach to the Social Security Legislation Rewrite Bill.”
Indeed, Chris.
Now with Marama as co-leader we may see this bolder stance from the Greens more often. I certainly hope so.
Interestingly, there has been no howls from National over this as some here feared.
IMO Greens need to learn to pick their battles, their intentions are good but they just look foolish on this one. It’s not practical for tenants to install their own solar, the sums don’t add up and likely never will.
“It’s not practical for tenants to install their own solar, the sums don’t add up and likely never will.”
What sums are you talking about?
The $$ sums of course. A solar installation is a fixed structure, the tenant can’t take it with them without considerable de-installation costs.
Depending on how good a shopper you are the payback period for a moderate sized 3kW solar install is 7-13 years. How would that make sense for a renter?
Btw that ‘free’ solar installation would take over 20yrs to pay itself off, small installs of only a couple of panels are not very economic.
“Btw that ‘free’ solar installation would take over 20yrs to pay itself off, small installs of only a couple of panels are not very economic.”
The provider in this case will recoup their outlay in 10 years.
“A solar installation is a fixed structure, the tenant can’t take it with them without considerable de-installation costs.”
True, but they can prearrange suitable compensation from their landlord (perhaps in the form of rent reductions) before purchasing/committing. Making it more feasible.
This scheme has been set up so one will save money just by switching over.
And apparently modelling shows there will be further savings. Even the critic in Pat’s RNZ link concurred there would be savings, albeit minimal in her eyes.
How would there be savings? The supplier needs to recoup the cost of the solar installation, they’d typically do that by charging more for the power they supply. If they didn’t have $3k to recover they could offer power at a lower price, it’s a bit inane to claim people will save anything from it.
And why would a landlord want to buy a used solar installation from a departing tenant? What’s in it for them? Even if they did buy they’d want a sizeable risk premium (discount) which would largely negate the savings from solar. It’s just not worth it from a tenant’s POV, the sums don’t add up.
“… the sums don’t add up.”
I’d be interested in seeing the sums….all of them.
It’s much what I’ve said Rosemary. Solar panels make economic sense to a homeowner because they can be expected to last over 25 years. It’s a sizeable capital outlay which you recover over 7-12 years and then reap the benefits thereafter once they’re paid off.
That simply doesn’t make economic sense to the typical renter. They’ll never stay long enough to reap the benefits. It could make sense if they could take their panels with them when they move but the cost of de-install and re-install would make that uneconomic too.
“How would there be savings?”
Because their current prices are outrageous. Hence, this is a better deal. Have you not been following the story?
“And why would a landlord want to buy a used solar installation from a departing tenant?”
Because it adds value to the property, saving them or future tenants power costs. Thus, could be rented out for more. And if approached before one commits, it won’t be used, it will be new.
Whose current prices are outrageous? Look up powerswitch, their Northland prices are much the same as other suppliers.
Their site is confusing to say the least but these links interest;
https://superchargedenergy.co.nz/free-solar-northpower-small-home/
http://superchargedenergy.co.nz/signup-northpower-small-home-solar/
Note the difference in the price of the plans between the free solar and the existing solar. Call me an old cynic but that looks to me like they ramped up the price on the free plan…. needs an explanation anyway.
….and do those prices include GST?
It doesn’t say but probably, no mention of prompt payment dicsount either. I was mostly interested in the renting aspect of it so I haven’t followed the free solar story much, but the main thing is they appear to be offering two plans;
Plan 1 to homes with existing solar installations;
http://superchargedenergy.co.nz/signup-lines-small-home-solar/
Plan 2 to homes with a ‘free’ solar installation;
https://superchargedenergy.co.nz/free-solar-lines-small-home/
Note the prices;
Plan 1
15 cents Daily Charge
9 cents/kWh Anytime
10 cents/kWh Day
8 cents/kWh Night
Plan 2
15 cents Daily Charge
15 cents/kWh Anytime
16 cents/kWh Day
14 cents/kWh
Now I read that as them charging more on the free plan to cover the cost of the ‘free’ solar panels. No doubt Mr Chairman will find some way of disagreeing with that conclusion though 😉
Power charges in the region are outrageous, largely due to their lines charges.
The different pricing you highlighted is how the company recoups its costs. Nevertheless, they are still competitive.
I have been asking those who live, eat and breathe solar and …one pundit had already looked into this scheme and…
‘…the terms and conditions for the two “free” solar panels that you will never own installed after a qualifying period, the 120 month (10 years to me) exclusive contract and you may walk away.
Edit. Well those terms and conditions were on the front page a few weeks ago. I have a copy here. They now appear to be well hidden away somewhere.’
I don’t live & breathe it but I do have a site with an off-grid solar installation. I’ve also spent considerable time on the subject over the years, even imported panels & other equipment on occasion, so I have a fair idea on the economics of it. It’s mostly just maths, most of the variables are fixed and it’s largely a matter of doing the sums correctly.
It needs Govt intervention to get low income people into solar, IMO few can do it themselves. My experience is that any deals targeted at people without the cash have extra costs loaded on – higher price for the kit and high interest rates on the financing. That increases the payback period beyond what one could view as a reasonable investment. Add 20-30% to the overall cost and the payback period also stretches out another few years, makes it too marginal.
“I don’t live & breathe it but I do have a site with an off-grid solar installation…”
Partner and I spend about 70% of our lives living in our Bus with 300W solar on the roof. Our power usage is necessarily low, especially with our failing deep cycle batteries. We seldom plug into the mains. Upside is cheap living that allows us to save….new batteries hopefully imminent :-)…downside is a diesel heater that needs a minimum number of volts to ignite, and power assist wheels on my partner’s wheelchair, also with failing batteries which need extra volts to charge fully.
Even without having access to all the specs of the basic superchargedpenergy system…instinct tells me that the inputs are not going to sustain the power use….
Totally agree with government assistance for solar…but for water heating. Solar power schemes, from what I’ve read, can be very efficient using large arrays…
The dreaded batteries… the achilles heel of being off-grid. I’m using some big forklift cells I imported as a business eval, even they’re not enough and I fret over cloudy weeks.
The water heating makes sense, frankly I’d rather have seen that than the insulation subsidy if there was a choice between the two.
The biggest hit on alternate power has been all the compliance costs loaded on by meddling bureaucrats. As solar came down in price up went the installation costs.
the link you havnt listened to yet?….she also said 2 panels as good as useless and the lines charges are unimpacted…plus $5500 for a six panel upgrade….only a complete fool would sign a 10 year supply agreement without a fixed known rate…,its fine to be a fool for yourself Chairman, it becomes akin to fraudulent when advising others to do so.
I wasn’t advising anyone, Pat. So if anyone is being fraudulent here, it’s you.
I was highlighting why people are joining up.
Line charges will be impacted as they are going to be based on power drawn with different rates for different times of the day. So the critic in your RNZ link was incorrect.
I’ve fully listened to your link a while back.
“Only a complete fool would sign a 10 year supply agreement without a fixed known rate”
You make it sound as if those that have signed up or are willing too have a better option, they don’t. They are currently being hammered. So you fail to take into account the context of their situation.
Hence, while it may not be right for some, there is no foolishness in accepting a good deal if it’s right for you.
And they are not totally locked into the 10 year contract as you very well know.
Many people have and will enter into a long-term floating mortgage without knowing what the rate of interest will be going forward. Do you think they are foolish too?
I disagree.
While there is certainly an onus on Farmers to be forthright with all authorities concerning this outbreak; overstocking, water consumption, corporate welfare et al have NOTHING to do with your original topic (Greg, 1) namely, compensation for stock losses due to Mycoplasma bovis.
Farmers should definitely receive compensation while this disease is controllable. Without compensation you’ll start to see some of the sneakiness you are so concerned about and Farmers will take more risks with more to lose. With compensation they (we) stand a chance of beating this thing.
You have a lot to say about Farmers but it’s largely an incomprehensible jumble. Pick an area, do some research, you’ll find a smoking gun to be angry about, this is not it.
Your suggestion Farmers should suffer because they voted National is kind of despicable. There’s plenty of good reasons they might be hoist by their own petard, voting in a democratic system is not even on the list.
DB, would you say that farmers’ “reluctance” to comply with the NAIT requirements has been a significant issue in controlling its spread? Had farmers, and the National Government made the animal tracing system fully operational, Mycoplasma bovis would not have spread to the extent it has, yes?
They’ve “shot themselves in the foot”, haven’t they?
Robert.
Yes there is an aspect of stupidity (shot themselves) involved. This is not a Farmer thing in general though, it is an individual thing, where a small percentage, through selfishness/fear, have let the whole mob down. Also, a deep distrust in Government (I get it) is predominant here in this website, one might suppose some Farmers have similar issues too.
Historically we’ve seen similar. Farmers distrust in science/advice, taking matters into their own hands: It only took one or two landholders to ruin the control of rabbits by releasing a virus before we were ready to release it widely. Thus allowing rabbits to breed resistance.
My point is that it was not all farmers who did that. It was one or two.
Everyone wants a scalp, someone to be outraged at. We used to burn women (witches) for bacterial pathogens (plague, famine, disease). Should we burn the Farmers with the cows?
As for the (previous) Govt: Have they ever seen us as anything more than producers of bulk goods and cash money to sidetrack to corporate pals? The infected meat is, after all, saleable. Inaction was their MO.
The non-farming public don’t “want a scalp”, DB Brown, nor do they want someone to “be outraged at” – they/we are not fired up over M.bovis, farmers are. A “few” farmers caused the out break, but many farmers; those who failed to NAIT-up, created the opportunity for its rapid and untraceable spread. It seems the result of “agriculture-think” and that’s what non-farmers are shaking their heads at and asking, “why should we have to pay?”
I can cede those points. The original poster was out to lynch farmers which is a bit of a theme of late… I should have read further on the issue before commenting further, my bad. It’ll be hard for the buggers right now facing the loss of stock, no-one willingly went there.
It is unfortunate a lack of compliance was widespread, I doubt Farmers could’ve stopped it once it was detected though. It may be easy for some to imagine Farmers understand the implications of microbial pathology and epidemiology, but I doubt the majority do.
Why do non-farmers have to pay? I think as it’s one of those things where doing nothing is not a proper option; and it requires a significant coordinated response. NZ is NZ, not Farmer NZ and Townie NZ, just the one country. Here’s hoping we can kill it off, that’d be awesome. There may be a question of Farmer subsidies to be debated, for now it clouds the issue needing a response.
We beat the gypsy moth. Mad cows come and go… But we’ve seemingly just wrung our hands over Myrtle rust and Kauri dieback. Actually having a plan for Mycoplasma is excellent, non-compliance could have been factored in.
I appreciate your fair reply, DB Brown. It seems the M.bovis horse has bolted and is background now; the lesson? These things will happen. I think “agri-thinks” is wrong and shouldn’t be supported by the general public, but it is and the future looks like the present. There’s a better way, but we are not yet of a mind to hear it.
For a disease like this to spread it’s not one or two farmers DB Brown, it’s many, many more. I think you’re deluding yourself if you think it’s only one or two. The spread was too wide, and too quick.
My response to this is that the government needs to set up a commission of enquiry. An independant body to look into how this spread as it did, and the possibility of criminal charges being laid against those who spread it.
I don’t think checks should be written just yet, with the possibility of one of those checks going to a criminal.
I said it, it was criminal what the spreaders did.
Damien O’Connor said yesterday morning on The Nation that non-compliance with NAIT was 70%.
It could be “one or two” farmers.
How centralised are stock markets? What size of area do they generally cover?
Whatever, there are too many offenders.
Why dont farmers pay annual levies into a farm to insure against stuff? Lots of people get harm by the metaphoric jumping of fences. As a lawyer I had to pay annual fees to enable people to be compensated by rogue lawyers. I never transgressed but still had to pay.
Indeed, Tracey, insurance against “agricultural misadventure” but whose going to offer that? Agriculture is misadventure.
the farmers should go bankrupt there in a business its there risk not the tax payer
It is curious that the farming industry changed their tune so quickly (around eradicating Mycoplasma bovis) when the Government told them how much they expected farmers to pay for the work. A very rapid about-face and suddenly there was no pressing need to eradicate – perhaps we can live with it, they said.
The really disturbing aspect of the whole situation is the extensive slaughter of animals and their consigning to “dead holes” and public refuse sites – mass killings and mass burials across the country! I wonder about the effects on groundwater and rivers and I wonder about…rats.
Yea traumatic for all.
Very traumatic for the innocent cows.
I don’t feel at all sorry for farmers who break the rules.
Denise L’Estrange-Corbet
70% of dairy Farmers.
Businesses that don’t play by the rules deserve to go out of business.
The meat is edible .As far as I know they are being processed in the works and sold .
You’d think, bwaghorn but the Feds website and Stuff say differently:
Thousands of diseased calves taken to works and dumped in landfill …
https://www.stuff.co.nz/…/thousands-of-diseased-calves-taken-to-works-and-dumped-in-…
2 days ago – Nathan Guy says some of the calves that went to the dump could have … In addition, a further 1270 animals were killed on farms and taken to …
As I wrote that I wondered if calves might be getting dumped shame they don’t go to pet food
There is a simple solution…..
it’s estimated that around 70% of farmers were responsible.
Why were they allowed to behave like this for so long?
nathan guy you don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticising the current government on said issue.
Why the lack of action, so many blind eyes, so much damage now.
Would ANY insurance company compensate said farmers for such practices? I highly doubt it.
Am so glad we now have a Minister that will bend over backwards to fix and solve this horrendous blight on the farming sector.
Excuse my ignorance Cinny. 70% of Farmers responsible – please show me where this info comes from.
70% non-compliance with NAIT according to Damien O’Connor on The Nation yesterday. Anyone else think Damien is showing the strain of it all?
DB Brown, what Matiri below said 🙂
70% non-compliance with NAIT according to Damien O’Connor
Matiri, imagine… welcome to post nathan guy incompetence…. far out, big job.
Duplex is fascinating.
HAPPY MOTHERS DAY to all the people raising children, because some Dads are Mums too 🙂
Ironic, as I was just about to post this…
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/2018643497/insight-fathers-who-stay-at-home
Rare puff piece from Natrad as deep and meaningful discussion is had about dads choosing to be ‘stay at homes’.
The key word there is “choosing”.
Maybe their are some families in NZ who have the choice…but for most there has been no option…both parents have to work.
Good vibes Rosemary 🙂 🙂 🙂
Looking forward to having a listen to the link, thanks so much for posting.
Ironic as the previous programme discussed the Child Poverty Reduction Bill select committee submissions.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/the-house/audio/2018644390/the-far-reaching-tentacles-of-child-poverty
“Other submitters had a more grassroots approach.
“We, as a school, provide food parcels. said Principal of Holy Family School Chris Theobald.
“We start off the morning at 7:30am with breakfast and finish three days a week at 5 o’clock in the evening for our students.”
He said the extended hours aren’t because the students’ parents are drug users or alcoholics.
“We have little to no examples of that in our community. Our community isn’t under-employed they’re over-employed,” he said.
“Our community are working two or three jobs and that’s why we had to extend our hours to cater for the varied circumstances that don’t make up a typical nine to five working day for our families.”
Mr Theobald told the committee the school also advocates for families who are in tough situations because the students can’t learn until their standard of living improves.
“We have examples of families that haven’t had an oven for over 12 months and they’ve been using a BBQ because if they complain to their landlord then their rent will go up.” “
Another good link, cheers 🙂 I really enjoyed the dads raising kids audio doco you posted, it was great.
And Grandmas and Grandads too who are raising children. We salute you.
Richie Allen on the novichook saga lol
The moment any party gets into power can we really trust them to put into action what they committed to make a better NZ ?
If our PM is not concerned… REALLY. We are fast seeing the current PM looking and behaving like the previous voted in PM.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/05/govt-hikes-cost-of-one-bedroom-kiwibuild-homes.html
How about this …..
“Onerous rules and requirements have made land more expensive and building on that land more expensive….But I want to assure our young people that they needn’t despair. A National Government will actively preserve and promote the home-ownership aspirations of everyday New Zealanders. We are a party founded on the principle of home ownership and we intend to deliver on that principle.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10455931
Pity no one really cares in keeping our govts. honest, and IMO they don’t care about being caught out, that is why we have so many spin drs. for. 🙁
Some statistics from World War 2
For every American soldier who died in WW2 80 Russians were killed.
9 out of 10 of Nazi soldiers that died, was wounded or taken prisoner was taken prisoner by the Red Army or died or was wounded on the Eastern Front.
Which country paid the bigger price for our freedom from fascism?
The Americans, the British and ourselves fought a different sort of war to the Russians.
It was much more of a naval and air battle than the eastern front. That is, more machines, but less people. That means less causalities. But the strategic effect of the eastern war and the western war were broadly comparable in ensuring the ultimate defeat of Germany.
By 1945 the German Navy had virtually ceased to exist. Nazi Germany was under a complete naval blockade. The strategic air campaign devastated German industry, rail networks and the cities. Again by 1945 industrial production had dropped dramatically. All of this helps explain why it took 10 months from D day to the surrender.
The Russians did suffer dramatically. Some of that was due to the methods used by the Soviet Army. Stalin and the Russian Army would launch attacks leading to much higher casualties than would ever be tolerated in a western army.
To get a measure of the different ways of fighting think of the New Zealand casualty rate in the two world wars. Basically twice as many killed in WW1 as in WW2, even though we had more people serving in WW2 than in WW1. New Zealand commanders in WW2 were not permitted to run operations that would have WW1 scale casualties. That was also true of the British Army.
The eastern front (meaning the land war) was larger than the western front. Probably the best measure is that the Germans had twice as many land forces on the eastern front as on the western front. But the great majority of the Luftwaffe faced west.
And the defeat of Japan was almost entirely a western effort, mostly American.
We seem to have forgotten how much we owe our Russian friends.
It is clear you have.
Ask survivors of Buckenwald who were raped by Russian soldiers as they tried to walk home
+1111111
So all Russians are bad?
Does this war crime negate the sacrifice of 25 million Russians who died defending their nation against the fascist horde?
By the Standard you use, we should not appreciate the British effort either as we could ask the people of Dresden about the British bombers who levelled their city in a firestorm.
It’s not straightforward.
Russian entered what became WW2 as a German ally against its western neighbours.
When Germany turned on them, the allies cooked up a deal to keep them in the war to erode German forces.
The Russians received enormous quantities of materiale to stay in the war. The maintenance of the resistance in France was a similar allied initiative.
Russian losses were horrific for several reasons. They lost a lot of experienced commanders to political shenanigans. A lot of forces were given mandatory counterattack orders irrespective of their situation. Russian staffing was very much based on a conscript armies model. Russian (under Stalin) greed for territory as the Germans retreated was significant. And, immediately postwar a lot of veterans were done away with for being ‘politically unreliable’.
So, is it true to say “25 million Russians who died defending their nation”? A less profligate use of Russian soldiers was entirely possible – they were sent into the fire as callously as our soldiers were at Paschendale.
Not sure ed where you are coming from Ed , in know way did Wayne denigrate Russia efforts he put up a reasoned arguement explaining casualty rate differences beteeen Russia and the allies, your response was petulant st best, playing the man and not the ball
Get your history right, Wayne. 80% of Hitler’s war effort went into the East, largely absorbed by Russia. I think you will also find that the Luftwaffe lost more heavily in the East than the West as well. We hear all about the wonderful Spitfire and the Mustang, but we never hear about the equally good fighters that Russia produced to eventually overcome the German fighters. Hitler’s policy (of concentrating on producing a lot of the fighters they had rather than improving them but producing fewer) did not pay off.
We in the West absorbed and conquered only 20% of Germany’s war effort, and despite a good start in a bit of a power vacuum, Japan never had Germany’s industrial strength, nor the ability to produce a nuclear weapon as Germany had. I suggest you check out when Germany actually achieved its peak industrial output for WW2. You will be rather surprised: Hitler was late to put German industry onto full war production, and the mass bombing campaigns were nowhere near as successful as its proponents hoped it would be. It was largely a campaign of terror against civilians
Your woeful knowledge of World War 2 history is apparent.
Ed
I think you should explain who you are talking to – you appear to have someone in mind. It would be good if you just allowed some people to make some errors and not correct and call out everything. Choose your targets.
Darn right Ed …. and the overwhelming bulk of the German army fighting the russians made D day possible …. and saved thousands upon thousands of common-wealth / u.s.a soldiers lives.
While the Russian army was engaged in a death struggle with the Nazi Army …. The British and yanks were bombing German cities .. perfecting the weapon of terror against civilians … Fire-storms.
The russians killed a higher percentage of german troops / armed services .
The British / yanks killed more Civilians …. and probably killed more German civilians than soldiers.
‘Victims of sexual assault waiting more than a year for counselling.
Sex attack victims are waiting more than a year for counselling, as stretched services struggle to cope with demand.
One university student says it’s been 13 months since she was sexually assaulted – and still, ACC and its counselling agencies haven’t been able to help.
The long wait for help has been punishing. She has searched around providers, looking for someone to talk to – but all of the Auckland City sexual assault counsellors are too busy, she says.’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/103850454/victims-of-sexual-assault-waiting-more-than-a-year-for-counselling
Neoliberal New Zealand.
A poster boy for plutocrats.
A basket case for its citizens.
A housing system that profits the rich, rather than providing secure homes for the workers.
‘Homeless man living in south Auckland hotel costing $2000 a week for tax payers
A homeless man who was living on the streets while struggling to recover from heart surgery is now staying in a $2000-a-week south Auckland hotel room paid for by the taxpayer while waiting to move into social housing.
His sorry story of sleeping rough, having his heart medication stolen and struggling to get a roof over his head highlights the “lack of adequate state housing in New Zealand” said Auckland Action Against Poverty co-ordinator Ricardo Menendez.
Experts have predicted Auckland’s homeless crisis is set to spike to worse levels this winter than any previous year.’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/manukau-courier/103827391/homeless-man-living-in-south-auckland-hotel-costing-2000-a-week-for-tax-payers
Neoliberal New Zealand.
A poster boy for plutocrats.
A basket case for its citizens.
“The Banality of Haspel”
Common Dreams, May 09, 2018
Capitalism at its finest:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/103851273/jonathan-milne-nz-will-not-be-bullied-by-trump-and-his-big-pharma-donors
And another warning to be extremely wary of the CPTPP and opening the front door (and roll
overout the red carpet) to let in Trump/USA.https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/103850274/president-donald-trump-wants-to-build-a-drug-cartel–and-wants-nz-to-pay-for-it
Greater numbers of lobbyists who spend more money buying politicians than any other industy…
Pharmaceutical industry…
Well said.
Ed, have you read ‘Deconstruction Syria’ by Chris Kanthan
It’s an ebook, costs about $3.00. It covers alot that we already know, but quite a bit also that I wasn’t aware of.
Edit. wrong author
No I haven’t.
Thank you for informing me.
I would also strongly recommend
The Impossible Revolution
Making Sense of the Syrian Tragedy
By: Yassin al-Haj Saleh
I have not read this book but I had heard of it.
I have just looked up the reviews, and they mostly agree with my own lived experience of Syria and the Arab Spring.
The reason I have highlighted Amy Goodman and Democracy Now, is because Democracy Now is one of the few Leftist News Sites that has not succumbed to, or been overwhelmed by, the Tsunami of pro-fascist propaganda spewing out of sources as varied as Fox News and RT, and jumped on by every tinpot ignorant facebook instant expert and conspiracy theorist. These ignorant instant experts are aided in their delusions by thousands of Russian bots, further fueled by a latent but inherently racist liberal Islamophobia. Assad can’t be a fascist mass murderer, he is secular like us, he wears such beautifully tailored Western business suits, or occasionally a nice crisp Western style military uniform, with dark Raybans. Nothing like those horrid street Arabs, in their messy Keffiyehs.
Yassin al-Haj Saleh
” In 2012 he was granted the Prince Claus Award as “a tribute to the Syrian people and the Syrian revolution”. He was not able to collect the award, as he was living in hiding in the underground in Damascus.”
Now isn’t that telling. Who do we know inhabited the underground bunkers in Damascus. You know, where all the weapons factories were?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nJsvCoIkk
I wonder how much digging the ‘rebels’ forced him to do.
Intellectual and activist my arse; he is a terrorist.
And a liar.
I wont post links to his traitorous lies
Yup it’s super messed up, Ben-Gurion was near on obsessed with weapons, especially nuclear, setting the tone well and truly,
It’s rumoured Israel has the third largest nuclear arsenal on the planet….. but hey let’s not talk about that…. bibi’s whipping out a power point presentation on Iran, that’s much more interesting lololoooloooolzzz
The whole situation does my freakin head in. Good link, Jill Stein, excellent.
Why is it that when we are told something hard and tangible that it then at a later date words change their meaning !!!
Kiwibuild great concept BUT how the govt is destroying it by removing confidence that they have the skills and policies to implement this.
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/88240/labours-immigration-policy-targets-kiwibuild-workers-and-apprentice-boost-aims-cut-20000
Construction firms will be exempt from applying the existing labour market test to bring in up to 1,500 foreign tradespeople at any one time if employers promise to take on a local apprentice for every migrant under a new ‘KiwiBuild Visa’ proposed by Labour.
Now we are told only yesterday that “we expect them to take on apprentices” (11:30 into the clip. Lisa Owen followed up to clarify this and the minister confirmed “we expect, hopefully”
For ….. sake !!!! How the tone is being diluted.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/04/construction-minister-jenny-salesa-confident-kiwibuild-targets-will-be-met.html
Just as well not many follow politics in NZ and this program is not heavily watched. Crap like this goes unnoticed. (I note the same was the case for the preceding 9 years)
Worth a post tomorrow.
“There has been a huge growth in inequality, with the gap between rich and poor wider than at any time since World War Two.
Auckland is booming – just not for everyone. An official report obtained as part of a joint Stuff/Newshub investigation reveals the yawning gaps in a prosperity index across different parts of the city. In part one of a three-part report, Carmen Parahi and Simon Shepherd examine the five areas of Auckland with the lowest social deprivation scores.”
https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/05/a-tale-of-two-cities/
Why has neoliberal msm owned by capitalist apologist even considered such a story Ed
Definitely should have its own post – has been continuously swept under various rugs too long.
Grrr…..
“I have got to say in the last 10 years it has got worse, I have never seen the disparity as bad as it is,” says Fuli.
We are not getting the same benefits that Auckland is getting from this rockstar economy that we have heard about.
LOTU FULI
She says they’ve seen more homeless and increased unemployment in the area, especially after the Fisher & Paykel appliances factory closed in 2016. The proportion of 15-64 year olds without work in her area is 10.1 per cent, nearly twice the Auckland average. Across New Zealand the rate is 4.5 per cent, the lowest in nine years.
“It was frustrating to say to people, ‘hey we need help, we need more money here’ when the story being put out everywhere else was we’ve got this amazing growth, we have this great economy, everything’s booming you should be okay and it’s your fault if you are not.”
The only thing worse than the Democracts losing the 2016 US presidential election, would be losing it twice. And this time to Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/no-one-has-a-leg-up-in-wide-open-2020-presidential-field-democrats-jockey-to-define-their-party–and-gain-an-advantage/2018/05/12/42ba34f2-5547-11e8-9c91-7dab596e8252_story.html?utm_term=.db06e4dce941
With the Democrat contender field wide open, including Sanders, Warren, Biden, Booker, Bloomberg, Schultz, and more in the mix, the Democractic Party trajectory in both policy mix and leadership is more wide open than it’s been since Carter. Which is a wee way back.
Trump’s polling is rising, all the economic fundamentals that get echoed through the media are very strong, oil is rising, and it looks like his international positioning for the US is playing pretty well domestically.
I’d like the US to mean less, but nope, it still looms huge.
Dems will take a miracle to get the Senate back, and something even more miraculous to get both Senate and White House back.
Time to start praying for miracles, two years out.
Good morning The Am Show Its a shame Derek and Melissa are having a hard time with the immigration department you look like good people its a shame but that’s bureaucrats for you I wish you all the best.
I will be going to Tamaki Makaurau I will be representing my employers who have a minor problem with the Auckland Council I am sure if they treat me and my employers fairly that we will come to a positive solution to this issue.
Many thanks to NewsHub for showing the inequality in living standard in Tamaki Makaurau Ka pai E hoa .
Duncan that was a good yarn you handled that well. Mark Matt Watson looks exactly like one of my good bosses lol. You do look like Paul Newman .
Ka kite ano
Good evening Newshub that is a crying shame all those shell fish in Auckland are dead because people don’t consider how venerable our wildlife is to sudden changes to there environment those property developers need to clean there act up another mess from you know who.
Inequality’s rapid rise in New Zealand is the direct result of nationals policy’s plan and simple a plan to suppress Maori .
Wish you all the best Penny Bright Mana Wahine .
With the Rainbow community Eco Maori has met a few they are good humans my view is we are all human beings and we all deserve to be treated with respect no matter what the culture race or sex Ka pai
It was a good weekend of sports Kia kaha .Ka kite ano
The Crowd goes Wild the sandflys have the Waiapu coming out there eyes tonight Ka kite ano PS I’m a bit late tonight off to Auckland to nite